Which is your most feared class in PVP?

NightbladeMechanics

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, this poll is interesting.

It seems the unavoidable burst from Stamdens and Stamblades is considered more dangerous than Sorc shields and avoidable burst, and MagDK's anti-vamp abilities and tankiness.

Also interesting to see how far behind the other classes are. Judging from that, no one's afraid of you, @NightbladeMechanics ...
xP

Lord-Otto

Stamina Warden

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, this poll is interesting.

It seems the unavoidable burst from Stamdens and Stamblades is considered more dangerous than Sorc shields and avoidable burst, and MagDK's anti-vamp abilities and tankiness.

Also interesting to see how far behind the other classes are. Judging from that, no one's afraid of you, @NightbladeMechanics ...
xP

Have a Pikacookie!
(^_^)-O

NightbladeMechanics

Lord-Otto wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, this poll is interesting.

It seems the unavoidable burst from Stamdens and Stamblades is considered more dangerous than Sorc shields and avoidable burst, and MagDK's anti-vamp abilities and tankiness.

Also interesting to see how far behind the other classes are. Judging from that, no one's afraid of you, @NightbladeMechanics ...
xP

Have a Pikacookie!
(^_^)-O

Lord-Otto

Stamina Warden

(^_^)

Waffennacht

Omg... Too cute

Ballzy321

Stamina Warden

Where’s the load screen option

TankHealz2015

Warden....

Twohothardware

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Unless you're going up against an incredibly good player I fail to see why so many of you fear facing Stam Wardens. Outside of the tree heal they lack the cheese other classes have like Fear and an Incap that kills your heals or PoL and undodgeable Jabs that permasnare. I think KodiPvP is just putting a lot of unwarranted fear in you lol.

Stamblade and Stamplars are both stronger 1v1 classes to face than Stamwarden unless you're running a class it counters well like MagSorc.

In a 1v1 a stamwarden burst (swing/sub/dawn) is an easy 15k+ dmg to a player. Don't get me wrong I'm not at all scared of the glass because I know the animation of the sub and what he's going to try and do so its pretty easy to see the combo coming and react accordingly. But the burst in on par with stamNB

Except that Dizzy Swing is one of the easiest abilities in the game to evade and Sub Assault has to be timed and lined up so while Stamwarden may have the potential for very high burst you have to actually land two of the most difficult skills to connect in the game which isn't easy when facing a high skill player that's jumping around kiting you with major expedition and roll dodging. By comparison with a Stamplar you can't dodge Power of the Light and Jabs unless you're simply outside the range. It's why you don't see many Dizzy Swingers winning dueling tournaments.

Serjustin19

Stamina Nightblade

10 minute video as to why. Happened around Nov. 19? Yes my build extremely terrible. Thanks for noticing

https://youtu.be/_BbD3hFa7Y8

TheDoomsdayMonster

Magicka Dragonknight

A well built, well played, Magicka Dragon Knight is my worst nightmare given physical form...

The constant, nonstop, flame attacks followed by continuously being rooted and immobilized is just too much...

I have a punchers chance against anyone else, but not these guys...

Akinos

Stamina Templar

I don't really fear any class after playing this crap game for so long, however there are certain builds I just hate to go up against and am super annoyed by. Like having a constant 15-20 DoTs and debuffs on me as a magdk and not being able to cleanse them while solo against multiple opponents.

Also certain playstyles and attitudes really bug me, like people that come at me solo and attempt to 1v1 and then wind up running into the arms of their nearest ally as soon as they realize I'm not a pushover.

However, I'm going to vote stamplar, because I got my ass kicked once or twice by a few stamplars during this patch.

FrostFallFox

Magicka Dragonknight

I don't know what it is but only against Magicka Dragonknights do I begin to struggle and can't heal myself enough compared to every other class.

Baconlad

If you dont fear a magic templar waiting for you to get complacent, with a 28k dark flare tooltip...theres somthing wrong with you

Waffennacht

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

technohic

Stamina Warden

Waffennacht wrote: »

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

Yeah. They’re not doing too bad. They hurt and there are a lot of them. Was in a 2 -4 man PUG last week and there was a Zerg that would have 3 jump on you and some crit rush spam. Just nothing you could do

Lexxypwns

Stamina Warden

Baconlad wrote: »

If you dont fear a magic templar waiting for you to get complacent, with a 28k dark flare tooltip...theres somthing wrong with you

Even if I choose not to bash the flare I’ve still got 3 weeks of travel time to decide if I can survive it

Waffennacht

technohic wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

Yeah. They’re not doing too bad. They hurt and there are a lot of them. Was in a 2 -4 man PUG last week and there was a Zerg that would have 3 jump on you and some crit rush spam. Just nothing you could do

It's cool though, I'm super impressed to see a 6k leap against my build. That's gotta be a massive tooltip

technohic

Stamina Warden

Waffennacht wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

Yeah. They’re not doing too bad. They hurt and there are a lot of them. Was in a 2 -4 man PUG last week and there was a Zerg that would have 3 jump on you and some crit rush spam. Just nothing you could do

It's cool though, I'm super impressed to see a 6k leap against my build. That's gotta be a massive tooltip

Yeah. I think I’m generally happy with balance right now. Even saw a Stam Sorc do really awesome things. Any changes that could be made are not worth opening it up for the whining.

Mazbt

Other stamplars (I play that class maybe 60% of the time), and stamblades.

Betsararie

Waffennacht wrote: »

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

This is true. You have DKs come in here and start whining and crying about their class. It has arguably the best survivability in game, and they have an incredibly cheap ult. Leap is straight up OP and cheap once you factor in its cost, and I will continue to acknowledge it as such.

It's true that Warden is simply a superior DK, but that does not mean that DK (both stam and mag) are not viable. Both are viable.

No, they're not stamden or stamplar. Stamden and stamplar are the two best classes- by far. But DK is viable and if built correctly, can fulfill a niche through use of leap and its survivability.

In fact any class can be played to be quite deadly, it depends most on player skill more than anything else (I am counting ability to put together a solid build as skill, it is).

ak_pvp

Blanco wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

This is true. You have DKs come in here and start whining and crying about their class. It has arguably the best survivability in game, and they have an incredibly cheap ult. Leap is straight up OP and cheap once you factor in its cost, and I will continue to acknowledge it as such.

It's true that Warden is simply a superior DK, but that does not mean that DK (both stam and mag) are not viable. Both are viable.

No, they're not stamden or stamplar. Stamden and stamplar are the two best classes- by far. But DK is viable and if built correctly, can fulfill a niche through use of leap and its survivability.

In fact any class can be played to be quite deadly, it depends most on player skill more than anything else (I am counting ability to put together a solid build as skill, it is).

Kek. Leap is amazing, but that is honestly

DKs relying on block/tanking. Which gets nerfed repetitively, because zergbads can't instamow them down, no matter that dots and GB damage ignore it. Due to this they have lower damage (dots are for the most part laughable and purged away) and movability than most, and their entire burst relies on leap, an ult which hits as hard as sub.

Basically DK in its current state has worst damage (Unless you build full light burst MDK, but that has little defense) OK, but gradually weaker defense, and no defense outside blocking, which every class can do. The worst sustain, and worst mobility.

Kram8ion

All of them!
I don't really take notice of what I'm up against, sure I can recognise obvs abilities aimed at me but thank goodness there various otherwise it would get a little boring so my build has a variety of counters or if I'm in a group I notice more what abilities they are using and swap some of my own for ones that aren't being used( not stupid skills ofc) making for a bit of unpredictability

technohic

Stamina Warden

ak_pvp wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Most common ult on death recap in BGs: Ferocious Leap

This is true. You have DKs come in here and start whining and crying about their class. It has arguably the best survivability in game, and they have an incredibly cheap ult. Leap is straight up OP and cheap once you factor in its cost, and I will continue to acknowledge it as such.

It's true that Warden is simply a superior DK, but that does not mean that DK (both stam and mag) are not viable. Both are viable.

No, they're not stamden or stamplar. Stamden and stamplar are the two best classes- by far. But DK is viable and if built correctly, can fulfill a niche through use of leap and its survivability.

In fact any class can be played to be quite deadly, it depends most on player skill more than anything else (I am counting ability to put together a solid build as skill, it is).

Kek. Leap is amazing, but that is honestly

DKs relying on block/tanking. Which gets nerfed repetitively, because zergbads can't instamow them down, no matter that dots and GB damage ignore it. Due to this they have lower damage (dots are for the most part laughable and purged away) and movability than most, and their entire burst relies on leap, an ult which hits as hard as sub.

Basically DK in its current state has worst damage (Unless you build full light burst MDK, but that has little defense) OK, but gradually weaker defense, and no defense outside blocking, which every class can do. The worst sustain, and worst mobility.

Its crazy for being as bad off as you say, they are literally everywhere. Tonight it took me a while to get Templar kills even with a bunch of enemy wipes. Took a while to get NBs. DKs? I thought I had a kill player quest when I picked it up, went and had 2 good fights (one 3 way) and it was done. I can remember when they were the last you wanted because they were so tanky. Seems to be a lot of glass cannone DKs running around now.

Betsararie

Kram8ion wrote: »

All of them!
I don't really take notice of what I'm up against, sure I can recognise obvs abilities aimed at me but thank goodness there various otherwise it would get a little boring so my build has a variety of counters or if I'm in a group I notice more what abilities they are using and swap some of my own for ones that aren't being used( not stupid skills off) making for a bit of unpredictability

lightning = sorc
flames/leap = dk
ganking and cloak = nb
holy light type moves/jesus beam = temp
critters/plants = warden

That's probably the simplest way to explain it.

Master_Kas

Stamina Nightblade

The sound of incap gives me shivers down my spine.

Buggy CC (sliding on floor for 1+ sec when CC breaking it)
Major defile which can be boosted alot by befoul CP
20% damage buff

I say no more

ChildOfLight

Stamina Warden

StamWarden and Nb seem to be the only two classes in pvp. At least lately.

Players are really fast learning what's broken and exploit it.

Biro123

Stamina Warden

ChildOfLight wrote: »

StamWarden and Nb seem to be the only two classes in pvp. At least lately.

Players are really fast learning what's broken and exploit it.

'Broken' and 'exploit' are such strong words - and very derogatory to use against those who understand the mechanics and put the effort and thought into a strong build.

Don't you mean people are really fast at learning what synergizes well and figuring how to use its strengths?

This is a big problem I have with mmo communities nowadays....

To me, broken was stuff like the TBS problem where you could have more munduses than you should be allowed. And exploiting is using that to gain a completely unintended (by the devs ) result.

A good build and playing it well is not ' exploiting'

Hard to see the real problems when terms like these are bandied around so much and so inappropriately.

ChildOfLight

Stamina Warden

Biro123 wrote: »

'Broken' and 'exploit' are such strong words - and very derogatory to use against those who understand the mechanics and put the effort and thought into a strong build.

Don't you mean people are really fast at learning what synergizes well and figuring how to use its strengths?

This is a big problem I have with mmo communities nowadays....

To me, broken was stuff like the TBS problem where you could have more munduses than you should be allowed. And exploiting is using that to gain a completely unintended (by the devs ) result.

A good build and playing it well is not ' exploiting'

Hard to see the real problems when terms like these are bandied around so much and so inappropriately.

I am really surprised someone really thinks copy-pasting youtubers' builds is a great demonstration of hard guessworking and theorycrafting.

Truth is the vast majority of my encounters are StamNBs and every stamNB in cyrodill is running the same KODI's MAGNIFICENT PVP BUILD FOR OWNING YOUR OPPONENTS AND FEEL GREAT: EternalHunt , MasterBow, Asylum2H.

When every encounter is just the same, when everyone is able to make full use and derive benefit from[EXPLOIT] a clear flaw in the balance system and design, that really kills my interest and enjoy in playing pvp.

And that's too bad since it feels some part of all my PVE playing loses meaning too.

Tryxus

Magicka Templar

Based on duels. For me it's a tie between:

- Magicka Templar: AoEs, DoTs, Cleanse, BoL and general tankiness. A fight with them can last a while
- Stamina DK: There are times when I can't even make a dent in their HP, yet they have no issues reducing mine
- Magicka DK: Fire Damage due to me being a vampire

If I had to pick one of them, I would go with the Magplar mainly due to the purge they have

Jaimeh

@NightbladeMechanics A+ for use of cute Pikachu gifs

As for me, it's a learn to play issue, but any stam class that uses dizzying swing/wrecking blow is the bane of my existence. It's the combination of the effect with the sound the skill makes, and I feel like a rag doll being tossed around, waiting for my death