MAGPLAR PVP build advice.

Baconlad

I stopped running toppling charge seemingly years ago...just dropped vamp drain recently. Now using eclipse, both morphs to test.

As for mist:
-It's better than any other form of CC immunity available to magplar in outnumbered situations
-magplars should mainly be using it to gain LoS against multiple enemies, in order to string them out, not to "run away". Although when severely outnumbered...yes, to just try and survive.
- to state that it makes you a bad player...because it somehow encourages bad habits...the same could be said for Bol. "Casting Bol teaches bad habits! You should using healing ritual instead in order to play hardcore" or something like that...I very strongly disagree.
- if you are playing outnumbered, you're going to find use for this skill, it will save ur ass
- if wearing desert rose and using channeled focus. You are at essentially a free cost for mist. Can cast mist frequently when needed.

So riddle me this...what are going to do, come up with any outnumbered situation you can think of, what are you going to do without mist form? Die faster...that's it. Mist form gives you a chance that just blocking, purging and healing will not.
It doesn't make sense to deprive urself of the best tool for the job in cyrodil, and mist os...the best option for GTFO of dodge skills magplar has
Lastly...You do not need Mist form in duels/ open world 1v1.

Not to pretend that it matters or anything, but maybe a factor in everyone's mind when they read this post. I've been a magplar since game launch on PC, he's my one and only toon. I've been through very bad times and better times than now as a magplar. About 200 days game time played on him. I've played around with every skill and meta (and off meta. XD hello dark flare gankplar.) The templar has in his toolkit

jaws343

I run Dual Wield and Destro with 5 Acuity (both bars) and 5/4 Spinners. My damage is all coming from my front bar, so having Spinners at 4 pieces on the back bar isn't an issue. And I use 5 light and annulment. The damage shield and mist form are enough to survive in melee range. With the number of DOTs and channeled abilities, Acuity melts players when it procs.

I was running soul assault pre Dragon Bones. Triggering SA during an Acuity proc was monstrous. But with the changes to it, I will probably switch to running bats or dawnbreaker on the front bar. Or something cheep like Empowering Sweep.

Synozeer

Mistform 4 life.

Joy_Division

Baconlad wrote: »

I stopped running toppling charge seemingly years ago...just dropped vamp drain recently. Now using eclipse, both morphs to test.

As for mist:
-It's better than any other form of CC immunity available to magplar in outnumbered situations
-magplars should mainly be using it to gain LoS against multiple enemies, in order to string them out, not to "run away". Although when severely outnumbered...yes, to just try and survive.
- to state that it makes you a bad player...because it somehow encourages bad habits...the same could be said for Bol. "Casting Bol teaches bad habits! You should using healing ritual instead in order to play hardcore" or something like that...I very strongly disagree.
- if you are playing outnumbered, you're going to find use for this skill, it will save ur ass
- if wearing desert rose and using channeled focus. You are at essentially a free cost for mist. Can cast mist frequently when needed.

So riddle me this...what are going to do, come up with any outnumbered situation you can think of, what are you going to do without mist form? Die faster...that's it. Mist form gives you a chance that just blocking, purging and healing will not.
It doesn't make sense to deprive urself of the best tool for the job in cyrodil, and mist os...the best option for GTFO of dodge skills magplar has
Lastly...You do not need Mist form in duels/ open world 1v1.

Not to pretend that it matters or anything, but maybe a factor in everyone's mind when they read this post. I've been a magplar since game launch on PC, he's my one and only toon. I've been through very bad times and better times than now as a magplar. About 200 days game time played on him. I've played around with every skill and meta (and off meta. XD hello dark flare gankplar.) The templar has in his toolkit

It's not so much a riddle.

I think Mist Form is one of the few abilities in the game that is decently balanced. My test for balance is basically this, if players think they need the skill and will miss it if it's of their bars, then it's in a good spot. This is how most people feel. So, nice job Worbel.

So it's good. But let's not act like it's somehow necessary.

It is possible to be a good player, do well in cyrodiil without Mist From on a bar. Unless we are going to say people like Blobsky and Blabafet back in the day aren't good and did poorly in cyrodiil.

I don't use Mist Form for the same reason they don't: it's not a panacea, it's not a guarantee, there are times it fails in trying to open world like a sorcerer or nightblade. if your opponent(s) want to pursue you, Mist Form will *not* save you and it won't string them out because the fastest you can ever go is slower than anyone in the game who can sprint.

So instead I use Defensive Posture, which makes me a more effective combatant against every player than I would be if I used Mist Form. Blobs runs Inner Light. Blab used Repentance.

As for what I do when I come up with an outnumbered situations, the same thing Mist Form players do: die if the odds are too great and the pursuers are vigorous.

I do use Mist Form if I am in a group as a Magplar because Mist Form works best as a temporary reprieve, when a "safe zone" is nearby. A friendly group is a "safe Zone" so I like Mist there. In the open world, there isn't a guaranteed safe zone so I'd rather have another fighting ability.

PenguinInACan

Joy_Division wrote: »

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Baconlad wrote: »

I stopped running toppling charge seemingly years ago...just dropped vamp drain recently. Now using eclipse, both morphs to test.

As for mist:
-It's better than any other form of CC immunity available to magplar in outnumbered situations
-magplars should mainly be using it to gain LoS against multiple enemies, in order to string them out, not to "run away". Although when severely outnumbered...yes, to just try and survive.
- to state that it makes you a bad player...because it somehow encourages bad habits...the same could be said for Bol. "Casting Bol teaches bad habits! You should using healing ritual instead in order to play hardcore" or something like that...I very strongly disagree.
- if you are playing outnumbered, you're going to find use for this skill, it will save ur ass
- if wearing desert rose and using channeled focus. You are at essentially a free cost for mist. Can cast mist frequently when needed.

So riddle me this...what are going to do, come up with any outnumbered situation you can think of, what are you going to do without mist form? Die faster...that's it. Mist form gives you a chance that just blocking, purging and healing will not.
It doesn't make sense to deprive urself of the best tool for the job in cyrodil, and mist os...the best option for GTFO of dodge skills magplar has
Lastly...You do not need Mist form in duels/ open world 1v1.

Not to pretend that it matters or anything, but maybe a factor in everyone's mind when they read this post. I've been a magplar since game launch on PC, he's my one and only toon. I've been through very bad times and better times than now as a magplar. About 200 days game time played on him. I've played around with every skill and meta (and off meta. XD hello dark flare gankplar.) The templar has in his toolkit

It's not so much a riddle.

I think Mist Form is one of the few abilities in the game that is decently balanced. My test for balance is basically this, if players think they need the skill and will miss it if it's of their bars, then it's in a good spot. This is how most people feel. So, nice job Worbel.

So it's good. But let's not act like it's somehow necessary.

It is possible to be a good player, do well in cyrodiil without Mist From on a bar. Unless we are going to say people like Blobsky and Blabafet back in the day aren't good and did poorly in cyrodiil.

I don't use Mist Form for the same reason they don't: it's not a panacea, it's not a guarantee, there are times it fails in trying to open world like a sorcerer or nightblade. if your opponent(s) want to pursue you, Mist Form will *not* save you and it won't string them out because the fastest you can ever go is slower than anyone in the game who can sprint.

So instead I use Defensive Posture, which makes me a more effective combatant against every player than I would be if I used Mist Form. Blobs runs Inner Light. Blab used Repentance.

As for what I do when I come up with an outnumbered situations, the same thing Mist Form players do: die if the odds are too great and the pursuers are vigorous.

I do use Mist Form if I am in a group as a Magplar because Mist Form works best as a temporary reprieve, when a "safe zone" is nearby. A friendly group is a "safe Zone" so I like Mist there. In the open world, there isn't a guaranteed safe zone so I'd rather have another fighting ability.

In the context of someone elses playstyle mist is just as necessary as defensive posture is to you. A great player is going to be able to make any skill effective, and creating a narrative that not using mist form increases your skill on the class is a little dismissive.

I 100% agree that mist form is not a necessity for magplars. I do however personally believe it provides the best utility for its cost compared to other similar defensive skills for certain playstyles.

Brutusmax1mus

To me it's a necessity in open world cyro, optional in bg- i opt out, and not in duels. 2 or 3 ppl beating on you with hard and soft ccs, you can't tell me mist form isn't the best skill for repositioning to a magplar.

CatchMeTrolling

Immovables for hard ccs and honestly if someone is spamming roots 9 out of 10 that fight is just you delaying the inevitable. They're just going to keep reapplying.

Baconlad

It's not really about just trying to run away with mist form.

It's more about repositioning than anything.
Like I said, a great player doesn't need Mist form. I sure don't, but let's face it. In outnumbered situations, when trying to leave a gauntlet of Aoes, you can spam your BOL or shields if that's how you play. But after playing so many different builds, and so many different styles of defense, I would say that mist form is best in slot for defense. Specifically good for heavy outnumbered situations is where I get my experience from. As everyone knows cyrodil is VERY zergy.
It allows you to defend longer as well if ur wearing a set like desert rose. Over the course of one mist form (which ends up being almost free) after that mist you might cast purge and honor the dead, then back into the mist. Without mist, you're getting CCd rooted (which costs mag for purges or stam for dodges) you're casting honor the dead much more, and casting purge much more.
Your getting back you magical through regen you wouldn't get through mist form...But that's negated as soon as you realize your casting honor the dead and purge more.

So in conclusion...again, you can absolutely not use mist form and still be great. You can absolutely even not run SnB or honor the dead/ Bol. You can even not run purge and still be great. But...your not using the best tool for the job, when ur trying to take on multiple enemies, some things are better than others, and mist form is much better than defensive stance in the slot.

But go ahead, pls keep saying it's not! That way Zoe doesn't end up nerfing mist XD

Checkmath

i lately run into a magicka nightblade without cloak and i said to him, if he would use cloak, he would die 70% less.
the same goes for magplars and mistform, you just have more survivability with that skill. you can reposition yourself, escape from a *** situation, set up your "house" (actually the house playing style doesnt exist anymore for templars) an be ready for counterattacking. i know there are people saying mist form is only something for noobs, but it is just not true.
use that damn skill, it is a well needed skill for magplars, since we dont have mobility and we dont have very much defence mechanism.

Datolite

I got to thinking about a more reactive magplar build. Less focus on spamming and more about a balanced defensive game. The gear would do half your damage for you 1vX with enough tankiness and sustain to keep you healed up until you go in for the kill. It looks like...

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=50844

5x Thunderbug's Carapace
5x Storm Knight's Plate
2x Valkyn Skoria
5/1/1 heavy with infused/prismatic on large pieces and mag/impen on small
Dual wield nirnhoned and powered/infused SnB with weapon dmg enchant
Mag regen jewelry glyphs and mundus
Witchmother's potent brew and Unstoppable/health/mag regen pots

Dual wield bar:
1 Sweep
2 Charge
3 Jesus beam
4 Purifying Light
5 Repentance
U Shield ult

SnB bar:
1 Ritual
2 Focus
3 Reflective light
4 Structured entropy
5 Honor the dead
U Dawnbreaker

The idea is to tank one or two opponents while letting the dots from your RL/SE and your armor procs bring down Skoria. What do you guys think?

Brutusmax1mus

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

I got to thinking about a more reactive magplar build. Less focus on spamming and more about a balanced defensive game. The gear would do half your damage for you 1vX with enough tankiness and sustain to keep you healed up until you go in for the kill. It looks like...

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=50844

5x Thunderbug's Carapace
5x Storm Knight's Plate
2x Valkyn Skoria
5/1/1 heavy with infused/prismatic on large pieces and mag/impen on small
Dual wield nirnhoned and powered/infused SnB with weapon dmg enchant
Mag regen jewelry glyphs and mundus
Witchmother's potent brew and Unstoppable/health/mag regen pots

Dual wield bar:
1 Sweep
2 Charge
3 Jesus beam
4 Purifying Light
5 Repentance
U Shield ult

SnB bar:
1 Ritual
2 Focus
3 Reflective light
4 Structured entropy
5 Honor the dead
U Dawnbreaker

The idea is to tank one or two opponents while letting the dots from your RL/SE and your armor procs bring down Skoria. What do you guys think?

Say those 2 people are magicka, half your armor is worthless. Or vice versa.

You mention tanking up, but you don't plan on having enough regen/ max mag or crit to out last good pressure. Your max stam/ recovery is only high enough for emergency blocking too.

Casting purifying light, toppling and jabs will take over 25% of your magicka.

You're losing light armor passives, no good. It mainly doesn't fit my needs.

Could be a lot of fun in zerg play, with a healer to keep you up against multiple opponents. Try it out.

Checkmath

i dont think you will kill many players with that build...
they need to be dumb af, when you think they pound onto you till they have 50% health from your sets and you then go in with a dawnbreaker. probably works in groupplay, but then you would have to reach 40k health minimum and use sunshield, to get more out of your build. otherwise i dont see much use of that setup, i am sorry.

Datolite

Well it was worth a shot. I did a test run of something similar on my magsorc and it does fairly decent damage in group play (with swarm mother it was a blast, so to speak) but it's kinda gimmicky. Its biggest weakness was healing, but with magplar the weakness is lack of stamina sustain. Not much room for out of the box builds I guess, unless you're PvE.

By the way, sun shield wouldn't be an option because those sets require you to take damage for proc. I tried that angle.

Checkmath

ok, didnt know that they only proc, when shields would be down. but yeah, as you saw, there are surely setups better suited for your playstyle, which works better.

Datolite

Checkmath wrote: »

ok, didnt know that they only proc, when shields would be down. but yeah, as you saw, there are surely setups better suited for your playstyle, which works better.

The ol' Surgeplar yeah, I've been there. Wanted a heavy version for a bit more survivability but the weapons are a fkin nightmare to farm and the armor only comes in light.

Minno

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Checkmath wrote: »

ok, didnt know that they only proc, when shields would be down. but yeah, as you saw, there are surely setups better suited for your playstyle, which works better.

The ol' Surgeplar yeah, I've been there. Wanted a heavy version for a bit more survivability but the weapons are a fkin nightmare to farm and the armor only comes in light.

Jewels then 1 armor and 1 weapon. Then use any heavy armor set you want. Just get any weapon trait and use transmute to get the trait you want. Better to PvP for 30 days then to farm for that one weapon for 30 days.

Neoauspex

I have never used mist form because there's no penalty in this game for dying. So I build to kill people.

Brutusmax1mus

Neoauspex wrote: »

I have never used mist form because there's no penalty in this game for dying. So I build to kill people.

I actual lold reading this. Defense is just as important in this game.

IZZEFlameLash

Neoauspex wrote: »

I have never used mist form because there's no penalty in this game for dying. So I build to kill people.

How will you kill if you die? You do 0 dps and spend more time riding when you are dead in 1 second 8)

Checkmath

some people have fun fighting 10 people at a time and survive, even kill some. other people rather go for the fast kill, but cant stand the ground, if several enemies engage. it is just a choice of gamestyle and what you want to experience.

Baz

Checkmath wrote: »

some people have fun fighting 10 people at a time and survive, even kill some. other people rather go for the fast kill, but cant stand the ground, if several enemies engage. it is just a choice of gamestyle and what you want to experience.

+1
There is not many magplar who make the 2nd gameplay here.
A lot are locked in the "S&b meta magplar" (Yeah I know, block casting BoL is strong), but the resto ult is a fantastic tool, permitting you to stay alive while bursting (yummy major force)
Don't underrestimate Rapid Regen (coupled with vMA staff).

Skander

Mist is a good way to just delay your death

Brutusmax1mus

Lots of synergy in acuity, vma resto, n resto ult

Datolite

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Checkmath wrote: »

some people have fun fighting 10 people at a time and survive, even kill some. other people rather go for the fast kill, but cant stand the ground, if several enemies engage. it is just a choice of gamestyle and what you want to experience.

+1
There is not many magplar who make the 2nd gameplay here.
A lot are locked in the "S&b meta magplar" (Yeah I know, block casting BoL is strong), but the resto ult is a fantastic tool, permitting you to stay alive while bursting (yummy major force)
Don't underrestimate Rapid Regen (coupled with vMA staff).

I have always thought so. Someone on the forums convinced me to drop Resto staff on my magplar but I distinctly remember that ult saving my whole team's a$$es on several occasions. I think it's just that it's an ultimate that turns many people away from it. They would rather spend their time Dawnbreaking, and who can really blame them.

Edit: Speaking of which, what morph would you choose for BG group play?

SugaComa

Here's the problem ... Magblades have cloak, it's on there skill line and it helps ... Templars "have" to go to another skill line to get help in the form of mist ... However for some of us like me ... Mist form doesn't offer anything when we get rooted and flame lashed spam to death ... In fact due to being a vampire i die faster


Since ditching the vampire I survive way more ... But I'm instead missing a much more vital skill ...drain

As a Templar there is no native stun for when you get a few people on you to help you either finish one of them or escape for a breather

Templar would be in a much better place if we had a stun or root ability native to us, or even a fear

We need to stop being reliant on vampire skills to make up for our own deficiencies

Baz

@datoliteb16_ESO Light's Champion, the other morph is garbage imo. The 5s major force/protection each tick offer is really really helpful (the only reason I use it instead of Remembrance)


I still do not know why they increase the knockback of the javelin to 8m from 5m. Was supposed to be an "improvement" but I felt like a ninja nerf. Since that, you CC ppl outside your jabs, harder to knockdown ppl from the keep (when you are below), I didn't count the number of ppl the number of people who are saved by the proximity of the ledges
And I don't speak about the little 1s rollback when you javelin somebody since this change...
So now i'm using block Cancel Vamp Drain & i'm happy with it

Neoauspex

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Neoauspex wrote: »

I have never used mist form because there's no penalty in this game for dying. So I build to kill people.

How will you kill if you die? You do 0 dps and spend more time riding when you are dead in 1 second 8)

If I die I die trying to kill somebody instead of dying running away. @Skander knows what's up.

Neoauspex

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

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Neoauspex wrote: »

I have never used mist form because there's no penalty in this game for dying. So I build to kill people.

I actual lold reading this. Defense is just as important in this game.

Running away is not the same thing as defense

Brutusmax1mus

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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Neoauspex wrote: »

I have never used mist form because there's no penalty in this game for dying. So I build to kill people.

I actual lold reading this. Defense is just as important in this game.

Running away is not the same thing as defense

Repositioning is not running away, and is an active form of defense. Not to mention the skill is literally a massive damage reduction, which again, is defense.

Mist serves it's purpose, sometimes i use it, sometimes i don't. I'm not arguing if its good or not. If you don't like it, dont use it.. right?

TheDoomsdayMonster

Synozeer wrote: »

Mistform 4 life.

Amen!

Elusive Mist has gotten me out of trouble many, many, times...

Its one of those abilities (as a Magicka Templar) that is completely indispensable for my play style...


Whats the alternative?

We have no mobility and no other means of escape, so that means standing your ground and building a supertanky Magplar, and that is something that I absolutely refuse to do...


Now I do suppose that you could get mobility via gear with a quirky build that involves Prisoners Rags and/or Skooma Smuggler or some other off the wall gear set, but those options do not appeal to me...


Elusive Mist or bust...