increase the cool down on the Valkyn Skoria set

ccfeeling

Ilambris can just proc by specific weapon attacks , also proc by 2 different nature attacks , its free too , its powerful ms , I have no idea why u asking for nerf a weaker ms VS , funny

arkansas_ESO

Ankael07 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Dot builds use Valkyn Skoria because it procs of Dots and gives the user a bit of burst and a chance to lock down their enemy. That's fair.
However Valkyn Skoria procs all the time. It's essentially giving free damage to the user, while they are not required to put any effort at all to go all out and attack since the set will deal damage in very small intervals of time. It's a matter of time before their enemy dies.
Valkyn Skoria should not offer free damage. Skoria users should use the moment when the meteor falls and go aggro.
A meaningful increase in the Cool Down of the effect would not harm the burst phase, but it would make the set more balanced.

I play a dragon knight and I have lots of Dots that I can apply. However I find that Skoria is overperforming and it needs to be looked after. ESO is taking a very good path with HOTR. Lets make this the best update yet.
@Zos_GinaBruno

I would also support to remove all proc (any types) out of the game.

I also support this.

Why? Procs are fun to use and not inherently overtuned. I don't understand this sentiment at all

It's free damage, and not a subtle amount either. They should never have been introduced to begin with. I PvP to fight players not armor.

This game has become quite talentless.

If you think about it spell/weapon damage is ''free'' as well.Take Clever Alchemist for example. Its 650 s/w damage and when you combine that with ultis like soul assault, incap,leap or destro ulti it increases burst damage by a fair amount. Add the fact that the damage can crit and increases your healing as well. So a delayed 3-4k damage with sound indicator from Skoria doesnt seem so bad

Clever Alchemist:

• requires you to run a 5pc for it
• can only be procced every 45 seconds with a 15 second uptime
• requires you to use your potion for burst instead of resource management
• requires an active input from the user (using a potion) whereas Valkyn is completely RNG based

Valkyn:

• is only a 2pc
• can be procced every 5 seconds
• requires you to run DOTs, which is a big issue for some builds (ex. magic sorc has no good PVP DOTs) but other builds are already 100% DOT based (ex. everything a magic Templar has is a channel and considered a DOT) and can proc the set on cooldown without doing anything other than just slotting Valkyn
• doesn't require active input from the user (it's not like Clever Alchemist which requires to use a potion, or Molag Kena which requires you to do two light attacks)

I run both of these sets on magblade, and they're not comparable. Clever Alchemist isn't a proc set, and Valkyn needs a damage nerf.

Joy_Division

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Dot builds use Valkyn Skoria because it procs of Dots and gives the user a bit of burst and a chance to lock down their enemy. That's fair.
However Valkyn Skoria procs all the time. It's essentially giving free damage to the user, while they are not required to put any effort at all to go all out and attack since the set will deal damage in very small intervals of time. It's a matter of time before their enemy dies.
Valkyn Skoria should not offer free damage. Skoria users should use the moment when the meteor falls and go aggro.
A meaningful increase in the Cool Down of the effect would not harm the burst phase, but it would make the set more balanced.

I play a dragon knight and I have lots of Dots that I can apply. However I find that Skoria is overperforming and it needs to be looked after. ESO is taking a very good path with HOTR. Lets make this the best update yet.
@Zos_GinaBruno

I would also support to remove all proc (any types) out of the game.

I also support this.

Why? Procs are fun to use and not inherently overtuned. I don't understand this sentiment at all

Every problematic proc set got nerfed except skoria.

Dat massive inc. nerf to Selene, a whole 0.3 second delay.

Banana

No

gepe87

Due to CoA2 is one of the most difficult dung, it would not be good to nerf it. Maybe thats why the monster sets from DLC also dont get nerf (and they revert kena in some previous patch)

Toast_STS

I'm going 5 sheer venom 5 viper 2 skoria on my dk next patch. Yay dot builds! Going to have to farm viper now though =(. At least I won't need sharpened weapons.

GeorgeBlack

Ankael07 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Dot builds use Valkyn Skoria because it procs of Dots and gives the user a bit of burst and a chance to lock down their enemy. That's fair.
However Valkyn Skoria procs all the time. It's essentially giving free damage to the user, while they are not required to put any effort at all to go all out and attack since the set will deal damage in very small intervals of time. It's a matter of time before their enemy dies.
Valkyn Skoria should not offer free damage. Skoria users should use the moment when the meteor falls and go aggro.
A meaningful increase in the Cool Down of the effect would not harm the burst phase, but it would make the set more balanced.

I play a dragon knight and I have lots of Dots that I can apply. However I find that Skoria is overperforming and it needs to be looked after. ESO is taking a very good path with HOTR. Lets make this the best update yet.
@Zos_GinaBruno

I would also support to remove all proc (any types) out of the game.

I also support this.

Why? Procs are fun to use and not inherently overtuned. I don't understand this sentiment at all

It's free damage, and not a subtle amount either. They should never have been introduced to begin with. I PvP to fight players not armor.

This game has become quite talentless.

If you think about it spell/weapon damage is ''free'' as well.Take Clever Alchemist for example. Its 650 s/w damage and when you combine that with ultis like soul assault, incap,leap or destro ulti it increases burst damage by a fair amount. Add the fact that the damage can crit and increases your healing as well. So a delayed 3-4k damage with sound indicator from Skoria doesnt seem so bad

Clever alchemists effect is based on potions CD which is a lot
Clever alchemists effect lasts for 15s
Clever alchemist requires YOU, the armor user, to time the effect just before you are about to die (risk) in order to turn the tables and win.
If you use Clever alchemist as a gang set, it means that you WASTE a potion before the battle has started (risk). The target can totally go in defense mode, survive, attack. And you don't have a potion
Clever alchemist is a 5p set that doesn't offer instant damage.
It's a pretty good idea for the game. Nothing like proc sets.

Ashamray

Joy_Division wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Dot builds use Valkyn Skoria because it procs of Dots and gives the user a bit of burst and a chance to lock down their enemy. That's fair.
However Valkyn Skoria procs all the time. It's essentially giving free damage to the user, while they are not required to put any effort at all to go all out and attack since the set will deal damage in very small intervals of time. It's a matter of time before their enemy dies.
Valkyn Skoria should not offer free damage. Skoria users should use the moment when the meteor falls and go aggro.
A meaningful increase in the Cool Down of the effect would not harm the burst phase, but it would make the set more balanced.

I play a dragon knight and I have lots of Dots that I can apply. However I find that Skoria is overperforming and it needs to be looked after. ESO is taking a very good path with HOTR. Lets make this the best update yet.
@Zos_GinaBruno

I would also support to remove all proc (any types) out of the game.

I also support this.

Why? Procs are fun to use and not inherently overtuned. I don't understand this sentiment at all

Every problematic proc set got nerfed except skoria.

Dat massive inc. nerf to Selene, a whole 0.3 second delay.

And this changes nothing when you are already snared \ can't spend stamina due to roll dodge fatigue or just Mplar \ mDK (=turtle).
Selene is still better on Stamina than Skoria on Magicka

Qbiken

I´m not supporting a nerf to Valkyn since I don´t think it´s OP. And there´re some pros and cons with Skoria:

Skoria
+
1. Deals good damage and some AoE damage
2. Can not be dodged or avoided only mitigated
3. Perfectly synergises with magdk and magplar and adds strong burst to the dot pressure
4. Can be procced from distance
5. Has multiple sources which can proc it
6. No visual clue that it targets you
7. Independence of the damage from the build
8. Grants some survivability on top of the damage
9. Low cooldown

-
1. Low proc chance
2. Pure luck to hit the desired target in AoE fights
3. Audio clue for the proc
4. Requires dots to work (1 dot will rarely make Skoria proc constantly)
5. Opportunity cost of 2 pieces
6. No damage increase with the 1pc
7. Has sort of a delay when the meteor comes from the sky

A change I could get behind would be to add some sort of visual sign that you´re going to get hit by Skoria. It will make the opportunity for counterplay better but also help DK´s know who to focus in a fight (since they will also know who the Skoria meteor will hit and therefore time there burst against that particular target).
It´s funny how people cried about Skoria was too weak a few patches ago and wanted a buff to the set. Then people where overwhelmed with that buff (perhaps 1,5-2 years ago). It wasn´t until Homestead I started see players on the forums complaining about "Skoria being OP".

And George, if you´re going to make claims that Skoria procs "constantly". At least bring some evidence to it, or else it´s just loose talk.

GeorgeBlack

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m not supporting a nerf to Valkyn since I don´t think it´s OP. And there´re some pros and cons with Skoria:

Skoria
+
1. Deals good damage and some AoE damage
2. Can not be dodged or avoided only mitigated
3. Perfectly synergises with magdk and magplar and adds strong burst to the dot pressure
4. Can be procced from distance
5. Has multiple sources which can proc it
6. No visual clue that it targets you
7. Independence of the damage from the build
8. Grants some survivability on top of the damage
9. Low cooldown

-
1. Low proc chance
2. Pure luck to hit the desired target in AoE fights
3. Audio clue for the proc
4. Requires dots to work (1 dot will rarely make Skoria proc constantly)
5. Opportunity cost of 2 pieces
6. No damage increase with the 1pc
7. Has sort of a delay when the meteor comes from the sky

A change I could get behind would be to add some sort of visual sign that you´re going to get hit by Skoria. It will make the opportunity for counterplay better but also help DK´s know who to focus in a fight (since they will also know who the Skoria meteor will hit and therefore time there burst against that particular target).
It´s funny how people cried about Skoria was too weak a few patches ago and wanted a buff to the set. Then people where overwhelmed with that buff (perhaps 1,5-2 years ago). It wasn´t until Homestead I started see players on the forums complaining about "Skoria being OP".

And George, if you´re going to make claims that Skoria procs "constantly". At least bring some evidence to it, or else it´s just loose talk.

You claim that Skoria doesn't proc frequently? You are a straight faced lier.

You want to help people defend against Skoria? Make them work for their survival? That's not a change.
I want Skoria users to have to work to kill their targets, when the proc happens.

Increasing the CD is a meaningful change.
You don't offer meaningful change. You don't see the reason for it. You want things to remain as they are.
Nice post. Too long. Just say "no need to nerf, it works fine". Which is a lie.

Chilly-McFreeze

I run a dot build in pvp an here's what I experience.

1) You have to apply several dots, if you just run one or two DoTs it will definitively NOT proc on cooldown

2) Having to apply several DoTs means you have to go through many gcd until you have a relativ constant proc chance

3) Everyone with a purge or a Templar nearby can clean DoTs off, means it's far more difficult to proc Skoria than any set that just demands melee / weapon damage done or simply to take damage

4) It has a sound indicator and a short delay afterwards

5) Except for 1v1 You usually go against several opponents, means you have neither control about when it procs and on who.

One cleanse can completely shut down your DoTs and therefor your proc chance + the inability to select WHO and when I want it to hit are the biggest issues on this. Therefore it would be a bad idea to make it reflectable. An additional visual indicator would go a long way for both ends of this set.

GeorgeBlack

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I run a dot build in pvp an here's what I experience.

1) You have to apply several dots, if you just run one or two DoTs it will definitively NOT proc on cooldown

2) Having to apply several DoTs means you have to go through many gcd until you have a relativ constant proc chance

3) Everyone with a purge or a Templar nearby can clean DoTs off, means it's far more difficult to proc Skoria than any set that just demands melee / weapon damage done or simply to take damage

4) It has a sound indicator and a short delay afterwards

5) Except for 1v1 You usually go against several opponents, means you have neither control about when it procs and on who.

One cleanse can completely shut down your DoTs and therefor your proc chance + the inability to select WHO and when I want it to hit are the biggest issues on this. Therefore it would be a bad idea to make it reflectable. An additional visual indicator would go a long way for both ends of this set.

One cleance costs 8k magika.
How many classes have access to status effect removal abilities?

SodanTok

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I run a dot build in pvp an here's what I experience.

1) You have to apply several dots, if you just run one or two DoTs it will definitively NOT proc on cooldown

2) Having to apply several DoTs means you have to go through many gcd until you have a relativ constant proc chance

3) Everyone with a purge or a Templar nearby can clean DoTs off, means it's far more difficult to proc Skoria than any set that just demands melee / weapon damage done or simply to take damage

4) It has a sound indicator and a short delay afterwards

5) Except for 1v1 You usually go against several opponents, means you have neither control about when it procs and on who.

One cleanse can completely shut down your DoTs and therefor your proc chance + the inability to select WHO and when I want it to hit are the biggest issues on this. Therefore it would be a bad idea to make it reflectable. An additional visual indicator would go a long way for both ends of this set.

One cleance costs 8k magika.
How many classes have access to status effect removal abilities?

All the groups in PVP. And its more like 8000/x cost of magicka (where x is number of people in your group up to some set maximum targets cleanse affects)

Vercingetorix

Sounds like OP got recently killed by a random Skoria proc effect because he failed to block or ward up against the meteor as it rumbled and created a noise as it began its delayed, telegraphed 2-sec impact.

This is clearly a L2P issue. Skoria is not overpowered - the apparent lack of skill among these players is.

Fvh09NL

Imo it is absolutely fine, it doesn't proc that much if you aren't running a dot build and if you do run such a build you won't have much room for burst abilities. It's a fair trade-off I think.

I also think that monster sets in general are fun and in no way overpowered, but they should never have added direct damage 5 piece sets since this allowed proc set stacking, and that is a problem. They went the right direction with HotR and especially viper.

GeorgeBlack

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Sounds like OP got recently killed by a random Skoria proc effect because he failed to block or ward up against the meteor as it rumbled and created a noise as it began its delayed, telegraphed 2-sec impact.

This is clearly a L2P issue. Skoria is not overpowered - the apparent lack of skill among these players is.

You know you gonna read something stupid when a persons in forums starts by "Sounds like OP..."

Weps

Not a single problem with this set, to me it's in the league of the powerful but unreliable ( despite what everyone is saying ).
On magplar it usually procs at the beginning of the fight, first two jabs, then it doesn't proc for ages and then usually it does on the people I don't want it to proc.
Let me not even begin on MagDK. I dropped it in favor of Grothdarr because I lost the count of how many times it proc'd on a player I've already killed or did the same after I was killed.

Tune down the damage if you will, add a telegraph should fix almost every issue but I see nothing wrong with it.
It's not that easy to get, you have a veeeery low proc chance, you need to have a ton of laughable dots for it to proc consistently and when it does, you have a 2 seconds delay, you have all the signals in the world and you can block it.
You know, there are tons of different mechanics in this game and blocking is one of those. Learn to block. Otherwise if someone drops a meteor on you what are you going to do? Dodge it?

SanTii.92

Thing about skoria is that it needs specific builds to make it work, not like selene's. So a skoria nerf would actually be a mtemplar and dk one, and i don't feel like those classes are overperforming. So no, don't think it's needed.

BNOC

Skoria is only good in 1v1 situations.
Cyrodil is not a 1v1 environment.
Bgs are not a 1v1 environment.

The main issue I have with Skoria is that it's uncontrollable as to when you drop it - There's literally 0 gain from it dropping when I'm rebuffing and my opponent is at full health and it happens all the time.

• If you want to make it dodgeable, give the user more control over when it drops so you can time your burst in the small windows that appear. Don't make it dodgeable and then keep it randomly proccing pointlessly, nobody would use it over Grothdarr.

If I could drop that as and when I wanted 100% of the time, it would be too powerful, the fact is, I can't.

Any player who wears this over Grothdarr in AoE situations (90% of your time in PvP) is a fool.

GeorgeBlack

BNOC wrote: »

Skoria is only good in 1v1 situations.
Cyrodil is not a 1v1 environment.
Bgs are not a 1v1 environment.

The main issue I have with Skoria is that it's uncontrollable as to when you drop it - There's literally 0 gain from it dropping when I'm rebuffing and my opponent is at full health and it happens all the time.

If I could drop that as and when I wanted 100% of the time, it would be too powerful, the fact is, I can't.

Any player who wears this over Grothdarr in AoE situations (90% of your time in PvP) is a fool.

Rest assured that once this transmogrification hits you will see many people going for Grothdarr.
In fact you will see the game becoming full of cheese builds and then you'll change your mind on armors giving damage.

Sordidfairytale

Absolutely no need to adjust Skoria. It's been balanced for some time.

DeadlyRecluse

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Skoria is only good in 1v1 situations.
Cyrodil is not a 1v1 environment.
Bgs are not a 1v1 environment.

The main issue I have with Skoria is that it's uncontrollable as to when you drop it - There's literally 0 gain from it dropping when I'm rebuffing and my opponent is at full health and it happens all the time.

If I could drop that as and when I wanted 100% of the time, it would be too powerful, the fact is, I can't.

Any player who wears this over Grothdarr in AoE situations (90% of your time in PvP) is a fool.

Rest assured that once this transmogrification hits you will see many people going for Grothdarr.

This is probably true. That's one ugly set.

DHale

I say learn to block.

TequilaFire

Everyone is wrong that doesn't agree with OP, he says so.

Qbiken

Did some dps test with Skoria to see if it procs so often as you claim @GeorgeBlack
Now keep in mind that this is a PvE setup and it´s much easier to maintain a high uptime on your DoTs (also easier to maintain more DoTs) than it is in a PvP scenario, that fact is un-deniable.
Disclaimer: If some calculation is wrong/incorrect, feel free to point them out.

For these tests we will have a few common DoTs: (A total of 7 DoTs)
- Engulfing Flames
- Burning Embers
- Blockade of Fire
- Standard of Might
- Burning status effect
- Eruption
- Rearming Trap

My setup:


1st DPS-test: Even though this dps parse is the one that took the most time the uptime on my DoTs are high in this dps parse. Still I messed up this one so not to take this one as very accurate. But we have 9 Skoria-procs during 135 second --> Which gives us a proc-rate of 1 Skoria every 15 seconds (roughly)


2nd DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 84 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 12 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 7th second


3rd DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 87 seconds. Amount of Skoria Procs = 11 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 8 second.


4th DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 80 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 9 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 9th second


5th DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 82 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 9 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 9th second.



DPS-test #6 and #7 are a little different than the previous ones. On these last 2 I only caused damage by using DoTs. These were: Blockade of Fire, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames and Eruption (Standard of Might is there as well but during a very short amount of time during each parse)

6th DPS-test:
Fight duration: 185 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 23 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 8th second.


7th DPS-test:
Fight duration: 184 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 18 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 10th second.



Now, these test doesn´t prove that Skoria can´t proc off-cooldown. To prove that I would probably have to run another 100 dps test exactly like the previous ones to come to any conclusion. I would assume that @GeorgeBlack have done hundreds of these dps-tests as he/she can say with such confidence that Skoria procs off-cooldown (kappa)

Now this was single target. Against more enemies we would most likely have more Skoria procs since the DoTs would affect more enemies. As I said earlier it´s easier to maintain more DoTs and have a higher uptime on these in a PvE scenario than in a PvP scenario. In PvP however you might face multiple enemies to apply your DoTs on, but this goes even more in favour for PvE (aside from single target fights).

So even if we run a PvE magicka DK setup, which is one of the classes that uses the most DoTs in the game, we´re still not close to proc it every 5 seconds.

SanTii.92

Qbiken wrote: »

Did some dps test with Skoria to see if it procs so often as you claim @GeorgeBlack
Now keep in mind that this is a PvE setup and it´s much easier to maintain a high uptime on your DoTs (also easier to maintain more DoTs) than it is in a PvP scenario, that fact is un-deniable.
Disclaimer: If some calculation is wrong/incorrect, feel free to point them out.

Now, these test doesn´t prove that Skoria can´t proc off-cooldown. To prove that I would probably have to run another 100 dps test exactly like the previous ones to come to any conclusion. I would assume that @GeorgeBlack have done hundreds of these dps-tests as he/she can say with such confidence that Skoria procs off-cooldown (kappa)

So even if we run a PvE magicka DK setup, which is one of the classes that uses the most DoTs in the game, we´re still not close to proc it every 5 seconds.

Damn, Op got schooled so hard.

GeorgeBlack

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Did some dps test with Skoria to see if it procs so often as you claim @GeorgeBlack
Now keep in mind that this is a PvE setup and it´s much easier to maintain a high uptime on your DoTs (also easier to maintain more DoTs) than it is in a PvP scenario, that fact is un-deniable.
Disclaimer: If some calculation is wrong/incorrect, feel free to point them out.

Now, these test doesn´t prove that Skoria can´t proc off-cooldown. To prove that I would probably have to run another 100 dps test exactly like the previous ones to come to any conclusion. I would assume that @GeorgeBlack have done hundreds of these dps-tests as he/she can say with such confidence that Skoria procs off-cooldown (kappa)

So even if we run a PvE magicka DK setup, which is one of the classes that uses the most DoTs in the game, we´re still not close to proc it every 5 seconds.

Damn, Op got schooled so hard.

I just got back from the movies. Despicable Me 3 was ok. Had a good time.
Nerf Skoria, Nerf Torugs Pact, proc damage sets. Eso is going in a good direction

olsborg

valkyn needs a nerf, it proccs all the livelong day in combat and deals way too much dmg (aoe)

idk

Qbiken wrote: »

Did some dps test with Skoria to see if it procs so often as you claim @GeorgeBlack
Now keep in mind that this is a PvE setup and it´s much easier to maintain a high uptime on your DoTs (also easier to maintain more DoTs) than it is in a PvP scenario, that fact is un-deniable.
Disclaimer: If some calculation is wrong/incorrect, feel free to point them out.

For these tests we will have a few common DoTs: (A total of 7 DoTs)
- Engulfing Flames
- Burning Embers
- Blockade of Fire
- Standard of Might
- Burning status effect
- Eruption
- Rearming Trap

My setup:


1st DPS-test: Even though this dps parse is the one that took the most time the uptime on my DoTs are high in this dps parse. Still I messed up this one so not to take this one as very accurate. But we have 9 Skoria-procs during 135 second --> Which gives us a proc-rate of 1 Skoria every 15 seconds (roughly)


2nd DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 84 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 12 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 7th second


3rd DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 87 seconds. Amount of Skoria Procs = 11 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 8 second.


4th DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 80 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 9 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 9th second


5th DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 82 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 9 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 9th second.



DPS-test #6 and #7 are a little different than the previous ones. On these last 2 I only caused damage by using DoTs. These were: Blockade of Fire, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames and Eruption (Standard of Might is there as well but during a very short amount of time during each parse)

6th DPS-test:
Fight duration: 185 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 23 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 8th second.


7th DPS-test:
Fight duration: 184 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 18 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 10th second.



Now, these test doesn´t prove that Skoria can´t proc off-cooldown. To prove that I would probably have to run another 100 dps test exactly like the previous ones to come to any conclusion. I would assume that @GeorgeBlack have done hundreds of these dps-tests as he/she can say with such confidence that Skoria procs off-cooldown (kappa)

Now this was single target. Against more enemies we would most likely have more Skoria procs since the DoTs would affect more enemies. As I said earlier it´s easier to maintain more DoTs and have a higher uptime on these in a PvE scenario than in a PvP scenario. In PvP however you might face multiple enemies to apply your DoTs on, but this goes even more in favour for PvE (aside from single target fights).

So even if we run a PvE magicka DK setup, which is one of the classes that uses the most DoTs in the game, we´re still not close to proc it every 5 seconds.

Your running a lot of dots in those tests. Probably much more than a magicka dk would run in PvP. Good work. Best to look at the entire picture rather than just call for a nerf because one doesn't like it.

Heck, that mDK trying to apply all those dots wouldn't get many dots applied before the sDK stood over their corpse. sDK

Sordidfairytale

Qbiken wrote: »

Did some dps test with Skoria to see if it procs so often as you claim @GeorgeBlack
Now keep in mind that this is a PvE setup and it´s much easier to maintain a high uptime on your DoTs (also easier to maintain more DoTs) than it is in a PvP scenario, that fact is un-deniable.
Disclaimer: If some calculation is wrong/incorrect, feel free to point them out.

For these tests we will have a few common DoTs: (A total of 7 DoTs)
- Engulfing Flames
- Burning Embers
- Blockade of Fire
- Standard of Might
- Burning status effect
- Eruption
- Rearming Trap

My setup:


1st DPS-test: Even though this dps parse is the one that took the most time the uptime on my DoTs are high in this dps parse. Still I messed up this one so not to take this one as very accurate. But we have 9 Skoria-procs during 135 second --> Which gives us a proc-rate of 1 Skoria every 15 seconds (roughly)


2nd DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 84 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 12 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 7th second


3rd DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 87 seconds. Amount of Skoria Procs = 11 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 8 second.


4th DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 80 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 9 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 9th second


5th DPS-test:
Fight duration: Roughly 82 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 9 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 9th second.



DPS-test #6 and #7 are a little different than the previous ones. On these last 2 I only caused damage by using DoTs. These were: Blockade of Fire, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames and Eruption (Standard of Might is there as well but during a very short amount of time during each parse)

6th DPS-test:
Fight duration: 185 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 23 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 8th second.


7th DPS-test:
Fight duration: 184 seconds. Amount of Skoria procs = 18 --> Which gives us a procrate of 1 Skoria every 10th second.



Now, these test doesn´t prove that Skoria can´t proc off-cooldown. To prove that I would probably have to run another 100 dps test exactly like the previous ones to come to any conclusion. I would assume that @GeorgeBlack have done hundreds of these dps-tests as he/she can say with such confidence that Skoria procs off-cooldown (kappa)

Now this was single target. Against more enemies we would most likely have more Skoria procs since the DoTs would affect more enemies. As I said earlier it´s easier to maintain more DoTs and have a higher uptime on these in a PvE scenario than in a PvP scenario. In PvP however you might face multiple enemies to apply your DoTs on, but this goes even more in favour for PvE (aside from single target fights).

So even if we run a PvE magicka DK setup, which is one of the classes that uses the most DoTs in the game, we´re still not close to proc it every 5 seconds.

Your science dot just proc'd my valkyn skoria.