Are the gold costs for outfit changes too dang high?

ProfesseurFreder

I could swallow the gold cost of putting together an outfit: THAT much makes sense to me.

But having to pay in order to use dyes that we've already unlocked or were previously free is just insulting. That just simply needs to go. I say we should get the torches and pitchforks out over THAT one.

The other thing I find astonishing is the cost of styles/motifs in the Crown Store. Seriously, $5,000 crowns to unlock a motif? That's almost $40 in real money! Just No. Not. Never.

From the very limited motifs available to me, I made an outfit for one character and died it at a total cost of about $8,000 gold, but I can't see doing that again for any of my other characters. It was fun to do once. But I have a bunch of good costumes that I'm more than happy with, and I also have sets of armour and clothing put together from bits that I've picked up within the game itself that I also like.

In the end, I come to the conclusion that this new outfitting system is unnecessary, expensive and overly complicated. It lays a whole new layer of collectibles, commands and controls over a system that was already plenty complicated. The only thing I like and will use on a regular basis is the "Hide Helmet" option now being in-game without having to back out to the settings.

Elsonso

Linaleah wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

People ... you can change items for FREE, as long as they are not part of an outfit.

To change the outfit, there is a fee, and how many of us waster 4k or more a day, seriously?

I don't think you understand how the system actualy works. exactly HOW can you change items for free outside of the outfit system? please? enlighten me?

moreover - this is not specificaly to you but rather to everyone who brought this up.

How to dye your equipped gear for free with the Outfit System

You can still dye your equipped gear for free at the Outfit Station. Make sure you have No Outfit selected. On the No outfit selection, you are altering your equipped gear. You should see that you cannot dye weapons and there is no gold counter. From this screen you can dye your equipped gear that is crafted/dropped without paying anything, just like you could prior to the update.

Now, to swap to your outfit, choose "Outfit 1" or whatever you named it.
If its your first time, this will look identical to your equipped gear. However, there will be a gold counter at the bottom of the menu and you can change and dye your weapons. Don't get confused! If you meant to dye your equipped gear, choose "No Outfit" instead.


I go into more detail about how to use the Outfit system here if you have further questions: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101

NOT what I was asking. tell me. how can i change the STYLE of individual pieces (like you know i could with converter before) and still dye them for free?

You cannot.

They made sure that this did not work. If you leave an Outfit slot blank, your equipped gear, including dyes, is shown. As soon as you apply a style, they apply a default color. If they did this any other way, people would just bypass the Outfit dye surcharge.

Pennylong

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

One thing I never considered was that if I want a second costume on an alt and want the weapons to match on both costumes I end up paying twice.

Just spent over 8k gold for one weapon just to make sure my hammer matched when I swap.

Thannazzar

No, they are about right

25K gold for a unique costume is fine by me.

It's the 1500 crowns for a 2nd slot that chaffe's my nads.

MerlinPendragon

They don't need a gun to rob us!

Charging us gold for dye changes that were previously free is an absurdity. I support the Crown store related changes, but the Dye Table changes going with it is a double whammy.

Frankly, I'm the type that can usually careless about the intricate details of costume ascetics, but this is a gold-sink gone too far.

Psyonico

my big issue is that dying your regular armor costs gold now... why take away something that used to be free?

PlagueSD

No, they are about right

Anyone else notice the 25% drop in price? On Monday, I was playing with the outfit system and saw the highest price for motif was 2000g. I checked again last night and noticed the cost of motifs dropped by 25% (2000g became 1500g, 200g became 150g, etc.)

put a costume together that was a mix of ebon, ebonheart, xixyx, and assassin's guild for just over 19k gold. That's completely reasonable in my opinion.

Sevalaricgirl

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

The prices are crazy outrageous and if people don't speak up, they'll never change them. I'll never use them though I think they will stop making new outfits and putting them in the store just so they can get people to use the outfitting system which would totally suck though the last outfit wasn't my thing.

josiahva

No, they are about right

It cost me 9k to create and dye my desired "costume" I spend more everytime I buy potions.

Draxys

I don’t really care about the outfit costs, but adding/changing dyes should be free. That’s just ridiculous.

Rickter

I'd rather ZOS have tied Outfit system to ESO +

im not trolling.

firedrgn

Ill just spend crowns cause im lazy . But can steal that in 60 minutes.

Or grind for gold in about 20 min

VaranisArano

Linaleah wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

smacky wrote: »

People ... you can change items for FREE, as long as they are not part of an outfit.

To change the outfit, there is a fee, and how many of us waster 4k or more a day, seriously?

I don't think you understand how the system actualy works. exactly HOW can you change items for free outside of the outfit system? please? enlighten me?

moreover - this is not specificaly to you but rather to everyone who brought this up.

How to dye your equipped gear for free with the Outfit System

You can still dye your equipped gear for free at the Outfit Station. Make sure you have No Outfit selected. On the No outfit selection, you are altering your equipped gear. You should see that you cannot dye weapons and there is no gold counter. From this screen you can dye your equipped gear that is crafted/dropped without paying anything, just like you could prior to the update.

Now, to swap to your outfit, choose "Outfit 1" or whatever you named it.
If its your first time, this will look identical to your equipped gear. However, there will be a gold counter at the bottom of the menu and you can change and dye your weapons. Don't get confused! If you meant to dye your equipped gear, choose "No Outfit" instead.


I go into more detail about how to use the Outfit system here if you have further questions: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101

NOT what I was asking. tell me. how can i change the STYLE of individual pieces (like you know i could with converter before) and still dye them for free?

You can't anymore.

ZOS removed the Morag Tong and Imperial Converter, instead moving it into the Outfit system. So now you can change the style to Morag Tong and Imperial freely in the Outfit System, but you do have to pay for the dyes. I did update my post here with that information: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395390/outfitting-dyeing-101

You can no longer convert crafted gear, non-set gear, and rare non-mandated-motif sets to Imperial or Morag Tong. If you want to equip gear with that appearance, you have to have it from beforehand, find it in dropped sets, or craft it from learning the motifs.

There's also a thread here if you want to register your opinion on the matter: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395605/was-it-ok-for-zos-to-remove-abilities-purchased-with-collectors-editions

jaye63

No, they are about right

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

I could swallow the gold cost of putting together an outfit: THAT much makes sense to me.

But having to pay in order to use dyes that we've already unlocked or were previously free is just insulting. That just simply needs to go. I say we should get the torches and pitchforks out over THAT one.

The other thing I find astonishing is the cost of styles/motifs in the Crown Store. Seriously, $5,000 crowns to unlock a motif? That's almost $40 in real money! Just No. Not. Never.

From the very limited motifs available to me, I made an outfit for one character and died it at a total cost of about $8,000 gold, but I can't see doing that again for any of my other characters. It was fun to do once. But I have a bunch of good costumes that I'm more than happy with, and I also have sets of armour and clothing put together from bits that I've picked up within the game itself that I also like.

In the end, I come to the conclusion that this new outfitting system is unnecessary, expensive and overly complicated. It lays a whole new layer of collectibles, commands and controls over a system that was already plenty complicated. The only thing I like and will use on a regular basis is the "Hide Helmet" option now being in-game without having to back out to the settings.

I agree with you on the use of dyes that were free. But your whine about the motifs... the cost hasnt changed. Why werent you whining about it before?

VaranisArano

jaye63 wrote: »

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

I could swallow the gold cost of putting together an outfit: THAT much makes sense to me.

But having to pay in order to use dyes that we've already unlocked or were previously free is just insulting. That just simply needs to go. I say we should get the torches and pitchforks out over THAT one.

The other thing I find astonishing is the cost of styles/motifs in the Crown Store. Seriously, $5,000 crowns to unlock a motif? That's almost $40 in real money! Just No. Not. Never.

From the very limited motifs available to me, I made an outfit for one character and died it at a total cost of about $8,000 gold, but I can't see doing that again for any of my other characters. It was fun to do once. But I have a bunch of good costumes that I'm more than happy with, and I also have sets of armour and clothing put together from bits that I've picked up within the game itself that I also like.

In the end, I come to the conclusion that this new outfitting system is unnecessary, expensive and overly complicated. It lays a whole new layer of collectibles, commands and controls over a system that was already plenty complicated. The only thing I like and will use on a regular basis is the "Hide Helmet" option now being in-game without having to back out to the settings.

I agree with you on the use of dyes that were free. But your whine about the motifs... the cost hasnt changed. Why werent you whining about it before?

We were. More accurately, we were informing ZOS that their Crown Store pricing is wildly inconsistent with the in-game gold necessary to buy the motifs. I mean, Ra Gada for 5000 crowns when I could buy the whole set for close to 30K gold or farm it all in Craglorn?

With the exception of Crown Store exclusive motifs (and you'd better believe I complain about that) the motifs available in the Crown Store are there for people who want to pay real money for something they could have bought or farmed in game. $$$ for convenience, essentially. I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to spend their real money for the sake of convenience, but I personally prefer to use in-game gold for all my motif purchases.

itehache

No, they are about right

I actually think that it's pretty cheap

nud3_voxel

Yeah, I was so happy when I learnt this feature was coming. Then I tried to dye my staff (just my staff) and I realised it would cost me a few thousand gold. I haven't used the outfit system since then. I've just put on my good old dyed costume. Prob the biggest disappointment for me since I started playing.

xaraan

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

The weapons seem to be pricey. 6K to use one staff style of the good types - they can say "rare" all they want, but the original motifs from the base game are horrible texture wise. (In fact, they should upload the higher res textures that I know they'd have from creating them - no one would have created them in that texture quality originally - that was downsized).

Grimm13

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

The costs are too high and there is no consideration if a character has learned the Motif or unlocked the dye being used. If they know it/unlocked it then there should be a cost reduction for that character. This makes it so you want to get each character to learn /unlock more.

Since there is no reduction it is clear that they only care about trying to drive players to crown purchase and not care anything about follow through with character rewards for playing the game.

Notice that some of the deflation you are seeing is in Motif prices as players are seeing they get no bonus in this system to have additional characters learn more Motifs.

Grimm13

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

jaye63 wrote: »

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

I could swallow the gold cost of putting together an outfit: THAT much makes sense to me.

But having to pay in order to use dyes that we've already unlocked or were previously free is just insulting. That just simply needs to go. I say we should get the torches and pitchforks out over THAT one.

The other thing I find astonishing is the cost of styles/motifs in the Crown Store. Seriously, $5,000 crowns to unlock a motif? That's almost $40 in real money! Just No. Not. Never.

From the very limited motifs available to me, I made an outfit for one character and died it at a total cost of about $8,000 gold, but I can't see doing that again for any of my other characters. It was fun to do once. But I have a bunch of good costumes that I'm more than happy with, and I also have sets of armour and clothing put together from bits that I've picked up within the game itself that I also like.

In the end, I come to the conclusion that this new outfitting system is unnecessary, expensive and overly complicated. It lays a whole new layer of collectibles, commands and controls over a system that was already plenty complicated. The only thing I like and will use on a regular basis is the "Hide Helmet" option now being in-game without having to back out to the settings.

I agree with you on the use of dyes that were free. But your whine about the motifs... the cost hasnt changed. Why werent you whining about it before?

You know the PTS forum section is just a click away, you can see a number of threads with many replies each on how we were telling them it's too high. Granted they brought it down a little, think one of my highest when first looked at was around 60k

Wildberryjack

Why in the world is it so pricey to mog or dye a weapon? It's way, way, way too much. Changing my weapon cost more than changing my entire outfit. That's messed up. As for the rest, it should not cost to dye anything. WTH?

Beodamacsa

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

They are far over priced IMO I did one outfit to hide the ugly necropotence which cost 14k and that's with out changing weapon skins or dying the weapons. Wont be doing another one rather craft them tbh.

Ep1kMalware

MajesticHaruki wrote: »

I found the whole gold requirement absurd. We farmed these motifs, spent gold to buy them or money to earn them through the crown store. Now we are forced to pay, and even more for the rare motifs, to apply them to our characters. In my opinion they should have been selling only the outfit slots for crowns. They should lower the prices at least by 50% and reward the eso plus subscribers with 2-3 tokens each month or allow them to modify their outfits without spending gold. The Dye station was perfect. Either you would buy dyes with crowns or earn them by achievements and apply them for free on any piece of gears or costume you had in your possession. I hope ZOS listens to this feedback from all of us and reconsiders its decisions.

Meh, as ESo+ we get to color our costumes for free. They should remove the cost of dying outfits absolutely, but no more. The gold costs don't look that extreme for most of the players though.