Pyandonean (Maormer) Motif!

driosketch

Carbonised wrote: »

Smaxx wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Motifs you can get in game are often sold for 5,000 crowns. Exclusive motifs are sold for around 2,200 crowns. The Oct one also has so many mimic stones it rivals the big stone pack for value.

Were they at 2,200? Okay, then my whole idea is obsolete. :P

xbobx wrote: »

"So what if every Crown Crate is guaranteed to include one Pyandonean motif chapter you do not own yet?"

Were you on drugs when you wrote that?

No? Why exactly?

Because you clearly have no idea about the topic you are talking about.

Prior Crown Store exclusives have not cost anytwhere near 5k crowns. They also came with mimic stones.

You are not guaranteed a drop from the crates, and the idea that you somehow cannot get duplicates and will instead get a motif piece you don't already know is just your wishful thinking, it's pulled out of thin air.

Why do you want to defend something when you don't even have the slightest idea how this works?

No need to beat them up for playing a little Devil's Advocate. With new info, no guarantee of drop and the past cost they have acknowledge the idea is bunk themselves.

Smaxx

To quote myself:

Smaxx wrote: »

First obligatory my opinion in general:

I will not buy any single gift for friends, guild mates, or anyone else, if we're indeed now getting crafting/outfit motifs exclusive to the randomness of the Crown Crate system. Add all the costumes, emotes, mounts, etc. you want, but adding single motif chapters is asking too much (and also diluting the system even more). Just felt like this is important to add, since for me this greatly diminishes the attractiveness of the new gifting system. I couldn't resist any Crown Store exclusive styles so far, but that's asking for too much now.

Smaxx wrote: »

Not saying I'm okay with this, just thinking about it.

I was just speculating that it could be less worse than it looks like. Still ***, but not as *** (and yes, still not better). But overall, no, I'm not defending this and I'd rather avoid it as a whole as well.

Feanor

The Thalmor style looks lit. Is that also crate exclusive?

Smaxx

No. The other two styles are once again reward/quest based like others.

Feanor

Good. Thanks @Smaxx. Definitely want that Sapiarch/Thalmor style.

Dracane

Feanor wrote: »

The Thalmor style looks lit. Is that also crate exclusive?

@Feanor

As far as I know, it will be available for daily quests. The Sapiarch style
It indeed looks as lit as Magnus. I was going to wear the Divine Prosecution style, but as a full hearted Thalmor, I must wear this until the end of time.

SilverIce58

So Morrowind added 7 motifs, and Summerset adds 3 (3 obtainable in game) +1 (split up in a crown crate). I'm usually, generally, all for ZOS, but when a motif this cool comes out, it's despicable to split it up in the crown crates.

Edit: Honestly, what did they think would happen? That everyone would kneel and praise them for finally giving Maormer a style? No. Obviously not.

LittlePumpkin030

Dracane wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

The Thalmor style looks lit. Is that also crate exclusive?

@Feanor

As far as I know, it will be available for daily quests. The Sapiarch style
It indeed looks as lit as Magnus. I was going to wear the Divine Prosecution style, but as a full hearted Thalmor, I must wear this until the end of time.

Wrong Thread...

Feanor

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

LittlePumpkin030

Feanor wrote: »

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

This is not a general discussion about robes or costumes. please stick to the original thematic. Thank you

LittlePumpkin030

SilverIce58 wrote: »

So Morrowind added 7 motifs, and Summerset adds 3 (3 obtainable in game) +1 (split up in a crown crate). I'm usually, generally, all for ZOS, but when a motif this cool comes out, it's despicable to split it up in the crown crates.

Edit: Honestly, what did they think would happen? That everyone would kneel and praise them for finally giving Maormer a style? No. Obviously not.

I really like the Style of the Maormer, but the way they set this up is just to much. An RNG drop with real money is not acceptable.

Dracane

Feanor wrote: »

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

Hang on my dear, I shall reveal to you.



This is the full heavy armor (Yes, the head is Psijic, sorry) The heavy armor actually looks more light than the light armor version.

Feanor

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

This is not a general discussion about robes or costumes. please stick to the original thematic. Thank you

The original thematic being splitting up a motif into 14 pages and putting these into a crate without a guaranteed drop as a thing the player base despises? What more is there to say about that?

LittlePumpkin030

Feanor wrote: »

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

This is not a general discussion about robes or costumes. please stick to the original thematic. Thank you

The original thematic being splitting up a motif into 14 pages and putting these into a crate without a guaranteed drop as a thing the player base despises? What more is there to say about that?

Well when you don't have to say anything to the thematic and want to discuss about general costumes, please open a new thread for it.

Feanor

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

This is not a general discussion about robes or costumes. please stick to the original thematic. Thank you

The original thematic being splitting up a motif into 14 pages and putting these into a crate without a guaranteed drop as a thing the player base despises? What more is there to say about that?

Well when you don't have to say anything to the thematic and want to discuss about general costumes, please open a new thread for it.

I apologize for being off topic. I just got excited for a moment.

LittlePumpkin030

Feanor wrote: »

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Dracane

I‘m a little wary when it comes to artwork pictures ever since that Divayth Fyr costume got released But that robe simply looks gorgeous on the pic.

I just hope the dailies won’t be a chore, the only ones I could stomach were the clockwork city ones so far.

This is not a general discussion about robes or costumes. please stick to the original thematic. Thank you

The original thematic being splitting up a motif into 14 pages and putting these into a crate without a guaranteed drop as a thing the player base despises? What more is there to say about that?

Well when you don't have to say anything to the thematic and want to discuss about general costumes, please open a new thread for it.

I apologize for being off topic. I just got excited for a moment.

accepted ^_^

SilverIce58

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

So Morrowind added 7 motifs, and Summerset adds 3 (3 obtainable in game) +1 (split up in a crown crate). I'm usually, generally, all for ZOS, but when a motif this cool comes out, it's despicable to split it up in the crown crates.

Edit: Honestly, what did they think would happen? That everyone would kneel and praise them for finally giving Maormer a style? No. Obviously not.

I really like the Style of the Maormer, but the way they set this up is just to much. An RNG drop with real money is not acceptable.

Yeah, I love the style too, especially more so now that Maormer aren't wearing a darker, sleeveless version of Ancient Elf.

Highlor3

This is the first Crown Crate exclusive motif, the first time a Crown motif is used by NPCs in the game. Stalhrim Frostcaster, Grim Harlequin or the not-yet-released Tsaesci aren't used by NPCs.

Morrowind's Motifs available at launch (with achievements): Buoyant Armiger, Militant Ordinator, Ashlander and Morag Tong (conversion included in CE);
Morrowind's Motifs added later in an update (with achievements): Telvanni, Redoran and Hlaalu;
Morrowind's Motif only present in trial gear: Clockwork.

Summerset's Motifs available at launch (with achievements): Psijic and Sapiarch;
Summerset's Outfit Style exclusive to CE: Divine Prosecution;
Summerset's Motif used by enemy NPC, sold exclusively in Crown Crates: Pyandonean;
Summerset's Motif only present in trial gear: Welkynar.

Noticed something?! Less motifs obtainable in the Chapter, more being sold separately.

They might add more motifs in a future update, maybe Divine Prosecution, Pyandonean or Welkynar,... or they might not.

LittlePumpkin030

Highlor3 wrote: »

This is the first Crown Crate exclusive motif, the first time a Crown motif is used by NPCs in the game. Stalhrim Frostcaster, Grim Harlequin or the not-yet-released Tsaesci aren't used by NPCs.

Morrowind's Motifs available at launch (with achievements): Buoyant Armiger, Militant Ordinator, Ashlander and Morag Tong (conversion included in CE);
Morrowind's Motifs added later in an update (with achievements): Telvanni, Redoran and Hlaalu;
Morrowind's Motif only present in trial gear: Clockwork.

Summerset's Motifs available at launch (with achievements): Psijic and Sapiarch;
Summerset's Outfit Style exclusive to CE: Divine Prosecution;
Summerset's Motif used by enemy NPC, sold exclusively in Crown Crates: Pyandonean;
Summerset's Motif only present in trial gear: Welkynar.

Noticed something?! Less motifs obtainable in the Chapter, more being sold separately.

They might add more motifs in a future update, maybe Divine Prosecution, Pyandonean or Welkynar,... or they might not.

possible.

SilverIce58

Highlor3 wrote: »

This is the first Crown Crate exclusive motif, the first time a Crown motif is used by NPCs in the game. Stalhrim Frostcaster, Grim Harlequin or the not-yet-released Tsaesci aren't used by NPCs.

Morrowind's Motifs available at launch (with achievements): Buoyant Armiger, Militant Ordinator, Ashlander and Morag Tong (conversion included in CE);
Morrowind's Motifs added later in an update (with achievements): Telvanni, Redoran and Hlaalu;
Morrowind's Motif only present in trial gear: Clockwork.

Summerset's Motifs available at launch (with achievements): Psijic and Sapiarch;
Summerset's Outfit Style exclusive to CE: Divine Prosecution;
Summerset's Motif used by enemy NPC, sold exclusively in Crown Crates: Pyandonean;
Summerset's Motif only present in trial gear: Welkynar.

Noticed something?! Less motifs obtainable in the Chapter, more being sold separately.

They might add more motifs in a future update, maybe Divine Prosecution, Pyandonean or Welkynar,... or they might not.

I thought the Divine Prosecution from the CE wasn't a motif, and instead just a style. Isn't it obtainable in-game?

Anyhow, if they were to add more motifs in an update similar to the Great Houses of Morrowind, what would they even add besides Pyandonean? Some type of Sload style? Maybe the Welkynar?

DocFrost72

If I read the datamine right, the full book is also in the crates. If this is so, you can just buy it for gems, no?

LittlePumpkin030

DocFrost72 wrote: »

If I read the datamine right, the full book is also in the crates. If this is so, you can just buy it for gems, no?

Cannot test it on PTS as crates are not there. just realized it through the "free" crate. But also this doesn't make the fact any better, does it?

SGT_Wolfe101st

Contraptions wrote: »

This is why "it's just cosmetic" is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE excuse. When people keep parroting that it basically tells ZOS that they have carte blanche to *** people over to ever increasing degrees, since after all, it's "just cosmetic".

But it's not just cosmetic, now that outfits are a thing. People spend time and money perfecting their character's looks and appearances. True, cosmetics don't increase your stats or make you better at the game, but having a nice looking character makes you enjoy the game more, which is the true goal of every game - to let the player have fun.

Look how the motif grind has been steadily increasing over time - first it was complete books (racial styles), then rare complete books (Imperial, Daedric etc.), then rare pages (Dwemer was the first to do this), then rare page fragments (Glass), then rare pages in boxes (Worm Cult). Given that ZOS released two completely Crown exclusive motifs - Stalhrim and Grim Harlequin - and that the player base just rolled over and took it, it's sent the message that ZOS is free to push this lootbox rubbish even further. Now you pay real money and don't even get the full motif, you get the CHANCE of a FRAGMENT of the motif. And given how ZOS will never ever release lootbox odds, you can't even make an informed wager like you would at any other casino in real life.

How is this even acceptable any more? Doesn't ZOS make enough money though the preorders and deluxe editions and the collector's editions and crown store and subscriptions and etc.? The word "microtransaction" suggests that the amount you pay should be smaller than what you originally spent to get the game hence "micro", but now with 100 dollar houses and other crap in the crown store, and now this, there really is no defense anymore.

As a crafter and a motif collector, and most importantly as a PLAYER of the game I would want more opportunities to earn and work towards content in game. I do not want my subscription money going towards something that is going to be locked off, something that I have to pay MORE MONEY to get in the end. These Crown motifs should be available in game. Stop locking off content behind a paywall when it has absolutely no reason to be there in the first place.

HOLY ****! You nailed it, perfection! Nothing about $50-100 is micro. Well said, I wish I could give you gold.

DocFrost72

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

If I read the datamine right, the full book is also in the crates. If this is so, you can just buy it for gems, no?

Cannot test it on PTS as crates are not there. just realized it through the "free" crate. But also this doesn't make the fact any better, does it?

That entirely depends in if you can gift crown crate items. Would you rather have a purple lipstick, or send a staff motif to a friend?

If no gifting, its just no worse off imho. Unless they remove the ENTIRE BOOK, at which point yeah, slimey.

LittlePumpkin030

DocFrost72 wrote: »

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

If I read the datamine right, the full book is also in the crates. If this is so, you can just buy it for gems, no?

Cannot test it on PTS as crates are not there. just realized it through the "free" crate. But also this doesn't make the fact any better, does it?

That entirely depends in if you can gift crown crate items. Would you rather have a purple lipstick, or send a staff motif to a friend?

If no gifting, its just no worse off imho. Unless they remove the ENTIRE BOOK, at which point yeah, slimey.

no I think it does not depend if... Even if I technically BUY the book with gems, means I HAVE TO BUY Crown Crates as this is the only way to get gems.

DocFrost72

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

LittlePumpkin030 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

If I read the datamine right, the full book is also in the crates. If this is so, you can just buy it for gems, no?

Cannot test it on PTS as crates are not there. just realized it through the "free" crate. But also this doesn't make the fact any better, does it?

That entirely depends in if you can gift crown crate items. Would you rather have a purple lipstick, or send a staff motif to a friend?

If no gifting, its just no worse off imho. Unless they remove the ENTIRE BOOK, at which point yeah, slimey.

no I think it does not depend if... Even if I technically BUY the book with gems, means I HAVE TO BUY Crown Crates as this is the only way to get gems.

True. I don't think I've bought a single crate since the wild hunt, and even then only the four pack. I have 90 gems and have purchased plenty of low tier cosmetics (woo, Rothmeth hair!) thanks to getting tons of free crates. But then I suppose it is a bummer that it is inside the crates exclusively, if this is so.

I just don't think I'll lose sleep over it.

driosketch

Everyone check your email inboxes. Sure this stuff is just cosmetic to some, but it's also where ZOS has decided to make their profits. Customers who care about this stuff are just as important to them as those who sub or buy DLC and Chapters. ZOS wants to keep both players as customers, and they just emailed out customer surveys.

LittlePumpkin030

driosketch wrote: »

Everyone check your email inboxes. Sure this stuff is just cosmetic to some, but it's also where ZOS has decided to make their profits. Customers who care about this stuff are just as important to them as those who sub or buy DLC and Chapters. ZOS wants to keep both players as customers, and they just emailed out customer surveys.

I will definitely check this.

ParaNostram

Remember when crown store exclusive full motifs were controversial? Now we have crown crate individual chapters. This all reminds me of the story of the frog boiled alive.

driosketch

ParaNostram wrote: »

Remember when crown store exclusive full motifs were controversial? Now we have crown crate individual chapters. This all reminds me of the story of the frog boiled alive.

Crown motifs must not have sold well the first time. One was worst value than the first, and then we went over a year without any more. With their return the following year on a seasonal schedule there was probably a lot more bought.

This is ZOS trying again to push the envelope.