I'd like to see Transmogrification of armor styles be tel var based.

NightbladeMechanics

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I've not insulted anyone. I've just triggered you all by pointing out that you aren't entitled to own every new feature of the game. You're the one insulting me.

Oh, yes you have, troll. Go back a few pages to where you were unloading with the "gitgud" garbage. We don't need to "gitgud" in a mode we want nothing to do with, but you desperately need to git a clue.

If you want to farm transmog in IC without dying, you should git gud at PvP.

If you don't want to git gud at PvP, you may purchase your transmog items from PvPers on guild traders.

No one is making you play in IC.

Tannus15

Artis wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

Furniture is not locked behind a DLC. If furniture mats were only available in wrothgar or hew's bane I would also be pissed in EXACTLY the same way I'm pissed that battlegrounds are locked behind Morrowind, even though I don't play them.

Locking features behind DLC which should be fundamental to the game is idiotic.

Not all furniture. But some furniture is. A lot of pvp sets are.

And yes, THAT is the only sound point - locked behind DLC. But when did that stop ZOS? On the contrary, it's good for them too - will encourage people to buy that DLC. Sorry, but a lot of purely cosmetic things are locked behind DLCs. Some motifs, some dyes, some furniture, some costumes. Besides, no one says transmog stuff should only be acquired in IC 100% of the time.Sure, there can be much smaller drop rates in base game. Besides, as far as I know, most guild stores aren't locked behind any DLC.... Imagine, that you're buying that stuff from vendors for gold. DOn't pay much attention that it was players who listed those things at that vendor. For all you care - it's just a vendor selling things for gold. Just like all furniture which you are okay with.

Put it in the base game and I we're good. Put it in chests like malachite shards or end bosses like laurels. Undaunted chests, fighters guild dailies or whatever.
I don't care.
I would literally rather do any other content in the game than the Imperial City.

TheRealPotoroo

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I've not insulted anyone. I've just triggered you all by pointing out that you aren't entitled to own every new feature of the game. You're the one insulting me.

Oh, yes you have, troll. Go back a few pages to where you were unloading with the "gitgud" garbage. We don't need to "gitgud" in a mode we want nothing to do with, but you desperately need to git a clue.

If you want to farm transmog in IC without dying, you should git gud at PvP.

If you don't want to git gud at PvP, you may purchase your transmog items from PvPers on guild traders.

No one is making you play in IC.

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Tannus15

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

@Artis The difference between furniture, furniture crafting and making transmog only available for tel'var is that furniture items are available game wide.

There are furniture vendors in every zone.
Furniture items can be purchased with AP.
There are furniture achievement vendors in every zone.
Furniture patterns drop in every zone. You can get them off mobs. You can get them off pick pocketing. You can get them from stealing.
And now furniture items can be acquired from all those places as well.
Furniture crafting materials drop in every zone.
You get special furniture items for completing dungeons and trials.


NO DLC is required to buy a house or access furniture.

Contrast this to the proposal.
The only place you can acquire transmog items is the imperial city.
It can only be acquired via tel'var stones.
Imperial city cannot be accessed without purchasing a DLC or subscribing.

I think it's pretty clear that your comparison to furniture is kinda BS. I literally don't know how furniture could be integrated more into more areas of the game than it already is.

He means that not everyone crafts, so most people have to buy furniture items from crafters.

Similarly, not everyone plays PvP or has an ESO+ subscription, so many people would have to buy transmog items from IC players.

There are a lot of furniture item options other than crafting. I've spent literally hundreds of thousands of gold buying furniture from NPC vendors.

That is beside the point. You pay gold for those items just like you pay gold for crafted ones if you are not a crafter yourself.

The analogy was comparing farming transmog items yourself to crafting furniture items yourself, versus having to buy transmog or furniture pieces from vendors (guild traders and regular furniture traders being comparable gold transactions).

Edit: to elaborate, not everyone crafts. Those who do can make their own furniture, but those who don't have to purchase theirs with gold. Similarly, not everyone plays PvP or has an ESO+ subscription. Those who do can farm their own transmog items in IC, but those who don't have to purchase theirs with gold. Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, but my point is that you can acquire furniture from literally anywhere where this idea put it solely in the Imperial City, behind a DLC paywall, in an area that the majority of the player base has no interest in going to.

You justification for this seems to be two fold.

1: the get more people to play in the imperial city because you enjoy that content.
2: So that people who also enjoy that content feel incentive into playing there, ie: they can sell transmogs for gold.

And you seem to be ok with this by somehow equating tel'var with gold. Gold is the most common currency in the game. Tel'var is probably the most rare.
Then your second layer of defence is that people who can't or won't go to the imperial city can buy it off guild vendors, and this is ok because that's how furniture works with crafting.

Artis wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

@Artis The difference between furniture, furniture crafting and making transmog only available for tel'var is that furniture items are available game wide.

There are furniture vendors in every zone.
Furniture items can be purchased with AP.
There are furniture achievement vendors in every zone.
Furniture patterns drop in every zone. You can get them off mobs. You can get them off pick pocketing. You can get them from stealing.
And now furniture items can be acquired from all those places as well.
Furniture crafting materials drop in every zone.
You get special furniture items for completing dungeons and trials.


NO DLC is required to buy a house or access furniture.

Contrast this to the proposal.
The only place you can acquire transmog items is the imperial city.
It can only be acquired via tel'var stones.
Imperial city cannot be accessed without purchasing a DLC or subscribing.

I think it's pretty clear that your comparison to furniture is kinda BS. I literally don't know how furniture could be integrated more into more areas of the game than it already is.

He means that not everyone crafts, so most people have to buy furniture items from crafters.

Similarly, not everyone plays PvP or has an ESO+ subscription, so many people would have to buy transmog items from IC players.

There are a lot of furniture item options other than crafting. I've spent literally hundreds of thousands of gold buying furniture from NPC vendors.

You can not access most of the furniture if you don't craft/ buy from crafters or even pve. For example, PvPers only get very small part of it. AND get nothing to sell and finance their playstyle. Whereas crafters can get vouchers, craft items - and sell. Don't forget, not everyone likes to farm gold, so why lock this feature behind gold?

So nope, the comparison is not BS. What's BS is that you are okay with locking content behind what YOU play and aren't okay with having it behind what you don't play. Yet, you are talking as if you cared about the whole game and other players.

Furniture is not locked behind a DLC. If furniture mats were only available in wrothgar or hew's bane I would also be pissed in EXACTLY the same way I'm pissed that battlegrounds are locked behind Morrowind, even though I don't play them.

Locking features behind DLC which should be fundamental to the game is idiotic.

Yep, that sounds about right. I want to give people more reasons to fight over bosses and flags in IC, and I want the tel var currency to be stronger.

I disagree with your aversion to "locking" things behind DLCs, though. ZOS is a business, and they have to make money in order to keep creating content.

Transmog is not content. It's a feature, like the dye station.

NightbladeMechanics

Tannus15 wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

Furniture is not locked behind a DLC. If furniture mats were only available in wrothgar or hew's bane I would also be pissed in EXACTLY the same way I'm pissed that battlegrounds are locked behind Morrowind, even though I don't play them.

Locking features behind DLC which should be fundamental to the game is idiotic.

Not all furniture. But some furniture is. A lot of pvp sets are.

And yes, THAT is the only sound point - locked behind DLC. But when did that stop ZOS? On the contrary, it's good for them too - will encourage people to buy that DLC. Sorry, but a lot of purely cosmetic things are locked behind DLCs. Some motifs, some dyes, some furniture, some costumes. Besides, no one says transmog stuff should only be acquired in IC 100% of the time.Sure, there can be much smaller drop rates in base game. Besides, as far as I know, most guild stores aren't locked behind any DLC.... Imagine, that you're buying that stuff from vendors for gold. DOn't pay much attention that it was players who listed those things at that vendor. For all you care - it's just a vendor selling things for gold. Just like all furniture which you are okay with.

Put it in the base game and I we're good. Put it in chests like malachite shards or end bosses like laurels. Undaunted chests, fighters guild dailies or whatever.
I don't care.
I would literally rather do any other content in the game than the Imperial City.

But...guild traders?

NightbladeMechanics

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I've not insulted anyone. I've just triggered you all by pointing out that you aren't entitled to own every new feature of the game. You're the one insulting me.

Oh, yes you have, troll. Go back a few pages to where you were unloading with the "gitgud" garbage. We don't need to "gitgud" in a mode we want nothing to do with, but you desperately need to git a clue.

If you want to farm transmog in IC without dying, you should git gud at PvP.

If you don't want to git gud at PvP, you may purchase your transmog items from PvPers on guild traders.

No one is making you play in IC.

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Tannus15

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

Furniture is not locked behind a DLC. If furniture mats were only available in wrothgar or hew's bane I would also be pissed in EXACTLY the same way I'm pissed that battlegrounds are locked behind Morrowind, even though I don't play them.

Locking features behind DLC which should be fundamental to the game is idiotic.

Not all furniture. But some furniture is. A lot of pvp sets are.

And yes, THAT is the only sound point - locked behind DLC. But when did that stop ZOS? On the contrary, it's good for them too - will encourage people to buy that DLC. Sorry, but a lot of purely cosmetic things are locked behind DLCs. Some motifs, some dyes, some furniture, some costumes. Besides, no one says transmog stuff should only be acquired in IC 100% of the time.Sure, there can be much smaller drop rates in base game. Besides, as far as I know, most guild stores aren't locked behind any DLC.... Imagine, that you're buying that stuff from vendors for gold. DOn't pay much attention that it was players who listed those things at that vendor. For all you care - it's just a vendor selling things for gold. Just like all furniture which you are okay with.

Put it in the base game and I we're good. Put it in chests like malachite shards or end bosses like laurels. Undaunted chests, fighters guild dailies or whatever.
I don't care.
I would literally rather do any other content in the game than the Imperial City.

But...guild traders?

Always my last resort.

I like to play the game wherever possible. I harvest my own mats, I find my own recipes, I craft my own gear and my own furniture.

Lord-Otto

@NightbladeMechanics

You have insulted my player skill, my build, my group-forming competence. You have belittled me and categorised. And worst of all, you were wrong on all parts. Yes, highborn speeches trigger me when I know how wrong they are.

I play more PvP than PvE. I AM one of those PvPers who don't come to the general forum toooo often.

When have people ever put respectable prices into the guild stores? Hakeijos and Akavir is affordable because the demand is limited. Transmog would be the most crucial customization feature after costumes. Put 1 and 1 together and you can predict how expensive that feature would become, especially since people like you would demand high prices. Half a million gold for a sharpened War Maiden inferno? Bet we could top that.

No, IC is what it is now. Just enjoy it with the few people who like it. Again, those are the minority for a reason. Your idea would force people there against their will, and the comments here should show you how players would take that.

If you want to vitalize IC, don't force people there - LURE them! The satchels were a good start, but are not worth the hassle. Double the ingredients, for example. It would make Tel Var worth it and reduce the prices in guild stores for plants, which would give players a chance to run poisons in PvE without running broke. Add more Tel Var luxury furniture. Make Akaviri motifs buyable with Tel Var, and make that cost comparably lower than with AP.

REWARD players for going to IC, not PUNISH those who don't!

TheRealPotoroo

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

NightbladeMechanics

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Someone (was it you?) said they hated IC because they died to gankers whenever they tried to play there. Do you expect me to hold their hand or console them? No. I told them to expect PvP if they go to IC and suggested ways to improve their play if they want to compete there. That's how competition works. Grow a backbone.

And I stand by my quote. Something needs to be done about IC. Whether it's with transmog or not is not important, but something needs to be done.

MattT1988

I've adjusted my stance on this issue. At first I was dead against it. But now I see it does have some merit, providing IC isn't the only way to obtain it. Having a PvP way of getting it and a PvE way of getting it would probably be ideal. IC and vet undaunted pledges would probably be fair. I'll always support ideas that support the idea of having a PvP or a PvE way of getting anything in the game. I firmly believe that no one should be forced to PvP if they only want to PvE and visa versa, no one should be forced to PvE if they only want to PvP.

This could all be pointless anyway. They might make the transmog system apart of the dyeing system which would mean anybody could do it. Come to think of it there might be some merit to that argument too.

TheRealPotoroo

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Someone (was it you?) said they hated IC because they died to gankers whenever they tried to play there. Do you expect me to hold their hand or console them? No. I told them to expect PvP if they go to IC and suggested ways to improve their play if they want to compete there. That's how competition works. Grow a backbone.

Jesus wept, your arrogance knows no bounds. Our backbones are just fine. Your comprehension, though, is woeful. We are not inferior because we don't want to have anything to do with a game mode that you like.

And I stand by my quote. Something needs to be done about IC. Whether it's with transmog or not is not important, but something needs to be done.

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

NightbladeMechanics

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics

You have insulted my player skill, my build, my group-forming competence. You have belittled me and categorised. And worst of all, you were wrong on all parts. Yes, highborn speeches trigger me when I know how wrong they are.

I play more PvP than PvE. I AM one of those PvPers who don't come to the general forum toooo often.

When have people ever put respectable prices into the guild stores? Hakeijos and Akavir is affordable because the demand is limited. Transmog would be the most crucial customization feature after costumes. Put 1 and 1 together and you can predict how expensive that feature would become, especially since people like you would demand high prices. Half a million gold for a sharpened War Maiden inferno? Bet we could top that.

No, IC is what it is now. Just enjoy it with the few people who like it. Again, those are the minority for a reason. Your idea would force people there against their will, and the comments here should show you how players would take that.

If you want to vitalize IC, don't force people there - LURE them! The satchels were a good start, but are not worth the hassle. Double the ingredients, for example. It would make Tel Var worth it and reduce the prices in guild stores for plants, which would give players a chance to run poisons in PvE without running broke. Add more Tel Var luxury furniture. Make Akaviri motifs buyable with Tel Var, and make that cost comparably lower than with AP.

REWARD players for going to IC, not PUNISH those who don't!

You understand the principles of supply and demand backwards.

Hakeijo and Akaviri motifs are high priced compared to other runestones and motif pages because there are more buyers than sellers. If there were more sellers than buyers, with limited demand as you say, then prices would more closely mimic Makko and Xivkyn motif pages as sellers undercut each other.

And as I said before, as long as ZOS implements high enough drop rates for transmog items, prices can be whatever they want. Prices are not determined by individual players. They are determined by forces of supply and demand en masse.

Also, there are just as many PvEers as PvPers who would maliciously price gouge transmog items if given the chance.

My proposal would lure PvPers there and reward them for playing there. Many people love IC. To think otherwise is to be out of touch with the PvP community. Like I've been repeating endlessly, just because an item is sourced in one part of the game does not mean you have to go play that content to get it. Guild traders exist for a reason.

NightbladeMechanics

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Someone (was it you?) said they hated IC because they died to gankers whenever they tried to play there. Do you expect me to hold their hand or console them? No. I told them to expect PvP if they go to IC and suggested ways to improve their play if they want to compete there. That's how competition works. Grow a backbone.

Jesus wept, your arrogance knows no bounds. Our backbones are just fine. Your comprehension, though, is woeful. We are not inferior because we don't want to have anything to do with a game mode that you like.

And I stand by my quote. Something needs to be done about IC. Whether it's with transmog or not is not important, but something needs to be done.

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Don't worry, you don't have to play there if you don't want to, and I don't want you there if you don't want to be there. The items would be purchasable on traders.

I wouldn't want to be forced to complete trials or do writs, so I'm glad I could buy all those Dwever Construct Repair Parts and Animus Stones to make my Target Centurions! You don't see me hatefully lashing out at ZOS for locking things behind PvE.

Still going to maintain that transmog's high initial demand and reliable long term demand make it a viable feature with which to attract people back to IC!

WhiteMage

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Someone (was it you?) said they hated IC because they died to gankers whenever they tried to play there. Do you expect me to hold their hand or console them? No. I told them to expect PvP if they go to IC and suggested ways to improve their play if they want to compete there. That's how competition works. Grow a backbone.

Jesus wept, your arrogance knows no bounds. Our backbones are just fine. Your comprehension, though, is woeful. We are not inferior because we don't want to have anything to do with a game mode that you like.

And I stand by my quote. Something needs to be done about IC. Whether it's with transmog or not is not important, but something needs to be done.

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Oh my goodness. This behavior... I feel like I've seen this somewhere before. By any chance, which is a very long shot by the way, does the screen name Just Some Kid mean anything to you?

Once upon a time I visited a climate change deniers' website to debate with people in the comments section after each article. Eventually I got called a troll and this one guy kept replying to all my posts everywhere by calling me a troll, and linking a quote of me conceding I could be one (which he got by incessant baiting, funny that) over and over again where it had no place.

It was not a friendly place. I got a (temporary) IP ban from that lol.

Huyen

Forcing pve players to do pvp...yeah, that will make ESO great again...

TheRealPotoroo

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

Don't worry, you don't have to play there if you don't want to, and I don't want you there if you don't want to be there. The items would be purchasable on traders.

I wouldn't want to be forced to complete trials or do writs, so I'm glad I could buy all those Dwever Construct Repair Parts and Animus Stones to make my Target Centurions! You don't see me hatefully lashing out at ZOS for locking things behind PvE.

Still going to maintain that transmog's high initial demand and reliable long term demand make it a viable feature with which to attract people back to IC!

Nobody is hating on ZoS because this appalling nonsense didn't come from them, it came from you. And the hate being directed your way is well earned by your arrogance, obnoxiousness, insults and bad faith.

WhiteMage wrote: »

Oh my goodness. This behavior... I feel like I've seen this somewhere before. By any chance, which is a very long shot by the way, does the screen name Just Some Kid mean anything to you?

No.

Once upon a time I visited a climate change deniers' website to debate with people in the comments section after each article. Eventually I got called a troll and this one guy kept replying to all my posts everywhere by calling me a troll, and linking a quote of me conceding I could be one (which he got by incessant baiting, funny that) over and over again where it had no place.

It was not a friendly place. I got a (temporary) IP ban from that lol.

NightbladeMechanics admitted to trolling in response to you. Whatever. It's enough that he's been arguing in bad faith for the entirety of the thread. He should feel bad but he won't because that would take integrity.

Feanor

IC is dead because it was stillborn. It was pushed in a raw unfinished state. Other than WGT and ICP it offers nothing great. If I dropped my ESO+ I wouldn't pick up IC.

NightbladeMechanics

Huyen wrote: »

Forcing pve players to do pvp...yeah, that will make ESO great again...

Guild traders!

Feanor wrote: »

IC is dead because it was stillborn. It was pushed in a raw unfinished state. Other than WGT and ICP it offers nothing great. If I dropped my ESO+ I wouldn't pick up IC.

Yea. Needs to be completed.

NightbladeMechanics

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

Don't worry, you don't have to play there if you don't want to, and I don't want you there if you don't want to be there. The items would be purchasable on traders.

I wouldn't want to be forced to complete trials or do writs, so I'm glad I could buy all those Dwever Construct Repair Parts and Animus Stones to make my Target Centurions! You don't see me hatefully lashing out at ZOS for locking things behind PvE.

Still going to maintain that transmog's high initial demand and reliable long term demand make it a viable feature with which to attract people back to IC!

Nobody is hating on ZoS because this appalling nonsense didn't come from them, it came from you. And the hate being directed your way is well earned by your arrogance, obnoxiousness, insults and bad faith.

WhiteMage wrote: »

Oh my goodness. This behavior... I feel like I've seen this somewhere before. By any chance, which is a very long shot by the way, does the screen name Just Some Kid mean anything to you?

No.

Once upon a time I visited a climate change deniers' website to debate with people in the comments section after each article. Eventually I got called a troll and this one guy kept replying to all my posts everywhere by calling me a troll, and linking a quote of me conceding I could be one (which he got by incessant baiting, funny that) over and over again where it had no place.

It was not a friendly place. I got a (temporary) IP ban from that lol.

NightbladeMechanics admitted to trolling in response to you. Whatever. It's enough that he's been arguing in bad faith for the entirety of the thread. He should feel bad but he won't because that would take integrity.

Never said I'm trolling. You said that, and it's false.

idk

Artis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Dude, Zos put in 5 ways to get furniture, each with differing selections. OMG, forgot the luxury vendor on the weekends. BTW, My bet is you know people with houses that have purchased items from the regular vendors. Docks, ramps, stones, bushes and more.

For hard core PvP players, what would they do with a house. Make it pretty. No. If they had a house they would use it for dueling. I doubt they would spend time furnishing it. I am not a hard core PvP person but I can tell you I do not worry about my house outside of a test dummy. There is not a test dummy for PvP either.

My argument has nothing to do with PvP. It has to do with no one want to go down to IC as it is, PvE or PvP. Why force players to play an instance no one wants to play. Just look at my posts on the last few pages. Makes it clear.

So? ALL of those 5 ways are actually 1 way - you NEED to have a lot of gold to buy those things. Almost no furniture is free. And only basic furniture is cheap. Stones and bushes are not enough to make a cool house.

Yes. Make it pretty. Why not? WTF is this bigotry? Housing is completely orthogonal to pvp or pve.

Bigotry, Seriously lol if you are saying that about my comments.

Asgari

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

@Artis The difference between furniture, furniture crafting and making transmog only available for tel'var is that furniture items are available game wide.

There are furniture vendors in every zone.
Furniture items can be purchased with AP.
There are furniture achievement vendors in every zone.
Furniture patterns drop in every zone. You can get them off mobs. You can get them off pick pocketing. You can get them from stealing.
And now furniture items can be acquired from all those places as well.
Furniture crafting materials drop in every zone.
You get special furniture items for completing dungeons and trials.


NO DLC is required to buy a house or access furniture.

Contrast this to the proposal.
The only place you can acquire transmog items is the imperial city.
It can only be acquired via tel'var stones.
Imperial city cannot be accessed without purchasing a DLC or subscribing.

I think it's pretty clear that your comparison to furniture is kinda BS. I literally don't know how furniture could be integrated more into more areas of the game than it already is.

He means that not everyone crafts, so most people have to buy furniture items from crafters.

Similarly, not everyone plays PvP or has an ESO+ subscription, so many people would have to buy transmog items from IC players.

There are a lot of furniture item options other than crafting. I've spent literally hundreds of thousands of gold buying furniture from NPC vendors.

That is beside the point. You pay gold for those items just like you pay gold for crafted ones if you are not a crafter yourself.

The analogy was comparing farming transmog items yourself to crafting furniture items yourself, versus having to buy transmog or furniture pieces from vendors (guild traders and regular furniture traders being comparable gold transactions).

Edit: to elaborate, not everyone crafts. Those who do can make their own furniture, but those who don't have to purchase theirs with gold. Similarly, not everyone plays PvP or has an ESO+ subscription. Those who do can farm their own transmog items in IC, but those who don't have to purchase theirs with gold. Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, but my point is that you can acquire furniture from literally anywhere where this idea put it solely in the Imperial City, behind a DLC paywall, in an area that the majority of the player base has no interest in going to.

You justification for this seems to be two fold.

1: the get more people to play in the imperial city because you enjoy that content.
2: So that people who also enjoy that content feel incentive into playing there, ie: they can sell transmogs for gold.

And you seem to be ok with this by somehow equating tel'var with gold. Gold is the most common currency in the game. Tel'var is probably the most rare.
Then your second layer of defence is that people who can't or won't go to the imperial city can buy it off guild vendors, and this is ok because that's how furniture works with crafting.

Artis wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

@Artis The difference between furniture, furniture crafting and making transmog only available for tel'var is that furniture items are available game wide.

There are furniture vendors in every zone.
Furniture items can be purchased with AP.
There are furniture achievement vendors in every zone.
Furniture patterns drop in every zone. You can get them off mobs. You can get them off pick pocketing. You can get them from stealing.
And now furniture items can be acquired from all those places as well.
Furniture crafting materials drop in every zone.
You get special furniture items for completing dungeons and trials.


NO DLC is required to buy a house or access furniture.

Contrast this to the proposal.
The only place you can acquire transmog items is the imperial city.
It can only be acquired via tel'var stones.
Imperial city cannot be accessed without purchasing a DLC or subscribing.

I think it's pretty clear that your comparison to furniture is kinda BS. I literally don't know how furniture could be integrated more into more areas of the game than it already is.

He means that not everyone crafts, so most people have to buy furniture items from crafters.

Similarly, not everyone plays PvP or has an ESO+ subscription, so many people would have to buy transmog items from IC players.

There are a lot of furniture item options other than crafting. I've spent literally hundreds of thousands of gold buying furniture from NPC vendors.

You can not access most of the furniture if you don't craft/ buy from crafters or even pve. For example, PvPers only get very small part of it. AND get nothing to sell and finance their playstyle. Whereas crafters can get vouchers, craft items - and sell. Don't forget, not everyone likes to farm gold, so why lock this feature behind gold?

So nope, the comparison is not BS. What's BS is that you are okay with locking content behind what YOU play and aren't okay with having it behind what you don't play. Yet, you are talking as if you cared about the whole game and other players.

Furniture is not locked behind a DLC. If furniture mats were only available in wrothgar or hew's bane I would also be pissed in EXACTLY the same way I'm pissed that battlegrounds are locked behind Morrowind, even though I don't play them.

Locking features behind DLC which should be fundamental to the game is idiotic.

Yep, that sounds about right. I want to give people more reasons to fight over bosses and flags in IC, and I want the tel var currency to be stronger.

I disagree with your aversion to "locking" things behind DLCs, though. ZOS is a business, and they have to make money in order to keep creating content.

Transmog is not content. It's a feature, like the dye station.

99.99% chance it will not be a feature like the dye station. I guarantee it will require some level of farming/questing to obtain the items needed to change to what you want.

No way they will make this a free base game change and then make it free in game to do like the dye station.

IC is the best option as it gives access to all players with IC to make in game gold on a DOA zone. It is plenty easy to farm Tel Var and not be punished with how you still get to keep 50% after death.

dusk194

When the hell was the last post related to the OP in this thread? Can we move this Forum PVP match to the PVP section or maybe change the title lol.

Doctordarkspawn

WhiteMage wrote: »

Jeez @Doctordarkspawn ... I don't know how you can stand to have so much hate in you... You need to let that go, man. This is the Internet. No one here knows who you are, let alone has reason to hate you. Dude. Don't project any hatred onto PvPers.

There are four type of gamers, according to Bartle's Taxonomy. PvPers would definitely fit into the "Killers" category (which some call griefers, but that is unfair). To us, knowledge is power and killing other players has its own joy in it, something that just isn't there when fighting scripted, predictable PvE monsters. There are many kind of killers, and like any other group of people, some of us are ***, yes, but *** don't hate you. Precisely because there is no hatred behind offensive behavior by these people makes them ***. But you know, some explorers and achievers and socializers are *** too. A killer might show it by ganking you over and over again, whereas a socializer will verbally abuse you in zone chat.

Some people just don't enjoy PvP and for the life of me I'll never understand that. But seriously. None of us hate you, especially as a person. We have nothing against you for you just doing you. PvPers are people too and people don't go around hating for no good reason. Killers live in a kill or be killed world, a wreck or get rekt, a (pardon my language) *** or get *** world, and deal with the latter examples by bettering ourselves/situations. That may be how we have been putting up with, since forever, the great neglect we are getting from MMO developers. ZOS and ESO aren't special in that regard, but we are playing ESO and things aren't great so what do we do? We go about improving our situation. Some change themselves, and enjoy a different type of playstyle, while others try to communicate with the developers to get things on a good track. It has been incredibly frustrating seeing our side of the table be neglected, especially when PvE isn't. Maybe you don't see the goodies and the quality of life changes that are made that don't affect PvP in the slightest. Maybe you don't see in inconveniences that PvPers have to endure in order to better compete. There are a plethora of great potential PvP sets locked away behind PvE dungeons, all BoP, while in PvP we have a number of sets that PvEers couldn't care less about, but if they ever did they could get them cheap in a guild store because they are all BoE. Maybe you don't see how little we get currency-wise in PvP compared to the prices for so many goodies found in PvE that we need to better compete. Maybe you don't see that the only DLC that we have a stake in, IC, is pretty lame, because it was designed as a "PvP-enabled PvE zone" (IIRC that is how it is advertised). What's that mean?

IC is that dream world for many PvPers: a zone where PvPers can go around killing PvEers if they so choose. We all know why that is just a fantasy. In fact, you can observe the same phenomenon in just PvPers. When one side overpowers the other(s) and holds that indisputable control over another for long enough, well... population wanes as people log off and log on less frequently, which serves to perpetuate the cycle. (Even now DC are doing this in Sotha Sil, NA PC are are clueless towards the consequences) now apply that between PvPers (who will never lose to PvEers in a vacuum due to poor game mechanics (PvE is not at all like PvP) ) and PvEers. Yep, the PvEers slowly drain away, leaving only the dominant side to circle jerk till they log in less. Now drag this out over a year.

IC, rather than be a PvPers wonderland, is a lousy zone filled with too many mobs for some PvPers and too many PvPers for some PvEers. It needs a facelift, and the OP has offered many very different suggestings for it over the last year and a half. It needs something, undeniably, but if we knew what it was then it'd be fixed by now.

So yes, many dirty rotten "griefers" are frustrated with the "carebears" that care nothing for us because of some perceived offense, but we don't hate you. If I met you in cyrodiil, I'd love to kill you. If I met Kena in cyrodiil, I'd love to kill him too. I made a build specifically for doing that because I got screwed in the arse many times trying to (haven't tested it on him, but it's my go-to anti-mNB build). It's not his suffering I crave (that would be a bonus) and it's not yours either. It's whatever you got up top and how you bring it to the table when I meet you in a dark alley.

We don't hate you. We really don't.

Firstly, the whole 'killers' thing isn't really workin' in your favor. I'm just saying. This makes you sound like -psycopaths-. Or the mascot for the iron maiden album.

Secondly, I'll keep this brief. Your fun is allways going to come at the cost of mine, both in a balance context and in a venue like IC. You win, I lose. When balance changes start being made, they negatively impact PVE. And as one of those magical people who you just dont get, I dont like PVP. I hate MMO PVP. I dont want to do it, the biggest PVP achievement I have is I think Tyro. I just dont like it.

So how do you think I'm going to act when people try to lock a feature that should be as widespread, available, and common behind not just PVP, but IC PVP? I have said it before, I will say it again. I hate the same when it's locked behind PVE. Worldbosses, delve bosses, I dont like it. It's cosmetic. Let it be available to everyone.

I'd also like to point out, that I do not agree with Bartles Taxonomy. Every impression I have from PVPers is over six years of experience cross game, and personal relationships I've had with the same. And the relationships can allways be summed up in one word. Abusive. And it wasn't allways toward me, either.

This was not a stab at you. Or anyone else in the thread, for that matter. This is just me trying to give some clartity, to the only remaining person in the thread who seems to be willing to have a honest discussion. You wanna talk about how to get IC back on it's feet? It'd totally be willing to, even if it means I'm the wet rag who's mostly just there for an 'untrained opinion'. But so long as IC is anywhere on the table I'm just gonna blast you, because no where should it be anywhere near the table. I will never stop fighting this idea, but It's not like I'm not willing to work with you.

Someone else suggested, buyable gold tempers. I think that's a good place to start, as that's the thing I've put forward for the PVE difficulty mode rebalance I've put forward time after time.

Artis

WhiteMage wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Someone (was it you?) said they hated IC because they died to gankers whenever they tried to play there. Do you expect me to hold their hand or console them? No. I told them to expect PvP if they go to IC and suggested ways to improve their play if they want to compete there. That's how competition works. Grow a backbone.

Jesus wept, your arrogance knows no bounds. Our backbones are just fine. Your comprehension, though, is woeful. We are not inferior because we don't want to have anything to do with a game mode that you like.

And I stand by my quote. Something needs to be done about IC. Whether it's with transmog or not is not important, but something needs to be done.

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Oh my goodness. This behavior... I feel like I've seen this somewhere before. By any chance, which is a very long shot by the way, does the screen name Just Some Kid mean anything to you?

Once upon a time I visited a climate change deniers' website to debate with people in the comments section after each article. Eventually I got called a troll and this one guy kept replying to all my posts everywhere by calling me a troll, and linking a quote of me conceding I could be one (which he got by incessant baiting, funny that) over and over again where it had no place.

It was not a friendly place. I got a (temporary) IP ban from that lol.

Climate has always been fluctuating on small and big time scales, arguably nothing odd is happening. But try to debate on any Flat Earth page.. Now THAT's gonna be a lot of fun, I promise.

Huyen wrote: »

Forcing pve players to do pvp...yeah, that will make ESO great again...

@Huyen read threads before commenting. NO one is forcing pve to do pvp. Not more than pvp players are forced to do pve or craft - but you are okay with that for some reason(thought you care about not forcing players to do what they don't like?). Oh but you probably posted just to farm those agrees from cry babies

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Bigotry, Seriously lol if you are saying that about my comments.

Absolutely. Why would you stereotype pvpers and say they won't be interested in housing or whatever else.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Firstly, the whole 'killers' thing isn't really workin' in your favor. I'm just saying. This makes you sound like -psycopaths-. Or the mascot for the iron maiden album.

Off topic, but killers are not more psychopaths than, say, socializers who pay for the game just to chat - can't they talk to to real people IRL?

And pvp players aren't that bad. Seriously, just get some experience before jumping to conclusions. Join a pvp guild maybe to see? If all your experience is going to pvp and getting killed by an enemy - then sure, it's not fun. But there are also allies. Hm, I'm sure a lot of players you chat with in your guilds or zone are pvpers and aren't abusive to you or you even like them and just don't know that they are pvpers.

Other than that, yeah if it's not fun for you then it's not. Can do nothing about it. But honestly, comparing it with pve - pvping with a group is not less fun that doing a dungeon in a group. If everyone is actually committed to play as a team.

Huyen

Artis wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You said you hadn't insulted anyone but you lied. You're just a troll who is arguing in bad faith.

Telling you to go improve at PvP if you want to play in IC without dying is not insulting you. You're just taking it personally for some reason.

And the thread is a serious proposal. In the end, I don't care how ZOS fixes IC, be it using transmog or not. But, like I said, something needs to be done. You're speaking circularly again, and you're clinging to screaming "troll" because you don't have an actual argument against my proposal except for "I don't want to play in IC," which holds no water.

Of course telling people that they are inadequate because they don't like a play mode you like is insulting, which is exactly why you use it.

As for the other, I'm reminding everybody you're just a troll arguing in bad faith because you're just a troll arguing in bad faith. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Someone (was it you?) said they hated IC because they died to gankers whenever they tried to play there. Do you expect me to hold their hand or console them? No. I told them to expect PvP if they go to IC and suggested ways to improve their play if they want to compete there. That's how competition works. Grow a backbone.

Jesus wept, your arrogance knows no bounds. Our backbones are just fine. Your comprehension, though, is woeful. We are not inferior because we don't want to have anything to do with a game mode that you like.

And I stand by my quote. Something needs to be done about IC. Whether it's with transmog or not is not important, but something needs to be done.

Troll. If you were genuine about IC you would have abandoned your insane crusade to drag transmog into it long ago when you exposed your bad faith.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nope, didn't forget. Just amusing myself with the haters. Indeed this thread is my way of shedding some limelight on IC by poking at a new and hotbutton topic. I really don't care if transmog ends up in IC. Something needs to be done with IC though, and transmog would make a fitting tool by which to make some improvements.

Oh my goodness. This behavior... I feel like I've seen this somewhere before. By any chance, which is a very long shot by the way, does the screen name Just Some Kid mean anything to you?

Once upon a time I visited a climate change deniers' website to debate with people in the comments section after each article. Eventually I got called a troll and this one guy kept replying to all my posts everywhere by calling me a troll, and linking a quote of me conceding I could be one (which he got by incessant baiting, funny that) over and over again where it had no place.

It was not a friendly place. I got a (temporary) IP ban from that lol.

Climate has always been fluctuating on small and big time scales, arguably nothing odd is happening. But try to debate on any Flat Earth page.. Now THAT's gonna be a lot of fun, I promise.

Huyen wrote: »

Forcing pve players to do pvp...yeah, that will make ESO great again...

@Huyen read threads before commenting. NO one is forcing pve to do pvp. Not more than pvp players are forced to do pve or craft - but you are okay with that for some reason(thought you care about not forcing players to do what they don't like?). Oh but you probably posted just to farm those agrees from cry babies

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Bigotry, Seriously lol if you are saying that about my comments.

Absolutely. Why would you stereotype pvpers and say they won't be interested in housing or whatever else.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Firstly, the whole 'killers' thing isn't really workin' in your favor. I'm just saying. This makes you sound like -psycopaths-. Or the mascot for the iron maiden album.

Off topic, but killers are not more psychopaths than, say, socializers who pay for the game just to chat - can't they talk to to real people IRL?

And pvp players aren't that bad. Seriously, just get some experience before jumping to conclusions. Join a pvp guild maybe to see? If all your experience is going to pvp and getting killed by an enemy - then sure, it's not fun. But there are also allies. Hm, I'm sure a lot of players you chat with in your guilds or zone are pvpers and aren't abusive to you or you even like them and just don't know that they are pvpers.

Other than that, yeah if it's not fun for you then it's not. Can do nothing about it. But honestly, comparing it with pve - pvping with a group is not less fun that doing a dungeon in a group. If everyone is actually committed to play as a team.

I for one did read the actual post, and I dont agree with the cross-pve / pvp stuff in any way. Like pve players (like me) getting forced to get 2 major ability's from pvp because the meta-players demand it in your build. And no, I dont give a damn about agrees, awesomes or whatnot. I just care for constructive discussions that lead to improving the game. But all you seem to do is flame people who dont agree with you.

idk

@Artis

You have merely twisted my words to mean something else. Try getting it right instead of changing someone's message merely so you can have an argument.

My comment you twisted was about hard core PvP players that don't want to PvE. There are some and they also post in the forums. That doesn't by any means state all serious PvP players do not PvE.

Further, those PvP players that also like some PvE have access to more of the areas furnishings are available making much of your argument on the subjects rather moot.

Artis

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Artis

You have merely twisted my words to mean something else. Try getting it right instead of changing someone's message merely so you can have an argument.

My comment you twisted was about hard core PvP players that don't want to PvE. There are some and they also post in the forums. That doesn't by any means state all serious PvP players do not PvE.

Further, those PvP players that also like some PvE have access to more of the areas furnishings are available making much of your argument on the subjects rather moot.

I haven't twisted your words. I literally quoted them.

And why do you bring PvE to this? That's what you said:

For hard core PvP players, what would they do with a house. Make it pretty. No. If they had a house they would use it for dueling. I doubt they would spend time furnishing it.

That's bigotry and stereotypes. Why wouldn't pvp players want to make their house pretty? It's not like people who pvp don't care about aesthetic part.

... Further, those PvE players that also like some PvP would have access to more of the sources of transmog items, thus making much of your argument on the subject of this thread (about transmog) rather moot....

nhisso

That is a horrible idea. You are forcing players to go do IC stuff.

nhisso

code65536 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Or based on some special drop found in the sewers specifically.

Make the item able to be sold on markets, and it won't be "behind a pay wall" or "behind PvP" (not that ZOS doesn't deserve to make some money off of newly developed features).

I really just want IC to become relevant again for more than boss farming zergs, especially the sewers. They're empty. Just an idea.

If you want IC to be relevant again, then you should eliminate PvE objectives and PvE rewards, not add more. IC is filled mostly with people who are there for non-PvP things who are trying to avoid PvP, and a few PvPers who prey on them. It's not fun for either group--those who don't want to PvP see the PvP as a nuisance, and those who do want to PvP don't find good fights--only gank targets or groups that zerg together for self-protection.

The PvP/PvE-hybrid model is why IC failed in the first place.

Uh no. Zeni should make IC in to pvp or pve optional. I hate pvp in mmorpgs. So do many people. Forced pvp is the dumbest thing in a game like this.