MAGPLAR PVP build advice.

Datolite

You seem pretty serious about this frost staff. I would consider it instead of snb but what defensive ult would you slot in Spell Wall's place?

UppGRAYxDD

A noCP or CP build I have been getting massive success from: 5 mechanical Acuity, 5 Wizards Reposte, Duel willpower blades(main- Nirnhoned lightning enchant, off- infused spl/wpn dmg enchant) just wear a powered wizards sword and sturdy shield on the backbar to proc and the rest Impen gear.

Bars:
Front duel wield: reflective light, sweeps, jbeam, purifying light, entropy
Back SnB: purifying ritual, rune, mistform or repentance, total dark, breath

The whole point of running this setup is to be offensive while being defensive. Just toss that total dark and purifying light on a target attacking you and heal/tank till your mechanical procs then swap bars and crush them with a full crit dawnbreaker followed by crit sweeps, burning light proc, etc...

Minno

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

You seem pretty serious about this frost staff. I would consider it instead of snb but what defensive ult would you slot in Spell Wall's place?

A few choices:

-Empowering sweeps if you want to free up space on your bar for both frost reach and ele drain. (I use this one because you can cast it if you need the offense dots instead of waiting for a higher cost ultimate and having war maiden will boost the DMG of those ticks. The 15% mitigation is icing).
- Rememberance can be block cancelled so you retain the major protection buff for 10 seconds.
- alliance war support shield for the extra regen. Either morph is fine, but mostly for group play
- Nova for niche flag protection against multiple melee Stam enemies.
- destro ultimate will give frost and thus snare enemies. Same benefit as Empowering sweeps for bar swapping.

That's it. Not many, but you can still get major protection for 120 Ultimate making resto staff superfluous since you'll always get that buff no matter what.

Brutusmax1mus

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datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

You seem pretty serious about this frost staff. I would consider it instead of snb but what defensive ult would you slot in Spell Wall's place?

A few choices:

-Empowering sweeps if you want to free up space on your bar for both frost reach and ele drain. (I use this one because you can cast it if you need the offense dots instead of waiting for a higher cost ultimate and having war maiden will boost the DMG of those ticks. The 15% mitigation is icing).
- Rememberance can be block cancelled so you retain the major protection buff for 10 seconds.
- alliance war support shield for the extra regen. Either morph is fine, but mostly for group play
- Nova for niche flag protection against multiple melee Stam enemies.
- destro ultimate will give frost and thus snare enemies. Same benefit as Empowering sweeps for bar swapping.

That's it. Not many, but you can still get major protection for 120 Ultimate making resto staff superfluous since you'll always get that buff no matter what.

Superfluous is one of my favorite words

Datolite

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datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

You seem pretty serious about this frost staff. I would consider it instead of snb but what defensive ult would you slot in Spell Wall's place?

A few choices:

-Empowering sweeps if you want to free up space on your bar for both frost reach and ele drain. (I use this one because you can cast it if you need the offense dots instead of waiting for a higher cost ultimate and having war maiden will boost the DMG of those ticks. The 15% mitigation is icing).
- Rememberance can be block cancelled so you retain the major protection buff for 10 seconds.
- alliance war support shield for the extra regen. Either morph is fine, but mostly for group play
- Nova for niche flag protection against multiple melee Stam enemies.
- destro ultimate will give frost and thus snare enemies. Same benefit as Empowering sweeps for bar swapping.

That's it. Not many, but you can still get major protection for 120 Ultimate making resto staff superfluous since you'll always get that buff no matter what.

Will have to think on this. A drastic change for me but I will experiment with it. Thanks for the tips.

Minno

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Minno wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

You seem pretty serious about this frost staff. I would consider it instead of snb but what defensive ult would you slot in Spell Wall's place?

A few choices:

-Empowering sweeps if you want to free up space on your bar for both frost reach and ele drain. (I use this one because you can cast it if you need the offense dots instead of waiting for a higher cost ultimate and having war maiden will boost the DMG of those ticks. The 15% mitigation is icing).
- Rememberance can be block cancelled so you retain the major protection buff for 10 seconds.
- alliance war support shield for the extra regen. Either morph is fine, but mostly for group play
- Nova for niche flag protection against multiple melee Stam enemies.
- destro ultimate will give frost and thus snare enemies. Same benefit as Empowering sweeps for bar swapping.

That's it. Not many, but you can still get major protection for 120 Ultimate making resto staff superfluous since you'll always get that buff no matter what.

Will have to think on this. A drastic change for me but I will experiment with it. Thanks for the tips.

Another tip for Frost staff is don't put points into the destro passive that turns the block cost to mag. That will let you spend stamina while blocking if you don't like the mag drain. Though ele drain +channeled focus both return mag through block so arguably Templars are better off keeping the mag block cost. But that's always up for debate and personal preference.

Datolite

Sounds like putting all your eggs in one basket if you use that trait. But then again, having a dedicated stam pool for just CC break and sprinting sounds pretty nice.

Minno

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Sounds like putting all your eggs in one basket if you use that trait. But then again, having a dedicated stam pool for just CC break and sprinting sounds pretty nice.

That's primarily why I keep it. And Stam for dodge rolling if I need to.

Dudis

I'm currently trying Desert Rose + Wizard's Riposte + Pirate Skellie with pretty good results (5/1/1 Light).

Stats aren't as bad as you might think, about 36k Mag (38k /w inner light), 29k health and 15k stamina with 2000 unbuffed spellpower. Mag regen sits at 1400 unbuffed, 1600 with pot (nearly 100% uptime) then you add the 1000+ regen that Desert Rose provides under pressure.

27K spell resist, 20k phys resist.

I am also an Argonian for the bonus hp/mag/stam when using pots, not to mention the +healing etc.

I can sustain and survive for days, even when using Restoring focus (the heal/mitigation rune). Desert Rose also makes Mistform a lot less of a mana hog as it can still proc when using it.

I've only ran this setup for a day at this point, but so far im liking it a lot.

Checkmath

desert rose shines on magicka templars in 1vX situations, especially when a lot of mistforming is needed to reposition. if 20 enemies chase you in the tower, you easely can kite them fr 5 minutes till some of them have left and the ones still present now become your pray.
i love that set when i play with bigboss' zerg ^^

Datolite

I have been on the frost staff train recently and thinking of fun ways to play with it. What do you think of this build:

5x Queen's Elegance
5x Doylemish
Master's Ice Staff
Whatever Resto staff
Heavy 5/1/1 (bear with me)

Elemental Drain, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Jesus Beam, Aurora Javelin, Ice Comet
Back bar would be all support abilities

A bit cheesy but the synergy would be the immobilize and Doylemish, also the constant heavy attacks would remove the need for any long-term sustain so you could run speed pots in your heavy armor and not even worry about it. If no Master's then maybe a 1 piece Molag Kena or Doimihaus. Big ranged dps and soft CC pressure, swap to resto and burn all that extra magicka if your group needs the support. Again I'm thinking BGs for now but it could be great for Cyro too.

Edit: Alternatively you could have second bar be dual swords and keep your melee options open (especially with that extra health and tankiness).

Minno

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

I have been on the frost staff train recently and thinking of fun ways to play with it. What do you think of this build:

5x Queen's Elegance
5x Doylemish
Master's Ice Staff
Whatever Resto staff
Heavy 5/1/1 (bear with me)

Elemental Drain, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Jesus Beam, Aurora Javelin, Ice Comet
Back bar would be all support abilities

A bit cheesy but the synergy would be the immobilize and Doylemish, also the constant heavy attacks would remove the need for any long-term sustain so you could run speed pots in your heavy armor and not even worry about it. If no Master's then maybe a 1 piece Molag Kena or Doimihaus. Big ranged dps and soft CC pressure, swap to resto and burn all that extra magicka if your group needs the support. Again I'm thinking BGs for now but it could be great for Cyro too.

Edit: Alternatively you could have second bar be dual swords and keep your melee options open (especially with that extra health and tankiness).

only problem I see is the highly reflective and dodgable nature of using frost reach as your spamable. Unlike sorcs who can reposition easier with streak, templars have to chug some cocaine and run around like an idiot. I'd swap the elegance with shackle; more stamina and regen means more times to dodge/sprint which Templars need more of than any other class.

But otherwise, you know I get chubbies when frost staff is mentioned lol.

Datolite

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datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

I have been on the frost staff train recently and thinking of fun ways to play with it. What do you think of this build:

5x Queen's Elegance
5x Doylemish
Master's Ice Staff
Whatever Resto staff
Heavy 5/1/1 (bear with me)

Elemental Drain, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Jesus Beam, Aurora Javelin, Ice Comet
Back bar would be all support abilities

A bit cheesy but the synergy would be the immobilize and Doylemish, also the constant heavy attacks would remove the need for any long-term sustain so you could run speed pots in your heavy armor and not even worry about it. If no Master's then maybe a 1 piece Molag Kena or Doimihaus. Big ranged dps and soft CC pressure, swap to resto and burn all that extra magicka if your group needs the support. Again I'm thinking BGs for now but it could be great for Cyro too.

Edit: Alternatively you could have second bar be dual swords and keep your melee options open (especially with that extra health and tankiness).

only problem I see is the highly reflective and dodgable nature of using frost reach as your spamable. Unlike sorcs who can reposition easier with streak, templars have to chug some cocaine and run around like an idiot. I'd swap the elegance with shackle; more stamina and regen means more times to dodge/sprint which Templars need more of than any other class.

But otherwise, you know I get chubbies when frost staff is mentioned lol.

Ah but they can't reflect wall of elements.

I could see the benefit of Shackle being thrown in the mix, though the cocaine (speed/stam/immovable) pots might be enough for that. I'm plenty used to chugging pots as a templar and just consider it the cost of doing business in BGs. It's kinda sad, but that's our class I guess.

Anyway, it's Scalecaller pledge today. Maybe I'll try to farm some Doylemish...

Mister_DMC

All great ideas guys, I've been swapping setups around trying to find that sweet spot. With the gold bsw rings I just bought I think I'm going to try 5 bsw (swords and jewels) 5 overwhelming, 2 skoria/bloodspawn or pirate skeleton. Back bar is open for debate, will have to check if I have a master ice staff but I do have many VMA restos, snbs and a master lightning to try out.

Lexxypwns

5 Duroks 5 Desert Rose 2 Zaan

DW+SnB on live
Inferno+ice Double destro for summerset

GL outhealing zaan with a 42% heal debuff

Checkmath

Lexxypwns wrote: »

5 Duroks 5 Desert Rose 2 Zaan

DW+SnB on live
Inferno+ice Double destro for summerset

GL outhealing zaan with a 42% heal debuff

so much cheese.....you should get nerfed lexxy :P

Lexxypwns

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

5 Duroks 5 Desert Rose 2 Zaan

DW+SnB on live
Inferno+ice Double destro for summerset

GL outhealing zaan with a 42% heal debuff

so much cheese.....you should get nerfed lexxy :P

Stronger next patch where ice destro gives magika block and lets you back bar ele drain, that combined with DR and channeled focus is going to be ridiculous. Bonus points for Argonian

Checkmath

but i wouldnt suggest to bock with magicka on a templar. i adviced that to others already and they really improved after changing that. so no ice staff magicka blocking, this is stupid on magplar.

Minno

Checkmath wrote: »

but i wouldnt suggest to bock with magicka on a templar. i adviced that to others already and they really improved after changing that. so no ice staff magicka blocking, this is stupid on magplar.

Ele drain, channel focus, and dessert Rose might be better. If you have 20% block cost with those sets/skills, you'll be able to Regen mag through block enough.

Lexxypwns

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Checkmath wrote: »

but i wouldnt suggest to bock with magicka on a templar. i adviced that to others already and they really improved after changing that. so no ice staff magicka blocking, this is stupid on magplar.

Ele drain, channel focus, and dessert Rose might be better. If you have 20% block cost with those sets/skills, you'll be able to Regen mag through block enough.

Plus constitution and possibly Argonian. It’s a net gain actually. It’s still risky and you can’t afford to block as long as a SnB spec, but you also won’t need tri-food and can instead run WM+apprentice and manage decent stats. Plus you’ll have ele drain+DR+constitution magika return during mist form so it should be more mobile

Checkmath

you can just slot ele drain frontbar together with an inferno staff, backbar still sword and shield. that would be better, especially since you gain access to absorb magic and the ultimate.

Lexxypwns

Checkmath wrote: »

you can just slot ele drain frontbar together with an inferno staff, backbar still sword and shield. that would be better, especially since you gain access to absorb magic and the ultimate.

Fair points. I personally struggle with magplar offense when I slot ele drain front bar.

Of course, zaan+Duroks is the real offense so who cares if my rotation isn’t perfect.

AlexTheLion

@Lexxypwns are you running 5 heavy or 5 light with that setup?

Brutusmax1mus

5 light or bust

Lexxypwns

AlexTheLion wrote: »

@Lexxypwns are you running 5 heavy or 5 light with that setup?

5 heavy. It’s too good with Argonian tbh.

It’s a true tank and spank setup. Your offense is built around major defile+zaan. Everything else is earned toward staying alive between zaan procs

Kartalin

I tend to go 5 light in CP (except as healbot) and 5 heavy in no CP.
/Breton
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Minno

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AlexTheLion wrote: »

@Lexxypwns are you running 5 heavy or 5 light with that setup?

5 heavy. It’s too good with Argonian tbh.

It’s a true tank and spank setup. Your offense is built around major defile+zaan. Everything else is earned toward staying alive between zaan procs

Heavy and Argonian is meta for magplar.

Checkmath

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

AlexTheLion wrote: »

@Lexxypwns are you running 5 heavy or 5 light with that setup?

5 heavy. It’s too good with Argonian tbh.

It’s a true tank and spank setup. Your offense is built around major defile+zaan. Everything else is earned toward staying alive between zaan procs

Heavy and Argonian is meta for magplar.

Screw those lizards, lets all run bosmer magplars now.

Mr_Nobody

Checkmath wrote: »

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Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

AlexTheLion wrote: »

@Lexxypwns are you running 5 heavy or 5 light with that setup?

5 heavy. It’s too good with Argonian tbh.

It’s a true tank and spank setup. Your offense is built around major defile+zaan. Everything else is earned toward staying alive between zaan procs

Heavy and Argonian is meta for magplar.

Screw those lizards, lets all run bosmer magplars now.

you want bosmers to get nerfed? pretty sure a nerf templar thread would pop up because we are not supposed to play bosmers and have any stam regen or something like that

Checkmath

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Checkmath wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

AlexTheLion wrote: »

@Lexxypwns are you running 5 heavy or 5 light with that setup?

5 heavy. It’s too good with Argonian tbh.

It’s a true tank and spank setup. Your offense is built around major defile+zaan. Everything else is earned toward staying alive between zaan procs

Heavy and Argonian is meta for magplar.

Screw those lizards, lets all run bosmer magplars now.

you want bosmers to get nerfed? pretty sure a nerf templar thread would pop up because we are not supposed to play bosmers and have any stam regen or something like that

no this was a joke, since bosmer maybe are the wrost match for a magplar....