1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

Morgul667

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

750 per character per slot. $7.50. Is still way to expensive. The most I'd ever concede with is 500 and even that's stupid high.

I'm half expecting the bait and switch. They ask us for 1500 crowns because it makes 750 or even 500 seem reasonable by comparison.

This is actually working based on one of our brain psychological mechanism

Morgul667

Still not buying anyway, way too high

Wayshuba

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Velaethia wrote: »

750 per character per slot. $7.50. Is still way to expensive. The most I'd ever concede with is 500 and even that's stupid high.

I'm half expecting the bait and switch. They ask us for 1500 crowns because it makes 750 or even 500 seem reasonable by comparison.

Except the bar people are comparing outfit slots to is what they can buy them for in other MMOs (less than a dollar), not the ludicrous price they were set at in ESO to begin with.

Elsonso

Morgul667 wrote: »

Still not buying anyway, way too high

Agreed. I am not seeing how this actually changes anything.

Stewart1874

Currently wrestling with it. I have 3000 crowns, I won't buy crowns directly and rely on the 1500 a month. I could buy 1 spot and still have 3000+ to spunk on crown crates (Once my May sub goes through) when they update following Summerset.

Decisions, decisions..

Just a wee note:

The actual offerings in this game are *** pathetic. was looking at storage crates, 200k Telvar stones..

*Breathes*

I need to not focus on this crap because if I do I'm leaving and not coming back. These practises by ZOS are woefully transparent and utterly, utterly pathetic.

Can we charge for it? - Yes

Should we charge for it? - No

Compromise! *implements disgusting grind*, Highfive guys we're so player friendly *Savage back patting all round*

(50K would be reasonable).

Asha_11_ESO

I nearly went to buy a couple of the outfit slots, being that they're currently on sale. Luckily I thought I'd check to see if it unlocked each extra outfit account wide.

It's an utter rip off.

Come on ZOS. Please stop with the exorbitant prices for what is essentially data/pixels.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Asha_11_ESO wrote: »

Please stop with the exorbitant prices for what is essentially data/pixels.

That's probably the least valid argument of all.
The whole game is essentially just data/pixels.
All video games are essentially just data/pixels.
The entire internet is essentially just data/pixels.
A huge succession of binary data, a combination of "0" and "1"

How do you think these "data/pixels" turn out to be an enjoyable occupation for most of us ? If not for the huge work and creativity of the people who design and code it ? Don't you think it's fair to pay for that work ?
I know, you'll say "but it's only cosmetics so it's too expensive" => remember in this business model cosmetics are the items that pay for all of us to enjoy the non-cosmetic, "true" content (zones, quests, challenges, etc.) for very, very cheap.

I understand that you don't want to pay a price which you consider too high (that's ok) but the "it's only data/pixels" part of the argumentation isn't a valid one.

Morgha_Kul

I saw the slots were on sale for 750 recently. I hadn't noticed that, and thought I should comment.

In my mind, 750 is still expensive, but an acceptable price for an Outfit slot. My thinking is this:

A Costume will cost anywhere from 500-1000 crowns. This unlocks for the whole account. Costumes are static, however.
An Outfit slot would cost 750 (which is in that range). It would only unlock for ONE CHARACTER, but it is variable, making it more useful overall.

Thus, I consider 750 to be not unreasonable. I still think Outfit slots should be account wide, but 750 seems reasonable even as a single character unlock.

Velaethia

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I saw the slots were on sale for 750 recently. I hadn't noticed that, and thought I should comment.

In my mind, 750 is still expensive, but an acceptable price for an Outfit slot. My thinking is this:

A Costume will cost anywhere from 500-1000 crowns. This unlocks for the whole account. Costumes are static, however.
An Outfit slot would cost 750 (which is in that range). It would only unlock for ONE CHARACTER, but it is variable, making it more useful overall.

Thus, I consider 750 to be not unreasonable. I still think Outfit slots should be account wide, but 750 seems reasonable even as a single character unlock.

I disagree completely. it being "Variable" is not worth 10 times the price of a static product (if you have ten characters). I'm sorry it just isn't.

Velaethia

I'm going to report ZoS for these prices. What's ZoS in game character name?

Morgha_Kul

Velaethia wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I saw the slots were on sale for 750 recently. I hadn't noticed that, and thought I should comment.

In my mind, 750 is still expensive, but an acceptable price for an Outfit slot. My thinking is this:

A Costume will cost anywhere from 500-1000 crowns. This unlocks for the whole account. Costumes are static, however.
An Outfit slot would cost 750 (which is in that range). It would only unlock for ONE CHARACTER, but it is variable, making it more useful overall.

Thus, I consider 750 to be not unreasonable. I still think Outfit slots should be account wide, but 750 seems reasonable even as a single character unlock.

I disagree completely. it being "Variable" is not worth 10 times the price of a static product (if you have ten characters). I'm sorry it just isn't.

What I mean is, it's in keeping with the pricing of other similar items in their store. That is, a costume is around 750 on average, and has an advantage (account unlock) and a disadvantage (static look). An outfit slot, for the same price, has an advantage (variability) and a disadvantage (one character). I still think it's too expensive, but it's not as outlandish as all that.

Morgul667

Still nothing from our dear friends from Zo$ ?

logarifmik

Morgul667 wrote: »

Still nothing from our dear friends from Zo$ ?

No official response so far, but they looking for a monetization designer. I wonder if it has something to do with the ridiculous Outfit Slot price and some other questionable decisions regarding the Crown Store. Maybe previous guy was fired? Did he exist at all?

Morgul667

logarifmik wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Still nothing from our dear friends from Zo$ ?

No official response so far, but they looking for a monetization designer. I wonder if it has something to do with the ridiculous Outfit Slot price and some other questionable decisions regarding the Crown Store. Maybe previous guy was fired? Did he exist at all?

The legend says that she existed, but yeah the recent cash grab was crazy, I hope they fix it. Doubt it though

Elsonso

logarifmik wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Still nothing from our dear friends from Zo$ ?

No official response so far, but they looking for a monetization designer. I wonder if it has something to do with the ridiculous Outfit Slot price and some other questionable decisions regarding the Crown Store. Maybe previous guy was fired? Did he exist at all?

I am sure they had one. Might have been fired for selling stuff in the Crown Store too cheaply and not emphasizing Crown Crates enough. Maybe they just need more than one person. Can't have too many marketers, I always say.

Morgul667

lordrichter wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Still nothing from our dear friends from Zo$ ?

No official response so far, but they looking for a monetization designer. I wonder if it has something to do with the ridiculous Outfit Slot price and some other questionable decisions regarding the Crown Store. Maybe previous guy was fired? Did he exist at all?

"selling stuff in the Crown Store too cheaply and not emphasizing Crown Crates enough. Maybe they just need more than one person. Can't have too many marketers, I always say. "

That actually made me laugh

OlafdieWaldfee

lordrichter wrote: »

I am sure they had one. Might have been fired for selling stuff in the Crown Store too cheaply and not emphasizing Crown Crates enough. Maybe they just need more than one person. Can't have too many marketers, I always say.

Of course you need more than one! Clowns travel in packs.

OrdoHermetica

lordrichter wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Still nothing from our dear friends from Zo$ ?

No official response so far, but they looking for a monetization designer. I wonder if it has something to do with the ridiculous Outfit Slot price and some other questionable decisions regarding the Crown Store. Maybe previous guy was fired? Did he exist at all?

I am sure they had one. Might have been fired for selling stuff in the Crown Store too cheaply and not emphasizing Crown Crates enough. Maybe they just need more than one person. Can't have too many marketers, I always say.

Industry turning away from gambling boxes because of its negative effects on player base and community health, with an extra side of legal complications on the horizon? Incredibly expensive "microtransactions" which are totally fine because they're "just cosmetic" in a social game where appearances matter to a large portion of the community? Have no fear! ESO will stay the course and right this ship with... more marketers! Put more stuff into the Crown Store - that'll turn things around!

Ruse

I've collected a ton of motifs and I'd be willing to spend money on the costume slots to play with them. However, even the recent "sale" of 750 a slot is still way too high for a per character unlock. I was excited when the system was announced, but instead it's something I barely use. Looks like I'll be sticking with my one free slot per character for the foreseeable future.

Mavor

Considering that many (if not most, that have a cosmetic feature) MMO's allow costume *changes* for free, while charging for more slots - I'd be ok with at least having account wide slots OR free (or drastically reduced price) style/dye changes. As it stands, with costs across the board - I will not be utilizing this system beyond its base capacity. Its simply far too expensive both in and out of game.

I could accept character bound outfit slots if the style changes were free/much, much cheaper (dyeing should always be free, period) - and I think could accept the gold fee for the style changes if the slots were account-wide. I cannot accept both.

If you ask me, style changes should be a flat fee of ~200g per piece, regardless of motif - and *dyeing should always be free* - specially if you are an ESO+ member.

exiars10

Look from the bright side - on the one year anniversary or even before for holidays, time limited offer at 75% off for just 375 crowns!*

It's industry practice - capture whales immidiately and later start sell it at discount for everybody else.

Another thing - just three months later after introduction, discount is already at -50% and in video gaming industry when you quickly discount your product it means it bombed - hard.

*Just like they did with TG and DB DLC (75% off at 500 crowns).

srfrogg23

On the plus side, individual outfits can be modified with in game gold. I have yet to be tempted to purchase an additional outfit slot. The free slot everyone gets seems to work just fine.

OrdoHermetica

srfrogg23 wrote: »

On the plus side, individual outfits can be modified with in game gold. I have yet to be tempted to purchase an additional outfit slot. The free slot everyone gets seems to work just fine.

Yeah, I definitely use them all. And if you have a character that only uses one gear setup, one slot is plenty. But it gets tricky if you have a toon that uses a variety of gear setups. For example, my off-tank uses a number of backbar weapons depending on situation - literally everything but dual wield, in fact - so I'd need to have 4 additional slots if I wanted all of my weapons to match my outfit style. More if I ever wanted to use something other than a S+B frontbar, which I occasionally do (mainly while solo questing). So that's at least $75 right there.

My main, meanwhile, uses 2H/Bow for overland questing and PvP, S+B/2H for tanking random normals, and DW/Bow for vet content. I also swap between medium and heavy armor depending on whether I'm in PvE or PvP, so I either have to make all my armor look like heavy or medium armor, which is kinda disappointing, or I need to buy another slot per armor and weapon combo. At least another $30 there, potentially quite a bit more.

And that's just two characters. Out of 15.

dodgehopper_ESO

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

the slot also only applies to one character right?
if it is 1500 then it should apply to all characters. otherwise, hell no bye.

iirc it is account wide

It's not. It only applies to the character you're on when you bought it.

It's stupid. Completely stupid. At that functionality, it's worth 500 crowns, tops.

Now if it applies to all characters instead, I'd gladly pay 2000 crowns for it.

wow okay that seems insane...1500 account wide i think is expensive but the usual zos expensive....but 1500 per character is absolutly nuts...

but eso for some stupid reason has always been insanely ALT unfriendly

I discovered this today. That will be the first and last outfit slot I buy unless they decide to go account wide. Outfit slots aren't that important to me.

Yzalirk

I like how they put outfit slots on sale again but did not make them account wide. Does ZOS think we are stupid enough to buy them?

heaven13

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

the slot also only applies to one character right?
if it is 1500 then it should apply to all characters. otherwise, hell no bye.

iirc it is account wide

It's not. It only applies to the character you're on when you bought it.

It's stupid. Completely stupid. At that functionality, it's worth 500 crowns, tops.

Now if it applies to all characters instead, I'd gladly pay 2000 crowns for it.

wow okay that seems insane...1500 account wide i think is expensive but the usual zos expensive....but 1500 per character is absolutly nuts...

but eso for some stupid reason has always been insanely ALT unfriendly

I discovered this today. That will be the first and last outfit slot I buy unless they decide to go account wide. Outfit slots aren't that important to me.

If you're unhappy because you didn't know before you bought the slot (afaik there's still nothing in the in-game tooltip to indicate it's character only), I would contact support and request a refund.

Xepla

Yzalirk wrote: »

I like how they put outfit slots on sale again but did not make them account wide. Does ZOS think we are stupid enough to buy them?

I doubt they will ever be made account wide. If they did, all the people who bought full slots would riot.

dodgehopper_ESO

heaven13 wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

the slot also only applies to one character right?
if it is 1500 then it should apply to all characters. otherwise, hell no bye.

iirc it is account wide

It's not. It only applies to the character you're on when you bought it.

It's stupid. Completely stupid. At that functionality, it's worth 500 crowns, tops.

Now if it applies to all characters instead, I'd gladly pay 2000 crowns for it.

wow okay that seems insane...1500 account wide i think is expensive but the usual zos expensive....but 1500 per character is absolutly nuts...

but eso for some stupid reason has always been insanely ALT unfriendly

I discovered this today. That will be the first and last outfit slot I buy unless they decide to go account wide. Outfit slots aren't that important to me.

If you're unhappy because you didn't know before you bought the slot (afaik there's still nothing in the in-game tooltip to indicate it's character only), I would contact support and request a refund.

It has been so hard getting more serious problems I wanted to ticket for, I'm not going to waste it on nitpicking over a couple of bucks. I agree this is a bad choice on their part but they'll probably defend their point of view, and the customer support will likely be from another country where they barely understand English and were given a very specific set of rules on how to deal with me. I'll live with the choice and just not make the mistake again. Besides I've dealt with the customer support before. I was shocked when Thieves Guild didn't carry over on EU and US. Surprise surprise it still doesn't.

MajesticHaruki

Outfit slots still overpriced and character bound? Damn I ll revisit this thread next month. Zos get your beep together.

heaven13

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

the slot also only applies to one character right?
if it is 1500 then it should apply to all characters. otherwise, hell no bye.

iirc it is account wide

It's not. It only applies to the character you're on when you bought it.

It's stupid. Completely stupid. At that functionality, it's worth 500 crowns, tops.

Now if it applies to all characters instead, I'd gladly pay 2000 crowns for it.

wow okay that seems insane...1500 account wide i think is expensive but the usual zos expensive....but 1500 per character is absolutly nuts...

but eso for some stupid reason has always been insanely ALT unfriendly

I discovered this today. That will be the first and last outfit slot I buy unless they decide to go account wide. Outfit slots aren't that important to me.

If you're unhappy because you didn't know before you bought the slot (afaik there's still nothing in the in-game tooltip to indicate it's character only), I would contact support and request a refund.

It has been so hard getting more serious problems I wanted to ticket for, I'm not going to waste it on nitpicking over a couple of bucks. I agree this is a bad choice on their part but they'll probably defend their point of view, and the customer support will likely be from another country where they barely understand English and were given a very specific set of rules on how to deal with me. I'll live with the choice and just not make the mistake again. Besides I've dealt with the customer support before. I was shocked when Thieves Guild didn't carry over on EU and US. Surprise surprise it still doesn't.

I've actually had really great experiences with customer support. I do tend to go in with an open mind where I don't expect much, so I'm always pleasantly surprised.

That said, of course it is up to you whether you want to deal with it or think it's worth reaching out.

(I do agree about the US/EU stuff - crown balance carries on both and goes down on both if you buy something on one, so purchases should absolutely be cross-server and it irks me that it doesn't)