MAGPLAR PVP build advice.

UndeniablyAVG

Hello,

I am trying to work on a PVP build for my Magplar, I have had a look online and there seems to be a number of people running a dual wield front bar and a S&B back bar, I like the idea of this as it will allow me to run a monster set and 2 other full sets at the same time, but i'm worried about sustain issues without having a staff. Does anyone play like this, and if so do you have sustain issues?

This is the build I'm thinking:

Front Bar:
2x Shacklebreaker sword, MH Nirnhoned, OH Sharpened?

Back Bar:
Shacklebreaker sword, Nirnhoned.
Shacklebreaker shield, Reinforced.

2x Valkyn Skoria, Heavy, Impen
1x Shacklebreaker, Heavy, Impen
2x Shacklebreaker, Light, Impen
2x Rattlecage, Heavy, Impen

3x Rattlecage Jewelry, Arcane

I will probably run the Atronach to help with sustain and Witchmothers Potent Brew food.

Does this seem at all sensible for a decent PVP build?

I'm fairly new to the game and have only just started properly looking into my builds.

Cheers.

Trashs1

this build is certainly vaible

also not optimal in my thoughts

light armour passives are too desireable for letting them go... but just test it off

alexthomp92

Rattle cage ring in arcane is a nightmare to farm the cursed one is the only one you can get it from
All other end boss rattle cage rings are healthy

grannas211

Rattlecage sucks imo. Just use entropy.

gabormezo

I'm using Shackle heavy setup, and unfortunately I can't do enough damage or healing to be effective. Tried to run almost everything along with that Shackle, nothing seems to work. You just stay there, rooted, doing minimal damage, spamming BoL, and you die. Especially in BGs.

So, I've decided to switch to light armor. Gonna try Ripost along with something crafted. Maybe Julianos or Mech. Monster helm will probably would be Bloodspawn to be able to spit that cheap Sweeps constantly for damage and mitigation, and stam regen would help for my backbar to be able to block while spamming BoL.

Any advice? Will the above work?

FakeFox

I wouldn't use Rattecage on a Templar, as not enough slots is usually not that big of a deal and you can rather easily can get the buff from a skill. Better go for another set that gives you additional damage.

West93

use overwhelming surge as your damage set, 5 light.

Kartalin

In order to be able to kill opponents who are halfway decent, you should be in light armor for the penetration passive. This will also help with sustain. And I’ve never been a big fan of dw/s&b. Though it’s dependent upon your own playstyle/preferences, I like destro and sword and board much better. Having a destro equipped gives you a wider variety of skills to slot and gives you the opportunity to use heavy attacks to help sustain. Lightning is my preferred destro flavor since

With destro/sword and board, I think Transmutation, Rattlecage, and Valkyn Skoria are a nice combo if you have the arcane Rattlecage jewelry. Even blue quality arcane jewelry is better than purple healthy jewelry. The real benefit to this setup though is you only need 5 pieces of Transmutation in one bar, and for templars it’s very easy to proc the set using Ritual.

You actually can get away with only 3 pieces of Transmutation on your destro bar if you have sword and shield back bar, meaning you could use a master, maelstrom, or asylum destro instead. I’ve tried the asylum destro a bit and I feel the imperfect version is just not enough to make a big difference, though if you have a perfected version that could be viable. So instead I’d suggest if you have one a master destro could be really nice here with shock reach slotted. Your offense could be done entirely at range too, meaning you don’t have to worry about getting close to use jabs.

A suggestion for bar setup:
Destro: Crushing Shock, Shock Reach, Reflective Light, Purifying Light, Radiant Destruction, Shooting Star.
Sword and shield: Channeled Focus, Extended Ritual, Breath of Life, Elusive Mist, and your last skill and ult can be determined by your playstyle and typical group size. One needs to be an aedric spear ability though because if you do any blocking it should be on this bar. So Absorb Magic and Empowering Sweeps is an option, as is Aurora Javelin and Remembrance.

gabormezo

@Kartalin If I don't have the desire to grind, what else do you suggest to use along with Transmutation instead of Rattle (or Surge)? Something buyable or craftable perhaps?

Minno

gabormezo wrote: »

@Kartalin If I don't have the desire to grind, what else do you suggest to use along with Transmutation instead of Rattle (or Surge)? Something buyable or craftable perhaps?

Can't go wrong with Axiom. 300 extra SD for jabs/dark flare/unstable core isnt bad since its 2-3 trait req. craftable.

Brutusmax1mus

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gabormezo wrote: »

@Kartalin If I don't have the desire to grind, what else do you suggest to use along with Transmutation instead of Rattle (or Surge)? Something buyable or craftable perhaps?

Can't go wrong with Axiom. 300 extra SD for jabs/dark flare/unstable core isnt bad since its 2-3 trait req. craftable.

It's more like 200 of youre including the max mag loss isn't it? 400 and 1096 mag vs 129 and 2k mag. So about 504 vs 320.

Essentially you trade 994 mag, 994 stam, 129 stam recovery, 129 mag recovery for 184 spell damage and crit.

Minno

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Minno wrote: »

gabormezo wrote: »

@Kartalin If I don't have the desire to grind, what else do you suggest to use along with Transmutation instead of Rattle (or Surge)? Something buyable or craftable perhaps?

Can't go wrong with Axiom. 300 extra SD for jabs/dark flare/unstable core isnt bad since its 2-3 trait req. craftable.

It's more like 200 of youre including the max mag loss isn't it? 400 and 1096 mag vs 129 and 2k mag. So about 504 vs 320.

Essentially you trade 994 mag, 994 stam, 129 stam recovery, 129 mag recovery for 184 spell damage and crit.

Well, yea. I pair axiom with prisoners so i'm actually trading off 994 mag 129 raw mag recovery for 184 sd, 804 crit, 129 stam recovery + 154 stamina more than shackle with 1k mag every second through sprint. And with channeled focus/ele drain, you get around 540 extra regen, making shackle somewhat less BIS for templars.

akray21

I've been working on my magplar PvP build as well. I know I'm going to be in LA with at least one defensive set (either Wizards Reposte, or Transmutation). I also know that I'm going to go DW on my front bar and resto on back (for resource sustain as well as ulti).

The two builds I've been considering are...

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Skoria

5/1/1
5x SPC (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Bloodspawn

Brutusmax1mus

akray21 wrote: »

I've been working on my magplar PvP build as well. I know I'm going to be in LA with at least one defensive set (either Wizards Reposte, or Transmutation). I also know that I'm going to go DW on my front bar and resto on back (for resource sustain as well as ulti).

The two builds I've been considering are...

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Skoria

5/1/1
5x SPC (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Bloodspawn

You won't be able to keep 1 of those active all the time I either of the set ups with a resto and full monster.

akray21

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

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akray21 wrote: »

I've been working on my magplar PvP build as well. I know I'm going to be in LA with at least one defensive set (either Wizards Reposte, or Transmutation). I also know that I'm going to go DW on my front bar and resto on back (for resource sustain as well as ulti).

The two builds I've been considering are...

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Skoria

5/1/1
5x SPC (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Bloodspawn

You won't be able to keep 1 of those active all the time I either of the set ups with a resto and full monster.

The crit resistance from trans carries over, as does the spell power from SPC. The only set mentioned above that would have issues with uptime would be Reposte, but that will be resolved by having it alway active.

Brutusmax1mus

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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I've been working on my magplar PvP build as well. I know I'm going to be in LA with at least one defensive set (either Wizards Reposte, or Transmutation). I also know that I'm going to go DW on my front bar and resto on back (for resource sustain as well as ulti).

The two builds I've been considering are...

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Skoria

5/1/1
5x SPC (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Bloodspawn

You won't be able to keep 1 of those active all the time I either of the set ups with a resto and full monster.

The crit resistance from trans carries over, as does the spell power from SPC. The only set mentioned above that would have issues with uptime would be Reposte, but that will be resolved by having it alway active.

What I'm saying is to have transmutation back barred, a resto staff, and a full monster set, you'll have reposte on weapons. You'll also need 4 pieces of trans on body and jewelry bc you're using a staff. So 4 of the 12 front bar slots are taken up by trans, 5 (dw) with reposte, 2 monster, and 1 random. GO destro with that set up. Or you can do dw and snb and do 5 reposte, 3 trans, 2 monster, 2 willpower swords on your front bar, sword n shield trans on back bar to complete the set. That set up keeps reposte active non stop.

akray21

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akray21 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I've been working on my magplar PvP build as well. I know I'm going to be in LA with at least one defensive set (either Wizards Reposte, or Transmutation). I also know that I'm going to go DW on my front bar and resto on back (for resource sustain as well as ulti).

The two builds I've been considering are...

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Skoria

5/1/1
5x SPC (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Bloodspawn

You won't be able to keep 1 of those active all the time I either of the set ups with a resto and full monster.

The crit resistance from trans carries over, as does the spell power from SPC. The only set mentioned above that would have issues with uptime would be Reposte, but that will be resolved by having it alway active.

What I'm saying is to have transmutation back barred, a resto staff, and a full monster set, you'll have reposte on weapons. You'll also need 4 pieces of trans on body and jewelry bc you're using a staff. So 4 of the 12 front bar slots are taken up by trans, 5 (dw) with reposte, 2 monster, and 1 random. GO destro with that set up. Or you can do dw and snb and do 5 reposte, 3 trans, 2 monster, 2 willpower swords on your front bar, sword n shield trans on back bar to complete the set. That set up keeps reposte active non stop.

Sorry, I probably used the wrong term (back bar). What I mean is...

There are 12 slots. 7 body, 3 jewelry, 2 weapons.

2 (head and shoulders) are monster set
5 remaining body is Reposte
3 jewelry is all Trans
2 swords are Trans (also back bar resto)

This would make Reposte active all the time, and trans 5 piece active on front bar, but only 4 piece back bar. You can keep trans up 100% by casting extended ritual every 20 seconds while on front bar, which you'll be doing anyway.

Brutusmax1mus

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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I've been working on my magplar PvP build as well. I know I'm going to be in LA with at least one defensive set (either Wizards Reposte, or Transmutation). I also know that I'm going to go DW on my front bar and resto on back (for resource sustain as well as ulti).

The two builds I've been considering are...

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Skoria

5/1/1
5x SPC (always active)
5x Transmutation (back bar)
2x Bloodspawn

You won't be able to keep 1 of those active all the time I either of the set ups with a resto and full monster.

The crit resistance from trans carries over, as does the spell power from SPC. The only set mentioned above that would have issues with uptime would be Reposte, but that will be resolved by having it alway active.

What I'm saying is to have transmutation back barred, a resto staff, and a full monster set, you'll have reposte on weapons. You'll also need 4 pieces of trans on body and jewelry bc you're using a staff. So 4 of the 12 front bar slots are taken up by trans, 5 (dw) with reposte, 2 monster, and 1 random. GO destro with that set up. Or you can do dw and snb and do 5 reposte, 3 trans, 2 monster, 2 willpower swords on your front bar, sword n shield trans on back bar to complete the set. That set up keeps reposte active non stop.

Sorry, I probably used the wrong term (back bar). What I mean is...

There are 12 slots. 7 body, 3 jewelry, 2 weapons.

2 (head and shoulders) are monster set
5 remaining body is Reposte
3 jewelry is all Trans
2 swords are Trans (also back bar resto)

This would make Reposte active all the time, and trans 5 piece active on front bar, but only 4 piece back bar. You can keep trans up 100% by casting extended ritual every 20 seconds while on front bar, which you'll be doing anyway.

Gotcha. With those 2 sets though, you don't need a resto. Y not go dw/snb and fit willpower front?

Roaldy

Nobeey126 wrote: »

Hello,

I am trying to work on a PVP build for my Magplar, I have had a look online and there seems to be a number of people running a dual wield front bar and a S&B back bar, I like the idea of this as it will allow me to run a monster set and 2 other full sets at the same time, but i'm worried about sustain issues without having a staff. Does anyone play like this, and if so do you have sustain issues?

This is the build I'm thinking:

Front Bar:
2x Shacklebreaker sword, MH Nirnhoned, OH Sharpened?

Back Bar:
Shacklebreaker sword, Nirnhoned.
Shacklebreaker shield, Reinforced.

2x Valkyn Skoria, Heavy, Impen
1x Shacklebreaker, Heavy, Impen
2x Shacklebreaker, Light, Impen
2x Rattlecage, Heavy, Impen

3x Rattlecage Jewelry, Arcane

I will probably run the Atronach to help with sustain and Witchmothers Potent Brew food.

Does this seem at all sensible for a decent PVP build?

I'm fairly new to the game and have only just started properly looking into my builds.

Cheers.

DW/Resto i find is pretty strong for gear heavy shackle/spinners/valking is a strong set up or you can replace the shackle for duroks is also really nice.

Ecfigies

Trainee/Shackle/Skoria or Malubeth with Ghastly Eye Bowl, Potent Mother but that amount of Health it's kinda bad.

Or Shackle/Desert Rose/ Skoria

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=47886

NoFlash

Try whatever build you want, it still won't help the fact that we got our dps skills zos'd .
Sadly healer/support are the only viable thing we can run unless you're fine with the knowledge that your class is running with disadvantages then by all means, try to run a magplar pvp spec.

Drdeath20

Unfortunately magplars are inferior in dps. I like off builds on them bcz i can catch good players off guard.

5 rattlecage, 5 overwhelming 2 skoria. Sword and board and destro while wearing 7 light.

Having no worries about major sorcery is a necessity. Entropy is not up to snuff. Its potions or rattlecage.

Brutusmax1mus

Rattle cage is gimping yourself. Trans/ reposte/ willpower front bar / skoria or blood spawn, tristat everything except shield on back bar is my set up atm. Got some clips of you wanna see it in action, just message me.

1 hotd on an ally and you become the focus. So get ready.

Mist form is essential for open world, especially if your partners are faster/ higher mobility than you (which they will)

Lexxypwns

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Rattle cage is gimping yourself. Trans/ reposte/ willpower front bar / skoria or blood spawn, tristat everything except shield on back bar is my set up atm. Got some clips of you wanna see it in action, just message me.

1 hotd on an ally and you become the focus. So get ready.

Mist form is essential for open world, especially if your partners are faster/ higher mobility than you (which they will)

I see so few magplars running masters destro front bar

Skander

Got a build video on my youtube, if you want, try to check it out

SugaComa

5/1/1
5x Wizard's Reposte (always active)
5x Transmutation (always active)
2x Skoria

I tend to run this the most

I'm also thinking swapping transmutation for 5 duroks bane for *** n giggles

I run transmute both bars as my offence skills procs it for team mates

Kartalin

Double sword and board...

Durok's Bane...

Desert Rose...

Blood Spawn...

A glass cannon dps that you guard...

Skander

Kartalin wrote: »

Double sword and board...

Durok's Bane...

Desert Rose...

Blood Spawn...

A glass cannon dps that you guard...

0 damage.

Adenoma

That's why you're guarding a glass cannon.

Brutusmax1mus

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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Rattle cage is gimping yourself. Trans/ reposte/ willpower front bar / skoria or blood spawn, tristat everything except shield on back bar is my set up atm. Got some clips of you wanna see it in action, just message me.

1 hotd on an ally and you become the focus. So get ready.

Mist form is essential for open world, especially if your partners are faster/ higher mobility than you (which they will)

I see so few magplars running masters destro front bar

Haven't gotten a lightning staff yet, have 4 ice staves. Not sure how I'd fit reach on my bar anyway other than giving up pots or relying on teammates. I need entropy.

Minno

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Rattle cage is gimping yourself. Trans/ reposte/ willpower front bar / skoria or blood spawn, tristat everything except shield on back bar is my set up atm. Got some clips of you wanna see it in action, just message me.

1 hotd on an ally and you become the focus. So get ready.

Mist form is essential for open world, especially if your partners are faster/ higher mobility than you (which they will)

I see so few magplars running masters destro front bar

Haven't gotten a lightning staff yet, have 4 ice staves. Not sure how I'd fit reach on my bar anyway other than giving up pots or relying on teammates. I need entropy.

what's your bar setup right now?