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Lumsdenml

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

I've been told this is a good place for an EP whelming Kyne noob to donate his AP. Is this true?

yes ... i would like some AP Lums

You just gotta find me!

DeadlyRecluse

I have a few great screenshots from the chalman fight (I didn't realize it was a dethrone stackfest and stumbled up there when soloing around).

My whole game froze and I was able to pivot around take "action shots." Pity the game crashed proper before I could hide my UI and get really cool stuff.

casparian

Kush and Dreadlords currently stacking on Ales.

This is while AD has emp and only one Emp keep left.

Rickter

Had a great fight with Darkest Requiem on Ales Farm tonight. Felt like old times. Felt like each fight could go either way. Props to @Prince_of_all_Pugs 's team on that one.

Too bad the EP from Bleakers cut that one short.

Rickter

Damn. . . KUSH raid confirmed. . .

NBrookus

Both Invictus and KUSH showed up to zerg throne after you logged off.

Classy.

Valen_Byte

Yur classy

Vapirko

NBrookus wrote: »

Both Invictus and KUSH showed up to zerg throne after you logged off.

Classy.

Just go spend some time in Vivec and you'll be reminded what a real faction stack is like. It is mind boggling that the majority of people on Vivec like to play that way. Its terrible.

casparian

Vapirko wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Both Invictus and KUSH showed up to zerg throne after you logged off.

Classy.

Just go spend some time in Vivec and you'll be reminded what a real faction stack is like. It is mind boggling that the majority of people on Vivec like to play that way. Its terrible.

The great majority of gamers prefer a game that you can hop into without dedicating numerous hours per week to thinking about it and working at it. (Case in point: the current popularity of battle royale games.) Zerg PVP is ESO's closest equivalent to that style of gameplay that still makes players feel as though they're bada**es who have overcome a big challenge (the other zerg).

BaylorCorvette

casparian wrote: »

The great majority of gamers prefer a game that you can hop into without dedicating numerous hours per week to thinking about it and working at it. (Case in point: the current popularity of battle royale games.) Zerg PVP is ESO's closest equivalent to that style of gameplay that still makes players feel as though they're bada**es who have overcome a big challenge (the other zerg).

I tend to agree with this assessment. 90% of the time I prefer some sort of small scale PvP in Shor, 2vX or 3vX. But every now and then I just don't want to put forth the effort and concentration required to competitively do that for a couple of hours straight, so I'll just look for a random siege and join in the mayhem. Having said that, I refuse to go back to Vivec, haven't steeped foot in that campaign in about 2-3 months. That huge AD, DC, EP faction stack at Chalman the other night was a nice little shake up, but I'm not going to miss the 15-20 FPS I was getting, and having my streak delayed for a second or two!

NBrookus

Vapirko wrote: »

Just go spend some time in Vivec and you'll be reminded what a real faction stack is like. It is mind boggling that the majority of people on Vivec like to play that way. Its terrible.

I know. Vivec is where I go when I want to magDK and I am willing to play at 6fps and not be able to bar swap. While I happily multi-faction I don't like to switch *too* often; I am giving a return to DC a trial as a favor and I have to say it's been pleasant. Zone chat is cordial and mature.

Trying to update my templar build to feel like the holy melee warrior he used to be... not so pleasant. What a sad shambles this class has become.

@Valen_Byte I was surprised neither one of us had a zerg roll up behind... but there was no way I was going to be able to fight you on the guards and be one negate away from death.

Valen_Byte

@NBrookus You would have taken me fairly easily had you pressured me on the stairs. Lucky for me you went up to the farm. Im no dummy, Ill use guards any chance I get. Especially when ther is a very good chance of me ending up ded. lol

Vilestride

Adenoma wrote: »

Yeah, I don’t see that nerf as a real nerf. It’s still a strong heal, removes negates, and will now have less overhealing.

If they just nerfed it to where it specifically couldn’t remove negates (but ideally thinks like nova and standard too because it would be nice if those were relevant again) then it would be fine. I just feel like the name “negate” implies that ultimate should be the ultimate “no.”

Banners are definitely relevant. Nova's Time will come. Keen for summerset

Vapirko

Vilestride wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

Yeah, I don’t see that nerf as a real nerf. It’s still a strong heal, removes negates, and will now have less overhealing.

If they just nerfed it to where it specifically couldn’t remove negates (but ideally thinks like nova and standard too because it would be nice if those were relevant again) then it would be fine. I just feel like the name “negate” implies that ultimate should be the ultimate “no.”

Banners are definitely relevant. Nova's Time will come. Keen for summerset

It’s just insane that a proc set can put an end to one of the mos costly ultimates in the game.

Vilestride

Vapirko wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

Yeah, I don’t see that nerf as a real nerf. It’s still a strong heal, removes negates, and will now have less overhealing.

If they just nerfed it to where it specifically couldn’t remove negates (but ideally thinks like nova and standard too because it would be nice if those were relevant again) then it would be fine. I just feel like the name “negate” implies that ultimate should be the ultimate “no.”

Banners are definitely relevant. Nova's Time will come. Keen for summerset

It’s just insane that a proc set can put an end to one of the mos costly ultimates in the game.

Agreed.

gabriebe

Meh, considering most healers build get nearly annihilated by Duroks Bane+Befoul, EG is fine in my book.

Durham

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

The great majority of gamers prefer a game that you can hop into without dedicating numerous hours per week to thinking about it and working at it. (Case in point: the current popularity of battle royale games.) Zerg PVP is ESO's closest equivalent to that style of gameplay that still makes players feel as though they're bada**es who have overcome a big challenge (the other zerg).

I tend to agree with this assessment. 90% of the time I prefer some sort of small scale PvP in Shor, 2vX or 3vX. But every now and then I just don't want to put forth the effort and concentration required to competitively do that for a couple of hours straight, so I'll just look for a random siege and join in the mayhem. Having said that, I refuse to go back to Vivec, haven't steeped foot in that campaign in about 2-3 months. That huge AD, DC, EP faction stack at Chalman the other night was a nice little shake up, but I'm not going to miss the 15-20 FPS I was getting, and having my streak delayed for a second or two!

I left Vevic as soon as the lag began after the first lighting patch.... 2 months after release of the game.... I played Had .. and I have never looked back.. Playing in an enviroment that makes your charactor unresponsive is not fun... Until recently the players here were some of the best tempered in the game... We killed each other we liked fighting each other looked forward to seeing each other out at night... The vast majority of the time Had and Shor have been up both blues and yellows have struggled against the vast numbers of the RED who tended to faction stack much easier due to the sheer numbers they had.... In my opinion Shor is the best server for smaller scales fights. Its the server where lag is minimal ... Its the best SERVER !!!

Rickter

gabriebe wrote: »

Meh, considering most healers build get nearly annihilated by Duroks Bane+Befoul, EG is fine in my book.

I run befoul cp and liberally spam reverb bash and ive had people heal up just fine. Every other duel or so i’ll have someone say their heals did nothing but more often than not and especially in open world, healing always comes out on top.

Befoul doesnt negate healing. And in fact this game has a reputation for over tuned healing. Coupled with cross healing of vigor, and how shields are, throwing EG in there tips it over the edge.

I know its easy to jump on the befoul hate train, but its a counter to another real issue.

Durham

casparian wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Both Invictus and KUSH showed up to zerg throne after you logged off.

Classy.

Just go spend some time in Vivec and you'll be reminded what a real faction stack is like. It is mind boggling that the majority of people on Vivec like to play that way. Its terrible.

The great majority of gamers prefer a game that you can hop into without dedicating numerous hours per week to thinking about it and working at it. (Case in point: the current popularity of battle royale games.) Zerg PVP is ESO's closest equivalent to that style of gameplay that still makes players feel as though they're bada**es who have overcome a big challenge (the other zerg).

I agree, Zergs are actually benificial to the game ... It actually brings people into PVP. People that tend to come into PVP and leave with a bad taste generally fall into 2 groups...
1. LAGGGGGG
2. Trying to solo and getting destroyed in less then 2 secs

I do not like groups larger then 8 personally ... I hate temspeak at that point to many people talking ... More people = more work for the leader...

Rickter

Durham wrote: »

I do not like groups larger then 8 personally ... I hate temspeak at that point to many people talking ... More people = more work for the leader...

this is exactly why Ive trimmed down. 8-10 is the sweet spot for me. Any more than that and I start to get high blood pressure.

but it goes both ways. Example:

You have 7 in your group and youre stealthed at a resource watching 10 people flipping it. You look up at your raid frames and youre like "hey i have 7, we can take em" - but then you look at the map and you see one person afk at high rock, one person said earlier they needed to go pee, and one person got caught up with the zerg at Chalman when you had told everyone to port back to Aleswell. All of a sudden, its not 7v10 is it? its 4v10 and them odds aint so good. lol

Durham

Rickter wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

I do not like groups larger then 8 personally ... I hate temspeak at that point to many people talking ... More people = more work for the leader...

this is exactly why Ive trimmed down. 8-10 is the sweet spot for me. Any more than that and I start to get high blood pressure.

but it goes both ways. Example:

You have 7 in your group and youre stealthed at a resource watching 10 people flipping it. You look up at your raid frames and youre like "hey i have 7, we can take em" - but then you look at the map and you see one person afk at high rock, one person said earlier they needed to go pee, and one person got caught up with the zerg at Chalman when you had told everyone to port back to Aleswell. All of a sudden, its not 7v10 is it? its 4v10 and them odds aint so good. lol

We very rarely have everyone playing in a group of 8 lol ...

Lets see..
Below are popular topics every night !

Bathroom ....
Going to make a sanwich
Pizza is here
Need a Drink.....
Where are you guys....
Dam we need a healer ...
WOW im buzzed
Watcha drinking
Lookt there is a guy he ran into a tower and he wants us to chase him for 5 minutes ..
Look there is a guy behind a rock he wants us to chase him for 2 minutes running around various rocks
Dont chase the Night Blade
Did someone say Boobs
I had you muted
I saw a squirl
NFL football related issues
JOB
Im being tea bagged by ()**&&
Im dead
Im froze up
Im zoning
Im nerfed
Funny insults to group members ...
look at that outfit
I cant see you !!! Need to run out of clip range
Hold on this guy is sending me hate tells let me tell the whole group what he is saying!
Hey listen to how great my build is !!
Let go take this or that...
ZERG!!!!!!

NobleX35

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus the matching cp counter to befoul is the combination OR one or the other of: Blessed and Quick Recovery.

A lot of people dont use it but there are as many if not more complaints about this games overtuned healing than befoul. Albeit befoul is very strong.

Straight up both those cp directly counter reduced effectiveness of healing. 2 to 1 there. Thats why befoul is as strong as it is.

I know, I use both -- but the CP Investment to match Befoul is way out of balance. There's no matching single star with the same scaling. 50 points in Blessed = 11.25% plus 50 points into Quick Recovery = 11.25%, and they aren't additive, it's multiplicative. (Roughly 20%.) 50 points into Befoul is 41.25% with no mathematical reduction, and 100 points gets you 55%.

Both blessed and quick recovery are direct percentage increases, where as becoul is a percentage increase of a percentage. 100 points into befoul only grants you an extra 16% extra decreased healing on major defile and an extra 8% on minor defile.

Considering that defile/befoul is the only counter to both healing done and healing received, I think the percentages are rather reasonable. Befoul could maybe use a slight nerf; however, the real problem rests with sets like duroks and cyrodiils crest, where you can have 100% uptime on multiple targets. These sets really need to be looked at and tweaked.

Durham

NobleX35 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus the matching cp counter to befoul is the combination OR one or the other of: Blessed and Quick Recovery.

A lot of people dont use it but there are as many if not more complaints about this games overtuned healing than befoul. Albeit befoul is very strong.

Straight up both those cp directly counter reduced effectiveness of healing. 2 to 1 there. Thats why befoul is as strong as it is.

I know, I use both -- but the CP Investment to match Befoul is way out of balance. There's no matching single star with the same scaling. 50 points in Blessed = 11.25% plus 50 points into Quick Recovery = 11.25%, and they aren't additive, it's multiplicative. (Roughly 20%.) 50 points into Befoul is 41.25% with no mathematical reduction, and 100 points gets you 55%.

Both blessed and quick recovery are direct percentage increases, where as becoul is a percentage increase of a percentage. 100 points into befoul only grants you an extra 16% extra decreased healing on major defile and an extra 8% on minor defile.

Considering that defile/befoul is the only counter to both healing done and healing received, I think the percentages are rather reasonable. Befoul could maybe use a slight nerf; however, the real problem rests with sets like duroks and cyrodiils crest, where you can have 100% uptime on multiple targets. These sets really need to be looked at and tweaked.

I think duroks was put in to counter some of the zerg ball healing but in small scale its not balanced at all...

Rickter

NobleX35 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus the matching cp counter to befoul is the combination OR one or the other of: Blessed and Quick Recovery.

A lot of people dont use it but there are as many if not more complaints about this games overtuned healing than befoul. Albeit befoul is very strong.

Straight up both those cp directly counter reduced effectiveness of healing. 2 to 1 there. Thats why befoul is as strong as it is.

I know, I use both -- but the CP Investment to match Befoul is way out of balance. There's no matching single star with the same scaling. 50 points in Blessed = 11.25% plus 50 points into Quick Recovery = 11.25%, and they aren't additive, it's multiplicative. (Roughly 20%.) 50 points into Befoul is 41.25% with no mathematical reduction, and 100 points gets you 55%.

Both blessed and quick recovery are direct percentage increases, where as becoul is a percentage increase of a percentage. 100 points into befoul only grants you an extra 16% extra decreased healing on major defile and an extra 8% on minor defile.

Considering that defile/befoul is the only counter to both healing done and healing received, I think the percentages are rather reasonable. Befoul could maybe use a slight nerf; however, the real problem rests with sets like duroks and cyrodiils crest, where you can have 100% uptime on multiple targets. These sets really need to be looked at and tweaked.

Well put. @gabriebe read over this carefully. You need befoul more than you know.

pzschrek

@Durham that was beautiful. That was every voice chat I've ever been in succinctly condensed into a few phrases

Vilestride

Durham wrote: »

NobleX35 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus the matching cp counter to befoul is the combination OR one or the other of: Blessed and Quick Recovery.

A lot of people dont use it but there are as many if not more complaints about this games overtuned healing than befoul. Albeit befoul is very strong.

Straight up both those cp directly counter reduced effectiveness of healing. 2 to 1 there. Thats why befoul is as strong as it is.

I know, I use both -- but the CP Investment to match Befoul is way out of balance. There's no matching single star with the same scaling. 50 points in Blessed = 11.25% plus 50 points into Quick Recovery = 11.25%, and they aren't additive, it's multiplicative. (Roughly 20%.) 50 points into Befoul is 41.25% with no mathematical reduction, and 100 points gets you 55%.

Both blessed and quick recovery are direct percentage increases, where as becoul is a percentage increase of a percentage. 100 points into befoul only grants you an extra 16% extra decreased healing on major defile and an extra 8% on minor defile.

Considering that defile/befoul is the only counter to both healing done and healing received, I think the percentages are rather reasonable. Befoul could maybe use a slight nerf; however, the real problem rests with sets like duroks and cyrodiils crest, where you can have 100% uptime on multiple targets. These sets really need to be looked at and tweaked.

I think duroks was put in to counter some of the zerg ball healing but in small scale its not balanced at all...

Duroks is a great set. Even for large scale. Hence why banners are also so relevant. Anything that ensures the enemy group has that major defile is doing work.

Minno

Rickter wrote: »

NobleX35 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@NBrookus the matching cp counter to befoul is the combination OR one or the other of: Blessed and Quick Recovery.

A lot of people dont use it but there are as many if not more complaints about this games overtuned healing than befoul. Albeit befoul is very strong.

Straight up both those cp directly counter reduced effectiveness of healing. 2 to 1 there. Thats why befoul is as strong as it is.

I know, I use both -- but the CP Investment to match Befoul is way out of balance. There's no matching single star with the same scaling. 50 points in Blessed = 11.25% plus 50 points into Quick Recovery = 11.25%, and they aren't additive, it's multiplicative. (Roughly 20%.) 50 points into Befoul is 41.25% with no mathematical reduction, and 100 points gets you 55%.

Both blessed and quick recovery are direct percentage increases, where as becoul is a percentage increase of a percentage. 100 points into befoul only grants you an extra 16% extra decreased healing on major defile and an extra 8% on minor defile.

Considering that defile/befoul is the only counter to both healing done and healing received, I think the percentages are rather reasonable. Befoul could maybe use a slight nerf; however, the real problem rests with sets like duroks and cyrodiils crest, where you can have 100% uptime on multiple targets. These sets really need to be looked at and tweaked.

Well put. @gabriebe read over this carefully. You need befoul more than you know.

I agree. Also, I think disease shouldn't have a resistance causing immunity; too many builds require the minor defile to make them cyro effective.

Vapirko

Those patch notes were awful. There will be no more balance changes coming apparently. Get ready for Magblades to double shot people with imbue weapons proc + assassins will, or mag sorts with a crystal frags + imbue weapons proc. Its going to be insane. Crushing weapons is a pos compared to the mag version which is reaching 10k tooltip. Stam users get a 15% of damage heal lol. And so far its not performing much better than any other stamina weapon spamable so I think shrouded daggers will still be far more useful because of the snare and bounce. 2H LAs have been nerfed so hard they might not even be very good anymore at all.

But, they did supposedly fix the 5th trait on bone pirates set so thats nice.

Rickter

I think its safe to say at this point, that the game pvp wise is going to be extremely unbalanced for a few months after summerset launches. Probably be a good time for me to catch up on DLC. . .

Kova

Had some fun on shor last week. This is the typical ap farming group. If you watch towards the end you'll see dc is actively taking their home keeps and scrolls, but it was imperative to travel north and fight ep.

https://youtu.be/ZT9WZAj-qUQ

We had a few good players, but..eh, numbers.