(Vivec NA) This Campaign is an AD farming contest. AD has no morale.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

The real reason why ad is having such problems against ball groups is because of our sorcs. With the exception of TM or RAAM , no ad guild on vivec has enough competent sorcs to negate any of the ep ball groups. So these ball groups can destro and stack tight with complete impunity. Negates are the only way to kill these ball groups because most of there healers and Aoers are magical based. These players CANNOT bomb or spam heal inside an enemy negate. In short ad, our sorcs are failing us, it’s up to the pugs to pick up the slack.

Telel

If people want the dumbminion to do better......

This one thinks that anyone familiar with mid day zone chat can figure out the rest.

Agrippa_Invisus

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

The real reason why ad is having such problems against ball groups is because of our sorcs. With the exception of TM or RAAM , no ad guild on vivec has enough competent sorcs to negate any of the ep ball groups. So these ball groups can destro and stack tight with complete impunity. Negates are the only way to kill these ball groups because most of there healers and Aoers are magical based. These players CANNOT bomb or spam heal inside an enemy negate. In short ad, our sorcs are failing us, it’s up to the pugs to pick up the slack.

Rule of thumb - Don't expect much help from the pugs. Best to be pleasantly surprised when they do help.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

The real reason why ad is having such problems against ball groups is because of our sorcs. With the exception of TM or RAAM , no ad guild on vivec has enough competent sorcs to negate any of the ep ball groups. So these ball groups can destro and stack tight with complete impunity. Negates are the only way to kill these ball groups because most of there healers and Aoers are magical based. These players CANNOT bomb or spam heal inside an enemy negate. In short ad, our sorcs are failing us, it’s up to the pugs to pick up the slack.

Rule of thumb - Don't expect much help from the pugs. Best to be pleasantly surprised when they do help.

You’ll be pleasantly surprised when you wipe your noob farming blob.

Marginis

I miss the early days when AD was king of all PVP on every campaign.

Well, karma I guess.

Agrippa_Invisus

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

The real reason why ad is having such problems against ball groups is because of our sorcs. With the exception of TM or RAAM , no ad guild on vivec has enough competent sorcs to negate any of the ep ball groups. So these ball groups can destro and stack tight with complete impunity. Negates are the only way to kill these ball groups because most of there healers and Aoers are magical based. These players CANNOT bomb or spam heal inside an enemy negate. In short ad, our sorcs are failing us, it’s up to the pugs to pick up the slack.

Rule of thumb - Don't expect much help from the pugs. Best to be pleasantly surprised when they do help.

You’ll be pleasantly surprised when you wipe your noob farming blob.

Everyone wipes. It's about frequency and the amount of damage inflicted before doing so.

If we get 50+ unique kills and numerous repeat kills before wiping, it's not the pugs that won that encounter. If we occupy so much of a faction that they start losing frontline keeps or outposts, then even when/if we wipe, it's not the enemy pugs that won the encounter.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Marginis wrote: »

I miss the early days when AD was king of all PVP on every campaign.

Well, karma I guess.

THE LEGEND OF MOON DIE.

Agrippa_Invisus

Marginis wrote: »

I miss the early days when AD was king of all PVP on every campaign.

Well, karma I guess.

We don't.

Breaking the AD stranglehold (thanks to rampant overnight map flipping primarily) was one of the great accomplishments of us early EP (and a few actually reasonable DC).

That and the victory of Wabbajack v1.0 (which I wasn't much a part of beyond occasionally guesting over -- I was on Bloodthorn then Dawnbreaker).

Iskras

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

Iskra, you re really unhealthy and toxic for Ad zone chat and faction overall.

I say ty for TKG for put my faction in first in this campaign. If AD depends on 'AP farmers' they will continue to lose campaigns, as you have been losing in June 2017.

Lastly, you, Haronin, can report me to ZOS. What you, Haronin, can not - read the rules of this forum and the game - is to continue to provoke - and follow - a player without adding absolutely nothing new or constructive in any debate in this forum or 'in game'.

There is an option called 'ignore' in game, use it. But do not ask me again in this forum in a derogatory way. Or I'll turn to support.

Joy_Division

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

I miss the early days when AD was king of all PVP on every campaign.

Well, karma I guess.

That and the victory of Wabbajack v1.0

After 4 years, still one of my fondest memories of ESO.

Iskras

Ah, I remembered

... and I will continue to criticize lousy campaign strategies, movements. I have the right to have ideas, opinions, even if some do not like them. Treating ideas and opinions about the campaign as 'criticism' is one thing, another is treating them as 'toxic ideas'.

What I think is that, it seems, some 'hate' being 'contradicted'. Arrogance are everywhere in the world, even expressed in a game, but I will not 'bend over' to arrogance".

AD will win, if it bothers some, I'm sorry!

Goshua

Iskras wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

Iskra, you re really unhealthy and toxic for Ad zone chat and faction overall.

I say ty for TKG for put my faction in first in this campaign. If AD depends on 'AP farmers' they will continue to lose campaigns, as you have been losing in June 2017.

Lastly, you, Haronin, can report me to ZOS. What you, Haronin, can not - read the rules of this forum and the game - is to continue to provoke - and follow - a player without adding absolutely nothing new or constructive in any debate in this forum or 'in game'.

There is an option called 'ignore' in game, use it. But do not ask me again in this forum in a derogatory way. Or I'll turn to support.

Considering half? our Alliance has ignored you iskra's and the rest find you amusing I would suggest you learn how to say what you mean in a less derogative fashion yourself.

AD has 100 other zone chat generals telling people who really don't give a damn what to do, for whatever reason, yet somehow they make it sound less salty.

Iskras

Goshua wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

Iskra, you re really unhealthy and toxic for Ad zone chat and faction overall.

I say ty for TKG for put my faction in first in this campaign. If AD depends on 'AP farmers' they will continue to lose campaigns, as you have been losing in June 2017.

Lastly, you, Haronin, can report me to ZOS. What you, Haronin, can not - read the rules of this forum and the game - is to continue to provoke - and follow - a player without adding absolutely nothing new or constructive in any debate in this forum or 'in game'.

There is an option called 'ignore' in game, use it. But do not ask me again in this forum in a derogatory way. Or I'll turn to support.

Considering half? our Alliance has ignored you iskra's and the rest find you amusing I would suggest you learn how to say what you mean in a less derogative fashion yourself.

AD has 100 other zone chat generals telling people who really don't give a damn what to do, for whatever reason, yet somehow they make it sound less salty.

Goshua, u talk for yousellf, not for one aliance. By day I get more than 50 messages from many friends that I have in AD (My list, only AD players, most are full) overwhelmingly disappointed by the performance of some farmers. You may not like me, but do not dare - even imagine that you represent a faction.

I have said, the problem of some is called 'arrogance', to the point that they are 'elected' to faction representatives. Put yourself in your right places!

Iskras

"AD has 100 other zone chat generals telling people who really don't give a damn what to do, for whatever reason, yet somehow they make it sound less salty."

For you to see or realize that AD is on a lousy path at certain times. Try to play seriously and deal with these 100 generals (who should be in groups - and are excluded from the larger guilds for childish reasons - egos disputes) and not stay, say 'bitter' ... just try it, Goshua.

Goshua

Iskras wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

Iskra, you re really unhealthy and toxic for Ad zone chat and faction overall.

I say ty for TKG for put my faction in first in this campaign. If AD depends on 'AP farmers' they will continue to lose campaigns, as you have been losing in June 2017.

Lastly, you, Haronin, can report me to ZOS. What you, Haronin, can not - read the rules of this forum and the game - is to continue to provoke - and follow - a player without adding absolutely nothing new or constructive in any debate in this forum or 'in game'.

There is an option called 'ignore' in game, use it. But do not ask me again in this forum in a derogatory way. Or I'll turn to support.

Considering half? our Alliance has ignored you iskra's and the rest find you amusing I would suggest you learn how to say what you mean in a less derogative fashion yourself.

AD has 100 other zone chat generals telling people who really don't give a damn what to do, for whatever reason, yet somehow they make it sound less salty.

Goshua, u talk for yousellf, not for one aliance. By day I get more than 50 messages from many friends that I have in AD (My list, only AD players, most are full) overwhelmingly disappointed by the performance of some farmers. You may not like me, but do not dare - even imagine that you represent a faction.

I have said, the problem of some is called 'arrogance', to the point that they are 'elected' to faction representatives. Put yourself in your right places!

I don't dislike you at all. I don't know you and of course I speak for myself. You've a strategic/tactical mindset (also just my opinion) but lack delivery. I'm not sure how much is the language barrier or that where you come from people respond to being call stupid. In any case it's all pointless drama in a pointless war and heaven forbid you don't take it seriously.

Iskras

Goshua wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

Iskra, you re really unhealthy and toxic for Ad zone chat and faction overall.

I say ty for TKG for put my faction in first in this campaign. If AD depends on 'AP farmers' they will continue to lose campaigns, as you have been losing in June 2017.

Lastly, you, Haronin, can report me to ZOS. What you, Haronin, can not - read the rules of this forum and the game - is to continue to provoke - and follow - a player without adding absolutely nothing new or constructive in any debate in this forum or 'in game'.

There is an option called 'ignore' in game, use it. But do not ask me again in this forum in a derogatory way. Or I'll turn to support.

Considering half? our Alliance has ignored you iskra's and the rest find you amusing I would suggest you learn how to say what you mean in a less derogative fashion yourself.

AD has 100 other zone chat generals telling people who really don't give a damn what to do, for whatever reason, yet somehow they make it sound less salty.

Goshua, u talk for yousellf, not for one aliance. By day I get more than 50 messages from many friends that I have in AD (My list, only AD players, most are full) overwhelmingly disappointed by the performance of some farmers. You may not like me, but do not dare - even imagine that you represent a faction.

I have said, the problem of some is called 'arrogance', to the point that they are 'elected' to faction representatives. Put yourself in your right places!

I don't dislike you at all. I don't know you and of course I speak for myself. You've a strategic/tactical mindset (also just my opinion) but lack delivery. I'm not sure how much is the language barrier or that where you come from people respond to being call stupid. In any case it's all pointless drama in a pointless war and heaven forbid you don't take it seriously.

Not just language, culture as well. Sometimes it's frustrating to see obvious things happen every day. I agree with you, of course.

Anazasi

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

It honestly depends on the day and which guilds are on. I know my raid on Friday went back and forth between AD and DC frequently, and had fun fights all around. AD has good guilds now, actually, and fighting them is quite fun.

But AD is not outnumbered, in fact, quite the opposite. Your raids just need to spread out more. I see Omni (I think that's what they decided to finally call themselves) going around looking for fights, but Dominant Dominion, Dominion Knights, and the other group frequently flock to one single place, even if it's a resource, at a time. It would be better if they spread out to different areas of the map as well.

That being said, I deeply wish ZoS would give us some more organized PvP. Arenas would be insanely fun and draw such a huge interest into PvP. Imagine cool 8v8 arenas. Just something other than the mess that is battlegrounds.

i said "The poor ad rout and flee even when they have an advantage in number" never said anything about AD being outnumbered, stop tooting your own Horn. Dominion Knights needs to flock with other groups because they lack the damage of a true ball group.

Many of these Posts offer no solution, but i will try to Help, if your AD and want to L2 make a difference for the beloved queen, i will try to make PuG raids to give our organized groups like telel and taran some relief, Message me @FIREMAGZZ.

Really? why the hell does everyone assume DK is the only guild group stacking? I've seen Drac, Invictus, BOD and every other guild group stack with there faction. I don't make it a habit of saying where my group goes in zone chat, I don't have a habit of coordinating with other groups. Players look at the map, see an objective and move on it. Yeah Home keeps are stacked on when they need to be retaken. All the factions do it so please take the time to just not call out 1 faction or 1 guild for doing something all the groups are doing.

Anazasi

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

VaranisArano

Anazasi wrote: »

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

It honestly depends on the day and which guilds are on. I know my raid on Friday went back and forth between AD and DC frequently, and had fun fights all around. AD has good guilds now, actually, and fighting them is quite fun.

But AD is not outnumbered, in fact, quite the opposite. Your raids just need to spread out more. I see Omni (I think that's what they decided to finally call themselves) going around looking for fights, but Dominant Dominion, Dominion Knights, and the other group frequently flock to one single place, even if it's a resource, at a time. It would be better if they spread out to different areas of the map as well.

That being said, I deeply wish ZoS would give us some more organized PvP. Arenas would be insanely fun and draw such a huge interest into PvP. Imagine cool 8v8 arenas. Just something other than the mess that is battlegrounds.

i said "The poor ad rout and flee even when they have an advantage in number" never said anything about AD being outnumbered, stop tooting your own Horn. Dominion Knights needs to flock with other groups because they lack the damage of a true ball group.

Many of these Posts offer no solution, but i will try to Help, if your AD and want to L2 make a difference for the beloved queen, i will try to make PuG raids to give our organized groups like telel and taran some relief, Message me @FIREMAGZZ.

Really? why the hell does everyone assume DK is the only guild group stacking? I've seen Drac, Invictus, BOD and every other guild group stack with there faction. I don't make it a habit of saying where my group goes in zone chat, I don't have a habit of coordinating with other groups. Players look at the map, see an objective and move on it. Yeah Home keeps are stacked on when they need to be retaken. All the factions do it so please take the time to just not call out 1 faction or 1 guild for doing something all the groups are doing.

My definition of a zerg is one or more organized groups + PUGs, and by that standard all factions do it.

See, when my team does it, its a naturally occurring phenomena when players on the faction recognize the importance of the current objective and move together to ensure the success of strategy with maximum efficiency.

When the other teams do it, they're zerging/guild group stacking and should be ashamed.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Because someone needs to be first in any unordered list of things.

Oranges
Apples
Bananas

All 3 are fruits doesn't mean oranges are the best or you have more of them.

Also this list is missing the following AD guilds:
DIG
Children of Hircine (telel's)
If the list needed to be longer of AD guilds on vivec...

Finally a note on faction stacking. Every guild faction stacks occasionally whether playing as a guild or just having some members zerg surf in off times. The reason players list other guilds is because of the frequency of stacking.

You said that you don't coordinate in zone, fair enough but it doesn't take a genius to know that there probs gnna be a lot of AD at BRK when Sej is yellow. Especially if the keep is already flagged 20/20.

I look forward to the times I see DK at Chal or Aleswell when BRK and Ash are red and blue respectively.

Savos_Saren

Pssssh. You just need Savos Saren and you'll be fine.

Ixtyr

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

---

That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Because someone needs to be first in any unordered list of things.

Oranges
Apples
Bananas

All 3 are fruits doesn't mean oranges are the best or you have more of them.

Oranges are actually the best, though. Followed by Apples. And Bananas are the worst fruit.

Accurate conclusion, questionable metaphor.

6/10.

Priyasekarssk

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

At nearly any point, a simple 12-16 man ep ball group can literally farm the entire AD faction on Vivec. This series of Defeat after defeat is completely eroding the fragile fleeting morale that my poor faction currently has. EP and DC rarely fight each other now because they can make more ap faster by simply double teaming the weak and pug-like ad. The double teaming of the weakest faction isnt anything new, but i have noticed the complete lack of morale that ad concurrently has. The poor ad rout and flee even when they have an advantage in number, and are completely dependent on the guild groups. The guild groups want absolutely nothing to do with the PuGs because they hate them for their weakness. AD we must fight back! We must rally! We can do better!

AD has advantage to literally hold EPs at the bridge and push blue. Same goes for EP. EP & AD literally cannot invade each other , due to location of the map and huge river in between. EPs still love to attack ADs. DC has huge advantage on offensive. If EP & AD hold each other on the bridge, DC is dead meat. But, losing a keep nearer to bridge say alessia, safely assume entire map is lost for AD. AD has a disadvantage in map itself to lose maps too quickly if some keeps are lost. Main thing AD lacks is unity EP & DC has united groups. You can hardly DC & EP running in small groups when attacking keeps. AD do. Many of the times, AD does this. One group attack DC keep. Another group attack EP keep. In the end both group get crushed and whine in forums. On defense perspective , EP is at disadvantage than AD, being an outpost on other side of the bridge and easy to fall AD have a big keep , near to bridge and not easy to fall to EP unless forces are divided.

Only DC has pro groups atleast on most part. I can safely say EP has as many pugs as AD, even numbers may vary. EP all team members will at same place , except who scout and capture keep resources and gank group. Even I have seen EP will wait for all members(20 to 30+ people) to arrive before starting main assault. They never allow themselves to split main force. AD 5 pugs calling themselves guild pros will already start attacking the keep and getting farmed, many of AD folks will be on the way to join the attack. When we get to the location , many will be already dead and farmed. Sometimes, there will be no healer or forward camp and almost all cases no aggro puller. Very nice.

No one can help an entire alliance is full of pugs and lack common sense and always want to do you-tube videos like stunts. Even entire alliance with pugs can survive if there is unity and common sense. What I can tell is EP has their own pug problem to deal with. Often pros mixed with noobs. But EP unity keeps them a brutal force to reckon with. DC knows that, if we attack 1 EP keep , we have to face entire EP army , not the case with AD. AD pros are busy in their stunts.

EP & DC Healers position themselves in proper location to heal everyone , initial tank will pull all the aggro, before DPS & NBs reveal and execute their kills. AD often run without healers , neither aggro puller. Sometimes, not know what are the objectives.

An army without a leader and unity is good as dead.

Agrippa_Invisus

Reminder: There are two additional bridges that cross the Upper Niben aside from the one directly adjacent to Castle Alessia.

Bridges which both sides have used to flank around the logjam at Alessia bridge.

Priyasekarssk

Satiar wrote: »

AD pugs have always been the easiest to fight. If good guilds aren't on to protect them, it's what happens. Dunno why.

EP has as many pugs as AD. But, EP has unity that AD doesnt know what it is. Only DC has considerably better players as I have seen.

Priyasekarssk

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reminder: There are two additional bridges that cross the Upper Niben aside from the one directly adjacent to Castle Alessia.

Bridges which both sides have used to flank around the logjam at Alessia bridge.

Point is AD have better defense than EP side. Outpost will fall in no time. Again, river prevents full scale assault for longer duration on both sides. If AD breaks initial assault, AD can provide better reinforcements than EP. Prolonged fights in alessia only AD had advantage. Put pressure with zerg groups in the bridge and delay reinforcements. Its not the case on other sides facing DC. It has advantage on assault , but poor on defense. Fight could run for many hours back and forth if both factions on full strength.

Agrippa_Invisus

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reminder: There are two additional bridges that cross the Upper Niben aside from the one directly adjacent to Castle Alessia.

Bridges which both sides have used to flank around the logjam at Alessia bridge.

Point is AD have better defense than EP side. Outpost will fall in no time. Again, river prevents full scale assault for longer duration on both sides. Put pressure with zerg groups in the bridge. Its not the case on other sides facing DC. It has advantage on assault , but poor on defense. Fight could run for many hours back and forth if both factions on full strength.

The bridges only present a significant impediment to offensive actions if the attackers are lazy and unwilling to add up to 3 additional minutes onto their horse ride.

The only reason fights happen at the bridge is because people go there spoiling for a fight.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Anazasi wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How many guilds and re-rolled guilds does AD need exactly before the forums stop seeing AD needs help posts?

Just to be clear:

AD:
Dom Knights
Dom Dom
Fantasia
Venatus (sometimes running relatively large)
Omni
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin
Artem/panda force
Tertiary Meat (sometimes Vivec sometimes shor)
Total Dominion (granted I think these guys are only around when DD and DK aren't up)

DC:
Chuck norris
LoM (sometimes Vivec mostly shor)
Iron legion
PoD
BoD

EP:
Invictus
Pact malitia
Drac
Vae victus
Kush

You'll also note you are winning this cycle. Sorry, but if you're wondering why guilds focus AD it's because their chances of getting a good fight against AD are better given the plethora of guilds you have. Not only does DC have less guilds, they have way less top tier guilds. So AD seems like the obvious target no?

Adjusted your list slightly:

AD:
Dominion Knights
Dominant Dominion (doesn't seem to be running very often lately)
Fantasia (2-3 times a week max)
Venatus (inactive)
Omni (3x a week max)
TKG (non prime time)
Knights of Ni (non prime time)
Ruin (mostly herding pugs)
Artem/Panda Force (mostly late prime-time/offhours)
Tertiary Meat (usually Shor)
Total Dominion (mostly pug-herding, generally on every day)

DC:
Chuck Norris (rarely large groups anymore)
LoM (Mostly Shor)
Iron Legion
PoD
BoD
Innocents Abroad (stackin' dem zoigs all day erryday) (mostly herding pugs)

EP:
Invictus (seems like 3ish times a week)
Pact Militia (no idea how active they are but they tend to be on when we're around)
Dracarys (I'll let you tell me how often you guys play, I think it's 3x a week)
Vae Victus
Kush (mostly herding pugs)
Vokundein (1-2x a week or so)
Spectres of the Phoenix

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That being said, I do agree with you, DC doesn't really have much left going for it for the better guilds to fight. We sometimes get decent bouts with Iron Legion when they're defending, but aside from that, the fact of the matter is that if we want good fights with relatively even numbers, Dracarys/Invictus/Omni/Venatus/Fantasia are always going to just want to fight one another, and failing that opportunity, there's not much left to do other than farm pugs deep in enemy territory. That's why you see Drac and IVS going down and farming Faregyl for 45 minutes, or Omni going up north to mess around at the Bleakers/Chal gate so often.

AD doesn't need anymore outside help. They need to start helping themselves.

I'm curious, why is DK on the top of your list or even the other list for that matter. How can the so called worst guild show up there? The list obviously isn't alphabetized nor is it ranked by activity. So how is it that DK is on the top? And please don't say because we zerg the most. WE RUN 1 GROUP 16-24 JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUILDS.

Taran , im gonna have to ask you work with me here.

Priyasekarssk

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reminder: There are two additional bridges that cross the Upper Niben aside from the one directly adjacent to Castle Alessia.

Bridges which both sides have used to flank around the logjam at Alessia bridge.

Point is AD have better defense than EP side. Outpost will fall in no time. Again, river prevents full scale assault for longer duration on both sides. Put pressure with zerg groups in the bridge. Its not the case on other sides facing DC. It has advantage on assault , but poor on defense. Fight could run for many hours back and forth if both factions on full strength.

The bridges only present a significant impediment to offensive actions if the attackers are lazy and unwilling to add up to 3 additional minutes onto their horse ride.

The only reason fights happen at the bridge is because people go there spoiling for a fight.

I am not talking about initial assault. IF initial assault is broken or delayed for sufficient time, there is no way EP can capture alessia. AD can provide better reinforcements than EP for prolonged fights. EP always knows this. EP comes with full army before making a move on alessia. FC supports 1 rezz , but not sufficient for a prolonged fight. I agree with your comment for initial assault.

Agrippa_Invisus

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Reminder: There are two additional bridges that cross the Upper Niben aside from the one directly adjacent to Castle Alessia.

Bridges which both sides have used to flank around the logjam at Alessia bridge.

Point is AD have better defense than EP side. Outpost will fall in no time. Again, river prevents full scale assault for longer duration on both sides. Put pressure with zerg groups in the bridge. Its not the case on other sides facing DC. It has advantage on assault , but poor on defense. Fight could run for many hours back and forth if both factions on full strength.

The bridges only present a significant impediment to offensive actions if the attackers are lazy and unwilling to add up to 3 additional minutes onto their horse ride.

The only reason fights happen at the bridge is because people go there spoiling for a fight.

I am not talking about initial assault. IF initial assault is broken or delayed for sufficient time, there is no way EP can capture alessia. AD can provide better reinforcements than EP for prolonged fights. EP always knows this. EP comes with full army before making a move on alessia. FC supports 1 rezz , but not sufficient for a prolonged fight. I agree with your comment for initial assault.

Uh-huh.

I see. I see.