psychotrip wrote: »When will ES fans just call a retcon a retcon? I’ve been watching this song and dance go on for years.
Sure, everything in ES is open for interpretation. That doesn’t change the fact that Zenimax chose to go with the most boring interpretation possible.
The most magically advanced race in Tamriel, with the oldest continuous civilization, closest to the aldmer in every way possible....and it’s just a bunch of medieval castles. Jesus Christ.
I’m just sick of them throwing their most creative ideas in the garbage. Even ESO had some amazing ideas for altmer that they invented and then threw away.
Remember that awesome datamine about mainland Summerset when the game launched? Where are the varlines? The discarnates and aquiferi that tend the land? The giant orrery that powers the island?
Seeing them invent something so cool, then toss it all in favor of something derivative, within the span of the same game, is like a microcosm of everything wrong with this series.
I’ve just had enough if the bait and switch. They’re so unwilling to follow through with their ideas it’s infuriating. This is like Cyrodiil 2.0 for me, except at least I started with Oblivion so I had no idea what I was missing until years later.So, crystal tower is actually made of rock. What else will be off, I wonder.
This is actually hilarious to me, because it says so much about Zenimax’s design philosophy. When in doubt, make it gray stone. No. Matter. What.I'm a bit confused by the many broken pillars and other ruins I saw. If they cling so hard to the past and are such great artisans wouldn't they keep everything well maintained and repair asap when needed?
Because worldbuilding is hard, and it’s easy to make something look old and lived-in by making it look ruined. We need to stop trying to logic our way out of these situations with lore. There is no internal consistency in this series anymore.It's not only from a lore or ingame persepctive, mind you. It's also what ZOS feels the pinnacle of Elven culture on Nirn (at least in 2E 583) should look like. Rich said something like "Everything the do, they do best. Because they can and because they had the time to do it."
I think that's where folks find it over- or underwhelming. Something like 5.000 years (give and take) of evolving architecture looks like... this?
Can't blame folks who say "no" to it, although I find it okayish in most parts.
Yup. If this is the best they can possibly build their society, then I was an idiot to ever like the altmer. Turns out they’re just a bunch of incompetent hypocrites who are barely more advanced than the imperials.
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »grizzledcroc wrote: »Whenever they do there lore question stream this should be asked heavily .
You and I both know they'll ignore us.
This very much, but it's worth trying anyway.
VerboseQuips wrote: »I wish they'd still be doing Loremaster's Archives.
To @FaulgorThinking a bit more about it, I think the most fitting material for Altmer that has these shining, rainbow-like qualities is not glass or crystal or gold, but nacre/mother of pearl.
It's much more subdued, and fits the marine culture of the Altmer perfectly. Nacre mosaics are also pretty common in our world, so it shouldn't have been too strange for ZOS to think of.
To @FaulgorThinking a bit more about it, I think the most fitting material for Altmer that has these shining, rainbow-like qualities is not glass or crystal or gold, but nacre/mother of pearl.
It's much more subdued, and fits the marine culture of the Altmer perfectly. Nacre mosaics are also pretty common in our world, so it shouldn't have been too strange for ZOS to think of.
GrantTheGriffon wrote: »To @FaulgorThinking a bit more about it, I think the most fitting material for Altmer that has these shining, rainbow-like qualities is not glass or crystal or gold, but nacre/mother of pearl.
It's much more subdued, and fits the marine culture of the Altmer perfectly. Nacre mosaics are also pretty common in our world, so it shouldn't have been too strange for ZOS to think of.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick these minor adjustments make huge leaps to improving the expectations we're all attempting to express and demonstrate. Please listen to all of the feedback, suggestions and proposed improvements in this thread.
The architecture of Alinor etc. is beautiful but at the very least minor changes/adjustments are desperately needed to meet players expectations of Summerset. Changing the roof tiles to a different texture or colour e.g. the opal like reflections demonstrated above helps to correlate the High Elves proximity to the sea (shells, coral etc.).
Given Summerset hasn't been opened up to much wider beta testing yet I truly think the art team or whoever is responsible needs to take all of this into consideration prior to Summersets release.
Could you please pass this feedback along to the art team and world builders?
TelvanniWizard wrote: »It´s a weird mix up of imperial ruins and breton architecture... Why couldn´t we get something special, and elvish?
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »Thinking a bit more about it, I think the most fitting material for Altmer that has these shining, rainbow-like qualities is not glass or crystal or gold, but nacre/mother of pearl.
It's much more subdued, and fits the marine culture of the Altmer perfectly. Nacre mosaics are also pretty common in our world, so it shouldn't have been too strange for ZOS to think of.
I was thinking enamel on the roof tiles at least, but I like that idea. They use seashell motifs, why not the actual shells?As Morian explained, the High Elves strive for a simple elegance in their designs, in which flowing lines reflect graceful forms from the natural world. More-or-less abstract birds, flowers, and sea shells are common motifs, rendered in rich but muted colors. Armor will be tooled or embossed to represent scales or feathers, and even heavy cuirasses and helmets may sport stylized wings or beaks.psychotrip wrote: »Jesus Christ, even the coral is gray? This is actually just funny now.
My limited experience with real-life coral is that it does bleach out over time...not that that stopped Vivec's Antlers in Stonefalls. -_- That may be a research fail on my part though. Maybe only live coral has color? I'd need to look it up.
VerboseQuips wrote: »There is no chance that 3D models of the building will be redone, but ZOS can change some textures. For example they can make roof tiles made of glass, that used in armor.
It can be only on major buildings:
Or at all buildings:
I think it's pretty easy to do, and it will add uniqueness to the Summerset towns and will fit lore: "made from glass or insect wings" and "a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall".
This is a very excellent idea, and it reminds me of one ceiling of the Belgian royal palace which was converted into an artwork named "Heaven of Delight" by Jan Fabre, who covered it with thousands of scarab wings.
(Which is also a severe stab at the argument that using chitin as a decorative material could only be "building out of poetry". )
Spacemonkey wrote: »
psychotrip wrote: »
Good luck with that, buddy.
TelvanniWizard wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
Good luck with that, buddy.
Hope never dies, for some people
YOU GOT ITTo @FaulgorThinking a bit more about it, I think the most fitting material for Altmer that has these shining, rainbow-like qualities is not glass or crystal or gold, but nacre/mother of pearl.
It's much more subdued, and fits the marine culture of the Altmer perfectly. Nacre mosaics are also pretty common in our world, so it shouldn't have been too strange for ZOS to think of.
psychotrip wrote: »
They’re saying the architecture and environment look amazing and fit the altmer, but we’ve already seen it and many of us disagree. They also admit the altmer were far from their favorite race.
I respect this person’s opinion but I don’t see how this changes anything.
Summerset is still low-tech, generic medieval europe with bland gray disneyland castles.
I've seen some new footage from Summerset in an interview and I must say, these big windows that shimmer blue in the light, greatly resemble what was told us in the lore stories. I must say, everything looks stunning. My fears that Summerset may be boring have been greatly reduced.
The 2nd pic looks a bit boring due to bad lightning. But look at how impossibly high these towers grow.
To @Faulgor
What a relief! Buildings made of glass confirmed!