Are the gold costs for outfit changes too dang high?

Dolgubon

No, they are about right

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Dolgubon wrote: »

There are a lot of posts here of people creating outfits with the highest cost possible, but there's the thing: Most people won't make an outfit that costs that much.

I only spent around 10k on my outfit, and I wasn't paying attention to the cost at all. If I was concerned about that, I could have easily spent quite a bit less. For those players who actually have access to the high cost, super expensive motifs, unless they have bought it through the crown store, they probably already have enough gold to use them anyway.

Hmmmm....

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

What is SUPER annoying about this is how much money I had to spend to buy some of these motifs in the first place and also how much TIME I spent doing dailies, pickpocketing everyone in freaking Morrowind, farming hard dungeons, and looting every freaking container to find motifs. It is like earning the money to buy clothes, and then having to PAY for wearing the clothes. It is stupid. Generally, I am a fan boy and I'm constantly standing up for Zenimax, but this is a kick in the teeth for crafters that have already paid enough in gold, crowns, and time to get their motifs.

Pea

Lol. @Sweetpea704 Better clear that up with @Dolgubon He thinks you are rolling in gold.

I suppose that's fair, but the point is, if you've already spent hundreds of thousands or even millions on motifs to get those high cost motifs... then yes, you are rolling in gold. Maybe not anymore, but you got that gold somehow, and getting 10-20k should not be an issue compared to it.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

I voted "Yes", as I believe that the cost will be prohibitive to most of the people in the game.

My wife and I simply log in and play. our characters aren't "rich" by any means, and I think that between the two of us, we have around 200k in gold total.

While we'll use the free costume slot that comes with each character, and we'll get our "outfit" set for our two Mains, the cost is too high for us to do this, even once, on each character.

We're going to have to "pick-and-choose" which characters get the Costume, and which ones simply have to go with the natural look of crafted gear.

So while we'll both use it at least once to get the gist of it, and get our Mains to look the way we want, the cost is high enough that future use will be rare, if at all.

But we -are- very much excited for the feature, we just don't agree with the pricing of it.

Sweetpea704

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Dolgubon wrote: »

There are a lot of posts here of people creating outfits with the highest cost possible, but there's the thing: Most people won't make an outfit that costs that much.

I only spent around 10k on my outfit, and I wasn't paying attention to the cost at all. If I was concerned about that, I could have easily spent quite a bit less. For those players who actually have access to the high cost, super expensive motifs, unless they have bought it through the crown store, they probably already have enough gold to use them anyway.

Hmmmm....

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

What is SUPER annoying about this is how much money I had to spend to buy some of these motifs in the first place and also how much TIME I spent doing dailies, pickpocketing everyone in freaking Morrowind, farming hard dungeons, and looting every freaking container to find motifs. It is like earning the money to buy clothes, and then having to PAY for wearing the clothes. It is stupid. Generally, I am a fan boy and I'm constantly standing up for Zenimax, but this is a kick in the teeth for crafters that have already paid enough in gold, crowns, and time to get their motifs.

Pea

Lol. @Sweetpea704 Better clear that up with @Dolgubon He thinks you are rolling in gold.

The housing is enough of a gold sink already, thank you very much.

Glaiceana

It was slightly higher than expected, when I was briefly able to get on the server to set my main up (EU).
Cost me 18k. But the bow cost 6k alone, and it was only Celestial style, which was surprising... (Also that includes not changing the belt, since I can't see it with the chest piece I use anyway, and not changing helmet slot, since I want that hidden)
I can't really say if I feel its too high or not, because gold cost is a per person thing. It really depends on how much you have, and if you think its worth it.
So yes, if you don't have much gold, its going to be extortionate for you. If you have millions, you wouldn't even blink at the costs.

Dojohoda

No, they are about right

I'm in the minority; I do not think it's too high considering what you get.. a unique outfit (unless someone copies you).

(My outfit only costs a little over 5k.) If people want the 20k+ outfits, I am sure they will find a way to pay for it.

Radiance

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

I understand each can customize their own outfit but, Are Extra costume Slots purchased in the Crown Store Per Character or an extra slot for the entire account!?

I've played games where "Motif Quests" reward a single piece that can be chosen from the set so you still have to run the quest several times to collect them all but not an absurd, aimless amount of times with no absolute certainty of ever pulling the complete set... Games where styles are collected when you equip a piece of Gear and automatically acquire the style. You can use them at your leisure and don't have to pay to use a style you've already spend outrageous amount of work or money to acquire. And This idea of Dyes as rewards is just... Like what!?! Give me a MF Color Wheel, This is a Computer Game where Literally ANYTHING can happen... Why must you limit us... There are countless ways to make money, why do they insist on making Character Customization so Difficult.

This is getting so ridiculous I'm not sure whether this is just what I do for fun in my spare time or if I have a serious problem.
At some point I'm either not going to have the Time OR the Money to play anymore...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Dojohoda wrote: »

I'm in the minority; I do not think it's too high considering what you get.. a unique outfit (unless someone copies you).

(My outfit only costs a little over 5k.) If people want the 20k+ outfits, I am sure they will find a way to pay for it.

How is a 20k outfit worth 4x as much as a 5k outfit. If style is subjective, how does ZOS even decide which outfits should cost more? its ridiculous in its entirety.

Menelaos

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

But we -are- very much excited for the feature, we just don't agree with the pricing of it.

And that's where you are lured into the Crown Shop where they have a remedy for your ills ... always.

eyeseezombiesub17_ESO

No, they are about right

Gold sinks are necessary for an economy with an unlimited amount of gold. Seriously, you can farm gold non-stop, it has to go somewhere.

Having said that:

-Why am I paying for motifs I already own? Double taxation?
-Why am I paying for dyes I've already earned?

I don't mind burning mah gold on silly things like this and I could probably reason a few factors that went into it being this way but it's a bit messy in its current state.

VaranisArano

Radiance wrote: »

I understand each can customize their own outfit but, Are Extra costume Slots purchased in the Crown Store Per Character or an extra slot for the entire account!?

Extra Outfit Slots are per character, not an extra slot for the whole account.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Menelaos wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

But we -are- very much excited for the feature, we just don't agree with the pricing of it.

And that's where you are lured into the Crown Shop where they have a remedy for your ills ... always.

Yeah... I noticed that.

But my wife and I are both Accountants, so we're pretty damn picky on what/when/how much we spend when we buy Crowns.

If we cannot decide/justify the cost of something, we don't spend the money on the Crowns. So while I see the "ease-of-use" trickery there, I'm pretty confident that we won't fall for it.

I can't speak for everybody though...

krachall

No, they are about right

Agobi wrote: »

This game has been reduced to a cash cow...and Zo$ is milking hard...so I am not surprised by these prices

Good thing I am not paying a sub anymore

I just don't understand this.

First of all, a "cash cow" is when you stop investing in something and just milk it for the money it brings in. You post this THE DAY ZOS RELEASED A NEW PRODUCT. This is clearly NOT a cash cow.

Second, the people calling ZOS greedy are the most ignorant of all (and I mean that as it's defined, not as an insult). Do any of you realize that ZOS is a company with a goal to...wait for it...make money? Just like every other company in the world?

How anyone over the age of 5 can't understand that ZOS and every other company's PRIMARY goal is to make money is beyond me.

As a consumer, you decide to either pay for it or not pay for it. But faulting the company for trying to make money is laughable.

Sidonius

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

I used it once, to test it (as you do) I'll probably never use it again.

bethsheba

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Sidonius wrote: »

I used it once, to test it (as you do) I'll probably never use it again.

Ditto. Not going to give them more than I already am. I will just use what I am wearing, or costumes I have bought or gotten from free crates.

Pennylong

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

I think the charging for dyes is the off putting part for me. I'd be fine about the rest if dyes I had unlocked were free as once I have made my costume that is the bit I am mostly likely to change.

Making the initial costume I'm not too fussed about paying for gold for tho.

Imryll

Higher than I'm likely to pay, anyway. It would have been fun to play around with, but my practical interest is pretty price sensitive.

Malmai

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

I want more money yes please.

Runefang

Seems cheap enough, I'm all for these prices.

Joy_Division

This is the same company that justified that since like 97% of its customers did not even max out their inventory space that housing storage was not necessary.

Now with the outfit system, the ignore the 97% of their customers who dont have millions of gold lying in the banks are focused on the 3% diehards to set the prices of cosmetics.

Utterly contradictory.

Chaos2088

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Yeah gold costs should be taken down. It really is ridiculous at the moment.

A_Silverius

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

To the point where it kinda renders the outfit system useless. Whats the point of farming or buying crown motifs now if you're going to have to pay exorbitant amounts of gold to use them. The whole damn thing should be free of charge in the first place. Quality of Life improvements my ***! Even free2play mmos have customisable outfit systems that cost little to nothing at all and even give you two slots for FREE.

Thorgrimn

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Mine was 12k gold for one character outfit. Yeah way too high IMO

Elsonso

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

While we'll use the free costume slot that comes with each character, and we'll get our "outfit" set for our two Mains, the cost is too high for us to do this, even once, on each character.

We're going to have to "pick-and-choose" which characters get the Costume, and which ones simply have to go with the natural look of crafted gear.

So while we'll both use it at least once to get the gist of it, and get our Mains to look the way we want, the cost is high enough that future use will be rare, if at all.

But we -are- very much excited for the feature, we just don't agree with the pricing of it.

It is interesting how they spent all this development money to make this system, and then pulled out all the stops to help keep people from really using it.

Dojohoda

No, they are about right

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

I'm in the minority; I do not think it's too high considering what you get.. a unique outfit (unless someone copies you).

(My outfit only costs a little over 5k.) If people want the 20k+ outfits, I am sure they will find a way to pay for it.

How is a 20k outfit worth 4x as much as a 5k outfit. If style is subjective, how does ZOS even decide which outfits should cost more? its ridiculous in its entirety.

Respectfully, I'm sure you know the answer to this.. The motifs based on rarity (how difficult they are to obtain) cost more to use at the station. Zos decided to make it this way.

My take on it is: Rare motifs, being expensive to grind or to buy, and to use at the station, will insure that costumes using those motifs will be rare (like the motifs are rare). I'll admit that it's a convoluted reward for the holders of rare motifs, but it retains the value of the rare motifs. Such that level 1 Breton (which anyone can obtain easily) costs much less to use at the station than Bouyant Armiger (which is very hard to get).

nimander99

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

ând how am I supposed to answer, while waiting another 24 hours before I can play again???

For those of you who can't log in yet. Here is a screenshot. I tried to max out the gold cost to show the maximum but there might be a way to make it even higher.


Pink swords are a thing now. Somewhere out there Paul Sage senses a disturbance in the force.

Remember that is is on EVERY character you make, since these are character wide and not account wide. So if you want all your characters to look a certain way, you have to pay for the same thing over and over. Note also that the costs in outfit tokens doesn't change no matter how high you get the gold cost. If those motifs are really worth more, then the token cost should increase too.


Note that this is about $3 at current crown costs. Not much if you did it once but you will have to pay it again if you want to change JUST ONE DYE or one item since it costs to make ANY changes.

Spent tons of time and money farming rare motifs?

Now you get to pay for the privilege of using your own motifs from your own collection. I could see this cost justified if you didn't own the motif, but to charge you to use something you already payed for? Really?

Wait a sec... @Sir_Xalvador is costs gold to dye your gear even if you are an ESO Plus member? Or is that the cost if you are not an ESO Plus member?

I was under the impression Dying would still be free for subscriber's...

Cheveyo

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Economy needs gold sinks

Why not make it cost a flat % of your total gold, then? I mean gold across all characters.

radiostar

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

It costs gold if you dye an outfit. And each time you change a color, like it needs adjustment for actual lighting or something.

heaven13

Yes, the outfit gold costs are too dang high

nimander99 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

ând how am I supposed to answer, while waiting another 24 hours before I can play again???

For those of you who can't log in yet. Here is a screenshot. I tried to max out the gold cost to show the maximum but there might be a way to make it even higher.


Pink swords are a thing now. Somewhere out there Paul Sage senses a disturbance in the force.

Remember that is is on EVERY character you make, since these are character wide and not account wide. So if you want all your characters to look a certain way, you have to pay for the same thing over and over. Note also that the costs in outfit tokens doesn't change no matter how high you get the gold cost. If those motifs are really worth more, then the token cost should increase too.


Note that this is about $3 at current crown costs. Not much if you did it once but you will have to pay it again if you want to change JUST ONE DYE or one item since it costs to make ANY changes.

Spent tons of time and money farming rare motifs?

Now you get to pay for the privilege of using your own motifs from your own collection. I could see this cost justified if you didn't own the motif, but to charge you to use something you already payed for? Really?

Wait a sec... @Sir_Xalvador is costs gold to dye your gear even if you are an ESO Plus member? Or is that the cost if you are not an ESO Plus member?

I was under the impression Dying would still be free for subscriber's...

Nope, dyeing within the outfit system (which is the only way to dye weapons - make them part of an outfit) costs gold for everyone; subscriber and nonsubscriber both.

VaranisArano

nimander99 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

ând how am I supposed to answer, while waiting another 24 hours before I can play again???

For those of you who can't log in yet. Here is a screenshot. I tried to max out the gold cost to show the maximum but there might be a way to make it even higher.


Pink swords are a thing now. Somewhere out there Paul Sage senses a disturbance in the force.

Remember that is is on EVERY character you make, since these are character wide and not account wide. So if you want all your characters to look a certain way, you have to pay for the same thing over and over. Note also that the costs in outfit tokens doesn't change no matter how high you get the gold cost. If those motifs are really worth more, then the token cost should increase too.


Note that this is about $3 at current crown costs. Not much if you did it once but you will have to pay it again if you want to change JUST ONE DYE or one item since it costs to make ANY changes.

Spent tons of time and money farming rare motifs?

Now you get to pay for the privilege of using your own motifs from your own collection. I could see this cost justified if you didn't own the motif, but to charge you to use something you already payed for? Really?

Wait a sec... @Sir_Xalvador is costs gold to dye your gear even if you are an ESO Plus member? Or is that the cost if you are not an ESO Plus member?

I was under the impression Dying would still be free for subscriber's...

Dyeing costumes is still free for ESO+ subscribers. Dyeing Outfit slots is not.

OrdoHermetica

No, they are about right

Making it pricey makes sense; they still want rare style mats and the like to have value, and this way they do. If it was, say, free, there'd be very little reason for style mats to even exist, since you could just learn the motifs on your main crafter and then apply them to every character without ever needing to actually craft in rare styles.

No, the gold price is fine. What ISN'T fine is the Crown cost of 1,500 Crowns per extra outfit slot PER CHARACTER.