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Changing Breton racial passives

SilverWF
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Bretons are mentioned to be magicka class, but they do not have mag regen, nor spell damage boost.
So, what if:

Add Mag regen to Gift of Magnus passive: Increases Max Magicka by 4/7/10% and Magicka regen by 2/4/6%
This change would help to any mag role and class, because in the current meta, mag regen is a king. And 3% cost reduction from last passive is much lower, than boost to regen, that another races have, if calculate it in the real fight conditions.

OR

Add Mag damage boost to Magicka Mastery passive: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 1/2/3% and increases your Magic damage by 1/2/3%
(Note: Magic damage - is a separate type of spell damage, like Fire, Ice etc.)
We already have 2 races focused on the elemental damage - Altmer and Dunmer, that is preferable to use with mag-DD Sorc and DK. But we do not have any race, that can be best for mag-DD Templar and NB. This can fix it.

OR

Passive Spell Resistance turns into Resistant passive: Increases Spell Resistance by 1320 / 2640 / 3960 and Critical Resistance by 250 / 500 / 750
Since Bretons are have some tanky passive and Alliance points gain from 1st passive, why not improve their tankyness in the PVP by adding some natural Critical resistance? This looks pretty organic and will allow Bretons to save some points in the CP and invest it somewhere else.

What do you think?

Previously, there was a thread without poll
Edited by SilverWF on June 26, 2017 2:07AM
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Changing Breton racial passives 188 votes

Yes - for additional Mag regen
19%
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Yes - for Mag damage bonus
26%
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Yes - for Critical resistance
3%
vassilijElhananRajajshkaMinnoHEBREWHAMMERRRHaggian 6 votes
Yes - for something else (would explain in comments)
6%
Jitterbugola.wilhelmssonb16_ESOkojoupieratsosStormWylfAnhedonieAnkael07dro_rasecAsardesSilverIce58CastaLyronKay1Thannazzar 13 votes
Not - I can explain why (in comments)
27%
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Not - I can't explain why, just not
17%
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  • Jitterbug
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    Yes - for something else (would explain in comments)
    I actually like all 3. Good ideas.
  • SilverWF
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    Yes - for Mag damage bonus
    Jitterbug wrote: »
    I actually like all 3. Good ideas.
    I'm afraid, that even if it happens (that I really doubt) Bretons would jump from the bottom to the OP :D
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  • Sheey
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Polls on this forum doesn't matter, even if it needs a change, it won't happen. Simple because this forum isn't a tool for the developers. Developers of Zenimax deciting their decitions by the lore and taking their own experience, as point what needs changed and what doesn't.
  • Avran_Sylt
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Gut combat and defense passives from race choice. Have the race grant small bonuses to resource max/regen/reduction and then take all the combat/defensive/misc. passives and tie them into lifestyle choices that the player can choose.
  • idk
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Polls in the forums are merely entertainment value and offer Zos not useful information about how the game population actually thinks about any given topic. Basically just an exercise with no actual value.

    Bretons have magicka cost reduction rather than regen, max magicka and spell resist which it is good to offer a choice for damage reduction.

    Magicka regen cannot be added to Gift of Magnus, as pointed out in OP's previous thread on the subject, it is a racial passive in at least one other class as max magika ONLY. Further CANNOT combine racial passives to get more passives. That is so OBVIOUS it really should not need to be said.

    Besides the fact it is good to have some classes that have a little bit of damage reduction. Offers more choice rather than merely extremely minor variations of what is already available which is really all this poll is looking at.
    Edited by idk on June 10, 2017 6:43PM
  • Acrolas
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    Not - I can't explain why, just not
    Breton are fine.

    We'll see a nerf to Altmer passives long before any of these ideas are put on the table.
    signing off
  • Axoinus
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    Yes - for Mag damage bonus
    When it comes to balance adjustments, ZOS culture seems to prefer the nerf approach rather than the buff approach. I'm not complaining or being negative, just stating what I've seen.

    With that said, your ideas are valid. But not likely to be considered.

    The crit resistance would not make sense. My understanding is that there is no critical strikes in PvE. So would be worthless there. But they would instantly become the PvP meta. Crit resistance in PvP would be OP.

  • Silver_Strider
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    There are roles outside DPS and in those role, certain races excel over others

    Magic DPS
    Altmer/Dunmer
    Healer
    Breton/Argonian/Altmer
    Magic Tank
    Breton/Argonian/Dunmer

    Why is this so hard to get? Why does everything HAVE to be DPS oriented? Even the suggestion for crit resistance is just a veiled attempt at upping Breton Damage, granted a very poor attempt since crit resistance is Red CP and Damage is Blue CP while Regen is green, so even if you move CP points around, Red tree is mostly defensive with little to do with offense or sustain, outside Unchained and a few other CP bonuses.
    Argonian forever
  • paulsimonps
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Bretons are fine as they are, strong passives all around really.
  • greylox
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    Not - I can't explain why, just not
    As it goes they are one of the better mag races but all races need somewhat of a makeover
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  • DocFrost72
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Putting aside the argument that damage and resources shouldn't come from racials (just my opinion), breton are a potent defensive magicka class and we'll established in lore as being so. The fill a game play and story niche admirably.
  • Brrrofski
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Just go alter or dumner for dps.

    Breton is good for heals and good in PvP (if you want a tankier toon).

    And your third option makes no sense. How would putting less CP in crit resist mean more in damage or recovery? They're separate trees.
    Edited by Brrrofski on June 10, 2017 8:21PM
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  • SilverWF
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    Yes - for Mag damage bonus
    Magicka regen cannot be added to Gift of Magnus, as pointed out in OP's previous thread on the subject, it is a racial passive in at least one other class as max magika ONLY. Further CANNOT combine racial passives to get more passives. That is so OBVIOUS it really should not need to be said.
    Is it hard to get, that I don't care of the name of the passive? let they create another one - it isn't hard at all.
    There are roles outside DPS and in those role, certain races excel over others

    Magic DPS
    Altmer/Dunmer
    Healer
    Breton/Argonian/Altmer
    Magic Tank
    Breton/Argonian/Dunmer

    Why is this so hard to get?

    [snip]

    Best healer is Argonian, not Breton or (just lol here) Altmer. Why not, i.e. Redguard tho?

    Magic tank? WTF is this? Do they exists somewhere outside of your dreams? Anyone of you would be happy to see a "magic tank" in the trials? Or just pledges? Not me, really.
    Normal tanks (like my Nord-DK) have overcapped resists without any of racials passives.

    [Edit for baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_Bill on June 11, 2017 1:10PM
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  • HoloYoitsu
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    Yes - for additional Mag regen
    Breton and Altmer are not "basically equivalent", comparing Breton vs Altmer:
    • Breton cost reduction passive comes out to about an avg of 104 cheaper cost.
    • Breton spell resist comes out to about 6% less dmg taken from spells.
    However
    • Breton cost reduction does not scale well, in fact it gets worse the more sources of cost reduction you stack (light armor/sets/cost reduction enchants). This is because cost reduction as a whole has increasing diminishing returns as you stack more.
    • Altmer 9% mag regen on the other hand, scales better the more you stack. This passive is and always has been stronger than Breton's cost reduction.
    • Breton spell resist only has limited usefulness, as the majority of magicka builds rely on shields.
    • Meanwhile Altmer elemental dmg is useful for all builds.

    The best way to even things out while maintaining the racial flavors would be to give a slight increase to Breton's cost reduction, and/or add something like 4% reduced dmg taken on shields to their spell resist passive (mirroring Altmer's 4% dmg boost).
  • dro_rasec
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    Yes - for something else (would explain in comments)
    Breton is the magicka tank, it needs a Healt bonus
  • idk
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    Breton and Altmer are not "basically equivalent", comparing Breton vs Altmer:
    • Breton cost reduction passive comes out to about an avg of 104 cheaper cost.
    • Breton spell resist comes out to about 6% less dmg taken from spells.
    However
    • Breton cost reduction does not scale well, in fact it gets worse the more sources of cost reduction you stack (light armor/sets/cost reduction enchants). This is because cost reduction as a whole has increasing diminishing returns as you stack more.
    • Altmer 9% mag regen on the other hand, scales better the more you stack. This passive is and always has been stronger than Breton's cost reduction.
    • Breton spell resist only has limited usefulness, as the majority of magicka builds rely on shields.
    • Meanwhile Altmer elemental dmg is useful for all builds.

    The best way to even things out while maintaining the racial flavors would be to give a slight increase to Breton's cost reduction, and/or add something like 4% reduced dmg taken on shields to their spell resist passive (mirroring Altmer's 4% dmg boost).

    The benefit of the High Elf Spell Charge passive was greatly reduced in 2.5.5 (PC patch notes)
    Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

    That issue was the way it worked in the game since day one. It was merely a manner Zos worked to reduce max stats and sustain. Even Zos acknowledges the results are less.

    A Sorc High Elf will not receive full benefit as a result due to having Capacitor passive increasing their magicka regen by 10%. Add in Vampire and the benefits of having all that became notably less after 2.5.5.

    To further add to this, outside of PvP, anyone really interested in their damage is not going to stack regen. It is a DPS loss and weakens the argument that the Spell Charge passive is strong when stacking regen since it is a weaker path to go to begin with (though anyone's prerogative).
    Edited by idk on June 10, 2017 8:56PM
  • The_Red_Viper
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    Fix Argonians first, then complain about buffing perfectly fine races.
  • idk
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Fix Argonians first, then complain about buffing perfectly fine races.

    Argonians Rock. Considered BiS for tanking with good max health and best resource management, especially with the U14 changes.
  • Sheey
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Argonians are in a much better spot as breton lol
  • Rygonix
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    When ZoS does another look over of the racial passives for every race I can possibly see some changes happening. But just one race? I cannot agree with it.
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  • Banana
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    No need for a change
  • Enslaved
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    No. Bretons should not be more powerful in damage output compared to Dunmer or Altmer. Bretons are more defensive based compared to other two main magicka races, and it is good thing. If all races would be more or less the same, there would be no point at all.
  • SilverWF
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    Yes - for Mag damage bonus
    Here is an example of NO valid point:
    Enslaved wrote: »
    No. Bretons should not be more powerful in damage output compared to Dunmer or Altmer. Bretons are more defensive based compared to other two main magicka races, and it is good thing. If all races would be more or less the same, there would be no point at all.
    Adding +3% magic damage would NOT make Bretons more powerful than High or Dark elves. Not even equals to them.
    Also, you are completely ignored +6% mag regen or +1500 crit.res options - probably, this would greatly increase breton's damage output too. :D
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  • Skullstachio
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Bretons Should be left the way they are, also, anyone can be a tank.

    Stamina types can go with the inner beast morph from the undaunted skill line or use puncture & its morphs from the one-hand & shield skill line to taunt enemies & draw their attention away from the healers & DPS players.

    Magicka types on the other hand can do the same thing except with inner fire instead of inner beast & all they need to taunt foes is a heavy attack from a frost staff as well as the respective passive.

    Either way, it is not always about the race, it is about what class you use with that race that determines the outcome on the battlefield.
  • Osteos
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    Yes - for Mag damage bonus
    As I said in the other thread I like the 3% bonus to magicka damage. I personally feel that there should not be a " best in slot" go to race. I think that each should have pro and cons. Right now Altmer is the go to race for magicka dps ( aside from DK) because the Bretons passives are lacking not because it was meant to be that way or Bretons are supposed to be tanky. They merely get relegated to those rolls because the Altmer is the better choice.

    Giving Bretons a bonus to magicka damage would not make them better than Altmer but it would give players more options. Do I want to boost my magicka damage or my elemental damage more? More options is a good thing.

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  • F7sus4
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    Not - I can explain why (in comments)
    Lore.
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