(Vivec NA) This Campaign is an AD farming contest. AD has no morale.

IZZEFlameLash

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

As far as I know Venatus hasn't pvp'd in 3wks? I think we ran 3 times that week, but I didn't even log in for it lol. I tried to pvp the week the update came out but I couldn't get below like 700 ping and I havn't attempted to pvp since. I just read forums instead, at least forums don't lag.

Forum PvP is the best PvP. Too bad actual game is not going to get better any time soon for likes of us though.


And well... depends on time as others have said. AD pugs are usually running willy nilly gears and I see the main quest reward staff from Varen in AD more than any other faction. Which should tell you why AD pugs don't last long. Also, we have the most stealthbowtards that only light attacks. So... yeah... and people with buffed sd below 2k and wd of 2.5k... enough said. Oh and below 30k primary resource too.

Elong

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

with ad having more guilds than ep and dc combined along with the lead its safe to say dc and ep fight each other too much. Hell if i had a dollar for every time ad pvdoored ash just during primetime unopposed i could buy the entire crownstore in a few days

Stop running into Chal and letting them PVDoor it then.

Minalan

Elong wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

with ad having more guilds than ep and dc combined along with the lead its safe to say dc and ep fight each other too much. Hell if i had a dollar for every time ad pvdoored ash just during primetime unopposed i could buy the entire crownstore in a few days

Stop running into Chal and letting them PVDoor it then.

If it were only that simple, AD would have figured out how to get the pugs off of the bridge a long time ago.

Elong

Minalan wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

with ad having more guilds than ep and dc combined along with the lead its safe to say dc and ep fight each other too much. Hell if i had a dollar for every time ad pvdoored ash just during primetime unopposed i could buy the entire crownstore in a few days

Stop running into Chal and letting them PVDoor it then.

If it were only that simple, AD would have figured out how to get the pugs off of the bridge a long time ago.

The bridge has been very quiet of late due to AD's strength. The new bridge is arrius mine.

Ghostbane

• AD is in first, they are gonna get focused.
• Afternoons towards prime, many focus AD in revenge for the potential dominance from the hours previous
• During said time slot, AD is averagely weak and easy points for those with numbers
• AD is always weaker during the week compared to weekends
• A dominant EP zergs down to ADs gates one hour, then tries for DC the next. Sometimes in reverse.

People have this great ability to take a mental screenshot of how a map looks, and make it the subject for the day. But the majority of that lack of AD map is very short lived. Home keeps are returned pretty quickly (with an exception of Alessia, AD are useless at taking it back unless no one is home, and even then)

AD has had a large sprinkling of new players it seems, from elsewhere or just brand new. Mostly the latter. How are new players supposed to learn, whenever people are constantly arguing about Hackers, why didn't anyone defend X properly or why is there so many people stealthing in between Roebeck and Nikel.

Unless TD or Ruin isn't up with an open group, there is a large mass of confusion, of pugs showing up to random targets called out in zone by someone who isn't even there. Trying to set down a single lightening ballista in a terrible position hitting a postern house. (I would still be thankful for this, because they actually brought siege)

AD isn't without its problems. But the other factions are just the same. As always, every faction has their dominant window with their organised resources, or a shared 'morale' to go for common goals. AD has that as well, and if you are not seeing it on a daily basis every time you are playing, try and think about what you can do to help and teach, rather than whinge and preach.

( Lets not forget that there is an annual review on which faction will be a hot topic on the forums of needing help. Its DC's turn next )

Iskras

Notes from the bar management:

- AD has new players, and many - that means EP will have problems very soon (and we're starting to see this, AD is first in Vivec);

- many of these new players are inexperienced, low CP or low level, still defining Sets, gameplay style, etc. This makes some 'boring' want to farm them;

- AD has great guilds and these new players are, so I can say: 'new flowers in good gardens;

- New leaders are born at all times, correct and miss strategies and tactics - is part of this context mentioned above;

- Do not take everything 'so seriously', it's a game (even if they do not take their respective Zone chats so seriously) it can cause gastric ulcers if you do;

- Dear EP and DC friends, when will you invite AD to your wedding? Have you already marked where the 'wedding night' will be?

Iskras

Elong wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

with ad having more guilds than ep and dc combined along with the lead its safe to say dc and ep fight each other too much. Hell if i had a dollar for every time ad pvdoored ash just during primetime unopposed i could buy the entire crownstore in a few days

Stop running into Chal and letting them PVDoor it then.

If it were only that simple, AD would have figured out how to get the pugs off of the bridge a long time ago.

The bridge has been very quiet of late due to AD's strength. The new bridge is arrius mine.

#thebridgeNEVERwillDIE! #GODSAVETHEBRIDGE

VaranisArano

Iskras wrote: »

- Dear EP and DC friends, when will you invite AD to your wedding? Have you already marked where the 'wedding night' will be?

Pretty sure we're still fighting over whether it's Chalman Mine or Aleswell Farm. We'd compromise on Bleakers, but no one can agree on what color the flags and shields should be. Chalman Milegate is right out.

Anrose

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

- Dear EP and DC friends, when will you invite AD to your wedding? Have you already marked where the 'wedding night' will be?

Pretty sure we're still fighting over whether it's Chalman Mine or Aleswell Farm. We'd compromise on Bleakers, but no one can agree on what color the flags and shields should be. Chalman Milegate is right out.

I actually think Chalman Milegate is a great locale for the wedding! I regret to inform you that AD will not be present for the ceremony, however. To make up for this, we will meet you straight at the reception at Bleakers. We’ll even take care of the decorating to make up for our tardiness! I’m thinking a bright shade of yellow will do nicely since this will be a spring wedding.

Agrippa_Invisus

Elong wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

with ad having more guilds than ep and dc combined along with the lead its safe to say dc and ep fight each other too much. Hell if i had a dollar for every time ad pvdoored ash just during primetime unopposed i could buy the entire crownstore in a few days

Stop running into Chal and letting them PVDoor it then.

While I was online yesterday, at least two DC guilds (and a bucket of pugs) spent about 2-3 hours trying to force their way through Chalman's Milegate. Both LoM and CN failed at it continuously. The entire time they were feeding EP mass amounts of AP, AD was chipping away at the southwestern keeps that DC had captured earlier, Brindle, Roe, and Nikel.

Any of those DC could have gone south and defended easily, as I had not seen many of the major AD guilds out and about all day (part of why we were at Chalman). Instead they were gifting away keeps, resources, and points to the Dominion all so they could tunnel Chalman to no strategic gain -- neither gaining the keep nor protecting what they were losing to the #1 scoring faction atm.

This sort of rank stupidity is part of why DC finished last in the previous month, and are in no danger of winning this cycle either.

Definitely too used to having KoN (and previously TKG) handhold them to victories with the off hours strength, and not used to having to actually, ya know, play the map intelligently.

ofSunhold

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

with ad having more guilds than ep and dc combined along with the lead its safe to say dc and ep fight each other too much. Hell if i had a dollar for every time ad pvdoored ash just during primetime unopposed i could buy the entire crownstore in a few days

Stop running into Chal and letting them PVDoor it then.

While I was online yesterday, at least two DC guilds (and a bucket of pugs) spent about 2-3 hours trying to force their way through Chalman's Milegate. Both LoM and CN failed at it continuously. The entire time they were feeding EP mass amounts of AP, AD was chipping away at the southwestern keeps that DC had captured earlier, Brindle, Roe, and Nikel.

Any of those DC could have gone south and defended easily, as I had not seen many of the major AD guilds out and about all day (part of why we were at Chalman). Instead they were gifting away keeps, resources, and points to the Dominion all so they could tunnel Chalman to no strategic gain -- neither gaining the keep nor protecting what they were losing to the #1 scoring faction atm.

This sort of rank stupidity is part of why DC finished last in the previous month, and are in no danger of winning this cycle either.

Definitely too used to having KoN (and previously TKG) handhold them to victories with the off hours strength, and not used to having to actually, ya know, play the map intelligently.

You don't have any people on EP who don't give a damn about the map or the score and go wherever there's a big fight?

You do though. I know for a fact you do.

Chalman gate = Nik meadows = Alessia bridge

Minalan

Iskras wrote: »

- Dear EP and DC friends, when will you invite AD to your wedding? Have you already marked where the 'wedding night' will be?

In my time slot, EP and DC are in the middle of a bitter divorce.

DC wants Chal in the divorce settlement.

EP wants bleaks as alimony.

The AD lawyers take advantage and cap most of the map while we fight all night long.

No, we’re not smart enough to gang up on AD. It’s like DC saw EP with “that other woman”. He has to pay!

Alomar

ESO and it's abysmally small pvp population/competitiveness is not worth fighting about anymore folks. Let's just all hold hands at the bridges and mile-gates while we await Bless, Crowfall, and Camelot Unchained.

VaranisArano

Alomar wrote: »

ESO and it's abysmally small pvp population/competitiveness is not worth fighting about anymore folks. Let's just all hold hands at the bridges and mile-gates while we await Bless, Crowfall, and Camelot Unchained.

No. I'm not holding hands with a bunch of n'wahs.

(Also, I'm an Elder Scrolls fan, so if those games sound awesome to you, that's great, but I'm not leaving ESO till either Elder Scrolls IV comes out or I get the urge to replay Skyrim for the nth time.)

zyk

Minalan wrote: »

In my time slot, EP and DC are in the middle of a bitter divorce.

Purple marriage confirmed.

usmcjdking

I've seen less brutal custody fights over bitter divorcees than I see EP and DC fight over Chal Mine.

Agrippa_Invisus

usmcjdking wrote: »

I've seen less brutal custody fights over bitter divorcees than I see EP and DC fight over Chal Mine.

Chal Mine is a DC home keep, the last keep to retain emperor, the location of an elder scroll, and the primary location of Smurf Village all rolled into one.

For DC only, of course.

For us EP, it's just one of the most annoying resources to deal with in the game, right next to KC LM and Arrius Mine.

Iskras

usmcjdking wrote: »

I've seen less brutal custody fights over bitter divorcees than I see EP and DC fight over Chal Mine.

... nothing, just minor marriage disputes. Normal.

Dyride

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

I've seen less brutal custody fights over bitter divorcees than I see EP and DC fight over Chal Mine.

Chal Mine is a DC home keep, the last keep to retain emperor, the location of an elder scroll, and the primary location of Smurf Village all rolled into one.

For DC only, of course.

For us EP, it's just one of the most annoying resources to deal with in the game, right next to KC LM and Arrius Mine.

At least you don't have Glade Mine. Though I guess Arrius Mine has the awesome fallback point to the tunnels and Mountain.

DisgracefulMind

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

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That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

Twice a week for official raids, people put together little 4-8 mans throughout the week, but our full force is only twice. Or they group with ZDM members, I mean it just depends.

Iskras

Chalman is like that dirty dish left after lunch by husband (DC). EP (wife) complains that he must clean the dishes to help with the housework. Natural Wedding Problems.

Red_Olander

I see your point

Vilestride

I love that DC has both yellow scrolls in that grab to. Not that scroll are worth *** but still.

Iskras

Red_Olander wrote: »

I see your point

- yes man, and i complain a lot in zone chat bcause this trash AD strategy in USA time. But, some people dont want win campaigns in AD side.

Iskras

Literally, those who are doing more points are the guilds that play outside the USA prime time. I do not know what happens in USA prime time, I know that the decisions taken many or most of the time adversely affect the campaign. It is not uncommon to see AD lose the entire map at that time.

This has been happening since June 2017 - AD has been losing since. Some people get mad at me in the AD chat zone because I criticize visibly - clearly - wrong strategies. well, you can be angry, I'll continue to criticize lousy strategies.

What weighs most negatively on AD are its consecutive defeats. Absurd strategic mistakes, visible even to new players. By day, I get more than 30 or 40 wisp's with type mesures: 'yes, unfortunately AD is too hard', 'I'm stuck with AD', 'I try to find a group, but no one invites me', 'nobody helps me with Set's, with the basics of PvP '...

Well, I guess that's 'symptomatic'.

I want my faction to win, to 'break' the cycle of defeats. maybe some older ones have lost interest in teaching, playing the campaign, maybe, I do not know. Hope not. New players enter the campaigns with 'fire in the blood', wanting to participate in everything, be active and useful.

But that's it. Let's walk anyway, with mistakes and correctness. One day we will win again.

Minalan

Iskras wrote: »

Chalman is like that dirty dish left after lunch by husband (DC). EP (wife) complains that he must clean the dishes to help with the housework. Natural Wedding Problems.

More like DC wants EP to pay dearly after catching him with that Imperial hussie.

No. He’s not sorry enough, and he won’t be until he loses Chal. Our AD divorce attorney assures us that this is the best strategy!

HaroniNDeorum

Iskra, you re really unhealthy and toxic for Ad zone chat and faction overall.

Kartalin

@HaroniNDeorum Did you ever wonder which player more people have on ignore than any other? I bet ZOS has statistics on that. Just thought of it for some reason....

tyjoie

I could be wrong but I don't think many people have faction loyalty anymore. If they're playing AD, and AD get stomped, then they're just going to switch to a different faction. That was pretty much inevitable from the start. Especially with "any race any alliance" becoming available to everybody since launch.

antihero727

tyjoie wrote: »

I could be wrong but I don't think many people have faction loyalty anymore. If they're playing AD, and AD get stomped, then they're just going to switch to a different faction. That was pretty much inevitable from the start. Especially with "any race any alliance" becoming available to everybody since launch.

ZOS intended this for a long term strategy to sell a bunch of alliance change tokens just before they finally kill Cyrodiil with another game breaking bug for the 100th time.