Legend Tournament Series - Tournament tonight - Low CP Tournament tomorrow - Scarr streaming

Subversus

Blobsky wrote: »

Great tournament there, was a pleasure to host the stream for this

Can't expect anything less from a KenaPKK tournament!

Blobsky

Subversus wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Great tournament there, was a pleasure to host the stream for this

Can't expect anything less from a KenaPKK tournament!

Was brilliant to see everybody with a positive attitude, rather than much of the EU drama we have, as well as people of all abilities turning up.

There were a few builds that I'd strongly consider 'duel' builds only, but in general a lot of openworld builds performed very well, and the entire structure was a pleasure to watch.

(Meanwhile PC EU is gona be people with 400 stamina sustain and 7k weapon damage bleed builds or 85% heal debuff builds )

Speed_Kills

That moment when you can't stand toe to toe with a mdk on a medium armor Stam sorc:/ @Passifest @Joshlenoir please refrain from mdking in the next tourney.

NightbladeMechanics

Edit: I have updated the OP with this week's results!

Speed_Kills wrote: »

That moment when you can't stand toe to toe with a mdk on a medium armor Stam sorc:/ @Passifest @Joshlenoir please refrain from mdking in the next tourney.

Yea, those matchups were so tough on you. You still tore it up though! I was so impressed. lol

#buffmdk guys

Speed_Kills

@NightbladeMechanics thanks! This week's mission is making some tweaks (without heavy or troll king) to better deal with that class!

Grimlok_S

Stream was a great watch, well done blobs and scarr.

Hats off to all who competed, those were some great fights!

Jaimeh

Congratulations to the winners!

@Blobsky very insightful commentary, I learned so many things I hope you can host more!

Blobsky

Jaimeh wrote: »

Congratulations to the winners!

@Blobsky very insightful commentary, I learned so many things I hope you can host more!

Thanks a lot, and lets hope so

CavalryPK

I watched the tourney later on @Blobsky twitch. I think i found my favorite dueling commentator. That seksy UK accent and passive fashion per seconds was awesome. He literally keep the energy up 100% of the stream. I hope blobs senpai would keep comentaiting!

Also I was rooting for Marcel like a maniac! I almost broke my keyboard when he lost at the end.!!!!

Blobsky

CavalryPK wrote: »

I watched the tourney later on @Blobsky twitch. I think i found my favorite dueling commentator. That seksy UK accent and passive fashion per seconds was awesome. He literally keep the energy up 100% of the stream. I hope blobs senpai would keep comentaiting!

Also I was rooting for Marcel like a maniac! I almost broke my keyboard when he lost at the end.!!!!

Haha +1 for marcel, just a few mistakes vs the wings got punished, and a few too catches on his end... But he played it beautifully. And yes I am happy to stream these again, hopefully the energy and information I present is good for people!

GrigorijMalahevich

Blobsky wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Great tournament there, was a pleasure to host the stream for this

Can't expect anything less from a KenaPKK tournament!

Was brilliant to see everybody with a positive attitude, rather than much of the EU drama we have, as well as people of all abilities turning up.

There were a few builds that I'd strongly consider 'duel' builds only, but in general a lot of openworld builds performed very well, and the entire structure was a pleasure to watch.

(Meanwhile PC EU is gona be people with 400 stamina sustain and 7k weapon damage bleed builds or 85% heal debuff builds )

Yeah, it would be great if you would stop dissing EU in every post. If I am not mistaken Kena was using Durok in first and second tournament...

EU is toxic and populated by not only 85% healing debuffs and bleed builds, but also with people that come to Bergama to duel in shieldbreaker, with wings, mines, three pets, etc...

We probably as community must educate people on dueling rules and make a post with ZoS support something like “duelling rules” or something...

Malamar1229

All this is to be expected in a game that isn't balanced around 1v1....

NightbladeMechanics

Valera Progib wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Great tournament there, was a pleasure to host the stream for this

Can't expect anything less from a KenaPKK tournament!

Was brilliant to see everybody with a positive attitude, rather than much of the EU drama we have, as well as people of all abilities turning up.

There were a few builds that I'd strongly consider 'duel' builds only, but in general a lot of openworld builds performed very well, and the entire structure was a pleasure to watch.

(Meanwhile PC EU is gona be people with 400 stamina sustain and 7k weapon damage bleed builds or 85% heal debuff builds )

Yeah, it would be great if you would stop dissing EU in every post. If I am not mistaken Kena was using Durok in first and second tournament...

EU is toxic and populated by not only 85% healing debuffs and bleed builds, but also with people that come to Bergama to duel in shieldbreaker, with wings, mines, three pets, etc...

We probably as community must educate people on dueling rules and make a post with ZoS support something like “duelling rules” or something...

In fairness, I had just come back to the game from a long break and didn’t realize how much weaker stam had become this patch when I started making these tournaments and slotted Durok’s. If I’d paid attention to the patch notes before competing, Defile sets and the warden bear would have been out from the start, not that it would have changed my wins. That build was originally my small group support build, and I only wore Durok’s to prevent a stalemate against the heavy armor magplar. I’d have preferred any other set against all other matchups, and have continued winning all of my fights since retiring from the tournaments and removing Durok’s for duels.

And my guild and my tournaments are entirely nontoxic. Careful casting shade at us, please.

My tournaments and this forum post may serve as the ongoing widely accepted “dueling rules.” We will continue making adjustments week to week until we find the sweet spot, but overall you can expect our rules to eliminate things which limit counterplay while trying to place the classes on as even a playing field as possible with as few outliers as possible. Rules are not going to be perfect, though. It takes a positive community culture to do the rest.

Subversus

Every time I read this thread I get sad that I can't transfer to NA. Duel scene looks like it's so much better there, at least in Legend.

Also holy *** kena boy how much gold do you have??????

Vilestride

Some interesting stuff. From a completely outside perspective the idea of a tournament that allowed the use of only a few premade set templates is really really cool.

I know it would be a challenge to enforce and obviously you would have to spend a good amount of time ensuring the templates are balanced and intelligently made.

It reminds me of what we used to do in COD tournaments when creating rulesets for upcoming seasons. I personally really like the minimalist philosophy that is if you make everyone use the same things it simply becomes a matter of who is better with those things. Obviously this game is subject to more inherent imbalance than pvp in other games so simply saying something like OK all mag builds must use julianos willpower all stambuilds hundings agility isn't going to be practical. But I am sure you could come up with a few template builds for different styles of playing that would be balanced relative to one another.

Adenoma

It would definitely be interesting to make some sort of stipulation like only crafted sets - then work within those restraints. At least for one tournament.

NightbladeMechanics

Vilestride wrote: »

Some interesting stuff. From a completely outside perspective the idea of a tournament that allowed the use of only a few premade set templates is really really cool.

I know it would be a challenge to enforce and obviously you would have to spend a good amount of time ensuring the templates are balanced and intelligently made.

It reminds me of what we used to do in COD tournaments when creating rulesets for upcoming seasons. I personally really like the minimalist philosophy that is if you make everyone use the same things it simply becomes a matter of who is better with those things. Obviously this game is subject to more inherent imbalance than pvp in other games so simply saying something like OK all mag builds must use julianos willpower all stambuilds hundings agility isn't going to be practical. But I am sure you could come up with a few template builds for different styles of playing that would be balanced relative to one another.

Unenforceable, expensive, and a logistical nightmare to get everyone a set of identical gear.

We’ve talked about it in guild, and while we like how such a tournament could distill fights more down to skill, there’s just no way such a tournament could actually happen.

casparian

Adenoma wrote: »

It would definitely be interesting to make some sort of stipulation like only crafted sets - then work within those restraints. At least for one tournament.

I'm afraid that would make fights boil down to three points:
- Whose class skillset is more suited to Alchemist + Acuity builds
- Who can get Alchemist and Acuity to proc at the same time
- Who is best at avoiding others' Alchemist + Acuity windows until their own Alchemist + Acuity window lands

Autumnhart

CavalryPK wrote: »

I watched the tourney later on @Blobsky twitch. I think i found my favorite dueling commentator. That seksy UK accent and passive fashion per seconds was awesome. He literally keep the energy up 100% of the stream. I hope blobs senpai would keep comentaiting!

Also I was rooting for Marcel like a maniac! I almost broke my keyboard when he lost at the end.!!!!

Marcel had some great fights, I got the sense he was the stream favorite.

Adenoma

@casparian , to an extent that makes gear a constant.

Vilestride

casparian wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

It would definitely be interesting to make some sort of stipulation like only crafted sets - then work within those restraints. At least for one tournament.

I'm afraid that would make fights boil down to three points:
- Whose class skillset is more suited to Alchemist + Acuity builds
- Who can get Alchemist and Acuity to proc at the same time
- Who is best at avoiding others' Alchemist + Acuity windows until their own Alchemist + Acuity window lands

I mean if that really was to be how it would go down the point is you have the power to control this environment. You could just not have those 2 sets be part of the template.

I agree balancing it between classes would be hard. I have always been of the opinion that some classes simply should be better than others at certain things. play as you want to me meant if you want to play a tank roll a DK ect.

Regardless I do conceed with kenas point. it would be nearly impossible to enforce without some form of custom match making.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Vilestride wrote: »

Some interesting stuff. From a completely outside perspective the idea of a tournament that allowed the use of only a few premade set templates is really really cool.

This community, believe it or not, is not a lone in this regard. These so called, 'Grass roots' communities that don't have any pre-existing rule set from the devs / game itself, will often just make their own ruleset.

It's not always perfect though. I've been to tournaments, outside of ESO, where certain behavior rule-sets are enforced on-top of the usual stuff.

It can get pretty complex. It'll be interesting to see how this Tournament Series continues to play out.

Vilestride

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Some interesting stuff. From a completely outside perspective the idea of a tournament that allowed the use of only a few premade set templates is really really cool.

This community, believe it or not, is not a lone in this regard. These so called, 'Grass roots' communities that don't have any pre-existing rule set from the devs / game itself, will often just make their own ruleset.

It's not always perfect though. I've been to tournaments, outside of ESO, where certain behavior rule-sets are enforced on-top of the usual stuff.

It can get pretty complex. It'll be interesting to see how this Tournament Series continues to play out.

Yeah this is why it was really appealing to me to, having been involved in other gaming communities that did this. If the community is mature enough to be able to create their own custom rulesets and formats it can add a whole new level of enjoyment and competition to the game.

On top of that these things almost always start as community driven and then if they are popular enough developers end up catering to it too encourage it further which we see in the evolution of many other games.

Jayelf

bugger i missed out, next time then i guess

Takes-No-Prisoner

Vilestride wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Some interesting stuff. From a completely outside perspective the idea of a tournament that allowed the use of only a few premade set templates is really really cool.

This community, believe it or not, is not a lone in this regard. These so called, 'Grass roots' communities that don't have any pre-existing rule set from the devs / game itself, will often just make their own ruleset.

It's not always perfect though. I've been to tournaments, outside of ESO, where certain behavior rule-sets are enforced on-top of the usual stuff.

It can get pretty complex. It'll be interesting to see how this Tournament Series continues to play out.

Yeah this is why it was really appealing to me to, having been involved in other gaming communities that did this. If the community is mature enough to be able to create their own custom rulesets and formats it can add a whole new level of enjoyment and competition to the game.

On top of that these things almost always start as community driven and then if they are popular enough developers end up catering to it too encourage it further which we see in the evolution of many other games.

Yup! I have seen developers interact with their community’s in such a manner. The best example I can think of is Street Fighter. Their devs will often follow trends of how much they nerf or buff a character and see how it plays out in serious tournaments settings. Then when the next season rolls around for a new patch, they will patch in more adjustments without trying to harm what already made the character good and or playable.

rimmidimdim

You should have a Christmas special tournament, where you can only wear hundings rage/julianos, willpower/agility, and monster set off balance. By off balance I mean two separate monster pieces. That would be amazing and cool. I would love an invite to this guild. I watch blobs of the turny and I was cool good job. As my point to the Christmas special tournament, also specify only purple gear. True fair play I think. Cheers

NightbladeMechanics

rimmidimdim wrote: »

You should have a Christmas special tournament, where you can only wear hundings rage/julianos, willpower/agility, and monster set off balance. By off balance I mean two separate monster pieces. That would be amazing and cool. I would love an invite to this guild. I watch blobs of the turny and I was cool good job. As my point to the Christmas special tournament, also specify only purple gear. True fair play I think. Cheers

Again, this would be impossible to enforce and therefore not very competitive for those who follow the rules. What about the current rules don't you consider fair?

Derra

rimmidimdim wrote: »

You should have a Christmas special tournament, where you can only wear hundings rage/julianos, willpower/agility, and monster set off balance. By off balance I mean two separate monster pieces. That would be amazing and cool. I would love an invite to this guild. I watch blobs of the turny and I was cool good job. As my point to the Christmas special tournament, also specify only purple gear. True fair play I think. Cheers

Not only is it hard to enforce but it also favors certain classes over others.

Would you allow master/maelstrom weapons?
Would you allow 2x 1p resistances?

rimmidimdim

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

You should have a Christmas special tournament, where you can only wear hundings rage/julianos, willpower/agility, and monster set off balance. By off balance I mean two separate monster pieces. That would be amazing and cool. I would love an invite to this guild. I watch blobs of the turny and I was cool good job. As my point to the Christmas special tournament, also specify only purple gear. True fair play I think. Cheers

Again, this would be impossible to enforce and therefore not very competitive for those who follow the rules. What about the current rules don't you consider fair?

I didn't mean that I consider any of the rules unfair. It was just a thought cause of every other post/topic is about how durok this, or Troll that, or whatever. In all the forums. It was a stupid thought, but all it meant was a different look at it relating to all different opinions on sets.

rimmidimdim

Derra wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

You should have a Christmas special tournament, where you can only wear hundings rage/julianos, willpower/agility, and monster set off balance. By off balance I mean two separate monster pieces. That would be amazing and cool. I would love an invite to this guild. I watch blobs of the turny and I was cool good job. As my point to the Christmas special tournament, also specify only purple gear. True fair play I think. Cheers

Not only is it hard to enforce but it also favors certain classes over others.

Would you allow master/maelstrom weapons?
Would you allow 2x 1p resistances?

You mean like one Skelly and one Warden? Maybe some are using that already? if a goofy tournament like this was done I guess not. I was wrong. If it's that hard to do in the first place make only crafted gear available. Go all they way with it. As I said above. It was a stupid thought. Theory crafting and practice makes the game fun.