Look at how many people hate the appearance of vampirism!!!

Runschei

makreth wrote: »

If you don't like the appearance of a vampire then go cure yourself or wear a costume...or stay stage 0

Stage 1 still shows your vampirism and costumes don't hide your skin unless you mean disguises obtainable from quests. The disguises sets your character back to the character creation as it hides armor and any crown store cosmetics. Skins hide your vampie skin but won't make you look any more normal than the vampire skin.

Catulo

Runschei wrote: »

Stage 1 still shows your vampirism and costumes don't hide your skin unless you mean disguises obtainable from quests. The disguises sets your character back to the character creation as it hides armor and any crown store cosmetics. Skins hide your vampie skin but won't make you look any more normal than the vampire skin.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Runschei

Catulo wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Stage 1 still shows your vampirism and costumes don't hide your skin unless you mean disguises obtainable from quests. The disguises sets your character back to the character creation as it hides armor and any crown store cosmetics. Skins hide your vampie skin but won't make you look any more normal than the vampire skin.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

If the appearance is the drawback, why don't we remove the reduced health regen, increased vulnerability towards fire AND the extra damage taken from the fighters guild skill line?

Tan9oSuccka

Vile creatures. Where’s the issue?

Runschei

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Vile creatures. Where’s the issue?

Lore. Where's the issue?

Tan9oSuccka

Runschei wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Vile creatures. Where’s the issue?

Lore. Where's the issue?

So people want to hide the foul appearance of vampirism but people have sore lore holes about it?

Runschei

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Vile creatures. Where’s the issue?

Lore. Where's the issue?

So people want to hide the foul appearance of vampirism but people have sore lore holes about it?

People want to hide the foul appearance of vampirism because as you stated, it is foul. Lore allows it so I see no problem.

Ladislao

Runschei wrote: »

Catulo wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Stage 1 still shows your vampirism and costumes don't hide your skin unless you mean disguises obtainable from quests. The disguises sets your character back to the character creation as it hides armor and any crown store cosmetics. Skins hide your vampie skin but won't make you look any more normal than the vampire skin.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

If the appearance is the drawback, why don't we remove the reduced health regen, increased vulnerability towards fire AND the extra damage taken from the fighters guild skill line?

Because the reduced health regen, increased vulnerability towards fire and the extra damage taken from the fighters guild skill line are also drawbacks. The proposal to remove the appearance of vampirism is tantamount to a proposal to remove the increased damage.

In the topic there were already a lot of good comparisons concerning "I want to be a vampire, I do not want to look like a vampire"

Uriel_Nocturne

I guess, as much as I love the look of liquid-paper-white skin (for those of you younger than Gen X, liquid-paper was a way to correct misspellings before there was a delete button...) on my Vamps, if Zeni -HAD TO- change it...

I guess let the normal skin tones come back, but keep the glaring yellow eyes the same.

Those eyes look sick as hell.

But personally, I love the look of Vamps as they are.

If you want the end-game buffs, you get the vamp look. That's the trade off, IMO.

I've read every page since I commented back on Page 1. All I can take from the convo since then is: People want a toggle, so that they can keep the Vampire Buffs in PvP, but not give away that they're a Vampire. They want to snicker about how they nuked some poor n00b, who attacked them and had no idea that they've Min-Maxed through Vampirism.

Dishonesty, and the desire for a (possibly minor) but still noteworthy deception in PvP; -IS NOT- a good reason for Zenimax to change anything about vampirism in ESO.

If you want the buffs, accept the look.

If the arguments of the people who want the Vampire looks changed actually had any merit, then Werewolf characters would be able to argue that it places them at an unfair disadvantage to have to shapeshift into a Werewolf in order to get the Werewolf buffs.

This argument to change Vampires is just as ignorant IMO (and it's purely my opinion).

Again; if you want the buffs, accept the look. Such is the price of horribly min-maxed power.

That's your trade-off.

Tan9oSuccka

Runschei wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Vile creatures. Where’s the issue?

Lore. Where's the issue?

So people want to hide the foul appearance of vampirism but people have sore lore holes about it?

People want to hide the foul appetarance of vampirism because as you stated, it is foul. Lore allows it so I see no problem.

Hmm. I wish they would revert the fire damage and how silver bolts used to work.

Vampires would cower and run. Now, they pretty much do whatever they please without any negatives.

Ch4mpTW

To be honest, I don’t exactly “hate” the appearance of vampirism in this game. Hate is such a strong word. I’d rather ZOS implement a means of choosing whether or not to hide the distinct characteristics of it, more so than just straight-up remove it. Make It like the skin cosmetics, in that you can toggle it on or off. I have a feeling that a change like that would be a valid answer to a lot of the complaints about it.

Runschei

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Vile creatures. Where’s the issue?

Lore. Where's the issue?

So people want to hide the foul appearance of vampirism but people have sore lore holes about it?

People want to hide the foul appetarance of vampirism because as you stated, it is foul. Lore allows it so I see no problem.

Hmm. I wish they would revert the fire damage and how silver bolts used to work.

Vampires would cower and run. Now, they pretty much do whatever they please without any negatives.

I can assure you that a dawnbreaker or a silver leash still hurts.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I've read every page since I commented back on Page 1. All I can take from the convo since then is: People want a toggle, so that they can keep the Vampire Buffs in PvP, but not give away that they're a Vampire. They want to snicker about how they nuked some poor n00b, who attacked them and had no idea that they've Min-Maxed through Vampirism.

Bufftrackers will show if you opponent is a vampire or werewolf.

xSkullfox

They only need to move the tattoo texture layer above the vampire/white layer problem solved...

BrightOblivion

For those of you arguing that appearance is a gameplay drawback, let me once again remind you that nothing else in-game works that way, not even vampirism. Or did I miss the part where you lose that power when you put on a skin or disguise or full face-covering helmet? Maybe the part where vampirism bleeds through those?

"So just use one of those!" Riiiight... Are you unaware of the fact that disguises completely hide any other appearance items, including those purchased with crowns (hair styles, tattoos, the works), that the actual crown store costumes don't hide it, and that existing skins either make you look like you have a very strange skin condition, are from a dodgy future movie, or dipped in gold/silver/acid. I suppose bloodforged isn't "oh-dear-god" terrible, but it really doesn't fit a lightning-slinging Dunmer sorc who would, given all she's done (going toe-to-toe with Uncle Sheo and getting back Eyevea under her own power for one) be able to suss out how to hide her unfortunate skin condition, possibly at the feet of Lamae Bal or one of her children.

You see, it's not just a Verandis thing. Mother Lamae specifically mentions her children being capable of walking among mortals undetected, does she not? And are not all player vampires children of Mother Lamae? We also must have some talent and skill, given we're not mindless bloodfiends and can do those vampire skill things.

"You just want to hide in PvP." Full-skin-covering armor already does this. That said, I've also repeatedly suggested a (de)buff icon that's always visible to give away at a glance that the person's a vampire and do so better than simple appearance can.

'You just want to have your cake and eat it too"/"You don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions." While yes, cake is awesome and I cannot imagine what you would do with cake besides eating it (it's not exactly a furniture item), that does not apply to this conversation. Now, if I were calling for having the buffs, but not the decreased health regen or weakness to fire, that would be applicable. Changing the appearance is not, however, an action that alters gameplay consequence. If it were, then people would be unable to hide vampirism in any form or fashion, or hiding it would remove/alter the stats. Neither of these are the case, though. Therefore, one can assume ZOS does not consider appearance to be a gameplay consequence.

"Race arguement/werewolf fur" Okay, I'll admit you can't change your khajiit or argonian's tail. A shame, because I imagine there are a few argos who lost theirs tragically. I mean, swords plus giant tails getting in the way is bound to equal accident in at least some cases. And maybe racial passives are somewhat unbalanced. That said, there's also no precedent for those changes like there is for hiding vampirism with a skin.

"But the dev work!" Would actually be quite minimal. They actually have most of the groundwork (like 95%) laid in another skin. How, you ask? It's called Amberplasm. It's already a skin. It already hides vampirism. It retains original skin tone and eye color, and it accepts crown appearance changes. The knock against it is the random orange splooge splotches. So! You take a copy of that skin, remove the splotches or make them much less noticeable, call it something like "Illusion of Mortality," and slap that baby in the crown store (or in game).

What happens as a result, in case you're curious, is guaranteed revenue for limited effort, happy customers, and a topic that dries up faster than a rain drop in the Sahara.

And an allegedly deceased equine is able to rest in peace without being subjected to repeated battery.

MLGProPlayer

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I guess, as much as I love the look of liquid-paper-white skin (for those of you younger than Gen X, liquid-paper was a way to correct misspellings before there was a delete button...) on my Vamps, if Zeni -HAD TO- change it...

I guess let the normal skin tones come back, but keep the glaring yellow eyes the same.

Those eyes look sick as hell.

But personally, I love the look of Vamps as they are.

If you want the end-game buffs, you get the vamp look. That's the trade off, IMO.

I've read every page since I commented back on Page 1. All I can take from the convo since then is: People want a toggle, so that they can keep the Vampire Buffs in PvP, but not give away that they're a Vampire. They want to snicker about how they nuked some poor n00b, who attacked them and had no idea that they've Min-Maxed through Vampirism.

Dishonesty, and the desire for a (possibly minor) but still noteworthy deception in PvP; -IS NOT- a good reason for Zenimax to change anything about vampirism in ESO.

If you want the buffs, accept the look.

If the arguments of the people who want the Vampire looks changed actually had any merit, then Werewolf characters would be able to argue that it places them at an unfair disadvantage to have to shapeshift into a Werewolf in order to get the Werewolf buffs.

This argument to change Vampires is just as ignorant IMO (and it's purely my opinion).

Again; if you want the buffs, accept the look. Such is the price of horribly min-maxed power.

That's your trade-off.

Clearly your reading comprehension skills need some improvement then.

You can already hide vampirism in PvP with masks, disguiaes, ans polymorphs.

Vampirism is mandatory for endgame PvE. People also want to be able to look good in PvE because that's what MMOs are about. Putting on polymorphs or disguises greatly reduces your customisation options.

Runschei

But it is hilarious that tattoos and warpaint is barely visible on the vampire skin, but the (hideous) lipstick from crown crates is bright as the sun

Uriel_Nocturne

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I guess, as much as I love the look of liquid-paper-white skin (for those of you younger than Gen X, liquid-paper was a way to correct misspellings before there was a delete button...) on my Vamps, if Zeni -HAD TO- change it...

I guess let the normal skin tones come back, but keep the glaring yellow eyes the same.

Those eyes look sick as hell.

But personally, I love the look of Vamps as they are.

If you want the end-game buffs, you get the vamp look. That's the trade off, IMO.

I've read every page since I commented back on Page 1. All I can take from the convo since then is: People want a toggle, so that they can keep the Vampire Buffs in PvP, but not give away that they're a Vampire. They want to snicker about how they nuked some poor n00b, who attacked them and had no idea that they've Min-Maxed through Vampirism.

Dishonesty, and the desire for a (possibly minor) but still noteworthy deception in PvP; -IS NOT- a good reason for Zenimax to change anything about vampirism in ESO.

If you want the buffs, accept the look.

If the arguments of the people who want the Vampire looks changed actually had any merit, then Werewolf characters would be able to argue that it places them at an unfair disadvantage to have to shapeshift into a Werewolf in order to get the Werewolf buffs.

This argument to change Vampires is just as ignorant IMO (and it's purely my opinion).

Again; if you want the buffs, accept the look. Such is the price of horribly min-maxed power.

That's your trade-off.

Clearly your reading comprehension skills need some improvement then.

You can already hide vampirism in PvP with masks, disguiaes, ans polymorphs.

Vampirism is mandatory for endgame PvE. People also want to be able to look good in PvE because that's what MMOs are about. Putting on polymorphs or disguises greatly reduces your customisation options.

My reading comprehension skills are functioning just fine.

I just don't agree with you.

JackWest92

BrightOblivion wrote: »

For those of you arguing that appearance is a gameplay drawback, let me once again remind you that nothing else in-game works that way, not even vampirism. Or did I miss the part where you lose that power when you put on a skin or disguise or full face-covering helmet? Maybe the part where vampirism bleeds through those?

"So just use one of those!" Riiiight... Are you unaware of the fact that disguises completely hide any other appearance items, including those purchased with crowns (hair styles, tattoos, the works), that the actual crown store costumes don't hide it, and that existing skins either make you look like you have a very strange skin condition, are from a dodgy future movie, or dipped in gold/silver/acid. I suppose bloodforged isn't "oh-dear-god" terrible, but it really doesn't fit a lightning-slinging Dunmer sorc who would, given all she's done (going toe-to-toe with Uncle Sheo and getting back Eyevea under her own power for one) be able to suss out how to hide her unfortunate skin condition, possibly at the feet of Lamae Bal or one of her children.

You see, it's not just a Verandis thing. Mother Lamae specifically mentions her children being capable of walking among mortals undetected, does she not? And are not all player vampires children of Mother Lamae? We also must have some talent and skill, given we're not mindless bloodfiends and can do those vampire skill things.

"You just want to hide in PvP." Full-skin-covering armor already does this. That said, I've also repeatedly suggested a (de)buff icon that's always visible to give away at a glance that the person's a vampire and do so better than simple appearance can.

'You just want to have your cake and eat it too"/"You don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions." While yes, cake is awesome and I cannot imagine what you would do with cake besides eating it (it's not exactly a furniture item), that does not apply to this conversation. Now, if I were calling for having the buffs, but not the decreased health regen or weakness to fire, that would be applicable. Changing the appearance is not, however, an action that alters gameplay consequence. If it were, then people would be unable to hide vampirism in any form or fashion, or hiding it would remove/alter the stats. Neither of these are the case, though. Therefore, one can assume ZOS does not consider appearance to be a gameplay consequence.

"Race arguement/werewolf fur" Okay, I'll admit you can't change your khajiit or argonian's tail. A shame, because I imagine there are a few argos who lost theirs tragically. I mean, swords plus giant tails getting in the way is bound to equal accident in at least some cases. And maybe racial passives are somewhat unbalanced. That said, there's also no precedent for those changes like there is for hiding vampirism with a skin.

"But the dev work!" Would actually be quite minimal. They actually have most of the groundwork (like 95%) laid in another skin. How, you ask? It's called Amberplasm. It's already a skin. It already hides vampirism. It retains original skin tone and eye color, and it accepts crown appearance changes. The knock against it is the random orange splooge splotches. So! You take a copy of that skin, remove the splotches or make them much less noticeable, call it something like "Illusion of Mortality," and slap that baby in the crown store (or in game).

What happens as a result, in case you're curious, is guaranteed revenue for limited effort, happy customers, and a topic that dries up faster than a rain drop in the Sahara.

And an allegedly deceased equine is able to rest in peace without being subjected to repeated battery.

Give this man a cookie. Awesome post

ProfesseurFreder

If you don't want your character to look like a vampire, DON'T BE A VAMPIRE.

Darkstar101

The part of vampirism that has always bothered me is the fact that you get stronger by NOT feeding?! That makes absolutely no sense. If they reversed the order of for the stages it would solve a lot of the complaints AND actually give people a reason to feed in order to maintain their strength and looks. A fully sated vampire should be able to nearly pass for human and be stronger than one that is starved. Using vampire abilities would still degrade their vitality and would need to feed to regain their strength.

SpearDusk

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

So what you are saying is that we should look stupidly ugly because we have to wear vampire for the insane bonuses you get from it. It's not even a choice.

Of course it is a choice.

Choose the bonuses then choose to look ugly.

No one is forcing you to be a vampire.

You just want to pretend you are "forced" to be vampire so you can get all entitled and whine about being ugly.

Don't want to be ugly?
Don't CHOOSE to be a Vampire.

That is what I did, and you'll not hear me complain about missing out on those bonuses - because it WAS MY CHOICE.

Just like it WAS YOUR CHOICE to be ugly to get those bonuses.

Stop whining and man up.

All The Best

Well said ;p

Belyar

I actually like lvl 1-2 vampirism. My breton looks hot af.

Verbal_Earthworm

"This is not the vampire rpg you are looking for..."

*waves hands*

Gandrhulf_Harbard

BrightOblivion wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

BrightOblivion wrote: »

If you want the buffs from a monster head, deal with looking like a doofus.

Simples......

"

All that wall of rambling text when you could have been honest and said "I don't want to deal with the consequences of choices I freely made".


All The Best

Look, you. If you're going to end every post with "All the Best," you should really probably mean it

I do mean it, even for people I vehemently disagree with.

All The Best

mirta000b16_ESO

JackWest92 wrote: »

He is casting an illusion. I am talking about a spell that changes something permanently. And according to your 'lore' i do remember beating the *** out of Molag Bal himself like he is nothing more than a delve boss. Doesnt that make my character powerful enough to shift the color of an object(her own skin)?

How do you learn such spell? Who else in the universe uses it?

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Clearly your reading comprehension skills need some improvement then.

You can already hide vampirism in PvP with masks, disguiaes, ans polymorphs.

Vampirism is mandatory for endgame PvE. People also want to be able to look good in PvE because that's what MMOs are about. Putting on polymorphs or disguises greatly reduces your customisation options.

you can use the exact same things in PVE too. You know, masks, disguises and polymorphs.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

BrightOblivion wrote: »

Let me put those positions in a smaller post so that maybe you can follow along. You ready?

-It does not make sense to say one thing that changes how you look but leaves stat improvements is okay (transmog) and say that another which does exactly the same thing is not.

You are right, it doesn't make sense.

But it IS what we have.

All The Best

Giraffon

I TRIED to read this thread...but it's just...

I just want to suggest that Zeni could probably make a small mint by selling vampire costmetics (makeup) that allows you to be stage 4 but only appear to be stage 1. I would be interested in something like that.

It seems to me that with all the vamps running around in broad daylight that they MUST be using some kind of sun block, right?

altemriel

Khajiit has to say that she prefered her look before her change, she got pretty much used to her new look.
If someone hates to be a vampire, maybe they should seek for the cure.

Feeling proud to be a vampire lord
Maoimii

MLGProPlayer

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

He is casting an illusion. I am talking about a spell that changes something permanently. And according to your 'lore' i do remember beating the *** out of Molag Bal himself like he is nothing more than a delve boss. Doesnt that make my character powerful enough to shift the color of an object(her own skin)?

How do you learn such spell? Who else in the universe uses it?

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Clearly your reading comprehension skills need some improvement then.

You can already hide vampirism in PvP with masks, disguiaes, ans polymorphs.

Vampirism is mandatory for endgame PvE. People also want to be able to look good in PvE because that's what MMOs are about. Putting on polymorphs or disguises greatly reduces your customisation options.

you can use the exact same things in PVE too. You know, masks, disguises and polymorphs.

But they limit your ability to customize your appearance. Customizing your appearance is a hallmark of the MMO genre.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Storymaster wrote: »

(Argh. Double post.)

Is that the Nosferatu from V:TM?

It is indeed.

#Lasombra The only Clan that matters.

Have you seen this: http://werewolf-videogame.com/en

Seems the plan is to do Vampire The Masquerade as well.

Shame that so far it looks like being single player only.

A Werewolf The Apocalypse MMORPG would pretty much steal my life.

All The Best