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Jewelry Crafting: Get ready for the worst grind in ESO's history

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Most players who regularly participate in the PTS or otherwise follow the PTS closely already know what will be in store for them when the Summerset update introduces jewelry crafting, but I suspect that most of the player base are not yet aware of some of the details of the system.

Specifically, the amount of materials needed to upgrade jewelry quality is 10x more than what is needed for the other crafts.

Similar to the other crafts, it takes 2 green plates, 3 blue plates, 4 purple plates, and 8 golden plates to upgrade jewelry if you have maxed the improvement passives. The problem is that whereas you acquire full pieces of upgrade materials for the other crafts, the upgrade materials for jewelry come in the form of grains, which represent 1/10th of a plate. And, most crucially, based on testing that people have done on the PTS, these grains drop at the same rate as the full upgrade materials of the other crafts.

For example, when you deconstruct a purple-quality staff with maxed deconstruction passives, you have a 50% chance of getting a single Mastic from the deconstruction. When you deconstruct a purple-quality ring with the necessary deconstruction passives, you have the same 50% chance of getting a single grain of a purple jewelry upgrade material. Each time you refine raw wood, you have a 7.5% chance to acquire a single Mastic--a full purple upgrade mat. Each time you refine raw jewelry mats, you have the same 7.5% chance to acquire a single grain of a purple jewelry upgrade material.

Effectively, the amount of materials needed to upgrade is 10x more than that of the other crafts, since the upgrade materials are acquired as 1/10th grains from all sources (refinement, deconstruction, and writ rewards; there are no hirelings), at rates that are apparently identical to that of full upgrade mats of other crafts.

What does this mean? It means that to craft a single purple-quality Julianos ring, you will need 20 green grains, 30 blue grains, and 40 purple grains. Purple mats--grains for jewelry and full upgrade mats for the other crafts--drop at a 7.5% rate per refinement. To acquire 40 grains, you will need to refine 533 times; you will need to acquire and refine approximately 5300 raw jewelry mats just to craft a single purple ring.

Let's say purple is too rich for your blood. You just want to craft a simple blue-quality Julianos ring. That's 30 blue grains, which, at a drop rate of 12.5% per refinement, is 240 refinements. You need to acquire and refine 2400 raw jewelry mats to craft a single blue Julianos ring.

What if you're leveling a character, and instead of wearing random dropped jewelry as you do now, you want to craft a matching set of jewelry? Since it's just a character that's being leveled, you're not too picky and will be happy with simple green quality. 20 grains at a 15% drop rate means 133 refinements. You need to acquire and refine 6-7 stacks of raw jewelry mats just to upgrade a single ring to green quality.

Still excited about jewelry crafting?

I have friends who were excited about all the golden jewelry from vet trials that they can decon for mats next patch. Similar to other crafts, with maxed passives, you have only a 50% chance of getting an upgrade mat from decon. Except here, it's just a grain. To acquire the 80 grains needed to upgrade a single purple ring to gold, you'll need an average of 160 gold rings to decon. Think about that for a moment. You need to decon 160 golden jewelry pieces... to upgrade a single jewelry piece. That's 80 runs of vAA HM to get the mats for golding one jewelry piece via decon. I don't know about you, but I'll probably go crazy before the 20th run.

Or, if you're crazy enough to seek golden quality through refinement, you're looking at 1600 refinements: 16K, or 80 full stacks, of raw jewelry mats. For a single jewelry piece.

Oh, and did I mention that there are no hirelings? I did, but let's reiterate that.

How's that excitement for jewelry crafting now?

There is an easy solution, though: increase the drop rate of grains. They currently drop at the same rate as full upgrade mats of other crafts. (50% per decon, 15% green per refinement, 12.5% blue per refinement, 7.5% purple per refinement, and 5% gold per refinement.) If, for example, deconstruction always guaranteed at least 1 grain, with the chance of sometimes getting multiple grains, the drop rate would still be substantially lower than that of the other crafts, but not quite as insane as it currently is on the PTS. As it stands, jewelry crafting isn't fun. It isn't accessible. And I don't see myself seriously using it any time this year.

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  • Colecovision
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    After deconing enough to level, getting the needed trait research and getting all passives, will I be able to turn 50 purple junk rings into 1 purple hundings? Assuming rng is average of course.
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  • Wrecking_Blow_Spam
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    Will not be worse than the old VMA weapon grind back when there was no transmutation..

    And nearly all weapons were BiS in one way or another.
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  • Stinkyremy
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    code65536 wrote: »
    Stinkyremy wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    For example, when you deconstruct a purple-quality staff with maxed deconstruction passives, you have a 50% chance of getting a single Mastic from the deconstruction. When you deconstruct a purple-quality ring with the necessary deconstruction passives, you have the same 50% chance of getting a single grain of a purple jewelry upgrade material.

    Well this seems fine tbh.
    While yeah it will take a while, it doesn't straight away lessen the value of the golden and people making money from AP selling the jewellery. It doesn't lessen the reward and prestige of getting Vmol or vhof jewellery (for a while) so that every 200cp has full gold moondancer or war machine set...
    On top of that the 1000s of pitch, turpen and 800+ mastic I have from just deconning and refining for a year jewellery mats will be 1/10th of that in a year. Seeing that making gold jewellery for myself and others will be very infrequent as you will only want to use the mats for guaranteed builds using non farmable gold jewellery it seems spot on.
    Something to really work towards for a crafter, something to encourage people to work towards at all levels, and finally allow anyone to have the fully best build that they desire.

    My only gripes are that the nodes are rare and will be farmed so hard that the mats will be worth a small fortune, meaning we all have to farm for them, and they will be over farmed. A vicious cycle that will allow monopolies by hardcore farmers and the gold hoarders and scammers, driving the price up further.

    While I agree that the other crafts are indeed too easy to upgrade, I am also quite convinced that their correction with jewelry crafting has swung the pendulum too far in the opposite direction. I do not think it would be appropriate for jewelry upgrade materials to be as easily accessible as the others. But there has to be a more balanced middle ground than this.

    I agree with you, it is a bit too far, but if you can see what I am saying I have like 800+ mastic from deconning wood weps/shields and refining for just over a year. Now on average I get 1 maybe 2 wood weps from dungeons, and on average 3-4 jewellery, so I will be deconning more jewellery than wood weps as well as the easy as dolmen grinding for guaranteed jewellery.
    Other than refining amount, because of the scarcity of the nodes, and over farming, the amounts will more and less even itself out within a year.
    Decon everything, refine and farm hard, like you would have done when first reaching 160, or max VR.
    As i said, nobody is gonna want "level 10 purple training jewellery" like they do with gear and weapons. It will be rare to even craft jewellery for anyone as the mats will be so expensive and scarce that they will only ever need it for guarenteed builds, same with upgrading. Any set you can get purple jewellery for yourself anyway. it's really the purple-gold that is the big issue.
  • Stinkyremy
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    code65536 wrote: »
    ninibini wrote: »
    Also thinking about the master writs. One of the samples I got on PTS was to craft and epic ring for 9 vouchers. Given the rarity of the upgrade mats, this should be worth at least 10x the vouchers. So, no thank you.

    Indeed. Writs like the following make the Roe and Hakeijo writs look extremely generous:
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    Hey what is the deal with writs for jewellery on PTS, not master writs, just writs.
    What do they ask for, and how much mats does it take?
    Also can we decon the general trash white jewellery we get for mats?
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    Concur about the grind; it's kind of funny that they go through the trouble of making the Chapter accessible to new players and then put the LEAST accessible crafting in the same package. I'm seriously considering just grinding dolmens for deconnable rings, and then selling those off to people who want to use the new system; I suspect it will be less frustration for all involved than farming the materials.
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    looking forward to it.
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  • starkerealm
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    Oh, wow... a more extreme grind than collecting vouchers. Or completing Militant Order and Akaviri. Or collecting Nirncrux to complete 9 trait research. Or getting Master Angler. More extreme than getting the three Sewer polymorphs.

    The most extreme ever, because collecting all 14 pages of Buoyant Armiger can be comfortably done in a weekend.

    :|

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  • starkerealm
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    Will not be worse than the old VMA weapon grind back when there was no transmutation..

    And nearly all weapons were BiS in one way or another.

    Don't forget, back when weapons weren't even a 100% drop rate. (Or am I thinking of Master weapons?)
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  • Sheezabeast
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    I'm worried about how fast it levels and how my master crafter is going to have to scrimp her skill points to have enough to fill all the passives....and the grind sounds frustrating...but its a completionist thing with me, I gotta learn it :/
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  • VaranisArano
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    Stinkyremy wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    ninibini wrote: »
    Also thinking about the master writs. One of the samples I got on PTS was to craft and epic ring for 9 vouchers. Given the rarity of the upgrade mats, this should be worth at least 10x the vouchers. So, no thank you.

    Indeed. Writs like the following make the Roe and Hakeijo writs look extremely generous:
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    Also can we decon the general trash white jewellery we get for mats?

    Yes, you can. Its possible to level Jewelry crafting entirely from the white platinum rings now bought in the Mages Guild. I got the platinum ounces and the appropriate style mats from doing so.

    I don't recommend it personally. Testing it on the PTS, it took 400ish pieces at 1,387 gold ea to get me to level 18 jewelry crafting and it was slow going.
    Edited by VaranisArano on May 5, 2018 7:48PM
  • Stinkyremy
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    Stinkyremy wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    ninibini wrote: »
    Also thinking about the master writs. One of the samples I got on PTS was to craft and epic ring for 9 vouchers. Given the rarity of the upgrade mats, this should be worth at least 10x the vouchers. So, no thank you.

    Indeed. Writs like the following make the Roe and Hakeijo writs look extremely generous:
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    Also can we decon the general trash white jewellery we get for mats?

    Yes, you can. Its possible to level Jewelry crafting entirely from the white platinum rings now bought in the Mages Guild. I got the platinum ounces and the appropriate style mats from doing so.

    I don't recommend it personally. Testing it on the PTS, it took 400ish pieces at 1,387 gold ea to get me to level 18 jewelry crafting and it was slow going.

    No but we get so much trash jewellery just from general chests and questing or dungeon running, getting these low level mats shouldn't take that long really, if you decon everything you find and after getting to 50 with all passives.
    You get like 3 or 4 (ornate) jewellery from mages and fighters guild dailies...
  • smacx250
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    On the other hand, if you don't want to grind it out, you'll get all those mats just from "normal" farming and by deconning junk jewelry instead of vendoring it (new traits aside). This is unlike some of those other things where you must only do that one thing to grind out what you are looking for. Especially since pretty much all players, even those without Summerset, will be getting those mats as part of their normal play. Prices will be high, so there will be incentive to sell. I know this doesn't matter to some, but to others it's really a completely different thing than some of those other grinds. I'm willing to see how it plays out on live before I rip it to shreds.
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    Stinkyremy wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    ninibini wrote: »
    Also thinking about the master writs. One of the samples I got on PTS was to craft and epic ring for 9 vouchers. Given the rarity of the upgrade mats, this should be worth at least 10x the vouchers. So, no thank you.

    Indeed. Writs like the following make the Roe and Hakeijo writs look extremely generous:
    unknown.png

    Hey what is the deal with writs for jewellery on PTS, not master writs, just writs.
    What do they ask for, and how much mats does it take?
    Also can we decon the general trash white jewellery we get for mats?

    Yes, the regular non-master writs do seem reasonably accessible, and are probably worth doing as a source of other jewelry mats. They don't require any color upgrades, which is where the biggest grind will be (even upgrading to green will be an undertaking under the system as it currently exists on the PTS).
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  • BuddyAces
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    Mannox wrote: »
    What the *** is going on at ZOS? They are going hardcore Korean F2P on us. More gated content. WAY more grind. Less content in DLCs. More gambling and hot sales. Jesus Christ the list goes on! They're ruining their own damned game. I stopped playing for now myself. Refunded the Summerset chapter too. This is such pure *** in my opinion. If they want an empty Tamriel spattered with whales and B2Ps then be my guest.

    It's sad when the appearance they give is of that. Take my agree.
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  • Tandor
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    Do we know how far people have progressed in Jewelry Crafting on the PTS? That will surely give some sort of an answer to how severe the leveling process is, given that Summerset has only been on the PTS for what, three weeks?
    Edited by Tandor on May 5, 2018 8:48PM
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