1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

heaven13

I view this thread as similar to the Pydandonean motif crown crate one. People are unhappy and they're telling ZOS why.

Had we all just said "oh well, pages in crown crates, I'll just be quiet and bummed regardless of how bad I think this move is for the company", we might not have ever heard a response. Granted those were crates thus, given the current widespread debate regarding lootboxes, it was prudent for ZOS to address those concerns.

Still, it's been how many months since outfitting dropped and slot prices are still something people are outspokenly unhappy about. Maybe we'll eventually get a response about them as well, even if it's just to say "hey, we've heard you, but that price is there to stay". As of now, all devs have been completely silent on this matter.

Wayshuba

heaven13 wrote: »

I view this thread as similar to the Pydandonean motif crown crate one. People are unhappy and they're telling ZOS why.

Had we all just said "oh well, pages in crown crates, I'll just be quiet and bummed regardless of how bad I think this move is for the company", we might not have ever heard a response. Granted those were crates thus, given the current widespread debate regarding lootboxes, it was prudent for ZOS to address those concerns.

Still, it's been how many months since outfitting dropped and slot prices are still something people are outspokenly unhappy about. Maybe we'll eventually get a response about them as well, even if it's just to say "hey, we've heard you, but that price is there to stay". As of now, all devs have been completely silent on this matter.

The easiest way for them to fix this, maybe make a bit more money, and please their customers is simple:

1.) Make the 1500 Crown Price account wide (still much more than the standard $3-$7 price range in other MMOs but more tolerable). Anyone who purchased slots has them available account wide at that point.

2.) Introduce a one character, one slot price of 250-300 Crowns. Again, more than other MMOs at less than a dollar but still a LOT more tolerable.

3.) Introduce an option to buy the slots individually with in game gold. This one is optional, but would re-establish a lot of good will.

4.) The most important one - learn from this. ZoS is escalating prices of microtransactions into amounts that are more than entire games for pete's sake. It really is time they should look at things like Fortnite, which is having amazing success, and generally sells items for $20, $10, $5. This common $30-$50 really is for the birds.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Wayshuba wrote: »

4.) The most important one - learn from this.

From what ?

OrdoHermetica

heaven13 wrote: »

Still, it's been how many months since outfitting dropped and slot prices are still something people are outspokenly unhappy about. Maybe we'll eventually get a response about them as well, even if it's just to say "hey, we've heard you, but that price is there to stay". As of now, all devs have been completely silent on this matter.

I can only assume this is because enough people are buying them that they don't really care what everyone else thinks. That or it's really just a saving face thing - they launched it this way, so this way it stays. Unlike the Crown Crate motif chapter thing, which drew sharp criticism immediately and before it could hit live.

Inoki

I proposed this too to be significantly cheaper and also be part of ESO Plus to have at least 5 slots immediately unlocked with the sub. The price for an outfit slot that is not even account wide is just insane. Who in their right mind would ever pay for it. Right, those who aren't

Alcast wrote: »

You get one free slot for EVERY CHARACTER. Why would you want to buy more?

that may be, but as a subscriber I would appreciate if something like this was unlocked by default. It's just a slot, nothing ground breaking, nothing P2W, pure cosmetics and could be bundled with ESO Plus. I'm not gonna bother creating new toons just for a slot.

MajesticHaruki

Could zos hurry up and lower the price on outfit slots? I have so many ideas for my character but the crown price is absurd.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I suspect at this point the only way they'll lower the price is temporarily, EX: for a Witches' Festival sale.

Morgha_Kul

I'll also point out that they made USING the slots pretty expensive too. I mean, I spent about 3 hours questing on one of my lower levels the other night, and at the end of it had made enough to account for ONE THIRD of the cost to change ONE COLOUR on ONE outfit element.

I've seen outfits put together that can cost in the tens of thousands in gold... FAR more than any of my characters could afford...

So, we're left unable to change the one slot we have without resorting to crown store tokens (roughly what, $7 each?), which I would have gone through something like 60 of already ($420 in case you're counting... and that's ONE character of the 13 I have)... and to avoid that would mean buying more outfit slots at extortionate rates... AND more besides for tokens to change THAT outfit.

The whole system is a total cluster... well, you know.

Wayshuba

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Still, it's been how many months since outfitting dropped and slot prices are still something people are outspokenly unhappy about. Maybe we'll eventually get a response about them as well, even if it's just to say "hey, we've heard you, but that price is there to stay". As of now, all devs have been completely silent on this matter.

I can only assume this is because enough people are buying them that they don't really care what everyone else thinks. That or it's really just a saving face thing - they launched it this way, so this way it stays. Unlike the Crown Crate motif chapter thing, which drew sharp criticism immediately and before it could hit live.

The reason the outfit slot didn't draw sharp criticism before launch is because it was on PTS for something like 350 Crowns. People thought that was expensive compared to other MMOs but still not unreasonable. Then when it went live the price had shot up to 1500 Crowns.

I would be willing to bet if they had put it on the PTS at the launch price, there would have been sufficient criticism at that time as well.

Elsonso

Wayshuba wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Still, it's been how many months since outfitting dropped and slot prices are still something people are outspokenly unhappy about. Maybe we'll eventually get a response about them as well, even if it's just to say "hey, we've heard you, but that price is there to stay". As of now, all devs have been completely silent on this matter.

I can only assume this is because enough people are buying them that they don't really care what everyone else thinks. That or it's really just a saving face thing - they launched it this way, so this way it stays. Unlike the Crown Crate motif chapter thing, which drew sharp criticism immediately and before it could hit live.

The reason the outfit slot didn't draw sharp criticism before launch is because it was on PTS for something like 350 Crowns. People thought that was expensive compared to other MMOs but still not unreasonable. Then when it went live the price had shot up to 1500 Crowns.

I would be willing to bet if they had put it on the PTS at the launch price, there would have been sufficient criticism at that time as well.

Unless we are talking about how much we want something, we really don't contribute to how they set prices. If we fawn over something, they might increase the price, but I think they have a base price in mind and it goes up from there.

Velaethia

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Nyladreas

It's like they live on Mars

anitajoneb17_ESO

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Miyaza

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Of course it's a mistake.

They might not realize it is, but it is most definitely a mistake.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Miyaza wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Of course it's a mistake.

They might not realize it is, but it is most definitely a mistake.

Something you do not agree with is not necessarily a mistake.
It was definitely their intention to sell the slots this way, at that price.
Whether it is a right or wrong decision : we will never know, because it depends on sales - on which we have no information.
Definitely not a mistake though. Nothing to fix here.

Velaethia

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Of course it's a mistake.

They might not realize it is, but it is most definitely a mistake.

Something you do not agree with is not necessarily a mistake.
It was definitely their intention to sell the slots this way, at that price.
Whether it is a right or wrong decision : we will never know, because it depends on sales - on which we have no information.
Definitely not a mistake though. Nothing to fix here.

Nope a dope. It is clearly a bug. It only cost 350 on PTR and then on live it glitched up to 1500. That sounds like a bug to me. It's been a few months and I feel so bad for ZoS wallet cause it's been taken a beating from this. I don't know a single person who's bought it at this bugged price.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Velaethia wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Of course it's a mistake.

They might not realize it is, but it is most definitely a mistake.

Something you do not agree with is not necessarily a mistake.
It was definitely their intention to sell the slots this way, at that price.
Whether it is a right or wrong decision : we will never know, because it depends on sales - on which we have no information.
Definitely not a mistake though. Nothing to fix here.

Nope a dope. It is clearly a bug. It only cost 350 on PTR and then on live it glitched up to 1500. That sounds like a bug to me. It's been a few months and I feel so bad for ZoS wallet cause it's been taken a beating from this. I don't know a single person who's bought it at this bugged price.

They have ALWAYS underlined that PTS prices are not binding and do not reflect future live prices.
Furthermore it's obvious that PTS prices mean nothing since we get unlimited free "fake" crowns there.
Let me introduce to you one person who's bought a 1500 crown outfit slot : ME. I'll buy more over time (I only use my sub crowns and don't buy extra crowns anyway).
And you don't have a clue about the health - or lack thereof - of ZOS' wallet.

Velaethia

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Of course it's a mistake.

They might not realize it is, but it is most definitely a mistake.

Something you do not agree with is not necessarily a mistake.
It was definitely their intention to sell the slots this way, at that price.
Whether it is a right or wrong decision : we will never know, because it depends on sales - on which we have no information.
Definitely not a mistake though. Nothing to fix here.

Nope a dope. It is clearly a bug. It only cost 350 on PTR and then on live it glitched up to 1500. That sounds like a bug to me. It's been a few months and I feel so bad for ZoS wallet cause it's been taken a beating from this. I don't know a single person who's bought it at this bugged price.

They have ALWAYS underlined that PTS prices are not binding and do not reflect future live prices.
Furthermore it's obvious that PTS prices mean nothing since we get unlimited free "fake" crowns there.
Let me introduce to you one person who's bought a 1500 crown outfit slot : ME. I'll buy more over time (I only use my sub crowns and don't buy extra crowns anyway).
And you don't have a clue about the health - or lack thereof - of ZOS' wallet.

This thread as well as first hand experience in hand is pretty darn explanatory.

Miyaza

Velaethia wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Has this been fixed yet? It's been a few months.

Fix what ? It wasn't a bug or a mistake.

Of course it's a mistake.

They might not realize it is, but it is most definitely a mistake.

Something you do not agree with is not necessarily a mistake.
It was definitely their intention to sell the slots this way, at that price.
Whether it is a right or wrong decision : we will never know, because it depends on sales - on which we have no information.
Definitely not a mistake though. Nothing to fix here.

Nope a dope. It is clearly a bug. It only cost 350 on PTR and then on live it glitched up to 1500. That sounds like a bug to me. It's been a few months and I feel so bad for ZoS wallet cause it's been taken a beating from this. I don't know a single person who's bought it at this bugged price.

They have ALWAYS underlined that PTS prices are not binding and do not reflect future live prices.
Furthermore it's obvious that PTS prices mean nothing since we get unlimited free "fake" crowns there.
Let me introduce to you one person who's bought a 1500 crown outfit slot : ME. I'll buy more over time (I only use my sub crowns and don't buy extra crowns anyway).
And you don't have a clue about the health - or lack thereof - of ZOS' wallet.

This thread as well as first hand experience in hand is pretty darn explanatory.

I personally found it illuminating to see how, aside from the person whose responses seem equivalent to "no u", the only noteworthy opposition to the original notion of this thread comes from people that didn't understand exactly what they'd get for the amount of crowns and the people that didn't see the point of having any more than one slot (and as such, spending any money on this) at all.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Velaethia wrote: »

This thread as well as first hand experience in hand is pretty darn explanatory.

No, it's not.
Forum posters are a ridiculously small, and non-representative portion of the playerbase.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Miyaza wrote: »

I personally found it illuminating to see how, aside from the person whose responses seem equivalent to "no u", the only noteworthy opposition to the original notion of this thread comes from people that didn't understand exactly what they'd get for the amount of crowns and the people that didn't see the point of having any more than one slot (and as such, spending any money on this) at all.

What do you mean ? I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought that extra slot.
Note though that I did not spend any *money* on it - just crowns.

Morgha_Kul

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

I personally found it illuminating to see how, aside from the person whose responses seem equivalent to "no u", the only noteworthy opposition to the original notion of this thread comes from people that didn't understand exactly what they'd get for the amount of crowns and the people that didn't see the point of having any more than one slot (and as such, spending any money on this) at all.

What do you mean ? I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought that extra slot.
Note though that I did not spend any *money* on it - just crowns.

Crowns cost money. Ergo, items bought with crowns cost money.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

I personally found it illuminating to see how, aside from the person whose responses seem equivalent to "no u", the only noteworthy opposition to the original notion of this thread comes from people that didn't understand exactly what they'd get for the amount of crowns and the people that didn't see the point of having any more than one slot (and as such, spending any money on this) at all.

What do you mean ? I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought that extra slot.
Note though that I did not spend any *money* on it - just crowns.

Crowns cost money. Ergo, items bought with crowns cost money.

Nope.
ESO+ crowns cost no extra money. Or, better said, they do not bring ZOS any extra income.

You see, my issue with all those whiners and lesson givers is that they don't even know what they're talking about, they have no idea of the variety of wishes, priorities, playing and consuming behaviours of the global ESO playerbase - yet pretend they know right from wrong.
If you think outfit slots are too expensive - don't buy them. Noone forces you to. Anything else is in ZOS' hands, for better or worse (but it's better off in their hands than in yours).

heaven13

@anitajoneb17_ESO - out of curiosity, why is it that you are so incredibly defensive about this pricing? We get that you don't mind it and have, in your words, purchased them knowing what you were getting and plan to purchase more. That seems good enough to comment and leave at that, but it's like you have this particular thread tagged and feel the need to argue with anyone that posts in it; whether they say they don't like it, or make a hypothesis that ZOS could sell more at a better price, etc.

You're generally fairly laid back and chill but there's something about this thread that has you seriously up in arms and I'm honestly not sure why. Does it bother you that much that so many people do not agree with ZOS on this? Just as you are entitled to your opinion and can spend your money subscription crowns however you want, everyone else is entitled to their opinions as well. It might not be your intention to be so combative, but that's how it's coming across.

Velaethia

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miyaza wrote: »

I personally found it illuminating to see how, aside from the person whose responses seem equivalent to "no u", the only noteworthy opposition to the original notion of this thread comes from people that didn't understand exactly what they'd get for the amount of crowns and the people that didn't see the point of having any more than one slot (and as such, spending any money on this) at all.

What do you mean ? I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought that extra slot.
Note though that I did not spend any *money* on it - just crowns.

Well your 1 in a million sir. Congratulations. But all the information I've gathered suggests your in the minority.

Do you know how statistics work? The forums can be a very good indication to how the general populous feel. A small sample pool can be indication of larger pool. Most topics like this are controversial even on the forums but so far it seems that 9 out of 10 forum goers are irritated by this.

Are you really against the price being reduced or it being made account bound? Cause that purely benefits you with absolutely no deterrent so even if you don't think it's over-priced (Objectively it is). There is not reason to be against the price being reduced because that means you have more crowns to spend on other things.

I think I've only ever bought crowns once. All my other crowns come from a sub. Even then at that price it's way to much. It's insane. $15 for a single outfit slot and or 1 months of subscription. I'm sorry but not gonna pay the same price as a character slot (which is pretty expensive compared to other games as well) for one outfit slot on one character. It's not worth it. And in fact the pricing of it has decreased customer loyalty in me. It gave me a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to ZoS which makes me less likely to buy products from them in the future.

You are literally 1 of 3 people I've met who've actually bought the outfit slots knowing what they were getting into. Most of the people who bought it were tricked because there is absolutely no warning like on other items that this service is character specific. It's bullcrap, scam plain and simple. You can be a ZoS white knight and waste your crowns on an overly priced product all you want but that makes you the fool, not us.

Velaethia

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Crowns cost money. Ergo, items bought with crowns cost money.[/quote]

Nope.
ESO+ crowns cost no extra money. Or, better said, they do not bring ZOS any extra income.

You see, my issue with all those whiners and lesson givers is that they don't even know what they're talking about, they have no idea of the variety of wishes, priorities, playing and consuming behaviours of the global ESO playerbase - yet pretend they know right from wrong.
If you think outfit slots are too expensive - don't buy them. Noone forces you to. Anything else is in ZOS' hands, for better or worse (but it's better off in their hands than in yours).

[/quote]

Dude... it's part of the subscription... so yes... it does cost money. $15 for 1,500 crowns a month and several other bonuses. That's what we're paying for.

I do think the slots are too expensive. So I haven't bought them. At this price I doubt I ever will unless they give me a free 20,000 crowns and I run out of things to buy. It's not worth it.

The problem is it's not as simple as "Don't like it don't buy it". I love the feature, but the price is to bad to compensate for how good the feature it is. As awesome as the outfit system is the "Worth" factor is currently bellow the price threshold to buy it for me, and many others. Every item in the world digital or otherwise has a value of need (or want) versus cost. The want can be ridiculously high but if the cost proceeds above that want than the item in question is not going to be obtained because it is not considered worth it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Velaethia wrote: »

You are literally 1 of 3 people I've met who've actually bought the outfit slots knowing what they were getting into. Most of the people who bought it were tricked because there is absolutely no warning like on other items that this service is character specific. It's bullcrap, scam plain and simple. You can be a ZoS white knight and waste your crowns on an overly priced product all you want but that makes you the fool, not us.

See ? That's exactly what triggers me in your attitude and this thread in general.
- The "people you've met" are NOT necessarily representative of the player base ! We have bias in the way we group and socialize in the game just like in real life, and group up with "people like us" in general, therefore our groups are not representative of everyone.
- Why is it that in your eyes everyone not blindly bashing ZOS is "white-knighting" ? How is that an argument of any rationality ? Besides, I'm not even defending ZOS, just stating that if you don't like the offer, don't buy.
- Who are you to say that MY way of spending MY crowns is a waste ?
- If you think that whining here about the price of crown store items and believing that ZOS will bow to your pseudo-threats of not buying, then you are the fool, not me. I am just a healthy customer who makes healthy, conscious decisions and doesn't complain 24/7.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Velaethia wrote: »

Dude... it's part of the subscription... so yes... it does cost money. $15 for 1,500 crowns a month and several other bonuses. That's what we're paying for.

No, I pay for a crafting bag and I get 1500 crowns as a bonus. Those crowns are "free" in my view. But that wasn't the point. The point is that if I don't buy any further crowns than those that I get with ESO+, that means that, regardless on which item I spend them on in the store, ZOS isn't going to make any extra penny out of me.

Velaethia wrote: »

I do think the slots are too expensive. So I haven't bought them. At this price I doubt I ever will unless they give me a free 20,000 crowns and I run out of things to buy. It's not worth it.

Fine. Your choice. Good choice.
Is that enough a reason for ZOS to lower the prices ? Just because YOU won't buy at that price ?

Velaethia wrote: »

The problem is it's not as simple as "Don't like it don't buy it".

It is as simple as that though.

Velaethia wrote: »

The problem is it's not as simple as "Don't like it don't buy it". I love the feature, but the price is to bad to compensate for how good the feature it is. As awesome as the outfit system is the "Worth" factor is currently bellow the price threshold to buy it for me, and many others. Every item in the world digital or otherwise has a value of need (or want) versus cost. The want can be ridiculously high but if the cost proceeds above that want than the item in question is not going to be obtained because it is not considered worth it.

All that reasoning may be valid for YOU and that's okay. But generalizing it blindly to "many people" or even "everyone" shows that you're just... wishing slots were cheaper so you would buy them. That's all, really.

heaven13

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

You are literally 1 of 3 people I've met who've actually bought the outfit slots knowing what they were getting into. Most of the people who bought it were tricked because there is absolutely no warning like on other items that this service is character specific. It's bullcrap, scam plain and simple. You can be a ZoS white knight and waste your crowns on an overly priced product all you want but that makes you the fool, not us.

See ? That's exactly what triggers me in your attitude and this thread in general.
- The "people you've met" are NOT necessarily representative of the player base ! We have bias in the way we group and socialize in the game just like in real life, and group up with "people like us" in general, therefore our groups are not representative of everyone.
- Why is it that in your eyes everyone not blindly bashing ZOS is "white-knighting" ? How is that an argument of any rationality ? Besides, I'm not even defending ZOS, just stating that if you don't like the offer, don't buy.
- Who are you to say that MY way of spending MY crowns is a waste ?
- If you think that whining here about the price of crown store items and believing that ZOS will bow to your pseudo-threats of not buying, then you are the fool, not me. I am just a healthy customer who makes healthy, conscious decisions and doesn't complain 24/7.

I'm just responding to the part in your comment I bolded...
Making your dissatisfaction known DOES work. Maybe not always but, as seen with the Pyandonean motif, sometimes people's complaints can make a difference.

Going off an earlier statement...yes we know that PTS prices are not set in stone. Otherwise everyone would be raging about everything not being 1 crown. So the question is why would ZOS give something an actual price on PTS if not for testing? And the feedback they received at 350 crowns was "this is more expensive than desired, but could be stomached". Then ZOS went and more than quadrupled the price and NEVER put a notice on it in the game store that it was character not accountwide. So yes, people are unhappy and they're going to be vocal about it.

Assuming that expressing your displeasure is always futile and that you should accept whatever marketing/pricing companies put out without question is absolutely, factually incorrect. You're not guaranteed a change, but change is certainly more possible than sitting in silence. So I would suggest perhaps debate without mud-slinging, including calling people fools for voicing their opinions and implying that doing so means they're incapable of "healthy decisions".

Velaethia

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

Dude... it's part of the subscription... so yes... it does cost money. $15 for 1,500 crowns a month and several other bonuses. That's what we're paying for.

No, I pay for a crafting bag and I get 1500 crowns as a bonus. Those crowns are "free" in my view. But that wasn't the point. The point is that if I don't buy any further crowns than those that I get with ESO+, that means that, regardless on which item I spend them on in the store, ZOS isn't going to make any extra penny out of me.

Velaethia wrote: »

I do think the slots are too expensive. So I haven't bought them. At this price I doubt I ever will unless they give me a free 20,000 crowns and I run out of things to buy. It's not worth it.

Fine. Your choice. Good choice.
Is that enough a reason for ZOS to lower the prices ? Just because YOU won't buy at that price ?

Velaethia wrote: »

The problem is it's not as simple as "Don't like it don't buy it".

It is as simple as that though.

Velaethia wrote: »

The problem is it's not as simple as "Don't like it don't buy it". I love the feature, but the price is to bad to compensate for how good the feature it is. As awesome as the outfit system is the "Worth" factor is currently bellow the price threshold to buy it for me, and many others. Every item in the world digital or otherwise has a value of need (or want) versus cost. The want can be ridiculously high but if the cost proceeds above that want than the item in question is not going to be obtained because it is not considered worth it.

All that reasoning may be valid for YOU and that's okay. But generalizing it blindly to "many people" or even "everyone" shows that you're just... wishing slots were cheaper so you would buy them. That's all, really.

You seem to think the majority of people are cool with the pricing. Do you have any more evidence of that than I have evidence of the contrary? I may not possess raw empirical data. But I do have first hand experience. These forums, everyone I've talked to in game (Many of whom I disagree with on a lot of things). Not just to guilds. But people in dungeons, or just running around. I may not have asked every single player but I'm certainly hearing from considerably more then just my "inner" circle on the topic. It's been commonly brought up in the various zone chats and it tends to be disfavoured. I may not have raw empirical data but I have sufficient evidence to suggest my viewpoint is more popular than yours. I can only work with the numbers I have access to. Those numbers could be wrong. But until something contradicts them I have no reason to believe them to be so.

Also as I said. Capitalism is symbiotic. Many companies fall for this trap of "predatory" sales. In which they sell things or offer services for ridiculous prices because obviously if they charge more for it, they make more money. But it's a very short-sighted goal. There is no limits to digital items. Such as the slots. They can generate infinite of them. In fact game code wise all your doing is paying for the "NO" to say "YES" when it comes to a particular outfit slot. That's it. It's actual raw value would by like 3 cents if that and that's only because of the work going into making the system in the first place. The cheaper an item the more likely it is to sell. That's economics 101. Now if this product costs nothing to produce and you can produce it infinitely there is little reason to sell it at an insane price. There are only 2 reasons I can think of. A: They believe they can get away with it. (This thread is under that assumption and trying to convince them otherwise) or B: They want to limit access to it in someway. A seems much more likely although I have heard theories that it's so expensive because they didn't want it to replace costumes. Which is ridiculous but w/e.

Also when compared to the competitors. The game with the closest system to the outfit system is SWTOR and sells their slots account wide for like 5 bucks if I remember correctly. Versus the $15 for one of them for one character. As others have said it could cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to buy all the slots for all your characters. If you cannot see how that's over-priced then you are insane.

You can say the main motivation for you personally for ESO+ is whatever you want. But the crowns aren't "Free" they're part of the bundle of benefits that come with a subscription. You still have to spend that $15 regardless in order to obtain the crowns. So you still have to pay $15 per slot, per character. You can argue it doesn't actually cost that but that's irrelevant because in practise it does require that amount of money to be spent somehow or another. You can buy one slot per character per months. That's very slow. If you're one of those players who only play one character that might be fine for you. You'd have all your slots in less than a year. But if you have 8-10 characters (2 for every class, what I have). Then it'd take countless years to get the slots unlocked on all your characters. That is ridiculous plain and simple.

This isn't "whining" this is a criticism that we as consumers have towards these outlandish prices. If Mcdonalds started selling their mcdoubles for $15 how well do you think that'd go over? That 1500% higher then the current price (It's probably more than $1 now it's been awhile since I've eaten at mcdonalds). That's the same price difference of a single slot on a single character in SWTOR versus the same thing on ESO. "Oh but they're different games, so it doesn't count. You can't get an ESO outfit slot in SWTOR!" Yes, and burger king is a different fast food restaurant. You can't get a mcdouble at burger king yet it's still a direct competitor and they sell similar food. SWTOR and ESO sell a similar gaming experience. The exact gameplay, the lore, and setting might be different but it's in the same genre as MMO.

"If you like SWTOR system so much better than why don't you go play SWTOR" That's exactly my point. With insane prices people are going to just switch over to a competitor. Not everyone. But if something *is* disliked enough it could be substantial impact on finances. Saying "If you don't like it go somewhere else" is not a healthy business practice and companies have gone out of business from it. If people are dissatisfied with a company they may switch to another. For example I refuse to use apple products. I'm not going to go into why here as that's off topic. But let's just say some of their business practices have lost me as a costumer. People don't trust EA anymore because of how many times they ruined games. Especially games with great potentially that was poisoned by EA.

The point of the matter, and this thread is to show dissatisfaction and criticise the decision as is our rights as paying customers. It's also to gauge if other people are having similar dissatisfaction. Which this thread clearly proved there is. We might not be in the majority. It's very well possible we're a minority. But we still exists and we still count. I can imagine very few people actually complaining if they lowered the price even if they're fine with it how it is. This thread has proposed how it'd be logical to lower the price. We may not know their intimate financial records but we can summarise with a basic knowledge of economics that they're likely to make more money by decreasing the price AND they will increase customer loyalty by providing a service as a reasonable price.

It also comes down to a problem of morality and greed. In all things balance. A corporation can still make money without being needlessly money hungry. Destroying customer loyalty for the sake of a few extra bucks (See EA) can cause extensive long term damage to a company and it's future profits. Everyone knows that customer loyalty is an integral part of functioning capitalism. It's better to make less money right now, but ensure loyalty and long-term existence and profits than to worry about the quickest easiest buck. It's about playing the long game.

Even if ZoS had considered the long game and still decided that this pricing was more beneficial it has tainted ZoS relations with at least a portion of their customers. How much? We have no empirical data. But Even if it's only 1,000* people who are upset about that. They might tell their friends or family who might've been interested in the game "Don't bother, ZoS overprices things". Which then reduces the chances getting more customers. It creates a ripple effect that can lose a lot more money than that which is lost by those 1,000* people.

While the opposite of that is forging customer loyalty through fair practices and prices which will cause customers to praise the company to friends or family. INCREASING the chances of getting more customers. Creating a positive version of that ripple effect rather then negative. Seriously the pricing on some of the crown store items, and the existence of crown crates are the only 2 major negatives I have with ESO. I enjoy this game. But that enjoyment is somewhat lessened when I feel unable to access certain content, or features do to pricing restrictions.