Shor PC/NA "Official" Discussion

Adenoma

PvP has been really weird. Fun messing with the towns, though.

Vapirko

AD taking the cake for zerg action at Bruma today. Congrats or soemthing. If ZOS made it impossible for zergs to stealth AD wouldn’t know what to do.

Adenoma

I played for like 45 minutes yesterday until I got fed up with AD’s zerging. Awful pvp. The event really caters to people who want to do that because they’ll log to the dominant faction so they can safely do their town quests.

technohic

That happened last Tuesday night or so and they zerged our home keeps while we had no scrolls and really motivated a lot of blue to zerg back by the time I logged and I didn't feel bad about it . Next day when I logged in, it was an all blue map up to gates so I assumed we night capped. I was actually kind of hoping we would have only pushed yellow to the gates and left red alone but we all know what happens. It will just be a back and forth since it seems its usually any 1 faction at a given time that has numbers.

I did get back in Friday for a guild night and we had a bit of a zerg ourselves, but it was kind of cool to see Animosity and Known Shitters keep us in check. Not sure if everyone likes facing that and I know there is some cringing when they see those tags coming in, but I think it makes players better if they put up with a fight and learn while being farmed a bit. The guild is not really PvP focused by any means but I feel like they're getting better.

Rickter

I was at Bruma questing, when the <Shogunate> AD zerg rolled through. I had a group of 8, 4 of us were at Bruma (including two new comers to pvp) and 4 of us were at Cheydinhal.

That AD group was like watching Pact Militia doing their "wave" (the back and forth motion of a hivemind zerg train). I think in total, we were able to pick off around 14 of them (pockets of 2-3 here and there). they eventually went to Dragonclaw and the small scale pvp and questing that occurred prior to their arrival, re-commenced.

We then linked up with the group at Cheydinhal to quest and there was good pvp there and along the way. Im loving this event so far, its really great!

DeadlyRecluse

The zergs rolling through towns are pretty funny. Nothing like seeing dozens of riders come over the cliff northeast of Cropsford and popping an invis pot/running like hell.

Vapirko

I cant take it anymore, snares are out of control, snare immunity from shuffle only works like half the time, snipe spam with defile CP is so *** OP, zergs are rampant in Shor, and Im in danger of putting my foot through my monitor if I get Xv1 ganked one more time. I swear no one even tries to learn to play this game. You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

Mihael

Vapirko wrote: »

I cant take it anymore, snares are out of control, snare immunity from shuffle only works like half the time, snipe spam with defile CP is so *** OP, zergs are rampant in Shor, and Im in danger of putting my foot through my monitor if I get Xv1 ganked one more time. I swear no one even tries to learn to play this game. You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

Yup I have no respect for people who need someone else to help them gank cos ganking alone is so hard lol

Rickter

Vapirko wrote: »

You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

Well, you cant knock anyone for playing to their preference. I mean, i'd still be picking up PUGs and running 12-16 man groups if I had the passion for that, but my passion shifted and Im enjoying being able to run in groups that I have fun with.

Its down to personal drive.

As to the Shor pop comment, I miss the lower pop too. I wish i had the build and knew what i know now, back then. It'd be a different story for sure. But you know what irks me even more? When i was there at day one and laughed at for playing on Shor, but now, every guild and their mom is on Shor and thinks its just a great place and plays like they always have on whatever campaign had to die for them to give Shor a chance.

Vapirko

Rickter wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

Well, you cant knock anyone for playing to their preference. I mean, i'd still be picking up PUGs and running 12-16 man groups if I had the passion for that, but my passion shifted and Im enjoying being able to run in groups that I have fun with.

Its down to personal drive.

As to the Shor pop comment, I miss the lower pop too. I wish i had the build and knew what i know now, back then. It'd be a different story for sure. But you know what irks me even more? When i was there at day one and laughed at for playing on Shor, but now, every guild and their mom is on Shor and thinks its just a great place and plays like they always have on whatever campaign had to die for them to give Shor a chance.

I have no issue knocking people for Xv1 ganking.

Adenoma

Rickter wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

Well, you cant knock anyone for playing to their preference.

Glad you’ve seen the light.

Rickter

Vapirko wrote: »

I have no issue knocking people for Xv1 ganking.

i was referring to the "run in a large group v players that prefer to run in a smaller group" comment. some people will always prefer a larger group.

Adenoma wrote: »

Glad you’ve seen the light.

stop instigating @Adenoma seriously. youre coming off immature as always. You know thats not even what I meant. the original argument wasnt ever over people's playstyles - it was over personal responsibility and courtesy of knowingly using a playstyle against a population who at the time, could not defend against it.

Vapirko

Rickter wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

I have no issue knocking people for Xv1 ganking.

i was referring to the "run in a large group v players that prefer to run in a smaller group" comment. some people will always prefer a larger group.

Gotchya, sorry I’m still a little triggered lol.

Adenoma

Sorry for being happy and expressing positivity.

Adenoma

For what it’s worth, the argument was always about playstyle. You said that playstyle was inappropriate for this campaign. I have consistently maintained that you aren’t the collective voice of the campaign and don’t get to tell people what is and is not appropriate play for this campaign.

People just want to have fun. Sometimes that comes at your expense. If you are unwilling to adapt, then that’s going to continue to happen. But that’s okay, because you can play any way you want.

Rickter

dude, drop it. seriously you dont know when to quit.

Adenoma

You brought up playstyle. I mentioned I was happy because I thought your views had changed and become more accepting. I guess not.

This forum doesn’t exist to be your echo chamber. If someone disagrees, then they can voice their dissent.

King_Thelon

Preferences and playstyles change.
It is the fickle nature of mortals.
Only one thing stays the same:
All flesh shall perish together,
And men shall turn to dust.
If thou hast understanding,
Hear thou this:
Harken to the voice of the true.

Grimlok_S

Vapirko wrote: »

I cant take it anymore, snares are out of control, snare immunity from shuffle only works like half the time, snipe spam with defile CP is so *** OP, zergs are rampant in Shor, and Im in danger of putting my foot through my monitor if I get Xv1 ganked one more time. I swear no one even tries to learn to play this game. You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

With ya.

They should change the tooltip of shuffle /forward momentum. The term "immunity" to snares /immobilization is rather misleading, if poisons are intended to override.

I still have great fun off hours but I tend to get bored when the zergs roll in.

Vapirko

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

I cant take it anymore, snares are out of control, snare immunity from shuffle only works like half the time, snipe spam with defile CP is so *** OP, zergs are rampant in Shor, and Im in danger of putting my foot through my monitor if I get Xv1 ganked one more time. I swear no one even tries to learn to play this game. You see the same names running solo/small scale since the beginning of time pretty much and you see the same names week after month running in giant zergs. 99% of players just choose whatever is cheesiest and go with that. Rant over, I miss Shor when it had no population at all.

With ya.

They should change the tooltip of shuffle /forward momentum. The term "immunity" to snares /immobilization is rather misleading, if poisons are intended to override.

I still have great fun off hours but I tend to get bored when the zergs roll in.

Wait wut? Poisons over ride immunities? Is this for real?

Adenoma

Yeah. Been that way for a while. I know I've reported it because it seems to be pretty bad design.

BaylorCorvette

In the words of John Steinbeck, "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

Cyrodiil is an open world PvP environment, anyone that goes there expecting not to get Xv1 or ganked at some point is fooling themselves. I hate the zergs and gankers as much as the next person, but honestly I wouldn't change it. The more play styles the better. If we didn't have zergs and gankers this would just be colonial warfare where we all line up, see each factions hand and fight a straight forward fight. That would be boring.

The fact that we have guilds leading large groups to take keeps, small groups that go deep into enemy territory to take resources (my favorite), people that bridge camp, PUGs that run around, etc is great. Keeps things unpredictable.

The problems I do have relate more to ZoS inability to have this game operate properly. As mentioned the shuffle / forward momentum lack of immunity is super annoying. But I can play around that, it just sucks. However the largest issue I have is the bar swap / weapon animation bug. Usually within 15-20 minutes of being in Cyrodiil I'll get the bug and I'll be on my 2H bar and it looks like I'm holding a 1H weapon and then when I go to my dual wield bar it looks like I'm holding a 2H. It's really throwing off my rotations.

Adenoma

I love me some Steinbeck.

And 100% agree. The variety in playstyles available to open world is the spice of life.

It's just nice when everything works in that open world environment.

Rickter

Why is this conversation still going on? It's like, no one likes arguing, but when i take the high road and decide not to perpetuate a beat to death conversation, multiple people chime in and perpetuate it.

No one seems to think that Adenoma, after posting one of the most cringey comebacks this thread has ever seen then turns around and literally broods for 3 hours because he cant let it go, is ok? you guys think thats ok?

alright cool, i guess i get a pass for not letting it go either:

The argument was never about playstyles. sorry but no. I was fully aware of the destro/negate/proxy/grothdarr/earthgore meta for quite some time. The great thing about Shor was that it literally did not exist prior to when we saw Tertiary Meat bring it onto the server around October-November of 2017. Prior to that, populations were good, the small-medium scale was good, and the community got along fine. Please note this was also before Adenoma decided to join in on the conversation here and that was mainly because his original home server of Sotha Sil was in a bad state.

Imagine that for a second. guys like @Vapirko can actually attest to how awesome Shor was.

This is what the real issue was (dont listen to Adenoma because he didnt even start posting in this thread until after this incident):

TM members regularly check this thread, and i know this for a fact, because they literally were alerted to my post within hours of me posting it, so when they did come onto the server and introduced that playstyle, I felt like they did so knowing that the population 6 months ago, wouldnt be able to defend against it. That made me frustrated in that it came off irresponsible and disrespectful to the Shor population at the time. It was an opinion, one that I voiced as per my right and as someone that genuinely cares for campaign health and who had been on Shor since day 1 of it going live and struggling to keep it relevant. Without REQUIEM there'd have been no consistent medium to large scale DC presence on Shor for the first 6 months of its existence and thats the truth. This issue occured in November of 2017 and apparently it continues to be brought up until today

Guys like @BaylorCorvette , you're new to Shor, you dont have the full context. In the time youve known me (what? 1 month?) have you seen me complain about playstyles? This is literally a beat to death topic that Adenoma is perpetuating because he is literally on a high horse crusade. The fact that he commented over and over when i told him to stop is proof of that. We arent going to agree on this, and its squashed. What i've surmised is that he wants to break my will. It's the only thing i can think of. It's silly, i know, but the proof is in the posts.

In any case, this topic is over. its been over. I still feel like players have a personal responsibility to not treat each other like game animals. Every player, opposing faction or not, is a peer. When you have fun at others expense, thats your prerogative, sure! But it says more about your character than you think.

Adenoma

That sounds like a debate about playstyle.

In other news, I didn't know I was the brooding type.

Rickter

Adenoma wrote: »

That sounds like a debate about playstyle.

In other news, I didn't know I was the brooding type.

personal responsibility =/= playstyles.

you got to stop your tunnel vision man.

and yeah, id say responding to a post, then after zero activity from anyone else, posting yet another response several hours later is evidence that you kept thinking about it in that timeframe. which is a form of brooding. or maybe you just want to argue semantics?

Stridig

Adenoma the Pooh. On a side note, the only reason I PvP is to have fun at other people's expense. And sometimes they have fun at my expense. I think that's sorta the point. I'm confused by what that says about my character though. I certainly don't enter Cyrodiil to inspect enemy faction armor. Or do emotes.

Adenoma

Oh, I just checked the forums to see if anything was new. I was in a procedure lab. Gotta practice some fun splints.

Trying to argue a guild's playstyle is dependent on personal responsibility is silly. They're people that want to play together and have fun - you just didn't agree with the means by which they had fun. They do not have a responsibility to practice their fun to cater to yours. If you aren't having fun in a game, go fight a different group, go outside, read a book, but really just go find something that you do find fun. We've beaten that particular instance of TM to death, but it's a far stretch to say that they ever played legitimate map and were pretty explicit that they tried to avoid pugs/emp keeps.

Rickter

Adenoma wrote: »

Oh, I just checked the forums to see if anything was new. I was in a procedure lab. Gotta practice some fun splints.

Trying to argue a guild's playstyle is dependent on personal responsibility is silly. They're people that want to play together and have fun - you just didn't agree with the means by which they had fun. They do not have a responsibility to practice their fun to cater to yours. If you aren't having fun in a game, go fight a different group, go outside, read a book, but really just go find something that you do find fun. We've beaten that particular instance of TM to death, but it's a far stretch to say that they ever played legitimate map and were pretty explicit that they tried to avoid pugs/emp keeps.

so more biographical information we dont care about. annnd youre beating a dead horse

Im actually having a lot of fun in game. More and more as the days go by actually. Ive expressed that very much in the last two pages. You however complain about primetime zergs and how youre barely playing anymore so take your own advice

just. stop.

Rickter

Stridig wrote: »

Adenoma the Pooh. On a side note, the only reason I PvP is to have fun at other people's expense. And sometimes they have fun at my expense. I think that's sorta the point. I'm confused by what that says about my character though. I certainly don't enter Cyrodiil to inspect enemy faction armor. Or do emotes.

No i dont think thats your aim. PvP isnt inherently any form of "fun at another's expense". Id consider the things that fall under "dirty play" or "malicious" is "fun at another's expense".

Things like:

Teabagging - we all know this is immature. It's fun for you, and not for them, which is why its fun for you. It's an unnecessary and rude gesture so much so, ZOS themselves have made it a bannable offense albeit never really enforced.

Running a Scroll into the water - whether you are an opposing faction main, playing on the faction with the scroll, and you take the opportunity to grab said scroll and run it into the water surrounding IC to deny the faction that is trying to acquire it. This is pretty low. I dont even think its a design intention simply because this abuse is even an option. But again, It's fun for you, and not for them, which is why its fun for you.

ETC. - im just not going to go over everything there is.

In any case, there is a degree of fun at another's expense that is malicious. Thats when lines are crossed. And I'm sorry, but i believe that if you bring a trained group in a certain playstyle to a server that you know cant defend against it to farm said players, then it is a form of malicious "fun at another's expense". Im not going to apologize or change my views about this. Because there is a bigger picture always has been, that you treat others the way you want to be treated. If i was dunking on people in a malicious manner - i fully expect someone would call me out. But i have personal responsibility. I have been the BIGGEST proponent of campaign health probably in the entirety of this game right now. Its something i believe in and am passionate about.