[Data Mining] ESO Update 17 Part 3 - Psijic Order Skill Line, Artaeum, Jewellery Crafting, and More

SilverIce58

Ankael07 wrote: »

What does 144 map cells compared to 81 mean? The number of dungeons/houses etc. we can enter or entirely something else?

It means that Summerset is even bigger than Vvardenfell. (because there's no volcano prohibiting us from walking in a straight line)

Seraphayel

Ankael07 wrote: »

What does 144 map cells compared to 81 mean? The number of dungeons/houses etc. we can enter or entirely something else?

I think somebody explained it like:

- Vvardenfell was 9x9 = 81 map cells (imagine that as length x width)
- Summerset is 12x12 = 144 map cells

ADarklore

I just hope they don't screw over solo players with jewelry crafting like they did with trait changing... forcing solo players to run content they don't want to run if they want to change traits.

lelink88

Nothing new for PvP ?

Seraphayel

lelink88 wrote: »

Nothing new for PvP ?

We have small scale PvP and we have RvR PvP. What could be there? I mean a Justice System where you could kill "wanted" players in the open world would be amazing but besides that? The only thing they could do is increasing the amount of players in small scale PvP so instead of 4vs4vs4 battlegrounds create bigger maps with more incentives and 8vs8vs8 oder 12vs12vs12 players.

Peekachu99

Faulgor wrote: »

Also, there are around 144 total Summerset Isle map cells. Vvardenfell only had 81. This means Summerset's map will be quite large, 12x12 map image cells as opposed to Vvardenfell's 9x9

^ Most underrated fact. Summerset will be almost twice as big as Vvardenfell.
I wonder how much will be inaccessible. There are loading screens for Eton Nir, so the highest mountain is in the game.

Let’s wait and see if they plop a giant lake or something in the middle of the landmass first.

Vapirko

I could see such a new guild skill line working well for stam sorcs

And of course jewelry crafting, finally.

Alex_Lex

Mother of daedras!

I hope we'd have another great physical collector edition this year.

Ydrisselle

lelink88 wrote: »

Nothing new for PvP ?

This is datamining. Usually this kind of information has nothing for PvP, unless they find a new map for that - and with ESO it could only be a new BG.

Gothrock

Seraphayel wrote: »

lelink88 wrote: »

Nothing new for PvP ?

We have small scale PvP and we have RvR PvP. What could be there? I mean a Justice System where you could kill "wanted" players in the open world would be amazing but besides that? The only thing they could do is increasing the amount of players in small scale PvP so instead of 4vs4vs4 battlegrounds create bigger maps with more incentives and 8vs8vs8 oder 12vs12vs12 players.

Ranked arenas / battlegrounds, for example.

Thal_J

Seraphayel wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

What does 144 map cells compared to 81 mean? The number of dungeons/houses etc. we can enter or entirely something else?

I think somebody explained it like:

- Vvardenfell was 9x9 = 81 map cells (imagine that as length x width)
- Summerset is 12x12 = 144 map cells

this is correct, this will mean the map will be higher resolution, and could (potentially) have more content than vvardenfell did, because the map is 2x bigger, there will likely be more room for things.

Elsonso

Arko_Nam_La wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

What does 144 map cells compared to 81 mean? The number of dungeons/houses etc. we can enter or entirely something else?

I think somebody explained it like:

- Vvardenfell was 9x9 = 81 map cells (imagine that as length x width)
- Summerset is 12x12 = 144 map cells

this is correct, this will mean the map will be higher resolution, and could (potentially) have more room for content than vvardenfell did, as the map alone is almost 2x bigger

Could also mean that some of the 144 cells are empty because they are just oceans filled with slaughterfish, or are areas of Auridon that we can see, but cannot access.

LonePirate

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

What does 144 map cells compared to 81 mean? The number of dungeons/houses etc. we can enter or entirely something else?

It means that Summerset is even bigger than Vvardenfell. (because there's no volcano prohibiting us from walking in a straight line)

You can’t walk in a straight line in any other zone in the game due to rocks, cliffs, hills, etc. You don’t need a mountain to block off land.

Regardless of the zone’s topography, I hope there are meaningful reasons to revisit locations. So many places in Vvardefell never need to be visited again after you flip the map icon to white. Give the players a reason to go back to the far flung cities and towns, be it special merchants, houses/apartments, new dailies, special crafting locations (no need for them to be in the wild), guild halls and Undaunted enclaves, unique drops (recipes, motifs, furniture designs, nodes, gear) or whatever else ZOS can dream up to keep us coming back for more.

Thal_J

decided to calculate how big the map for summerset isle will be

assuming each map cell is 256x256 px wide:

vvardenfell map (9x9 cells) = 2304x2304px

summerset isle map: (12x12 cells) = 3072x3072px

I will post comparison pics in a bit

Elsonso

LonePirate wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

What does 144 map cells compared to 81 mean? The number of dungeons/houses etc. we can enter or entirely something else?

It means that Summerset is even bigger than Vvardenfell. (because there's no volcano prohibiting us from walking in a straight line)

You can’t walk in a straight line in any other zone in the game due to rocks, cliffs, hills, etc. You don’t need a mountain to block off land.

Regardless of the zone’s topography, I hope there are meaningful reasons to revisit locations. So many places in Vvardefell never need to be visited again after you flip the map icon to white. Give the players a reason to go back to the far flung cities and towns, be it special merchants, houses/apartments, new dailies, special crafting locations (no need for them to be in the wild), guild halls and Undaunted enclaves, unique drops (recipes, motifs, furniture designs, nodes, gear) or whatever else ZOS can dream up to keep us coming back for more.

For all that people complain about the mountain in the middle of Vvardenfell, they don't even notice all the hills and mountains in other zones that block what we can access. Most of the maps have a usable area that is much smaller than what is shown on the map.

Vvardenfell did miss out on a couple of easy ways to get people into the far flung areas. They should have put more services in the towns around the island. They also could have added some House daily quests in Balmora and Sadrith Mora. Right now, Vivec City and Ald'ruhn are the only places to be, and it does not have to be that way. (Well, other than they won't spend the money to add to Morrowind when they can spend the money to add to the next Chapter)

LonePirate

lordrichter wrote: »

Vvardefell did miss out on a couple of easy ways to get people into the far flung areas. They should have put more services in the towns around the island. They also could have added some House daily quests in Balmora and Sadrith Mora.

This is an excellent idea. Put a furniture crafter or vendor in a city somewhere who offers daily quests which reward you with a new item for your house in that city. There could easily be two months worth of quests to furnish your home. That might be too much work for ZOS due to all of the text and voiceover but it would be an excellent addition to the game, especially for low level or new or gold poor players who cannot craft items for their house or cannot afford the designs or materials.

Universe

Thank you for the valuable information about potential development of ESO.
Though all of the data mined features may not be present when the update launches.
While I appreciate the "information", 100% of it are speculations.
This is the nature of Data Mining, speculations being made based on very little information which may be incorrect or obsolete.

Wolfenbelle

As someone who has always played AD since pre-launch in 2014, and who has missed Auridon while playing through all the other zones in the game, I'm delighted to see a return to Auridon-like content.

Thal_J

Lord wrote: »

Thank you for the valuable information about potential development of ESO.
Though all of the data mined features may not be present when the update launches.
While I appreciate the "information", 100% of it are speculations.
This is the nature of Data Mining, speculations being made based on very little information which may be incorrect or obsolete.

while it is true that a lot of datamining is speculative, I believe it is disingenuous to say that 100% is speculative.

for example, jewellerycrafting and spellcrafting, that is indeed speculative, we know very little about how it works, or even if it will appear in the next chapter. anything we say about that is entirely speculative.

where things are almost certain are where the location of the next chapter is concerned (Summerset), as this is backed up by NPCs in game outright telling us that Summerset is next, and the overwhelming amount of datamine evidence saying that we're going there. i do not believe it is speculation to say "we're going to summerset isle for the next chapter", as not only does the game directly tell us, but the game files back this up too (even summerset chapter marketing assets).

the grey area I would say is concerning things such as the Psijic skill line, as we have little information about it, but the information we do have is pretty conclusive. I think it is more or less safe to assume that a Psijic skill line is coming, but I don't believe we have enough conclusive evidence to say when for sure, e.g. a chapter or another dlc.

SirCritical

Tbh these are fantastic speculations (no pun), and even "proofs", but I'd love to hear some official news from the developers.

Thal_J

SirCritical wrote: »

Tbh these are fantastic speculations (no pun), and even "proofs", but I'd love to hear some official news from the developers.

yeah, us too. it is pretty much common knowledge now that summerset is very likely the next chapter, just waiting for official confirmation now...

zos pls

zaria

Arko_Nam_La wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

Thank you for the valuable information about potential development of ESO.
Though all of the data mined features may not be present when the update launches.
While I appreciate the "information", 100% of it are speculations.
This is the nature of Data Mining, speculations being made based on very little information which may be incorrect or obsolete.

while it is true that a lot of datamining is speculative, I think it is disingenuous to say that 100% is speculative.

for example, jewellerycrafting and spellcrafting, that is indeed speculative, we know very little about how it works, or even if it will appear in the next chapter. anything we say about that is entirely speculative.

where things are certain are where the location of the next chapter is concerned (Summerset), as this is backed up by NPCs in game outright telling us that Summerset is next, and the overwhelming amount of datamine evidence saying that we're going there. i do not believe it is speculation to say "we're going to summerset isle for the next chapter", as not only does the game directly tell us, but the game files back this up too (even summerset chapter marketing assets).

the grey area I would say is concerning things such as the Psijic skill line, as we have little information about it, but the information we do have is pretty conclusive. I think it is safe to assume that a Psijic skill line is coming, but I don't believe we have enough conclusive evidence to say when for sure, e.g. a chapter or another dlc.

This, note that new spell and jewelry crafting stuff show that its something who is worked on as in planned feature, not that its released in chapter 2 even if it makes sense. We might get one of them and the other in an later DLC

josiahva

I would be much happier with a Psijic skill line than a Psijic class...not that I have anything against a new class, its just that I am looking for more utility skills for my existing toons...a new class would mean I would have to buy another character slot.

Universe

Arko_Nam_La wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

Thank you for the valuable information about potential development of ESO.
Though all of the data mined features may not be present when the update launches.
While I appreciate the "information", 100% of it are speculations.
This is the nature of Data Mining, speculations being made based on very little information which may be incorrect or obsolete.

while it is true that a lot of datamining is speculative, I think it is disingenuous to say that 100% is speculative.

for example, jewellerycrafting and spellcrafting, that is indeed speculative, we know very little about how it works, or even if it will appear in the next chapter. anything we say about that is entirely speculative.

where things are certain are where the location of the next chapter is concerned (Summerset), as this is backed up by NPCs in game outright telling us that Summerset is next, and the overwhelming amount of datamine evidence saying that we're going there. i do not believe it is speculation to say "we're going to summerset isle for the next chapter", as not only does the game directly tell us, but the game files back this up too (even summerset chapter marketing assets).

the grey area I would say is concerning things such as the Psijic skill line, as we have little information about it, but the information we do have is pretty conclusive. I think it is safe to assume that a Psijic skill line is coming, but I don't believe we have enough conclusive evidence to say when for sure, e.g. a chapter or another dlc.

True.
100% speculative may be too much.
90% is more likely.
Though ZOS can still change their minds about the location of the next chapter and decide different course of development and this is why I mentioned 100%.
Certain games gave hints in-game about the location of the next game but the developers have chosen different course of development in the end.
Example: In Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion there were rumors that the Nerevarine has left on an expedition to Akavir which lead me to believe that the next game may be focused on Akavir, though the location of the next game was in Skyrim and not in Akavir.

Vanthras79

We must put our trust in "the guys" to make sure this comes out spectacular!

TheNuminous1

zaria wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Also, there are around 144 total Summerset Isle map cells. Vvardenfell only had 81. This means Summerset's map will be quite large, 12x12 map image cells as opposed to Vvardenfell's 9x9

^ Most underrated fact. Summerset will be almost twice as big as Vvardenfell.
I wonder how much will be inaccessible. There are loading screens for Eton Nir, so the highest mountain is in the game.

Add that Summerset don't have an giant volcano in center.

it does have eton nir tho

Lorkhan

Release date?

VerboseQuips

I thought of that today... Mephala is also tied with the Morag Tong... I hope we'll have a follow-up to Naryu - Razum-dar - (Veya Releth depending on the player choices) storyline. The Fate Bearer's prophecy isn't yet accomplished, and more light still ought to be shed on Verano's betrayal.

Thal_J

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Also, there are around 144 total Summerset Isle map cells. Vvardenfell only had 81. This means Summerset's map will be quite large, 12x12 map image cells as opposed to Vvardenfell's 9x9

^ Most underrated fact. Summerset will be almost twice as big as Vvardenfell.
I wonder how much will be inaccessible. There are loading screens for Eton Nir, so the highest mountain is in the game.

Add that Summerset don't have an giant volcano in center.

it does have eton nir tho

I was wondering about this, why would a mountain itself have a load screen? in lore it is the biggest and steepest mountain in summerset, and has Cloud Rest at the top. I could understand a tooltip saying you're on Eton Nir, but a loadscreen for the mountain itself does make me wonder.

Seraphayel

Lorkhan wrote: »

Release date?

Q2

[Edit to correct the quote]