Shor PC/NA "Official" Discussion

Rickter

Ok Baylor, you missed yhe point. I wouldnt have said anything if Adenoma didnt complain that he lost emp to a faction stack. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of that complaint given he factionstacked to defend.

I have no problem with faction stacking to dethrone or defend emp. Its whats happened since day one. I do have a problem with Adenoma complaining about it when he seems fine with it when its in his favor, and then i also have a problem with him saying he missed out on “good fights” because of it when multiple factors removed any kind of good fight imho.

A good fight doesnt need to be perfectly even ground. Thats why im in legend. They have rules. I understand that doesnt apply to cyrodiil. Thats a no brainer. But at the same time, when every single encounter is so one sided due to all the buffs open world gives for certain objectives, how can you honestly say thats some good fights?

Like come on

MrCommunity

Adenoma wrote: »

Ah, going with the, "no you're a towel" rebuttal.

But what about stam builds using Skoria?

And I'm curious - what about that do you find fake?

So let me get this straight, last night you couldn't call in the two or three different guilds to defend your emp and all of a sudden faction stacking is sad?
I hope you think twice the next time you jump on here complaining about a Zerg, you know damn well whatever happens during this weeks camp. is all due to the way you handled it Tuesday night. you want to call in the 911 and bring the trash zerg-gores go ahead. don't sit here and complain when DC gets gets tired of it and packs up your emp. So go ahead zerg down an empty camp during the day, cause its the only way you're getting EMP anyways.

Rickter

Like dont come in here and say you missed out on good fights when you REALLY mean: “i missed out on being able to one shot combo people to death with my emp buff and scroll buffs and enemy keep buffs giving max hp crit perecntage and base dmg boosts”

And for the record: there was 18 shogunate ad at arrius and 14 william/dracoh group at alessia resources. Why didnt ya’ll rally them? My whole strategy last night was to hold shogunate at arrius so they couldnt assist with emp defense at BRK - that was my whole strat. And it worked in spades.

Vapirko

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Sounds like I missed a party last night!

I think the important thing everyone needs to realize is that Cyrodiil is open world PvP with three factions. Rarely, if ever are there going to be fair fights fought on equal grounds. The issue is further amplified by some classes over performing and others under performing. If people want to fight on more equal grounds, then go do BG's that's the best shot at it, unless you go up against the same four man premades. Every time I step foot in Cyrodiil I go into it with the assumption that I will probably be zerged down at some point, I think it would serve everyone well to adopt that mind set, especially at peak hours.

Since I wasn't on last night, I can't speak to those battles but Tuesday night when AD was down to the final Emp keep, I kind of think it's silly not to assume that everyone is going to faction stack on the last Emp keep to try and retain Emp as long as possible. Likewise, opposing factions are likely going to faction stack on that very same keep to try and dethrone. Really no surprise. I did lol when EP pushed DC at Alessia when DC was trying to dethrone on Tuesday. Would have served both EP and DC better if EP punched a hole in the opposite side of Alessia.

I feel like that’s par for the course for EP these days. They’d rather take dragon claw or pvdoor around the ring while most DC are busy with dethrone lol.

Mihael

If you day cap the map it is the duty of everyone on the opposite factions to stack and dethrone you for being a grade A pleb, and honestly you deserve it

BaylorCorvette

Rickter wrote: »

Ok Baylor, you missed yhe point. I wouldnt have said anything if Adenoma didnt complain that he lost emp to a faction stack. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of that complaint given he factionstacked to defend.

I wasn't directing that specifically at you, I'm just saying in general when there is one Emp keep remaining faction stacking is imminent. I just wish there was AD on to faction stack my last keep when I was Emp, unfortunately it was only myself, two friends and a bunch of pugs

Vapirko wrote: »

I feel like that’s par for the course for EP these days. They’d rather take dragon claw or pvdoor around the ring while most DC are busy with dethrone lol.

I think the problem is EP's pop is low on Shor, they don't have reliable numbers during peak hours and as a result the EP that do play during peak hours are just going to take what they can get and that usually means 1-4 man groups trying to pick DC or AD off as they fight each other at a resource or keep. Seldom do I see EP pushing past Bleakers & Sej. Not exactly sure what happened to all the EP, when I came to Shor three months ago EP was abundant and usually lead the campaign which is what lead me to always push in on EP. Last month or so it seems a lot of EP have straight up left the campaign.

Tzayad

Adenoma wrote: »

The inner was breached and LoM was running laps for a solid 5-10 minutes. That seems like a fun fight to me regardless of side, but I'm sorry that you couldn't enjoy it.

Oh he was there, but maybe your point is that he didn't enjoy himself?

Coming to the defence of Adenoma, who I don't actually know, this is the quote you decided to write an essay on Rickter:

Adenoma wrote: »

Well, good try tonight at the last emp keep. Thanks again to AD. Evidently, LoM was peeved that I commented on their earthgores because they sent "Regards from LoM" when I was dethroned. Stacked with Bashu and had 48 DC on Miat's to 8 AD before the door came down on inner. Still a fun time, but sort of sad to see faction stacks like that - I expect to lose emp, but it's always disappointing when you lose out on good fights.

I bolded what I think are the important parts. The night before, when we had the fun Emp defence at Alessia, it was fairly even numbers, with both DC and AD faction stacking a little bit, and with LoM running the ball group destro ult/earthgore style you so despise (and you tagging along with them. I haven't heard you rag on them yet, but maybe cause they are on your side? Times change I guess).

The AD faction stack there was mostly militia, with like 2 small "organized" groups, including the Emp group, it's honestly a miracle to me how we held that last Castle, I never thought we would hold that keep, I was sure we were goners, hence the spirited defence. Its completely dishonest to compare that defence to last night.

And again, the bolded sections, it was still a fun time last night, but I think it's fine to be a little disappointed, and express that, when you get taken out with 4:1 odds, he's human after all.

I don't know why you feel the need to write out such a long post and provide screenshots, with a lot of it completely unrelated in any way to what everyone else was talking about, maybe you're just board, and it gets you off? It was a fairly harmless comment/post made by Adenoma, but you are here stirring the drama pot like usual, you don't have to take everything so personal.

MrCommunity

@Tzayad
The need for those posts are justified when someone decides to complain about something, they literally did the previous night.
You don't want to be taken out 4:1 then don't start off your reign as EMP the way he did. It's as easy as that.
you want good fights, you want fair fights? how about earning your EMP? don't take the entire map and all its buffs during the day, and then cry the blues when you cant call in your cancer squads to save you.

Rickter

@Tzayad - Adenoma doesnt need your defense. He's stirred up and perpetuated drama just as much and in fact, LONGER (at this point) than I have. Things like taking pot shots at me over drama from over 6 months ago. I just want to say I have no beef with anyone on Shor at this particular time and certainly no one on AD. I dont have a problem with faction stacking for detrhone or emp defense, never have, I simply wanted to point out the hypocrisy in his post whose specific comments I bolded for your reference to what I found triggering:

Adenoma wrote: »

Well, good try tonight at the last emp keep. Thanks again to AD. Evidently, LoM was peeved that I commented on their earthgores because they sent "Regards from LoM" when I was dethroned. Stacked with Bashu and had 48 DC on Miat's to 8 AD before the door came down on inner. Still a fun time, but sort of sad to see faction stacks like that - I expect to lose emp, but it's always disappointing when you lose out on good fights.

LoM had 12 that night. I know because I asked - I had 8 and idk how many Bashu had but considering Requiem wasnt at Alessia or BRK last night (as explained I was trying to hold off the 18 man Shogunate group) I highly doubt Bashu brought 36 DC. As Adenoma hasnt produced any screen shots of his supposed Miat's numbers, I can only assume he was utterly exaggerating. Miat's isnt entirely accurate as it is but thats another discussion.

And I also dont see you condemning him for writing an equally extensive "essay" in response.

But regardless I really just want to leave it at that. If you do want a discussion on the matter, please, unveil the spoiler content:

the screenshots I provided were exact citations for my points. I understand the "faction" bullet point (#3) wasnt entirely representative but honestly that was more on the point that I had a group of 8 and fought outnumbered the entire night:

number 1: was his post at 8:57AM EDT April 24th displaying that he was out, farming AP and capping Emp during the day which, as has been pointed out, isnt that respectable.

number 2: was death recaps showing him and other wardens spamming sub assault/db combos which are known to be overperforming in pvp damage - coupled with the buffs he had on the scroll bonus level and the emp level, making any sort of comment like "good fights" is asinine considering how one sided his engagements with enemy forces were.

number 3: addressed above

number 4: displayed the strange map dynamics of EP avoiding AD and AD avoiding EP.

number 5: was a link to his post calling for a "spirited defense" which anyone who read that could rightfully expect the same amount of AD defending emp as there was the night before. Which makes complaining about an opposing faction stack to dethrone even more ludicrous.

You are right in that I dont like the destro ball meta - I have my reasons for it, which are entirely my opinion, however, I only condemned one group for doing that - Tertiary Meat - back in November of 2017 and it was not because they utilized that playstyle - it was because they introduced it to Shor and they did so knowing no one on the server utilized that style of play rendering the Shor population unable to counter it. Thats it. It was a debate about moral responsibility - not preference of playstyle - but of course thats what Adenoma has turned it into this entire time and something you've clearly bought into.
Shame. There was a HEATED debate, absolute miscontext by Adenoma that carries on to this day, and thats it - Ive accepted a new Shor and I dont beef on anyone for playing that way despite my personal preferences.

No other group or discussion has been under fire since then - so why are you bringing it up now? So yes, i dislike the meta but that's why i dont rag on LoM or DR, or Shogunate or TM (anymore) for it - because its a closed and shut case. Stop bringing it up.

In any case - I have no beef with you, and judging from the reactions to my posts, and thread community response, have spoken in concordance with my views.

Adenoma bragged, flaunted and gloated about his emp run all day and i didnt say a word until his hypocrisy was too much to bear. Then he got sheriffed.

Defend him all you want Tzayad, Ive got no beef with you or any AD on Shor for that matter. But im not going to sit by and have Adenoma claim he wanted good fights yet everything about his entire emp run spoke to the contrary. The one thing i can give him credit for is not teabagging anyone.

Rickter

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

I wasn't directing that specifically at you, I'm just saying in general when there is one Emp keep remaining faction stacking is imminent. I just wish there was AD on to faction stack my last keep when I was Emp, unfortunately it was only myself, two friends and a bunch of pugs

Oh, gotcha - no worries man. Yeah I completely agree with you.

Vapirko

Do Mondays patch notes for pts bring all together new combat changes or just suggestions based on testing since the primary patch notes? I always forget how they do it.

DeadlyRecluse

Vapirko wrote: »

Do Mondays patch notes for pts bring all together new combat changes or just suggestions based on testing since the primary patch notes? I always forget how they do it.

This week's patch was all almost all bugfixes, next week should be actual changes.

To what extent and in what area, who knows?

technohic

Draft and NBA playoffs might keep me out of my weekly guild event tonight that usually winds up zergy. I need to run solo more often on one of my characters but I wind up overthinking it and doing build redesigns. Kind of frozen right now wondering what the future will hold with Mondays PTS. Think thats just more screwing around when I should just go do it. I am as bad or good with very little effect on build it seems, although I do seem to fair better on stamplar than magblade.

Vapirko

technohic wrote: »

Draft and NBA playoffs might keep me out of my weekly guild event tonight that usually winds up zergy. I need to run solo more often on one of my characters but I wind up overthinking it and doing build redesigns. Kind of frozen right now wondering what the future will hold with Mondays PTS. Think thats just more screwing around when I should just go do it. I am as bad or good with very little effect on build it seems, although I do seem to fair better on stamplar than magblade.

I find magblade very good 1v1 and a bit tough for general open world.

technohic

Vapirko wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Draft and NBA playoffs might keep me out of my weekly guild event tonight that usually winds up zergy. I need to run solo more often on one of my characters but I wind up overthinking it and doing build redesigns. Kind of frozen right now wondering what the future will hold with Mondays PTS. Think thats just more screwing around when I should just go do it. I am as bad or good with very little effect on build it seems, although I do seem to fair better on stamplar than magblade.

I find magblade very good 1v1 and a bit tough for general open world.

Yeah I try it solo a lot because I can survive/escape better. It’s when I want to stand and fight I don’t do so well.

NBrookus

Spent some decent time in Shor for the first time in months. Boy am I rusty... lost a number of fights I shouldn't have. Didn't help that I kept seeing frenemies and familiar names and was reluctant to attack them. I'll get over it. That or go fight with them instead.

The campaign has changed a lot. While the dominant faction zerg population ebbed and flowed it didn't feel imbalanced like it used to. It felt like AD might still be a little lower than the others, but with the tourney going on, maybe not.

Vapirko

NBrookus wrote: »

Spent some decent time in Shor for the first time in months. Boy am I rusty... lost a number of fights I shouldn't have. Didn't help that I kept seeing frenemies and familiar names and was reluctant to attack them. I'll get over it. That or go fight with them instead.

The campaign has changed a lot. While the dominant faction zerg population ebbed and flowed it didn't feel imbalanced like it used to. It felt like AD might still be a little lower than the others, but with the tourney going on, maybe not.

AD has been pretty populous of late, but DC has also dominated the map primetime for a few days or a week maybe? AD and EP groups are pretty active off hours and one of them usually night/day caps.

NBrookus

The night/daycapping I kind of took for granted. It IS still Shor.

Vapirko

NBrookus wrote: »

The night/daycapping I kind of took for granted. It IS still Shor.

I just wish we had 8 solid DC players around that time. For us AU/Asia players it could actually produce some fun small scale. It occasionally happens but it’s usually 2-5 DC vs an 8-12 group of snipe spammers, NBs and Templar healbots using soul assault. Sometimes we manage. Really looking forward to the improved guards that will hopefully make it more doable for a two man group to handle these situations. Snipe is really an issue though, it’s such a strong crutch skill combined with cc or defile poisons. You get two people focusing you when you’re in medium armor after getting hit with an incap and it’s just a nightmare. I don’t see any reason for snipe to cause major fracture with the range and damage it has. Especially since it still bugs out and you get hit with three in a row before you can break cc. Imo it’s dumb that someone who would melt in a 1v1 can take you out so quickly in the right situation with one skill.

NBrookus

DC has a lot of snipe spammers too. I call it getting Beezley'd. While DC was capping AD's scrolls this wannabe AD ball group was hitting Arrius. 4 of us held 4x our numbers for 20 minutes but eventually the zombies rezzes will win. Game needs a rez sickness of some sort.

I'd join you, but wrong time zone.

The sheer number of defiles running around tonight was crazy. I guess everyone discovered Befoul. I'd say ranged defiles are just too strong, but they'd probably just nerf templars. That said, lately in Vivec groups just spam CC's on you until your break free bugs out, and that's worse.

technohic

LOL I can see why they are nerfing the crit heals for NB. I just took my magblade stam and jumped in not even knowing my keybinds so it was clunky at first, but then I found myself at a 2 way zerg between AD and EP and I was finding targets where I could kill them right by the zergs and get away. Comination of vigor, roll dodge, cloak and rally and I could recover quickly. You know its an issue if I am wrecking people. Im not very good. Maybe I will keep it up after the patch and run troll king to make up for the loss of heals.

1 guy seemed to wind up being my target a lot of times and it had nothing to do with me picking on him. Just was the way hed be hanging on the outskirts of the fight as a sorc. Kind of wanted to not do that, but it is what it is. Take the targets I can get.

Vapirko

NBrookus wrote: »

DC has a lot of snipe spammers too. I call it getting Beezley'd. While DC was capping AD's scrolls this wannabe AD ball group was hitting Arrius. 4 of us held 4x our numbers for 20 minutes but eventually the zombies rezzes will win. Game needs a rez sickness of some sort.

I'd join you, but wrong time zone.

The sheer number of defiles running around tonight was crazy. I guess everyone discovered Befoul. I'd say ranged defiles are just too strong, but they'd probably just nerf templars. That said, lately in Vivec groups just spam CC's on you until your break free bugs out, and that's worse.

Absolutely, the amount of mechanics that favor zerg like tatics are just out of control.

gabriebe

They should remove Defile from affecting HP regen. HP regen was already kind of garbage, now it's just downright suicidal to run a build based on that.

Vapirko

gabriebe wrote: »

They should remove Defile from affecting HP regen. HP regen was already kind of garbage, now it's just downright suicidal to run a build based on that.

It’s hard because in cp to the defile star that over does t and in no cp it’s the straight defile. I suggest they nerf defile and then have the cp star scale at a much slower rate. And I’ve said for a long time that the majority of poisons are just over the top. Cc and snares are already too easy and cost and defile poisons are op.

technohic

Yeah defile feels necessary to take down some targets but it scales way to well and has great uptime once you have it. They need to either make it like mending in being not up full time, or reduce it quite a bit. Then balance the other issues that come from that.

Poisons are very annoying. I’m running my stamblade with a couple cost reduction glyphs and decent regen and I haven’t had to big of issues with resource poisoning yet so maybe no one was using them, but I noticed some snare poisons and shuffle was not getting rid of it. Judging by how soft some targets were in the zergs, thinking maybe was some PVE builds but the slapped some of those in there and there were mark spammers as well. The snares and mark would be a death sentence with a decent PVPer around

NBrookus

I would say:
1) nerf befoul CP - because there's no matching CP counter, and it's just too strong for the CP investment
2) no ranged defiles - because magicka melee needs a pvp buff, reflects work poorly and are not widely available, and being able to spam such a power debuff from range is just OP and promotes poor gameplay. Snipe can probably just lose the defile, and templars could get a non-channeled melee defile instead to put some siding on their templar shack.

I've run a pestilence healplar sometimes in a few patches before it was cool and it makes a HUGE difference in group fights. Way more of a difference than one support build should.

Cyborn

[DC]
I'm having a really hard time at the moment. Since 2 days I try to find a group, small or zerg, tho I prefer small. After long time I start to solo where the action is but as I'm only 2 days on the server I havent got any good gears or friends.
I then get smacked down pretty fast by little groups or even zergs. I see some more DC roaming around but nobody wants to invite. Gets kinda frustrating since I really want to get into Shor, I was mainly on Vivec on PS4.
Well this char just needs to get lvl 6 for Vigor, but I'm building my old Magicka DK PVP for pure PVP and therefore I search a little group or even shor-guild-DC.

Hit me up.

@Cyborn

technohic

Cyborn wrote: »

[DC]
I'm having a really hard time at the moment. Since 2 days I try to find a group, small or zerg, tho I prefer small. After long time I start to solo where the action is but as I'm only 2 days on the server I havent got any good gears or friends.
I then get smacked down pretty fast by little groups or even zergs. I see some more DC roaming around but nobody wants to invite. Gets kinda frustrating since I really want to get into Shor, I was mainly on Vivec on PS4.
Well this char just needs to get lvl 6 for Vigor, but I'm building my old Magicka DK PVP for pure PVP and therefore I search a little group or even shor-guild-DC.

Hit me up.

@Cyborn

Its hit or miss. I might ask if there are groups running when I first get in and if no response, I just go solo and maybe piggyback when I see fights come up. Often times, I go to where I see resources being flipped and what that usually amounts to is people going round robin flipping the resources after they had been taken and sometimes one of the better players running around a tower for 1vX. Yesterday I helped clear the tower and went to the keep thinking maybe we'd try to take it, but what it wound up being most the time was 4 guys standing on the ground, 4 guys on the wall, just picking back and forth at each other. Or no one bothers to even do that and just wait for the next resource to be flipped.

I don't know if its intentional to just farm resource AP or maybe I need to try PUG wrangling. There were EP and AD groups to fight just no cohesion on DC. Only a couple of times did it look like some of them wanted to just follow what I was doing. Im not sure Im the best to guide anyone though.

Vapirko

@Cyborn where do you live/what is your time zone?

W0lf_z13

^^^ what @Vapirko said