Elsweyr VS Black Marsh

dodgehopper_ESO

Black Marsh

Highlor3 wrote: »

I always wanted Alinor (Summerset Isle), Elsweyr and Black Marsh in ESO. My first wish is coming true, the third may not, but we still might get Murkmire (as DLC, not a chapter).

If they decide to go DC again (counting Orsinium as a proto-chapter), we might get Hammerfell.

Hammerfell would be nice but I personally feel that Khajiit & Argonians get the least representation in game story right now.

1. Nords have 2 zones: Belkarth, Eastmarch and the Rift.
2. Dunmer have Deshaan, Stonefalls, and Vvardenfell.
3. Altmer have Auridon and Summerset.
4. Bosmer have Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Half of Reapers March.
5. Imperials have Craglorn, Gold Coast and Cyrodiil. (They also have part of Bangkorai, Shadowfen, Reapers March, and probably other places I haven't thought of).
6. Redguards have Stros M'kai, Hew's Bane, Alikir and Bangkorai.
7. Bretons have Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, and half of Bangkorai.
8. Orcs have Belkarth and Wrothgar (aka High Rock).
9. Khajiit have 1/2 to 3/4 of Reapers March and Khenarthi's Roost
10. Argonians have Shadowfen.

If you're looking at the maps and what is being represented I personally feel Argonians are the ones getting short changed here which is very unfortunate. The images I recollect seeing of Black Marsh were so beautiful and I was personally really looking forward to seeing the deep marshes. Would I hope that they could somehow include the hellish toxin storms? Absolutely. Would I hope that they might include a Swimming mechanic, Breathe Water Magic, Waterbreathing potion and innate waterbreathing for Argonians? Hell yes. I'm a huge fan of Argonians. Now that I've more or less established all the characters I want I intend to actually make an argonian of every class once the character slots open up. So yes I'm pretty pro Argonian and I'm putting it on my sleeve so its clear where I'm coming from. Even so Its hard to dispute my point that the Argonians are underrepresented in storyline and territory.

On the whole I think ZoS has done a brilliant job with Argonians. I love the tail animations. I love their sleek iguana look. I love the releasing of information on other breeds of Argonians (Those brutes as well as Naga). I love them fleshing out the Hist a bit more. It would be nice to see more added to the game regarding Argonians.

Khajiit on the other hand are likewise fairly underrepresented on the map. I would love to see the deserts and jungles that they are famed for living in and the different cultures represented. We've seen much about the Bosmer but after Razum and some of the other elements they've introduced I actually found myself liking Khajiit for the first time in the series.

On a side note: I really hope they make Altmer castes as interesting as the ones we found in the hierarchical Dunmer society. The Dunmer are a dark reflection of the Altmer people and I am hopeful that we'll see some of the different Kinlord/Caste type elements in Summerset that we have seen with the Dunmer. I want to see the Summerset Shadows. I want to see their priestly Orders (like we see the Ordinators, Armigers, etc). In short I'm hoping they don't shortchange the interesting culture that should be there and instead make a pasty yellow-skinned generic elf country.

NovaMarx

Elsweyr

I hate to be "that guy", but we technically have 2 beast zones in the game - Reaper's March (Khajiit) and Shadowfen (Argonian) -- although they border other race territories, and therefore have a more mixed architecture and environment, which can make them feel a bit "bleh".

But with that being said, I would looove to explore deeper into the beast territories - as they are far more "exotic" than a majority of the other races'. But I am biased towards Khajiit, so I would of course love to see that first

ArchMikem

Elsweyr

Guarlet wrote: »

How is this even a question? Black Marsh is literally the cesspool of Tamriel where nobody except Argnonians wants to go or live. In-lore, as well.

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

Shadowfen is probably my least favourite Zone in the entire game including pretty much all the DLC areas. I find it boring and quite ugly, so on that note I'd vote for any other province, territory, zone, island in Tamriel over Black Marsh.

Does that look like a swamp?



Or that?

AdamskiAlders

Elsweyr

@ArchMikem I didn't say anything about a swamp, I used the words boring and ugly. But in answer to your question - no, neither picture looks like a swamp.

ArchMikem

Elsweyr

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

I didn't say anything about a swamp, I used the words boring and ugly. But in answer to your question - no, neither picture looks like a swamp.

Most people express your view because of the fact that Shadowfen is nothing but swamp, which leads them to generalizing the entire rest of Black Marsh as nothing but the same thing, which isn't true. I just like to state otherwise when people do this.

AdamskiAlders

Elsweyr

@ArchMikem I have no way of judging the rest of Black Marsh other than the in game books I've read in the last 3 Elder Scrolls games and Shadowfen, which as a zone I feel is boring, bland and very beige.

With Elsweyr I can at least judge what it may be like based on Khenarthi's Roost, Reaper's March and Malabal Tor - those areas at least to me, look like they have a lot more going for them and are much more interesting to look at and explore.

I don't know if it's the colour scheme, the graphics team or just a lack of effort on part of the designers but in my opinion Shadowfen is the worst zone in the game for me, it zaps away any and all energy I have to be there every time I'm forced to go there for quests.

However, that being said - if Black Marsh looked more like the pictures you provided and was a lot more diverse, though not less swampy then it would remove my lack of desire to travel there and I would actually be more interested in the area.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Elsweyr

@ArchMikem most people want elsweyr thinking its a beautiful desert...oh how wrong will they be! >:3

dodgehopper_ESO

Black Marsh

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

@ArchMikem I have no way of judging the rest of Black Marsh other than the in game books I've read in the last 3 Elder Scrolls games and Shadowfen, which as a zone I feel is boring, bland and very beige.

With Elsweyr I can at least judge what it may be like based on Khenarthi's Roost, Reaper's March and Malabal Tor - those areas at least to me, look like they have a lot more going for them and are much more interesting to look at and explore.

I don't know if it's the colour scheme, the graphics team or just a lack of effort on part of the designers but in my opinion Shadowfen is the worst zone in the game for me, it zaps away any and all energy I have to be there every time I'm forced to go there for quests.

However, that being said - if Black Marsh looked more like the pictures you provided and was a lot more diverse, though not less swampy then it would remove my lack of desire to travel there and I would actually be more interested in the area.

In Fallout 4 there were these Radiation Storms that came along. I would love to see a mechanic like this in Black Marsh. I'd love to see fogs blow in and conceal scenery. I'm fine with imposing stones jutting out of the ground like in Wulingyuan, Hunan, China. In fact how awesome a form of scenery that could exist between such rocky formations jutting out of black dense swamp. Cities built on pedestals above and underneath water below. Hidden and dangerous poisonous serpents swim, crocodiles slide along the mud and underwater, Piranhas (read: Slaughterfish) bite, and Argonian hunters lie in wait hidden and silent in the waters below. This could be an utterly fascinating location. I can imagine vistas and towns on top of these rocks hiding a civilization in the poisonous clouds below. I love it and I hope they make it so. I want to see the dreary swamp. Some of us love the Swamp. Some of us are sick of looking at real life deserts and don't mind a swamp now and again. This one's scales grow dry with talks of hatred toward the swamp. I erect the spine of RAGE!

Zhaedri

Black Marsh

After seeing that bit of black marsh as part of the DB storyline, and doing Shadowfen, I really want to see Black Marsh!

Inhuman003

Black Marsh

Zhaedri wrote: »

After seeing that bit of black marsh as part of the DB storyline, and doing Shadowfen, I really want to see Black Marsh!

To be honest at the end of the day I'll be happy with both (especially Black Marsh) as long as we don't go to Skyrim.

myskyrim26

Other Please explain why

Both! Any new part of Tamriel will be great. Skyrim be the last, because we had it all in TES5.

Raraaku

Elsweyr

I would love and want both. But Elsweyr gets the slight edge. I love desert/jungle environments, and I think there could be some fun/interesting possibilities and dynamics between the former kingdoms Anequina and Pellitine. Sure they were united over several centuries ago, but bad blood simmers through generations, just look at the Crowns and Forebears. Oh and to finally see all the different types of Khajiit would be very fun. Also, if they wished, it could be an interesting entry point for the Sload, considering how the Khajiit were particularly susceptible to the plague.

I'd also would like to see one of the regions that are heavily influenced by Dwemer architecture/culture

Ilithyania

Other Please explain why

Wouldnt mind seeing Riverwood or Whiterun again.

JobooAGS

Elsweyr

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Highlor3 wrote: »

I always wanted Alinor (Summerset Isle), Elsweyr and Black Marsh in ESO. My first wish is coming true, the third may not, but we still might get Murkmire (as DLC, not a chapter).

If they decide to go DC again (counting Orsinium as a proto-chapter), we might get Hammerfell.

Hammerfell would be nice but I personally feel that Khajiit & Argonians get the least representation in game story right now.

1. Nords have 2 zones: Belkarth, Eastmarch and the Rift.
2. Dunmer have Deshaan, Stonefalls, and Vvardenfell.
3. Altmer have Auridon and Summerset.
4. Bosmer have Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Half of Reapers March.
5. Imperials have Craglorn, Gold Coast and Cyrodiil. (They also have part of Bangkorai, Shadowfen, Reapers March, and probably other places I haven't thought of).
6. Redguards have Stros M'kai, Hew's Bane, Alikir and Bangkorai.
7. Bretons have Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, and half of Bangkorai.
8. Orcs have Belkarth and Wrothgar (aka High Rock).
9. Khajiit have 1/2 to 3/4 of Reapers March and Khenarthi's Roost
10. Argonians have Shadowfen.

If you're looking at the maps and what is being represented I personally feel Argonians are the ones getting short changed here which is very unfortunate. The images I recollect seeing of Black Marsh were so beautiful and I was personally really looking forward to seeing the deep marshes. Would I hope that they could somehow include the hellish toxin storms? Absolutely. Would I hope that they might include a Swimming mechanic, Breathe Water Magic, Waterbreathing potion and innate waterbreathing for Argonians? Hell yes. I'm a huge fan of Argonians. Now that I've more or less established all the characters I want I intend to actually make an argonian of every class once the character slots open up. So yes I'm pretty pro Argonian and I'm putting it on my sleeve so its clear where I'm coming from. Even so Its hard to dispute my point that the Argonians are underrepresented in storyline and territory.

On the whole I think ZoS has done a brilliant job with Argonians. I love the tail animations. I love their sleek iguana look. I love the releasing of information on other breeds of Argonians (Those brutes as well as Naga). I love them fleshing out the Hist a bit more. It would be nice to see more added to the game regarding Argonians.

Khajiit on the other hand are likewise fairly underrepresented on the map. I would love to see the deserts and jungles that they are famed for living in and the different cultures represented. We've seen much about the Bosmer but after Razum and some of the other elements they've introduced I actually found myself liking Khajiit for the first time in the series.

On a side note: I really hope they make Altmer castes as interesting as the ones we found in the hierarchical Dunmer society. The Dunmer are a dark reflection of the Altmer people and I am hopeful that we'll see some of the different Kinlord/Caste type elements in Summerset that we have seen with the Dunmer. I want to see the Summerset Shadows. I want to see their priestly Orders (like we see the Ordinators, Armigers, etc). In short I'm hoping they don't shortchange the interesting culture that should be there and instead make a pasty yellow-skinned generic elf country.

Belkarth is in Craglorn and Craglorn is in Hammerfell so therefore Redguard. Orcs have Betnick/Betony. The Nords have Bleakrock Isle

phileunderx2

Elsweyr

Warm sands beats slimy swamp all the time.

Marginis

Don't make me choose. Just give us both.

Or make one an ESO DLC and the other the next main TES game. That could work too.

DeadlyRecluse

Elsweyr

Both, ideally, but Elsweyr seems more interesting imo. Black Marsh could be good, but I'd worry that we'd end up with relatively bland tribal tropes+shadowscale plotline that is either edgy to the max or a rip-off of Dark brotherhood/Morag tong lines.

The_Smilemeister

Other Please explain why

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Do you really want an entire expansion of swamps? Elsweyr is a far more varied landscape

Do you really want an entire expansion of lands caked with fur and oversized, open air litter trays? At least Black Marsh doesn't pretend to be anything other than a miserable no man's land at the bottom of Tamriel's barrel.

Marginis

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Do you really want an entire expansion of swamps? Elsweyr is a far more varied landscape

Do you really want an entire expansion of lands caked with fur and oversized, open air litter trays? At least Black Marsh doesn't pretend to be anything other than a miserable no man's land at the bottom of Tamriel's barrel.

Different strokes for different folks - some people prefer litter boxes, some people prefer sewage dumps.

Tan9oSuccka

Elsweyr

I’d like to eventually see both.

Cats are neat. Where’s Santie Claws??!

KyleTheYounger

Other Please explain why

I'm extremely prejudicial to humans over Mer in every TES and now ESO game I play. Didn't think much of the flying rogue Aedra lizards that continue to troll my PC in Skyrim to date.

So don't think much of the beast races in Single Player TES let alone in ESO. The Argonians are admirable species. Especially since they're Hist descendants and so the only race on Nirn which descended from 1/2 surviving Elphony Old Bone planets in the Creation Monomyth. But despite that, I'm definitely not a Marsh lover.

But I could be tempted to play a beast folk race if ESO were to take us to the mysterious isle of Akavari. I mean instead of spoiling Summerset Isle for TES VI & future SP TES, this is one map continent where ZOS would've had free license to create and invent lore.

Especially since the Imperial Library, USEP and other fan sites have a good amount of lore to get their RPG quest writers started. All we know of Akavari (other than their invasion in the 2nd Era) was there were humans living there. But that these humans were either assimilated, eaten, annhilated by the Tsaeci who were/are? half human? half serpent like beings. There were also 3 other beast folk races there: the monkey people, a feline race and an ancient elemental race of snow/ice beings (which behave a lot like the Game of Thrones White Walkers & Night King).

Would be AWESOME if ZoS were to take us to the dark continent of Akavari for all those unique, exploratory reasons. This would be the first time in my entire 20+ years history playing TES to ever want to play a beast folk race.

eso_lags

Other Please explain why

Its time for a REAL skyrim / nord DLC. Not this dungeon nonsense. I know that we will either never see a skyrim dlc, or it will be like the very chapter/dlc they release, but i want it. The reason could be one of 2 things, either they dont want to take even one person away from tes skyrim (which i find most likely) or skyrim is to recent...

Now personally i want to see this entire map completed in ESO before they shut down the game (hopefully not for MANY years). I just like skyrim. Morrowind is nostalgic for some people. And while i sunk some time into oblivion and did love it, we are never going to see anything done with cyrodil so thats out of the question. But i played through skyrim like 10 times. Did everything there was to do. As did many other people. Its nostalgia for us. plus a great area.

Anyway, i think the only chance we have of getting skyrim BEFORE the end of the game is when the put in spellcrafting. I think they MIGHT add the college of winterhold with that (if it even exists in this time).. But i like every zone so id be happy with anything. Probably equally happy with blackmarsh or elswyr.

GabiAlex

Elsweyr

Voted for Elsweyr by mistake, I want lizard land cuz is green and I hate sand.

Ardaghion

Tholian1 wrote: »

I find the Argonian vernacular to be disturbing and avoid listening to them when possible. Membranes this, eggs that, and so on.

Let’s go Elsweyr.

You must raise the spine of apology.

Scythe_Mercer

Black Marsh

Orjix wrote: »

id only go with black marsh if we can enslave the filthy argonians

Ah yes the most cliche insult about Argonians lol. I to use the most generic insult, only way to get slaves in the Marsh is through the Archein and they're more arrogant then Dunmer so good luck with that buddy.

raj72616a

Other Please explain why

akavari dragon-tiger zone please

ParaNostram

Elsweyr

A more perfect DLC can always be found Elsweyr

leeux

Elsweyr

I like Argonians, they're interesting and their lore is alien an all, but I'm more fond of cats than lizards myself.

Scythe_Mercer

Black Marsh

I hope the people that vote for Elsweyr realize it's plagued by a flu that kills all but Argonians, that's none of my business.

Guarlet

Elsweyr

ArchMikem wrote: »

AdamskiAlders wrote: »

I didn't say anything about a swamp, I used the words boring and ugly. But in answer to your question - no, neither picture looks like a swamp.

Most people express your view because of the fact that Shadowfen is nothing but swamp, which leads them to generalizing the entire rest of Black Marsh as nothing but the same thing, which isn't true. I just like to state otherwise when people do this.

...What else is in Black Marsh except swamps, handbags, and trees? That's supported by lore. Please tell me, because I have never read or seen anything otherwise.