MAGPLAR PVP build advice.

TheDoomsdayMonster

SugaComa wrote: »

Here's the problem ... Magblades have cloak, it's on there skill line and it helps ... Templars "have" to go to another skill line to get help in the form of mist ... However for some of us like me ... Mist form doesn't offer anything when we get rooted and flame lashed spam to death ... In fact due to being a vampire i die faster


Since ditching the vampire I survive way more ... But I'm instead missing a much more vital skill ...drain

As a Templar there is no native stun for when you get a few people on you to help you either finish one of them or escape for a breather

Templar would be in a much better place if we had a stun or root ability native to us, or even a fear

We need to stop being reliant on vampire skills to make up for our own deficiencies

I definitely agree with you about Invigorating Drain...

That skill is absolutely amazing and its almost as valuable to me as Elusive Mist is...

Checkmath

I often use accelerating drain in open world pvp for minor expedition. It also stacks with mistform, so super fast kiting around rocks or inside towers is possible. ^^

Dudis

I still usually run Mistform on my templar in Cyrodiil, mainly to be able to get to cover if I'm caught in the open.

I almost never play my templar anymore though, and the reson for this is all the micro managment of buffs that you have to do to play effectively.

- 2x auras - both absolutely mandatory and presonally i dont mind them
- Vamps Bane - Could use Magelight, but i feel the damage is worth more and the skill is alright to use, so meh...
- Entropy - Never liked this on any of my chars, wasted spot imo, but i do love my tri-pots on my templar
- Purifying Light - Hate this with a passion, makes playing my templar feel very clunky

When at least half of the abilities on your bar are just buffs you need to keep up, things are way out of whack imo. I'm honestly thinking of removing Purifying Light from my bars and pretend it doesnt exist, just to make the class more fun again.

I'm not even sure what i would run instead, probably a gapcloser to make the the playstyle more mobile and again - fun.

Xsorus

Joy_Division wrote: »

What I've settled on:

5 Wizard's (use 2 swords)
5 Overwhelming
2 Skoria
2 Asylum Sword and Board

Damage is steady and constant, with lots of random bursts. Even get enough KBs to look impressive on a BGs final tally.

I think the issue with templars is not what gear they run, but their skills. This is the only class whose skills do not fit all situations and actually work against each other rather than having any synergy between them. Example: Eclipse, Javelin, and Sweeps are all at cross purposes with each other. If you javelin, the Eclipse wont work and the target gets knocked out of range of your Sweeps. No other class has to worry about such nonesnse.

With that in mind, I bar:

Charge, Sweeps, Total Dark, Reflective light, Purifying Light [Dawnbreaker]
Defensive Posture, Channeled Focus, Extended Ritual, Honor the Dead, Structured entropy [Bats]

I don;t use Mist Form because I think Blobsky is right about that skill. There are 2 or 3 times a night I think back and say Mist Form could have prevented me from dying. But it's just that, 2 or 3 times a night. In every other fight, Defensive Posture is making me a more effective combatant. Plus, you will become a better player by forcing yourself to fight in difficult situations rather than just misting away.

I run the same setup, but VMA Restro Staff instead on back bar....The setup is just to damn good for damage in my opinion.

Xsorus

I'd like to use Mistform on my Magicka Templar

But you know what I dislike? Being a Vampire and getting *** by Random Magicka DKs ..hence no Vampire lol

TheDoomsdayMonster

Xsorus wrote: »

I'd like to use Mistform on my Magicka Templar

But you know what I dislike? Being a Vampire and getting *** by Random Magicka DKs ..hence no Vampire lol

You know, Magicka Dragon Knights used to be my worse nightmare, but ever since I revamped my character, they simply cant kill me 1v1, and that's with me being a Stage 4 Vampire at all times...

You can definitely deal with their constant fire damage with the right build...

Ashamray

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'd like to use Mistform on my Magicka Templar

But you know what I dislike? Being a Vampire and getting *** by Random Magicka DKs ..hence no Vampire lol

You know, Magicka Dragon Knights used to be my worse nightmare, but ever since I revamped my character, they simply cant kill me 1v1, and that's with me being a Stage 4 Vampire at all times...

You can definitely deal with their constant fire damage with the right build...

it's not like you can't, ofc it is doable. Thing is that giving free 25% damage increase to a good magicka DK against you is very, very nasty.

Neoauspex

I was on a flag in Imperial City the other day with a random other solo player, and a group of three reds started fighting some NPCs nearby. I thought, "the two of us can take em" so I headed towards them hoping my ally would follow.

But that punk "repositioned".

Brutusmax1mus

Neoauspex wrote: »

I was on a flag in Imperial City the other day with a random other solo player, and a group of three reds started fighting some NPCs nearby. I thought, "the two of us can take em" so I headed towards them hoping my ally would follow.

But that punk "repositioned".

Sounds like they doubted your capabilities... jk

Minno

Neoauspex wrote: »

I was on a flag in Imperial City the other day with a random other solo player, and a group of three reds started fighting some NPCs nearby. I thought, "the two of us can take em" so I headed towards them hoping my ally would follow.

But that punk "repositioned".

Lol I feel your pain.

Neoauspex

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Sounds like they doubted your capabilities... jk

They were probably like "Templar, hmm... I'm not going into battle with that glitchy mf"

Datolite

So I'm making the switch back to magplar soon on my main. I'm considering the following build for BG:

5/1/1 light
5 Riposte
5 Overwhelming
2 Skoria or Zaan
Mostly impen cause squishy
Duel wield front bar, SnB back bar
Witches brew and Tri-pots
Melee build with enough mag regen to spam heal while waiting for procs to break the ice.

I can't decide which monster set to use. This is already going to be DPS heavy and I might be forced to use something more defensive like Chudan or Troll King or Pirate. But then again, they say the best defense...

Any thoughts?

Edit: here is the link http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=50887

Added Empowering Sweep for an extra cheap 15%+ damage reduction cause I won't need the burst with Zaan.

Brutusmax1mus

Use skoria. It's synergy with surge and procing defensively is outstanding

Datolite

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Use skoria. It's synergy with surge and procing defensively is outstanding

That's what I was thinking. The damage from Zaan is insane, but it requires light attack procs and sweeps is a long time between attacks... Skoria seems to be winning so far.

LegendaryMage

50% spell crit + grothdar + devouring swarm is so sweet when diving into groups.

Datolite

See, I'm trying to avoid vampire. It's gimping me a bit but I'm pretty stubborn about this...

Baz

Skoria is the best option.
You can also replace Riposte by Transmutation & Skoria by Thurvokun if you are on a group.
Bloodspawn is a good option as you don't have a lot of stamina with Witchmother.
Grothdarr is good option for the games where it's general scrum (Chaosball/Deathmatch & the first 5min of Crazy King)

Here is my version of this set-up I run since a while now :
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=33231
I'm using Lingering + speed pots & Escapist Poison on my resto staff. Mobility is the key in BGs

Edit : On the Build Editor, don't disable CPs, it *** up your crit value, tooltips values & skill costs, let the "Enabled CP" active, just don't allocate them

Datolite

Baz wrote: »

Skoria is the best option.
You can also replace Riposte by Transmutation & Skoria by Thurvokun if you are on a group.
Bloodspawn is a good option as you don't have a lot of stamina with Witchmother.
Grothdarr is good option for the games where it's general scrum (Chaosball/Deathmatch & the first 5min of Crazy King)

Here is my version of this set-up I run since a while now :
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=33231
I'm using Lingering + speed pots & Escapist Poison on my resto staff. Mobility is the key in BGs

Edit : On the Build Editor, don't disable CPs, it *** up your crit value, tooltips values & skill costs, let the "Enabled CP" active, just don't allocate them

You must rely a lot on heavy attacks with such a blow to mag regen. But I agree, I'm looking for ways to get major expedition, even had me considering retreating maneuver lol. I don't want ot drop the shield though, so mag pots are necessary.

I definitely have Bloodspawn and Grothdarr both golded out and ready for swapping, I love those sets.

BTW thanks for the heads up about the CP thing. I was wondering why my crit was so high...

SugaComa

5 wizard riposte, 5 transmutations ,2 skoria

Sword n board
Dual wield

Both sets on both bars

All impen

Witches brew

Ritual of retribution will proc transmute and skoria for your self

Use purifying light on enemies at a distance, use twice to proc transmutation on team mates not in the healing retribution circle

Keep one on the defence bar one on the offence bar ... Be a hero to your team

Smithernest54

Block cast Breath of Life!

Baz

I don't rely that much on HA since i'm a breton and the vMA staff is a fantastic tool ^^ Sure, sometimes I need to do some (don't forget it procs Skoria ) during long fight, but BGs are most of the time fast paced, I adapted this build for it. (And I have Tripots & Immov pots if I really need ressources)
You just need to track Major Ward or Resolve to know when you don't benefit anymore the return magicka from the channeled focus, keep Rapid Regen up on your team and you are good.

Minno

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

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Baz wrote: »

Skoria is the best option.
You can also replace Riposte by Transmutation & Skoria by Thurvokun if you are on a group.
Bloodspawn is a good option as you don't have a lot of stamina with Witchmother.
Grothdarr is good option for the games where it's general scrum (Chaosball/Deathmatch & the first 5min of Crazy King)

Here is my version of this set-up I run since a while now :
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=33231
I'm using Lingering + speed pots & Escapist Poison on my resto staff. Mobility is the key in BGs

Edit : On the Build Editor, don't disable CPs, it *** up your crit value, tooltips values & skill costs, let the "Enabled CP" active, just don't allocate them

You must rely a lot on heavy attacks with such a blow to mag regen. But I agree, I'm looking for ways to get major expedition, even had me considering retreating maneuver lol. I don't want ot drop the shield though, so mag pots are necessary.

I definitely have Bloodspawn and Grothdarr both golded out and ready for swapping, I love those sets.

BTW thanks for the heads up about the CP thing. I was wondering why my crit was so high...

Slot smugglers. I know it isn't the sexiest of sources, but it has Regen, SD and max mag and the 5pc is back-bar-able. So you can then use any pot, maybe even spell power pots so you can remove entrophy/vamps bane and put another utility/DMG spell.

Datolite

Minno wrote: »

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datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Baz wrote: »

Skoria is the best option.
You can also replace Riposte by Transmutation & Skoria by Thurvokun if you are on a group.
Bloodspawn is a good option as you don't have a lot of stamina with Witchmother.
Grothdarr is good option for the games where it's general scrum (Chaosball/Deathmatch & the first 5min of Crazy King)

Here is my version of this set-up I run since a while now :
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=33231
I'm using Lingering + speed pots & Escapist Poison on my resto staff. Mobility is the key in BGs

Edit : On the Build Editor, don't disable CPs, it *** up your crit value, tooltips values & skill costs, let the "Enabled CP" active, just don't allocate them

You must rely a lot on heavy attacks with such a blow to mag regen. But I agree, I'm looking for ways to get major expedition, even had me considering retreating maneuver lol. I don't want ot drop the shield though, so mag pots are necessary.

I definitely have Bloodspawn and Grothdarr both golded out and ready for swapping, I love those sets.

BTW thanks for the heads up about the CP thing. I was wondering why my crit was so high...

Slot smugglers. I know it isn't the sexiest of sources, but it has Regen, SD and max mag and the 5pc is back-bar-able. So you can then use any pot, maybe even spell power pots so you can remove entrophy/vamps bane and put another utility/DMG spell.

That's pretty smart, it's very tempting. I would try this for another build but the Riposte+Empowering Sweep, and Overwhelming Surge+Skoria are the main two synergies of this build and I can't really split those up.

As you said in another thread Minno, I just gotta work on repositioning.

rikimm16_ESO

Noob MagPlar here...

Is there anything wrong wearing Riposte, Fortified Brass and Skoria?

Datolite

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Noob MagPlar here...

Is there anything wrong wearing Riposte, Fortified Brass and Skoria?

A lack of sustain and maybe damage. That's a lot of tankiness but you'll need magicka regen.

Checkmath

I would say the same...
I would choose between one of both sets, since one set makes the other set weaker than one set alone, since they are different sources of mitigation. Which means that wizards riposte actually mitigate 15% of the damage income, but also males fortified brass 15% less effective.

rikimm16_ESO

Checkmath wrote: »

I would say the same...
I would choose between one of both sets, since one set makes the other set weaker than one set alone, since they are different sources of mitigation. Which means that wizards riposte actually mitigate 15% of the damage income, but also males fortified brass 15% less effective.

I see ur point, I didn’t think about it.

Do you know what is the equivalent percentage of the incoming damage mitigation that Fortified Brass provides?

Minno

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

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Checkmath wrote: »

I would say the same...
I would choose between one of both sets, since one set makes the other set weaker than one set alone, since they are different sources of mitigation. Which means that wizards riposte actually mitigate 15% of the damage income, but also males fortified brass 15% less effective.

I see ur point, I didn’t think about it.

Do you know what is the equivalent percentage of the incoming damage mitigation that Fortified Brass provides?

Check out Tay's defensive set comparison thread in the PvP combat and skills forum section. You'll find a spread sheet that lists all the meta sets and a percentage based metric that lists all the sets that will benefit your build.

Kartalin

Light brass or riposte on their own are fine, you could choose either one of those to pair with another set and be good. Something like Lich would go nicely if you didn’t need the second 5 piece active at all times.

Akinos

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Noob MagPlar here...

Is there anything wrong wearing Riposte, Fortified Brass and Skoria?

I wore this set up often before I changed to stamplar. I was still able to kill people due to the fact I didn't have to constantly heal myself everytime I got hit. I could keep pressure on my target at all times but they couldn't do the same to me.
Theres some video of me using this build on my channel too.

*EDIT* I forgot I made a build template with these sets also. The CP is outdated but everything else should be fine.
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=41327