(Vivec NA) This Campaign is an AD farming contest. AD has no morale.

WhompO

Is this Xbox?
AD has been farming EP's back keeps for a week now, sending half the group over to KC from Farr to begin that siege. They're good at it too, cap a keep in like a minute. Once they're wiped, they wait for their tent timer to run out and repeat. They've caught up in scoring from being down for nearly a month by 2,000 AP, and it's probably because of this one 10 person group. It's not farming, it's genius, and I respect them for that. If you're on EP wake the *** up and purge AD from our home keeps instead of spending 5 hours at chalman.

Vilestride

WhompO wrote: »

Is this Xbox?
AD has been farming EP's back keeps for a week now, sending half the group over to KC from Farr to begin that siege. They're good at it too, cap a keep in like a minute. Once they're wiped, they wait for their tent timer to run out and repeat. They've caught up in scoring from being down for nearly a month by 2,000 AP, and it's probably because of this one 10 person group. It's not farming, it's genius, and I respect them for that. If you're on EP wake the *** up and purge AD from our home keeps instead of spending 5 hours at chalman.

Good to see Xbox EP are glued to chalman to. It is worth the most points though so the logic is sound.

WhompO

Vilestride wrote: »

WhompO wrote: »

Is this Xbox?
AD has been farming EP's back keeps for a week now, sending half the group over to KC from Farr to begin that siege. They're good at it too, cap a keep in like a minute. Once they're wiped, they wait for their tent timer to run out and repeat. They've caught up in scoring from being down for nearly a month by 2,000 AP, and it's probably because of this one 10 person group. It's not farming, it's genius, and I respect them for that. If you're on EP wake the *** up and purge AD from our home keeps instead of spending 5 hours at chalman.

Good to see Xbox EP are glued to chalman to. It is worth the most points though so the logic is sound.

I know! That's why I want them to let it go, so we can get it back! Instead they sit there for a half hour and share a 6k D tick with 60 other people.

VaranisArano

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reminder: There are two additional bridges that cross the Upper Niben aside from the one directly adjacent to Castle Alessia.

Bridges which both sides have used to flank around the logjam at Alessia bridge.

Point is AD have better defense than EP side. Outpost will fall in no time. Again, river prevents full scale assault for longer duration on both sides. If AD breaks initial assault, AD can provide better reinforcements than EP. Prolonged fights in alessia only AD had advantage. Put pressure with zerg groups in the bridge and delay reinforcements. Its not the case on other sides facing DC. It has advantage on assault , but poor on defense. Fight could run for many hours back and forth if both factions on full strength.

Alessia Bridge is AD's version of EP's Chalman Milegate, just like DC has one at Ash that I never fight at because I'm EP but I assume that DC and AD do. Its a chokepoint coming off of an outpost.

Kilandros

Hi Afro

Anazasi

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Taran , im gonna have to ask you work with me here.

happy to work with you just keep it off the forums well at least my name or guild. im feeling very xenophobic....

IxSTALKERxI

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

At nearly any point, a simple 12-16 man ep ball group can literally farm the entire AD faction on Vivec. This series of Defeat after defeat is completely eroding the fragile fleeting morale that my poor faction currently has. EP and DC rarely fight each other now because they can make more ap faster by simply double teaming the weak and pug-like ad. The double teaming of the weakest faction isnt anything new, but i have noticed the complete lack of morale that ad concurrently has. The poor ad rout and flee even when they have an advantage in number, and are completely dependent on the guild groups. The guild groups want absolutely nothing to do with the PuGs because they hate them for their weakness. AD we must fight back! We must rally! We can do better!

Tbh It's actually really funny when your faction builds a reputation of being 'easy to farm'. It's always hilarious when an enemy group has had so much success farming AD that they think they are all free kills. I'll enter cyrodiil with a group for the first time in months they literally aggressively zerg straight towards me at first sight thinking it's more free kills only to engage completely on my terms and get absolutely reckt lmao like their entire group instantly wiped coz they are so over confident and they don't know wtf happened. Cracks me up every time.

Seperatist

You can always go to pc eu ad vivec and nightcap together!

Sabbathius

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Yea no thanks to our hard effort, ad is trying to win for the most part.

Reverb

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Agrippa_Invisus

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Said loudmouthed guild poops on everything they touch. They have done nothing but make this game and the PVP community worse through their presence for as long as I've known of their existence. Sotha Sil might still be active were it not for their actions.

Perhaps it's time they were the ones that were told where to go stuff themselves by their faction?

Them hanging around on DC so long just leads to the continuous 'Toxic AF' label that's constantly applied to DC. Them and the old scabies ridden cougar that also hangs around the faction.

Reverb

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Said loudmouthed guild poops on everything they touch. They have done nothing but make this game and the PVP community worse through their presence for as long as I've known of their existence. Sotha Sil might still be active were it not for their actions.

Perhaps it's time they were the ones that were told where to go stuff themselves by their faction?

Them hanging around on DC so long just leads to the continuous 'Toxic AF' label that's constantly applied to DC. Them and the old scabies ridden cougar that also hangs around the faction.

Nothing you've said here is wrong, with one exception. We tell them to stuff themselves on a regular basis. I would guess that a notable majority of DC in Vivec and Shor have many members of that guild, as well as said cougar, on ignore just to eliminate the toxicity they being to zone.

They seem to actively dislike all other DC players and guilds, my best guess is that they hang around specifically to be detrimental to the faction.

Agrippa_Invisus

Reverb wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Said loudmouthed guild poops on everything they touch. They have done nothing but make this game and the PVP community worse through their presence for as long as I've known of their existence. Sotha Sil might still be active were it not for their actions.

Perhaps it's time they were the ones that were told where to go stuff themselves by their faction?

Them hanging around on DC so long just leads to the continuous 'Toxic AF' label that's constantly applied to DC. Them and the old scabies ridden cougar that also hangs around the faction.

Nothing you've said here is wrong, with one exception. We tell them to stuff themselves on a regular basis. I would guess that a notable majority of DC in Vivec and Shor have many members of that guild, as well as said cougar, on ignore just to eliminate the toxicity they being to zone.

They seem to actively dislike all other DC players and guilds, my best guess is that they hang around specifically to be detrimental to the faction.

Here's to hoping DC can eventually rid themselves of these toxic players.

No one deserves to have to play with that.

pzschrek

I think both Vile and PuG have a point here, honestly.

When I am in the mood to play guild groups (which is most of the time), I log onto AD. When in the mood to play by myself, I log onto my EP.

I'd agree that a preponderance of the better ball groups are on AD right now, and in primetime, ball groups decide the big battles. The campaign is winning because of nights of ni being a tipping point, that much is also obvious.

I'd also very much agree that AD pugs are lower quality. On EP I can trust the stranger to my right and left with a lot more confidence than I can on AD and that's a fact, jack. Which is why if I want to casually just play and have fun on my own I don't log in to AD.

Minalan wrote: »

That’s why everyone is stacking on AD. It’s how you actually win the game.

I don't accept this answer. When AD is garbage, it's legit that they get pushed because the other factions want easy points. When they're ahead, it's legit that they get pushed because they're ahead. I understand the behavior and am not pronouncing a moral judgement, nor am I saying "everyone always pushes yellow, waa waa" because I play enough EP to know how the bleaks corridor gets. My point is that this isn't an excuse.

Minno

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Said loudmouthed guild poops on everything they touch. They have done nothing but make this game and the PVP community worse through their presence for as long as I've known of their existence. Sotha Sil might still be active were it not for their actions.

Perhaps it's time they were the ones that were told where to go stuff themselves by their faction?

Them hanging around on DC so long just leads to the continuous 'Toxic AF' label that's constantly applied to DC. Them and the old scabies ridden cougar that also hangs around the faction.

Nothing you've said here is wrong, with one exception. We tell them to stuff themselves on a regular basis. I would guess that a notable majority of DC in Vivec and Shor have many members of that guild, as well as said cougar, on ignore just to eliminate the toxicity they being to zone.

They seem to actively dislike all other DC players and guilds, my best guess is that they hang around specifically to be detrimental to the faction.

Here's to hoping DC can eventually rid themselves of these toxic players.

No one deserves to have to play with that.

I'd say lag ruins the PvP more than toxic players.

That's why my Templar ass is in BGs mostly.

VaranisArano

pzschrek wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

That’s why everyone is stacking on AD. It’s how you actually win the game.

I don't accept this answer. When AD is garbage, it's legit that they get pushed because the other factions want easy points. When they're ahead, it's legit that they get pushed because they're ahead. I understand the behavior and am not pronouncing a moral judgement, nor am I saying "everyone always pushes yellow, waa waa" because I play enough EP to know how the bleaks corridor gets. My point is that this isn't an excuse.

Here's my take on it.

When AD is garbage, the PUGtatos of EP and DC fight AD because they think AD is the easier target. While the organized guilds on EP and DC who care about score fight each other (and sometimes nab easy points from AD).

When AD is winning, the organized guilds of EP and DC who care about score start focusing AD because they fight for first place, not second. The PUGtatos starting fighting DC and EP, figuring those are the easier targets.

So either way, AD is always a focus of someone.
(Though really you could replace AD with DC or EP and still have this be practically the same behavior from guilds and PUGs.)

Agrippa_Invisus

pzschrek wrote: »

I think both Vile and PuG have a point here, honestly.

When I am in the mood to play guild groups (which is most of the time), I log onto AD. When in the mood to play by myself, I log onto my EP.

I'd agree that a preponderance of the better ball groups are on AD right now, and in primetime, ball groups decide the big battles. The campaign is winning because of nights of ni being a tipping point, that much is also obvious.

I'd also very much agree that AD pugs are lower quality. On EP I can trust the stranger to my right and left with a lot more confidence than I can on AD and that's a fact, jack. Which is why if I want to casually just play and have fun on my own I don't log in to AD.

Minalan wrote: »

That’s why everyone is stacking on AD. It’s how you actually win the game.

I don't accept this answer. When AD is garbage, it's legit that they get pushed because the other factions want easy points. When they're ahead, it's legit that they get pushed because they're ahead. I understand the behavior and am not pronouncing a moral judgement, nor am I saying "everyone always pushes yellow, waa waa" because I play enough EP to know how the bleaks corridor gets. My point is that this isn't an excuse.

There's a metric ton of reasons why things are the way they are.

There are days it seems EP can't stop fixating DC to the point of having issues in the south. Other days it's AD we can't get off of. I can't tell you why it happens aside from sheer guesswork and going with my gut.

Zerg fatigue can be one of the reasons. After the 3rd or 4th 60+ man zerg that flips Chalman in a day, EP typically migrates south for an extended period of time, I've noticed.

Iskras

"AD can provide better reinforcements than EP for prolonged fights"

Agree!

Iskras

Ixtyr wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Because someone needs to be first in any unordered list of things.

Oranges
Apples
Bananas

All 3 are fruits doesn't mean oranges are the best or you have more of them.

Oranges are actually the best, though. Followed by Apples. And Bananas are the worst fruit.

Accurate conclusion, questionable metaphor.

6/10.

The 'worst' fruit are winning a campaign.

Satiar

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

To set the record straight:

VE went to AD over a year ago for a single campaign before taking a break from the game for 3-4 months. We reformed on DC later before retiring from active play.

What you’re thinking of is Omni, which rerolled from DC to AD. It has a bunch of the VE core that still plays, but it is its own guild with its own leadership and direction. It’s not a negative difference, but it’s something Zheg and Ixtyr are building and putting a lot of work into, and as such it’d be unfair to wrap them up with a retired guild and retired leads.

Minalan

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Said loudmouthed guild poops on everything they touch. They have done nothing but make this game and the PVP community worse through their presence for as long as I've known of their existence. Sotha Sil might still be active were it not for their actions.

Perhaps it's time they were the ones that were told where to go stuff themselves by their faction?

Them hanging around on DC so long just leads to the continuous 'Toxic AF' label that's constantly applied to DC. Them and the old scabies ridden cougar that also hangs around the faction.

Thanks for making me almost choke on my lunch I was laughing so hard. The last line made me fall out of my chair.

I’ll stick with DC, only because the fights are always close to home and fun. Blue home keeps now have terrible yellow pugs running around everywhere for half the night, and I’ve been having a blast.

I don’t understand why people get all angst and epeen-y about the scoreboard. Yeah DC isn’t going to win this one, we can’t control campaign population after like midnight PST. But... it’s still *fun* leaving fields of dead yellow daisies laying around.

Agrippa_Invisus

Minalan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

Said loudmouthed guild poops on everything they touch. They have done nothing but make this game and the PVP community worse through their presence for as long as I've known of their existence. Sotha Sil might still be active were it not for their actions.

Perhaps it's time they were the ones that were told where to go stuff themselves by their faction?

Them hanging around on DC so long just leads to the continuous 'Toxic AF' label that's constantly applied to DC. Them and the old scabies ridden cougar that also hangs around the faction.

Thanks for making me almost choke on my lunch I was laughing so hard. The last line made me fall out of my chair.

I’ll stick with DC, only because the fights are always close to home and fun. Blue home keeps now have terrible yellow pugs running around everywhere for half the night, and I’ve been having a blast.

I don’t understand why people get all angst and epeen-y about the scoreboard. Yeah DC isn’t going to win this one, we can’t control campaign population after like midnight PST. But... it’s still *fun* leaving fields of dead yellow daisies laying around.

Well, glad I could bring a laugh to your day.



And having fun is the most important part. Off hours has always ruled the scoreboard, and with the game no longer able to sustain a 24/7 pop locked population like it once could (many moons ago), whomever has the most off hours guilds wins.

For prime time to heavily impact the scoreboard (due to how close in strength the pop locked factions are to each other) it usually takes long term, sustained double teaming. The type that once happened to break the AD Hegemony back in the days of Thornblade seasons 1-4.

As long as you can find joy and fun in the hours you have online, you're winning right there.

Oh, and beware the cougars.

Mickydanz

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Because someone needs to be first in any unordered list of things.

Oranges
Apples
Bananas

All 3 are fruits doesn't mean oranges are the best or you have more of them.

Also this list is missing the following AD guilds:
DIG
Children of Hircine (telel's)
If the list needed to be longer of AD guilds on vivec...

Finally a note on faction stacking. Every guild faction stacks occasionally whether playing as a guild or just having some members zerg surf in off times. The reason players list other guilds is because of the frequency of stacking.

You said that you don't coordinate in zone, fair enough but it doesn't take a genius to know that there probs gnna be a lot of AD at BRK when Sej is yellow. Especially if the keep is already flagged 20/20.

I look forward to the times I see DK at Chal or Aleswell when BRK and Ash are red and blue respectively.

banana is a herb

zyk

nm

VaranisArano

Mickydanz wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Because someone needs to be first in any unordered list of things.

Oranges
Apples
Bananas

All 3 are fruits doesn't mean oranges are the best or you have more of them.

Also this list is missing the following AD guilds:
DIG
Children of Hircine (telel's)
If the list needed to be longer of AD guilds on vivec...

Finally a note on faction stacking. Every guild faction stacks occasionally whether playing as a guild or just having some members zerg surf in off times. The reason players list other guilds is because of the frequency of stacking.

You said that you don't coordinate in zone, fair enough but it doesn't take a genius to know that there probs gnna be a lot of AD at BRK when Sej is yellow. Especially if the keep is already flagged 20/20.

I look forward to the times I see DK at Chal or Aleswell when BRK and Ash are red and blue respectively.

banana is a herb

A banana is a fruit because it contains the seeds of the plant, though most commercially grown bananas have tiny flecks of sterile seed. The banana plant is technically not a "banana tree" because it's trunk/stem does not have true woody tissue and is therefore a herbaceous plant or "herb."

But I'm also reminded of the D&D joke about tomato being a fruit:
Strength is being able to crush a tomato.
Dexterity is being able to dodge a tomato.
Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato.

Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad.
Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.

Minno

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Because someone needs to be first in any unordered list of things.

Oranges
Apples
Bananas

All 3 are fruits doesn't mean oranges are the best or you have more of them.

Also this list is missing the following AD guilds:
DIG
Children of Hircine (telel's)
If the list needed to be longer of AD guilds on vivec...

Finally a note on faction stacking. Every guild faction stacks occasionally whether playing as a guild or just having some members zerg surf in off times. The reason players list other guilds is because of the frequency of stacking.

You said that you don't coordinate in zone, fair enough but it doesn't take a genius to know that there probs gnna be a lot of AD at BRK when Sej is yellow. Especially if the keep is already flagged 20/20.

I look forward to the times I see DK at Chal or Aleswell when BRK and Ash are red and blue respectively.

banana is a herb

A banana is a fruit because it contains the seeds of the plant, though most commercially grown bananas have tiny flecks of sterile seed. The banana plant is technically not a "banana tree" because it's trunk/stem does not have true woody tissue and is therefore a herbaceous plant or "herb."

But I'm also reminded of the D&D joke about tomato being a fruit:
Strength is being able to crush a tomato.
Dexterity is being able to dodge a tomato.
Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato.

Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad.
Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.

And who said nerds aren't lovable? :P

Reverb

Satiar wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Sabbathius wrote: »

I haven't been on Vivec for a while, but what's changed? I just looked at it, and AD seems to be in the first place, with a comfortable lead. Also, population wise, it shows high, while everyone else shows medium. Did a few active guilds hop over to AD?

Yep, VE went to AD to help pop balancing (most? All of them? Idk). Right after that Knights of Ni committed full time to AD after weeks of being berated and insulted in DC zone by the GM and several members of a loudmouthed (and ineffective as anything but ap farming) DC guild. As yellows, they have an axe to grind. Understandable, if a bit demoralizing for those of us who had no part in their beef.

To set the record straight:

VE went to AD over a year ago for a single campaign before taking a break from the game for 3-4 months. We reformed on DC later before retiring from active play.

What you’re thinking of is Omni, which rerolled from DC to AD. It has a bunch of the VE core that still plays, but it is its own guild with its own leadership and direction. It’s not a negative difference, but it’s something Zheg and Ixtyr are building and putting a lot of work into, and as such it’d be unfair to wrap them up with a retired guild and retired leads.

Fair, thank you for clarifying.

Joy_Division

It's been a few days since I checked the scoreboard. Is the no morale, woe-are-we, #purplealliance, ZoS screwed us over with towns, please stop farming us faction still in first place on PC NA Vivec?

pzschrek

@VaranisArano yeah I think what you said makes sense. And probably true for most factions.

@Agrippa_Invisus it's interesting that you note the "DC takes chal, EP goes south" phenomenon. I wasn't sure if that was "faction goggles" or not but definitely appeared to be a trend. My guild jokes about it all the time. It doesn't always happen, but after a few flips it usually happens somewhere between 10-11 central time and was worse when D.C. Zerged harder than they do currently. They get chal and go south to ash/nick/roe (like we usually do if we get brk...switch map sides rather than push the next ring keep with an exposed flank) and ep is sick of the corridor and pushes south too. Double teaming happens (or doesn't) for a ton of reasons all ways at all times like you say, but D.C. flipping chal around 10-11 is definitely the most consistent BOHICA I know of for AD.

though ad has had enough competent guilds up lately that it isn't always the "welp let's start again from fare" that it used to be.