Look at how many people hate the appearance of vampirism!!!

BrightOblivion

forwardbias83 wrote: »

I like the appearance of stage 4, the pale skin, long black hair, and the fangs that orcs have, and an outfit dyed with Coldharbour Ash Black. Perhaps for people that don't like the appearance of stage 4, add a passive to the vampire skill line. Each skill point reduces the appearance of your vampire stage by 1. Max of 4 points. 1 point would set your stage appearance to 3, 2 points would set your stage appearance to 2, 3 points would set your stage appearance to 1, and 4 points, and you would look as if you were not a vampire at all, retaining your original skin color, shade of tattoos, etc. With something like that in place there would be no need to change existing skin textures for people that do like that effect, and would allow a person customization if someone wanted to reduce that effect. Could call the passive, Mortal Disguise.

Legitimately, the more I think about this idea, the more I like it. There is a tradeoff in terms of skillpoints, but not a tremendous one, and skill points denote learning and progress. You know, like learning to hide one's condition.

The downside is that it does take more time/ resources than just refitting a skin would.

chaserstorm16909

I don't hate the appearance of vampirism. In fact, my only complaint is losing my red eyes in stage 4. In my opinion, it makes me look like less of a vampire.

Alchemical

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Rawkan

You're a vampire, you're not gonna look pretty. Wear a mask.

MLGProPlayer

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

MLGProPlayer

idk wrote: »

330. It's total from a small pool of players in Reddit that happened to come across that thread, look at it and cared enough to up/down vote means nothing.

It's a junk poll if it's even to be considered a poll. Probably not even at the low level our forum polls are at, which is pretty low.

330 is a statistically significant sample size. Reddit is also a pretty good representation of the player base given it receives the most traffic of any ESO discussion board and it doesn't require an invitation to join (unlike the official forums).

Alchemical

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

MLGProPlayer

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Alchemical

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Okay? Then live with being ugly. You're choosing it. Don't make it sound like you don't have a choice. Be ugly, be a few percentage points better. Or don't. You're not missing out on anything in the game, it is doable without it.

JackWest92

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Minyassa

If we actually get to be vampires and look like normal humans, then I am also going to expect to get to be one race and look like another. I hate the way orcs look but they are BiS for speed so I've had to accept that either I can be fast or not look like an orc. But if there's a way for me to not look like an orc (without covering up with a mask or helmet because pssh) and still have an orc's racial passives then I am ALL ABOUT THAT. So yeah, let's do this with vampires and then demand it with player races too!

JackWest92

Minyassa wrote: »

If we actually get to be vampires and look like normal humans, then I am also going to expect to get to be one race and look like another. I hate the way orcs look but they are BiS for speed so I've had to accept that either I can be fast or not look like an orc. But if there's a way for me to not look like an orc (without covering up with a mask or helmet because pssh) and still have an orc's racial passives then I am ALL ABOUT THAT. So yeah, let's do this with vampires and then demand it with player races too!

Vampie skin is a 'appearance' feature forced with combat stuff, 2 things that should never be related. Your comparison is invalid. You are literally comparing 'rooster' to a 'kitty' and telling me its the same thing. The 'skin' is part of the modifiable toolkit and race isnt. Also, race gives you combat benefits and what skin you have on you doesnt. Yes, the vamp does, but it alao makes you die from stuff you otherwise wouldnt. So that less room for error is the price for being vamp. Character looks ahould never be connected to 'character progression'

MLGProPlayer

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Okay? Then live with being ugly. You're choosing it. Don't make it sound like you don't have a choice. Be ugly, be a few percentage points better. Or don't. You're not missing out on anything in the game, it is doable without it.

You are missing out on being optimised.

MLGProPlayer

Minyassa wrote: »

If we actually get to be vampires and look like normal humans, then I am also going to expect to get to be one race and look like another. I hate the way orcs look but they are BiS for speed so I've had to accept that either I can be fast or not look like an orc. But if there's a way for me to not look like an orc (without covering up with a mask or helmet because pssh) and still have an orc's racial passives then I am ALL ABOUT THAT. So yeah, let's do this with vampires and then demand it with player races too!

I agree that racial passives suck too. Especially when certain skin colours (or even genders, as is the case in some games) are locked behind a race. Want to play a black mage in ESO? Nope, can't do that. You can only be a white elf, a silver elf, or a white human.

Minyassa

JackWest92 wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

If we actually get to be vampires and look like normal humans, then I am also going to expect to get to be one race and look like another. I hate the way orcs look but they are BiS for speed so I've had to accept that either I can be fast or not look like an orc. But if there's a way for me to not look like an orc (without covering up with a mask or helmet because pssh) and still have an orc's racial passives then I am ALL ABOUT THAT. So yeah, let's do this with vampires and then demand it with player races too!

Vampie skin is a 'appearance' fesature forced with combat stuff, 2 things that should nevwr be related. Your conparison is invalid. You are literally comparing 'rooster' to a 'kitty' and telling me its the same thing. The 'skin' is part of the modifiable toolkit and race isnt. Also, race gives you combat benefits and what skin you have on you doesnt

No, I'm actually seeing this as an opportunity to push for not having to have looks paired with chosen features. I can't modify the orc appearance sufficiently to make them not hideous, so it's either be horrible or be fast, so it bars me from being competitive with mat farmers. But if ZOS decides that appearance is not a sealed deal that would be great for me and others who want to not have to look a certain way just for a trait bundle.

mirta000b16_ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Vampirism is a gameplay choice too though. It provides incredibly strong buffs that are almost mandatory for serious PvE content.

One should not have to choose between gameplay optimisation and appearance.

perhaps you should be asking for vampire passives to be nerfed then.

MLGProPlayer

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Vampirism is a gameplay choice too though. It provides incredibly strong buffs that are almost mandatory for serious PvE content.

One should not have to choose between gameplay optimisation and appearance.

perhaps you should be asking for vampire passives to be nerfed then.

I already did in another thread. It's another easy solution to this problem.

Keep vampirism strictly for RP purposes.

Alchemical

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Haven't bought it yet, but never in any point in time has not min maxing made content inaccessible to me. Not in ESO, not in any game.

But I'll be fair, I'm a healer. Managing the DPS isn't my job, keeping the DPS from tanking the floor is. But if I have issues with sustain 9 out of 10 times it's because I'm playing like an absolute idiot, not because I'm not a vampire.

I guarantee you, 100%, you can clear it without being a vampire or I'll eat my hat on livestream.

MLGProPlayer

Alchemical wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Haven't bought it yet, but never in any point in time has not min maxing made content inaccessible to me. Not in ESO, not in any game.

But I'll be fair, I'm a healer. Managing the DPS isn't my job, keeping the DPS from tanking the floor is. But if I have issues with sustain 9 out of 10 times it's because I'm playing like an absolute idiot, not because I'm not a vampire.

I guarantee you, 100%, you can clear it without being a vampire or I'll eat my hat on livestream.

You can clear all content without vampirism, but you can clear it more easily with. This makes doing things like leader board runs, no death runs, etc. a lot easier.

If you have two players of equal skill, one with vampirism and the other one without, the one with will always perform better. Even if it's by just 1%, that extra 1% still matters in some content.

JackWest92

Minyassa wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

If we actually get to be vampires and look like normal humans, then I am also going to expect to get to be one race and look like another. I hate the way orcs look but they are BiS for speed so I've had to accept that either I can be fast or not look like an orc. But if there's a way for me to not look like an orc (without covering up with a mask or helmet because pssh) and still have an orc's racial passives then I am ALL ABOUT THAT. So yeah, let's do this with vampires and then demand it with player races too!

Vampie skin is a 'appearance' fesature forced with combat stuff, 2 things that should nevwr be related. Your conparison is invalid. You are literally comparing 'rooster' to a 'kitty' and telling me its the same thing. The 'skin' is part of the modifiable toolkit and race isnt. Also, race gives you combat benefits and what skin you have on you doesnt

No, I'm actually seeing this as an opportunity to push for not having to have looks paired with chosen features. I can't modify the orc appearance sufficiently to make them not hideous, so it's either be horrible or be fast, so it bars me from being competitive with mat farmers. But if ZOS decides that appearance is not a sealed deal that would be great for me and others who want to not have to look a certain way just for a trait bundle.

This can actually work, as long as those 'perks' that are atm racials come with a side effect'. F.x. Wood elves having less health, or taking more dot damage. I wouldnt mind that thh, as would allow more race choice, but still you pay a price for choosing certain 'racials'

JackWest92

Alchemical wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Haven't bought it yet, but never in any point in time has not min maxing made content inaccessible to me. Not in ESO, not in any game.

But I'll be fair, I'm a healer. Managing the DPS isn't my job, keeping the DPS from tanking the floor is. But if I have issues with sustain 9 out of 10 times it's because I'm playing like an absolute idiot, not because I'm not a vampire.

I guarantee you, 100%, you can clear it without being a vampire or I'll eat my hat on livestream.

Healers and tanks can get away with it. My healer aint vamp either. But for dd is a must

Alchemical

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Haven't bought it yet, but never in any point in time has not min maxing made content inaccessible to me. Not in ESO, not in any game.

But I'll be fair, I'm a healer. Managing the DPS isn't my job, keeping the DPS from tanking the floor is. But if I have issues with sustain 9 out of 10 times it's because I'm playing like an absolute idiot, not because I'm not a vampire.

I guarantee you, 100%, you can clear it without being a vampire or I'll eat my hat on livestream.

You can clear all content without vampirism, but you can clear it more easily with. This makes doing things like leader board runs, no death runs, etc. a lot easier.

If you have two players of equal skill, one with vampirism and the other one without, the one with will always perform better. Even if it's by just 1%, that extra 1% still matters in some content.

Not gonna argue that, that's common sense. But if 1% matters to you more than your appearance, then that's the breaks. You've got tools to deal with it even; Disguises, costumes, skins, armor that covers it up. That's all been established.

I'm not an idiot. I've done teeth shattingly frustratingly difficult content before. But I just don't understand how such a topic can escalate to such a level of vitriol that spans 8 pages. You just have to order your priorities, and if that 1% is worth more than your appearance, then get the vampirism. If it's not worth it, work 1% harder.

My point is it's not mandatory to complete content, not that it is equally easy to complete the same content without it.

Alchemical

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Haven't bought it yet, but never in any point in time has not min maxing made content inaccessible to me. Not in ESO, not in any game.

But I'll be fair, I'm a healer. Managing the DPS isn't my job, keeping the DPS from tanking the floor is. But if I have issues with sustain 9 out of 10 times it's because I'm playing like an absolute idiot, not because I'm not a vampire.

I guarantee you, 100%, you can clear it without being a vampire or I'll eat my hat on livestream.

Healers and tanks can get away with it. My healer aint vamp either. But for dd is a must

One of the posts at the beginning of the thread said healing templars needed to be vamps and I was so mind boggled by that assertion it's what had me furiously typing in the first place. Because, first hand, I know this has never been true in the past and can't imagine it suddenly becoming true for a single trial.

I honestly don't want to imagine what it's like for Stamina DPS honestly.

Runschei

Rawkan wrote: »

You're a vampire, you're not gonna look pretty. Wear a mask.

That is sinply avoiding the issue.

JackWest92

Alchemical wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

JackWest92 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

So you cleared vAS HM?

WITH vampirism i never have sustaun issues in vet trials, but in AS i do, every time, and we still havent even attempted hm yet, which i believe would be rly unforgiving dps wise so sitting there heavy attacking as stam build half the time will be an issue. Imagine the sustain there without vamp...

Haven't bought it yet, but never in any point in time has not min maxing made content inaccessible to me. Not in ESO, not in any game.

But I'll be fair, I'm a healer. Managing the DPS isn't my job, keeping the DPS from tanking the floor is. But if I have issues with sustain 9 out of 10 times it's because I'm playing like an absolute idiot, not because I'm not a vampire.

I guarantee you, 100%, you can clear it without being a vampire or I'll eat my hat on livestream.

Healers and tanks can get away with it. My healer aint vamp either. But for dd is a must

One of the posts at the beginning of the thread said healing templars needed to be vamps and I was so mind boggled by that assertion it's what had me furiously typing in the first place. Because, first hand, I know this has never been true in the past and can't imagine it suddenly becoming true for a single trial.

I honestly don't want to imagine what it's like for Stamina DPS honestly.

I dont think its true either, so i get you. But there were few guys here that also kept saying 'we should live with the concequences' and bringing wow as comparison. Meanwhile every time wow adds a visual feature that goes together with combat(fire mage artifact in legion and the orbs floating around the character) they allow you to hide it. If someone brings how it doesnt fit the lore they just slap some explanation to it and people stop arguing. Yesterday seeing those 2-3 guys who keep saying this to every second comment really triggered me, and i have the feeling it was similar with you.

To those who still keep saying 'deal with it', is it what we should also tell the people complaining about Miat's addon? I do think the addon shouldnt be allowed but i think 'i am gonna use whatever addon i want' is good answer for 'i am gonna use whatever build i want'. I am looking at you, snipe builds, killing people from stealth with 0 skill involved. Sry, might have went a bit off topic

Alexandrious

@Gandrhulf_Harbard

Hmm....annoying end line at the end of all his posts....not knowing what it really means.......

I saw something similar somewhere....


wait......

*Looks at ToR forums*

Darthspuds is that you?

Darkstorne

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Okay? Then live with being ugly. You're choosing it. Don't make it sound like you don't have a choice. Be ugly, be a few percentage points better. Or don't. You're not missing out on anything in the game, it is doable without it.

You are missing out on being optimised.

And you are missing out on being pretty.

Where do we draw the line on this? I want to be a healer that doesn't have a destro back bar for Elemental Drain, but I have to for "optimisation". Maybe all weapon skills should be used on all weapons now? Maybe all class skills should be used by any class? Maybe all races should meld together into one homogenised gloop of matter that can fart out all skills and spells in a single instant cast cacophony of chaos. That would be optimised imo.

Vampires in this series have always traded their appearance for power. That's a big part of the choice you need to make. There are very few instances of vampires who can hide their appearance, so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of a super challenging quest/trial/arena that can reward vampires with the ability to perfectly mask their vampirism, but it would have to be hard to obtain, and require upkeep, to match the lore.

JackWest92

Darkstorne wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Okay? Then live with being ugly. You're choosing it. Don't make it sound like you don't have a choice. Be ugly, be a few percentage points better. Or don't. You're not missing out on anything in the game, it is doable without it.

You are missing out on being optimised.

And you are missing out on being pretty.

Where do we draw the line on this? I want to be a healer that doesn't have a destro back bar for Elemental Drain, but I have to for "optimisation". Maybe all weapon skills should be used on all weapons now?.

We draw the line at the combat. What you 'compare it with' affects the combat system and class design. What skin our character has, doesnt.

MLGProPlayer

Darkstorne wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Okay? Then live with being ugly. You're choosing it. Don't make it sound like you don't have a choice. Be ugly, be a few percentage points better. Or don't. You're not missing out on anything in the game, it is doable without it.

You are missing out on being optimised.

And you are missing out on being pretty.

Where do we draw the line on this? I want to be a healer that doesn't have a destro back bar for Elemental Drain, but I have to for "optimisation". Maybe all weapon skills should be used on all weapons now? Maybe all class skills should be used by any class? Maybe all races should meld together into one homogenised gloop of matter that can fart out all skills and spells in a single instant cast cacophony of chaos. That would be optimised imo.

We draw the line at gameplay mechanics being separate from RP ones.

And if anything will create a "homogenised gloop of matter" it will be mandatory visual skins (like vampirism). Everyone and their mother is a vampire because of the benefits it provides. It kills aesthetic diversity.

JackWest92

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Y'all are wild. I can't believe that people who hate being vampires are vampires because, what, it's 2% more efficient than not being one? I'm sure you could be 2% better if you just spent more time practicing instead of fretting 16 paragraphs at a time over stuff you don't like about the choice you made.

My Templar is not a vampire and doesn't have problems with end game content. It's obviously NOT mandatory because I am over here doing the end game content without it. Look at me go.

Min-maxing means optimizing your build to be the best it can possibly be. That's only possible if you're a vampire.

It's not mandatory. It's 100% doable without it. I am literally doing it right now.

Doable =/= optimised

Okay? Then live with being ugly. You're choosing it. Don't make it sound like you don't have a choice. Be ugly, be a few percentage points better. Or don't. You're not missing out on anything in the game, it is doable without it.

You are missing out on being optimised.

And you are missing out on being pretty.

Where do we draw the line on this? I want to be a healer that doesn't have a destro back bar for Elemental Drain, but I have to for "optimisation". Maybe all weapon skills should be used on all weapons now? Maybe all class skills should be used by any class? Maybe all races should meld together into one homogenised gloop of matter that can fart out all skills and spells in a single instant cast cacophony of chaos. That would be optimised imo.

We draw the line at gameplay mechanics being separate from RP ones.

And if anything will create a "homogenised gloop of matter" it will be mandatory visual skins (like vampirism). Everyone and their mother is a vampire because of the benefits it provides. It kills aesthetic diversity.

I think we should just drop it. Sitting in Argent Dawn's inn, with their character drinking beer, and them pretending they are drunk, has degenerated the brain of some people around. No point explaining them something too complex for their intellect to grasp
Or, they are just trolling and we are taking the bait