increase the cool down on the Valkyn Skoria set

PathwayM

I seriously think that this is a l2p issue. Just block it when you hear the sound and stop qq'ing. It isn't nearly as op as some people seem to think.

Jamini

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

MagDK skoria tank is unkillable.
MagTemp skoria tank is unkillable.
StamNB selene/velidreth offers little room for counter.
I could go on with cancerous builds and you'd go on with very strict builds who's only function is to counter 1 only enemy build.
I find that any aspect in the game that leads to such scenarios should be addressed.
Call it proctard, call it perma roll dodge, call it shieldstacking, call it perma block.
I don't have a bias. I don't offer "l2p" answers which have limited function as mentioned above.

MagDK skoria tank is unkillable. - Defile, Resource poisons. Magicka costs for DK are ridiculous and their burst is low as hell. Just run them dry and kill them.

MagTemp skoria tank is unkillable. - Defile, Resource poisons. A Magicka templar tank isn't going to be doing much but BoL/Wardspamming. Kill his squishy buddies first, then focus him with your group.

StamNB selene/velidreth offers little room for counter. - Loool, I eat procblades for breakfast. Proper stamina tank builds can rip procBlades apart without even trying. Hell, in a group I smile whey they jump me because I know for a fact that they are going to be in a for a VERY bad time and they aren't getting away from my DK. The main issue with procblades is 90% of the playerbase has no investment into health or defenses.

perma roll dodge - Lightning staff, restoration staff, crushing shock, birds, drop AoEs, hit them with a well-timed stun (no impen = b00m)

shieldstacking - Knight slayer, Oblivion enchantments, shieldbreaker, focus them with your teammates.

perma block and Blazing shields - Ignore them. They don't contribute anything to their team.


From the way you whine, you have zero idea how to adapt. You expect the world to conform around your ideal build, and want to be the best with no effort put into actually becoming the best. You are a case example of someone who needs to, as you said, L2P.

Adapt or die.

Nutshotz

If OP think skoria is bad wait till OP see's a magblade run selenes!


Grothdar - 10% procs way more than skoria
Skoria - 8% procs A Lot from dots
Llambris - 10% proc slightly more
Infernal guardian - 50% seems to be a 100% uptime fighting a damn sorc with this set
Nerien'eth - 10% haven't tested this set
Selene - 15% procs A Lot from incap and or critrush
Tremor Scale - another one that seems to have almost 100% uptime
Velidreth - 20% my stam sorc has this up a lot!


From my PoV skoria is far from being OP on procing all the time. Stam monster sets proc way more than skoria but you have infernal guardian that has damn near a 100% uptime it seems like.

Or just maybe it's an L2P issue and if that is the case maybe catch up on the CP cap if your not there....

Chilly-McFreeze

Sylphie wrote: »

Give Skoria the meteor treatment. Increase the animation and give an indicator so people can know when to block/dodge without having to closely listen to the sound proc. This still makes it so that you need to time your cc for skoria to hit, making it avoidable but still viable.

Visual indicators would be nice, I agree on that. Even I don't know who it will hit when I hear that sound.

But on the other hand, how can I time my CC if I can't decide when to proc skoria (cc immunity)? Also, as soon as someone sees that big cirlce around him, he goes into block (at least he should), so making it impossible to CC him if you aren't a nightblade.

Maybe it would make this set useless. Leaves me with no answer but to make the proc a synergy for me so I can time my cc/ burst/ etc? - but I guess that all would be too much to ask for.

One way or the other, I don't think the devs will change skoria with the update. So got more time to tinker with ideas.

Banana

Its fine. Suck it up.

olsborg

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Chilly-McFreeze

olsborg wrote: »

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Oar dude no. Did you even read this thread? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Here, someone made a test for you. Test > your opinion

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4388529/#Comment_4388529

Supertoy31

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Sounds like OP got recently killed by a random Skoria proc effect because he failed to block or ward up against the meteor as it rumbled and created a noise as it began its delayed, telegraphed 2-sec impact.

This is clearly a L2P issue. Skoria is not overpowered - the apparent lack of skill among these players is.

olsborg

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Oar dude no. Did you even read this thread? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Here, someone made a test for you. Test > your opinion

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4388529/#Comment_4388529

I guess my first hand fights with magicka dks in cyrodiil is lying then, silly me.

Izaki

If you want to increase the cooldown, you gotta increase the damage.

Qbiken

olsborg wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Oar dude no. Did you even read this thread? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Here, someone made a test for you. Test > your opinion

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4388529/#Comment_4388529

I guess my first hand fights with magicka dks in cyrodiil is lying then, silly me.

The tests I did doesn´t prove that Skoria can´t proc off-cooldown (within 1 second of the cooldowntimer, it just shows that it´s unlikely to do so.

ak_pvp

olsborg wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Oar dude no. Did you even read this thread? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Here, someone made a test for you. Test > your opinion

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4388529/#Comment_4388529

I guess my first hand fights with magicka dks in cyrodiil is lying then, silly me.

It is.

Selection bias is a funny thing.

leepalmer95

ak_pvp wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Oar dude no. Did you even read this thread? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Here, someone made a test for you. Test > your opinion

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4388529/#Comment_4388529

I guess my first hand fights with magicka dks in cyrodiil is lying then, silly me.

It is.

Selection bias is a funny thing.

I use skoria on both my mag dk and my mag templar.

It's Op.

IxskullzxI

Just because something is strong doesnt make it op. I don't think people on these forums realise that.

Killset

Forum warriors whine for months on end that procs are unhealthy for the game and "free damage" removes skilled game play. But amazingly Skoria doesn't do any of things. Somehow Skoria requires a high skill level to apply all those DOTs I would use with or without the set.

Skoria is monstrously strong on my mDK and magplar. I couldn't begin to argue that it isn't. Sometimes I pray that DEVs never read these ridiculous forums because the bias is real.

Balthyzar

It sure is a good thing that skoria isn't on the list of proc sets that need retooling. They already nerfed it into the dirt compared to most of the stam proc sets or even Grothdar. Since only a handful of templars even use this set, I'm not sure I even understand the point of this post. Most likely it's an l2p issue.

Ankael07

Sylphie wrote: »

Give Skoria the meteor treatment. Increase the animation and give an indicator so people can know when to block/dodge without having to closely listen to the sound proc. This still makes it so that you need to time your cc for skoria to hit, making it avoidable but still viable.

This would also benefit the Skoria user as knowing where the meteor will hit gives them a chance to direct their attention there and make a burst of damage. Making Skoria more viable for group fights in skilled hands.

SanTii.92

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Valkyn skoria is overperforming on live in pvp. It basicly proccs on cooldown and deals too much dmg (aoe)

Oar dude no. Did you even read this thread? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Here, someone made a test for you. Test > your opinion

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4388529/#Comment_4388529

I guess my first hand fights with magicka dks in cyrodiil is lying then, silly me.

It is.

Selection bias is a funny thing.

I use skoria on both my mag dk and my mag templar.

It's Op.

Of course, that must be the reason why those classes are so op nowdays...

Sylphie

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Sylphie wrote: »

Give Skoria the meteor treatment. Increase the animation and give an indicator so people can know when to block/dodge without having to closely listen to the sound proc. This still makes it so that you need to time your cc for skoria to hit, making it avoidable but still viable.

Visual indicators would be nice, I agree on that. Even I don't know who it will hit when I hear that sound.

But on the other hand, how can I time my CC if I can't decide when to proc skoria (cc immunity)? Also, as soon as someone sees that big cirlce around him, he goes into block (at least he should), so making it impossible to CC him if you aren't a nightblade.

Maybe it would make this set useless. Leaves me with no answer but to make the proc a synergy for me so I can time my cc/ burst/ etc? - but I guess that all would be too much to ask for.

One way or the other, I don't think the devs will change skoria with the update. So got more time to tinker with ideas.

DK fossilise is a hard cc that goes through block. Other specs that use skoria (magplar, dw stamsorc) have stuns available that don't go through block so maybe have an indicator but keep the animation faster than shooting star? Not really sure how else I would change skoria so it remains viable besides reducing the damage.

Jayelf

try infernal guardian

Beardimus

Disagree with OP, Soria does not need a Nerf. It's an example of the old proc sets that weren't an Issue (hence no one really ran it / runs it)

However I do agree the other proc sets all need removing from the game, they are dull, take skill away from PvE and make PvP a joke.

Of all the new Proc sets were weak like Skoria it wouldn't be in the mess it is now.

Skoria was OP once, but a LONG time ago.

DeHei

Valkyn is very strong on a dotbuild, but not OP! For sure many player in PvP use it, because of the burstdamage and the garanted hit. So its easy to use, but only in reason of that many many player prefer this monsterset. The 1th piece bonus dont gives a bonus to damage and need to compensated from 2th bonus.

Drazkyth

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Dot builds use Valkyn Skoria because it procs of Dots and gives the user a bit of burst and a chance to lock down their enemy. That's fair.
However Valkyn Skoria procs all the time. It's essentially giving free damage to the user, while they are not required to put any effort at all to go all out and attack since the set will deal damage in very small intervals of time. It's a matter of time before their enemy dies.
Valkyn Skoria should not offer free damage. Skoria users should use the moment when the meteor falls and go aggro.
A meaningful increase in the Cool Down of the effect would not harm the burst phase, but it would make the set more balanced.

I play a dragon knight and I have lots of Dots that I can apply. However I find that Skoria is overperforming and it needs to be looked after. ESO is taking a very good path with HOTR. Lets make this the best update yet.
@Zos_GinaBruno

No, just no.

JDC1985

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Dot builds use Valkyn Skoria because it procs of Dots and gives the user a bit of burst and a chance to lock down their enemy. That's fair.
However Valkyn Skoria procs all the time. It's essentially giving free damage to the user, while they are not required to put any effort at all to go all out and attack since the set will deal damage in very small intervals of time. It's a matter of time before their enemy dies.
Valkyn Skoria should not offer free damage. Skoria users should use the moment when the meteor falls and go aggro.
A meaningful increase in the Cool Down of the effect would not harm the burst phase, but it would make the set more balanced.

I play a dragon knight and I have lots of Dots that I can apply. However I find that Skoria is overperforming and it needs to be looked after. ESO is taking a very good path with HOTR. Lets make this the best update yet.
@Zos_GinaBruno

Or maybe you can just learn to play and quit crying over the weakest set in the game.

Betsararie

I don't think there's any denying that Skoria is over-performing.

sly007

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

So even if we run a PvE magicka DK setup, which is one of the classes that uses the most DoTs in the game, we´re still not close to proc it every 5 seconds.

Your running a lot of dots in those tests. Probably much more than a magicka dk would run in PvP. Good work. Best to look at the entire picture rather than just call for a nerf because one doesn't like it.

Heck, that mDK trying to apply all those dots wouldn't get many dots applied before the sDK stood over their corpse. sDK

I run roughly the same amount of dots in PvP. Volatile, entropy, engulfing, embers, flames.

The reason skoria seems to proc off cooldown is because it targets the opponent. Being constantly hit by skoria, which does somewhere between 3k to 6k damage depending on target resistance and vamp status effect. I proc skoria a lot during my PvP encounters, but only after i have places my dots on the target, unlike other proc sets that proc off damage done. I rarely never start fights with skoria going off my first dot tick, but sets like selene, tremor, viper, and the one that procs when casting shields have all procs from their very first condition multiple times.

I do not think skoria needs a longer cooldown. The 5 second cooldown is enough. The condition for skoria makes it balanced.

olsborg

Skoria hits for 3-4k in pvp, and I can guarantee you get hit quite often, almost on cd. This is seriously needing a nerf.

preedb16_ESO2

For those of us that don't do PVP and struggle with vMA even with 630+CP and very good gold gear all the nerfs are really [snip] tbh..
Since I returned to the game, now almost a year ago, after having been away for 1.5 years, it's all been about nerfing to accommodate the PVP players but sticking it hard to PVE players.. First nerf I remember, not long after coming back and having JUST spent weeks farming a full set of Viper was the crit removal from set procs..
I eventually retired my nb to just being a crafter not long after that, and I have been playing a magsorc for the past 4 months.. I only recently managed to finish my necropotence set with a sharp lightning staff only to have both the set, and sharpened, nerfed not even 2 weeks later..

I disagree with your ideas of removing proc sets.. Remove them from use in PVP perhaps but please stop *** with PVE players to make up for game mechanic failiures in the PVP part of the game that alot of us don't play..
A simple effect put on players that cut proc set dmg by 50% in PVP areas maybe?
Could have had such an effect make set procs not crit in only PVP areas and left PVE as it was tbh.. But I guess that might be 5 lines of code too much for them to have bothered with...

This game is NEVER going to become balanced until they start putting PVP balance changes separate from how things work in PVE...

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preedb16_ESO2

Oh and I am not going to be surprised if the next nerf that comes my way will be to sorc shields, because of all the whining I hear about sorcs stacking shields in PVP..
The 5.5% loss to crit with the Thief nerf along with the nerf to sharpened and necropotence(though that one wasnt too big, something like 500 magicka in the end) really hurts for solo PVE such as vMA..
The crit loss means I get alot less heals from Surge to stay alive, and the nerf to Sharpened meant I was forced to change to Lover mundus to be able to stay high on penetration, but that also meant a complete loss of the mundus crit points, which meant alot less crit, dps and Surge healing..
Honestly, it felt like being punched in the face in vMA after this patch went live..
I've also been testing 5x IA with 5x Julianos and no monster set, to get alot higher crits.. But that also meant about 12k less max magicka which means smaller shields, and no matter what combinations I try, I have lost somewhere around 2-3k dps from this patch.
In a group setting probably not even noticeable because you don't need so high innate penetration there, but for vMA, it does matter, alot...

DeHei

Yeah magicka sorcs lost damage, because it was to high in relation to other classes. For example, i do more DPS now on my magicka templar with same sets you wear. I think this is more balanced now, because balance mean that you have same options of damage ect with every class..