Elsweyr VS Black Marsh

JWKe

Other Please explain why

More orcs.

Guarlet

Elsweyr

JWKe wrote: »

More orcs.

Damn you sir, take your awesome.

ShadowMonarch

Black Marsh

Blackmarsh is uninhabitable to the other races of tamriel so would be hard for them to expand on it in this game or future games.

Kajuratus

Other Please explain why

I personally hope we don't see either Black Marsh or Elsweyr completed via a chapter, but expanded upon with multiple zones over time. Alot of Black Marsh is said to be uninhabitable for non Argonians, so I imagine there really should be a survival mechanic if we delve further into the centre of Argonia. This would most likely be properly accomplished with a separate game tbh, like an Elder Scrolls Adventures: Argonia.

I would also hope that the rest of Elsweyr ISN'T made available as a chapter, I'd rather it were separated into 2 or 3 separate zones to fully flesh out the different furstocks. ZOS has the ability to create new skeletons for creatures, as proven with the Echatere in Wrothgar, so they should definitely use a zone or 2 to introduce a few furstocks at a time. Maybe the Senche and Senche-Raht could be included with a southern zone, Dagi and Tojay with a Tenmar forest zone, Alfiq and Pahmar with the northern zone etc. Although I really feel that there should be some variety with the two legged furstocks as more non-Elsweyr zones are released. How about we see some Ohmes Khajiit living in eastern Hammerfell, or maybe a Cathay-Raht in Western Skyrim? The greater variety of Khajiit, the better

Marginis

Guarlet wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

I didn't say anything about a swamp, I used the words boring and ugly. But in answer to your question - no, neither picture looks like a swamp.

Most people express your view because of the fact that Shadowfen is nothing but swamp, which leads them to generalizing the entire rest of Black Marsh as nothing but the same thing, which isn't true. I just like to state otherwise when people do this.

...What else is in Black Marsh except swamps, handbags, and trees? That's supported by lore. Please tell me, because I have never read or seen anything otherwise.

There was a great book in TESV that described Black Marsh a bit. It made Blackmarsh sound a bit like a wilder Morrowind, with crazy trees, weird nature magic, and what would probably make for an... interesting... fast travel system. Aside from swamps there were forests, farms, villages, trading outposts - the same kind of things you would expect anywhere in Tamriel, just with a more different flavor than anything we've seen so far.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Elsweyr

The Elsweyr port city Senchal alone would be worth it.

Azurya wrote: »

the looks of Elsweyr we already know, it is like A´lakir desert, sand, bones and nothing
will never come, because it is BORING!

Parts of Elsweyr are desert, other parts are mountainous jungles, plains and a few swamps.

Violynne

Elsweyr

Azurya wrote: »

the looks of Elsweyr we already know, it is like A´lakir desert, sand, bones and nothing
will never come, because it is BORING!

???

This is only the northern part of Elsweyr. Traveling south, I highly doubt it remains a desert for long.

Also, I didn't find the Alik'r desert boring at all. It's one of the most fascinating places in the game. Just my opinion, of course, but seeing towns between dunes is reminiscent of the Middle East, where I've been. It's actually quite a truthful representation of our own planet.

jokeaccount

Elsweyr

Eventually they'll probably add both, but first:

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Elsweyr is a far more varied landscape

and second, there's a lot less of Elsweyr in the game right now than Blackmarsh. We already have Shadowfen, a region that contains Blackmarsh's current capital and a bunch of other towns, while Elsweyr has been relegated to about half a province and just one major city. Argonians all the way, but i'd really like to see Elsweyr before Blackmarsh.

I'd also really like to find out what the hell happened to the other regions of Cyrodiil now that the empire is gone... Bruma, Leyawiin, etc... did they just not exist at this point in time? are they independent now like the gold coast?

Inhuman003

Black Marsh

The funny thing is Elsweyr on the TES Map is bigger than Morrowind (North), Summerset Isle and Orsinium but not as big as Black Marsh hahaha.

yiasemi

Elsweyr

Elsweyr. I adore all the houses in Khenarthi and Reapers. The atmosphere just reminds me of lazy Greek summers , albeit with giant insects who want to eat me added to the mix. More houses to buy will add to the time I spend in game.

Astrid

Elsweyr

Poison swamps? No thnx. Gimme cats.

Stewart1874

Not a fan of either if i'm being honest. I'd rather see another section of Skyrim released, or Hammerfell (Taneth could be a good expansion to the thieves guild..). Skingrad would be an awesome setting for a vampire-centric dlc too.

I think adding a 'chapter 2' to existing guilds would also be worth while. Many more mechanics had been added which could radically improve the older guilds especially - Fighters and Mages.

Saying *** it and going to another realm of Oblivion could also be a good shout, but as a chapter sized add on.

If pushed to make a decision based on the two options I'd say give us Black Marsh. Elsweyr i'm sceptical of. Black marsh could have a strong DB theme which could make for a very engaging story. I'm not sure I could stomach the dialogue in Elsweyr very long. Reapers March was quite enough.

Anastian

Black Marsh

I am really curious to visit the Black Marsh!

carljokl

Elsweyr

But I will take sun, moon sugar and kitty boxes over swamps and mud huts.

Guarlet

Elsweyr

Marginis wrote: »

Guarlet wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

I didn't say anything about a swamp, I used the words boring and ugly. But in answer to your question - no, neither picture looks like a swamp.

Most people express your view because of the fact that Shadowfen is nothing but swamp, which leads them to generalizing the entire rest of Black Marsh as nothing but the same thing, which isn't true. I just like to state otherwise when people do this.

...What else is in Black Marsh except swamps, handbags, and trees? That's supported by lore. Please tell me, because I have never read or seen anything otherwise.

There was a great book in TESV that described Black Marsh a bit. It made Blackmarsh sound a bit like a wilder Morrowind, with crazy trees, weird nature magic, and what would probably make for an... interesting... fast travel system. Aside from swamps there were forests, farms, villages, trading outposts - the same kind of things you would expect anywhere in Tamriel, just with a more different flavor than anything we've seen so far.

That sounds interesting, but it doesn't really describe anything different from what I said. The farms/villages/outposts are naturally where the Argonians would live, they aren't animals who live in the muck of the swamp itself. The trees, I've already mentioned.

As a contrasting counterexample in Morrowind, we have the swamps around Seyna Neen, the mushroom towers of the Telvanni, the huge cantons of Vivec City, the volcanic Red Mountain, the plains of the Ashlanders, the snowy Solstheim, imperial fortresses. Etc. In Skyrim too we got quite a bit of nice contrast with the autumn-coloured forests of Falkreath, the mountains at the Throat of the World, the dwemer architecture of the Reach, etc.

We already know that Black Marsh is a hostile swamp with handbags, their trees, and their weird nature magic. While I do agree that would be quite interesting to see especially at first, I'm just not seeing the potential for anywhere near the amount of contrast you could do in Black Marsh versus anywhere else. The complete lack of outside influences that have successfully penetrated into Black Marsh (Imperials, etc have all failed) means that you would only basically see an Argonian theme and little to nothing else, maybe some Dunmer slaver camps around the edge but that's it really. It's explicitly been described how hostile the swamp is to everyone non-Argonian, so we wouldn't even get the diverse mix of races that we're used to seeing in ES games either.

I dunno. Just think that in the end, we might be better off somewhere else.

Bigevilpeter

Other Please explain why

Isn't Elsweyr the same as other?? why make 2 choices the same?

Inhuman003

Black Marsh

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Isn't Elsweyr the same as other?? why make 2 choices the same?

good point

Hokiewa

Elsweyr

Aliyavana wrote: »

Argonians are not people and swamps are boring

Agreed. Argonians are food.

Synthwavius

Other Please explain why

just anything that is actually BIG and without impassable mountains...

Guarlet

Elsweyr

Hokiewa wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Argonians are not people and swamps are boring

Agreed. Argonians are food.

Handbags are fashionable, but I wouldn't want to eat one...

Marginis

Guarlet wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Guarlet wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

I didn't say anything about a swamp, I used the words boring and ugly. But in answer to your question - no, neither picture looks like a swamp.

Most people express your view because of the fact that Shadowfen is nothing but swamp, which leads them to generalizing the entire rest of Black Marsh as nothing but the same thing, which isn't true. I just like to state otherwise when people do this.

...What else is in Black Marsh except swamps, handbags, and trees? That's supported by lore. Please tell me, because I have never read or seen anything otherwise.

There was a great book in TESV that described Black Marsh a bit. It made Blackmarsh sound a bit like a wilder Morrowind, with crazy trees, weird nature magic, and what would probably make for an... interesting... fast travel system. Aside from swamps there were forests, farms, villages, trading outposts - the same kind of things you would expect anywhere in Tamriel, just with a more different flavor than anything we've seen so far.

That sounds interesting, but it doesn't really describe anything different from what I said. The farms/villages/outposts are naturally where the Argonians would live, they aren't animals who live in the muck of the swamp itself. The trees, I've already mentioned.

As a contrasting counterexample in Morrowind, we have the swamps around Seyna Neen, the mushroom towers of the Telvanni, the huge cantons of Vivec City, the volcanic Red Mountain, the plains of the Ashlanders, the snowy Solstheim, imperial fortresses. Etc. In Skyrim too we got quite a bit of nice contrast with the autumn-coloured forests of Falkreath, the mountains at the Throat of the World, the dwemer architecture of the Reach, etc.

We already know that Black Marsh is a hostile swamp with handbags, their trees, and their weird nature magic. While I do agree that would be quite interesting to see especially at first, I'm just not seeing the potential for anywhere near the amount of contrast you could do in Black Marsh versus anywhere else. The complete lack of outside influences that have successfully penetrated into Black Marsh (Imperials, etc have all failed) means that you would only basically see an Argonian theme and little to nothing else, maybe some Dunmer slaver camps around the edge but that's it really. It's explicitly been described how hostile the swamp is to everyone non-Argonian, so we wouldn't even get the diverse mix of races that we're used to seeing in ES games either.

I dunno. Just think that in the end, we might be better off somewhere else.

There are actually some other cool things there besides the scenery and the swampy mucky fast travel network. I'm particularly interested in things like the Lilmothiit, Tsaesci, and how they would work in a bit more nature magic, something more primal and earthy than the prancing wood elves. We'd also be seeing a bit more tribal architecture, from what we already have in ESO, I would say.

It's okay if you'd prefer another place (Elsweyr would be even more awesome than Blackmarsh... probably. I dunno, it's close), but I think no matter what we get it'll be pretty cool. I mean, Summerset isn't my deal, but I'm still really excited about it.

Oh, and that part about how Blackmarsh isn't very good to non-Argonians - you mean kinda like Summerset?

Resfeber

Elsweyr

Kajuratus wrote: »

Maybe the Senche and Senche-Raht could be included with a southern zone, Dagi and Tojay with a Tenmar forest zone, Alfiq and Pahmar with the northern zone etc. Although I really feel that there should be some variety with the two legged furstocks as more non-Elsweyr zones are released. How about we see some Ohmes Khajiit living in eastern Hammerfell, or maybe a Cathay-Raht in Western Skyrim? The greater variety of Khajiit, the better

That would be so exciting to see! I'd pay to re-roll my khajiit or get a new character going just to try some of those varieties out too. They'd be missing an opportunity there.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

In Fallout 4 there were these Radiation Storms that came along. I would love to see a mechanic like this in Black Marsh. I'd love to see fogs blow in and conceal scenery. I'm fine with imposing stones jutting out of the ground like in Wulingyuan, Hunan, China. In fact how awesome a form of scenery that could exist between such rocky formations jutting out of black dense swamp. Cities built on pedestals above and underneath water below. Hidden and dangerous poisonous serpents swim, crocodiles slide along the mud and underwater, Piranhas (read: Slaughterfish) bite, and Argonian hunters lie in wait hidden and silent in the waters below.

Ideas like this and the on the Skyrim lore comment are so good. There's so much opportunity for weather and atmosphere. I mean, sure there's building above swamp-level too, but I would also love to see a lot more swimming forced in to visit points of interest too. Terrain that gives the obvious Argonian advantage.

I don't know though. The latest expansions were okay but lack the kind of imagination that suggests they really put in that kind of consideration. There were a few good moments, but mostly I had a lot of 'meh, okay' with world-building lately. Things usually just feel like a walk through other familiar territories. I did like exploring Shadowfen cause I'm an explorer-type, but I also wouldn't want to do that twice either.

I think both would be good but that Khajiit-land is what they can do well and Khajiiti-areas were some of the most enjoyable for me to travel through visually/storywise. If they're really willing to make BlackMarsh what it deserves that'd get my vote in an instant, but I'm not that confident. No matter what they choose I really just want to see something "fresh".

BozzyTheDrummer

Elsweyr

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Do you really want an entire expansion of swamps? Elsweyr is a far more varied landscape

^This. My cousin always talks about how he wants the next ES title to be in Black Marsh, and I'm like really? You really want to have an entire game in a mucky swamp?

ZioGio

Elsweyr

Because my main has always been a Khajiit since I started TES with Morrowind.

Darkmage1337

Black Marsh

jokeaccount wrote: »

Eventually they'll probably add both, but first:

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Elsweyr is a far more varied landscape

and second, there's a lot less of Elsweyr in the game right now than Blackmarsh. We already have Shadowfen, a region that contains Blackmarsh's current capital and a bunch of other towns, while Elsweyr has been relegated to about half a province and just one major city. Argonians all the way, but i'd really like to see Elsweyr before Blackmarsh.

I'd also really like to find out what the hell happened to the other regions of Cyrodiil now that the empire is gone... Bruma, Leyawiin, etc... did they just not exist at this point in time? are they independent now like the gold coast?

Bruma is a PvPvE town a part of Cyrodiil in ESO, lol. Have you never been?
However, Bravil, Leyawiin, and Skingrad (major towns in TES IV: Oblivion's Cyrodiil) are not currently accessible in ESO's Cyrodiil nor ESO in general.
You can see Bravil on the in-game ESO Cyrodiil map near the south-east Aldmeri faction gate.
As for Leyawiin, it would be further south of Bravil. And Skingrad would be west of Castle Brindle, just outside of the ESO-Cyrodiil border.

Guarlet

Elsweyr

Marginis wrote: »

Oh, and that part about how Blackmarsh isn't very good to non-Argonians - you mean kinda like Summerset?

There's a difference between being racist towards other peoples, and a literally uninhabitable land.

Marginis

Guarlet wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Oh, and that part about how Blackmarsh isn't very good to non-Argonians - you mean kinda like Summerset?

There's a difference between being racist towards other peoples, and a literally uninhabitable land.

Well I for one would find it hilarious watching all the Nords get stuck in the mud. XD

Rain_Greyraven

Black Marsh

Blackmarsh just because of the lore that has been written.

Inhuman003

Black Marsh

Azyle1

Elsweyr

Who the hell wants to go to Black Marsh? I like Argonians, but the Khajiit seem 9458630983475698437698437596834 times more interesting.