Morrowind: An expansion or just a sugar coated DLC?

Izay

It's in-between, they never called it an expansion from what I can remember too.

Megabear

Its just another DLC

All of my friends compared Morrowind to FF 14 expansion, then bought FF14. We all used to be hardcore players and played together, but have been pretty inactive with MMO. Now that we all started playing MMO, I'm the only playing ESO . Sucks.

Recremen

There's no difference between the two except branding. While they did a great job with this DLC, it was and continues to be off track from the initially-advertised ESO Plus benefits. I hope we start seeing some of those improvements from that thread they made a while ago about shoring up the lost value to ESO Plus.

Drakkdjinn

Its just another DLC

It's a DLC designed to get around the ESO plus subscriber promise. Those of you touting PvP as "Morrowind Content" have been duped: there's nothing about Battlegrounds that makes it related to morrowind in any way, cept that you gotta pay $40 for it.

strebor2095

Its just another DLC

It should have been Vvardenfell + Halls of Fabrication was available for crowns, and for ESO+

Then Warden + BG are both a separate $5 purchase, or you can get the whole lot which has all your little bonuses and stuff for $40

Ruckly

Other?

It is both an expansion and sugar coated dlc.

It is a dlc because it is content you have to download in order to play(unless you can get a boxed edition without having to download in which case it can't be a dlc).

It is an expansion because it expands on the already existing game.

It is a chapter because I'm not really sure what that means. Everything prior is the prologue? Or everything prior is a separate chapter. Or it is the first chapter of the second volume.

ESO Volume 2: <null>; Chapter 1: Morrowind

JWKe

Its just another DLC

DLC. It's marketed as an expansion because Zo$ knew they can tug on the nostalgia heart string, and they were not wrong either. But, then again... I'm sure quite a large % like my self got it because BG's were hidden behind this paywall of an "expansion" oh i mean "chapter" LOL.

This "chapter" should've been as the previous DLC's pay model. ESO+ member get to have unlimited access while their membership is active and non members can buy it with crowns.

alexkdd99

Its just another DLC

A dlc called a chapter/ expansion to rake in more money. Imo this is pretty obvious.

Jimbullbee85

Its just another DLC

Took me 2 hours to do the main questline. Nice scenary and storyline but way too short for an expansion and the enemies were pretty lame

skyhawk002

Its definitely an expansion

While some people look for quantity, the quality of morrowind is very good and after examining story choices, dialogue, environment design and ability to make both PvE and Pvp crowd have new content warrants the price. Orsinium was $30 add class and battleground makes it $40

Drakkdjinn

Its just another DLC

Hmm looks like from Linkedin that the CEO of ZoS got his start working outside of Bethesda, MD as a car salesman at Big Bill's

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4sZuN0xXWLc

Wifeaggro13

Other?

skyhawk002 wrote: »

While some people look for quantity, the quality of morrowind is very good and after examining story choices, dialogue, environment design and ability to make both PvE and Pvp crowd have new content warrants the price. Orsinium was $30 add class and battleground makes it $40

when does dialogue, story,and art direction choices become quality? Honestly those are just what any MMo does as the skelton of their expansion. ZOS charged the MMO community 40$ for a battleground a class and a trial when any other MMO released in the last 15 years gives 3 x that with a 40 dollar expansion. The rest of morrowind was just leveling content with out a level increase.

Mephisto939

Its just another DLC

Maybe it's just me, but I think of a chapter more or less as a stand alone game like the old D & D games. You could import your old characters or create new ones.

nickl413

Other?

New poll:

Is this a new thread or just another morrowind is a DLC thread?

Mephisto939

Its just another DLC

If it was a case of the DLC going deeply over-budget/ZOS being in dire financial need (doubtful) and they explained that, then people would probably be more understanding. Instead, they treated their customers like fools thinking we were too naive comprehend their little semantics trick.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFXV6mf4PFU

Balamoor

Its definitely an expansion

No matter what it contains Millennials will complain that it isn't worth it. I personally think it was a awesome value especially the Physical CE.

JimT722

Its just another DLC

Balamoor wrote: »

No matter what it contains Millennials will complain that it isn't worth it. I personally think it was a awesome value especially the Physical CE.

The talking point of the thread is wether or not it should be considered different from a dlc. Not wether or not it's worth it.

I don't think it has any more value when compared to Wrothgar but I believe it is well worth the money at least to me. This is the content I want ZOS to release because Wrothgar and Morrowind were both well done.

ElricFrancis

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If it was just Morrowind then I'd consider it a DLC, but it's Morrowind, battleground, and a new class.

An expansion is appropriate; although a small one.

It's DLC since Battlegrounds are NOT hard to create unless no one uses a forge type app on the dev team and players pretty much beta tested the warden for them. The Main Morrowind might be a huge map and yes they put effort into it they still should have packed more into the space provided.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Its just another DLC

Thank you to the 67% of people who weren't fooled by this marketing lie and utter subscriber betrayal. Knowing ZOS didn't fool anyone but the apologists helps me sleep at night.

Bouldercleave

Its definitely an expansion

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Thank you to the 67% of people who weren't fooled by this marketing lie and utter subscriber betrayal. Knowing ZOS didn't fool anyone but the apologists helps me sleep at night.

LOL. "utter subscriber betrayal".

Eshelmen

Other?

Bigger than a DLC, smaller than an expansion...
Ladies and Gents, it's called a chapter.

Jollygoodusername

Its just another DLC

Eshelmen wrote: »

Bigger than a DLC, smaller than an expansion...
Ladies and Gents, it's called a chapter.

khele23eb17_ESO

Its just another DLC

Seems like a decent product but its not an expansion and shouldnt be priced as such.

mb10

Hope ZOS have seen this thread lol

Im personally yet to buy the "expansion" and I will contintue to wait until the price falls to a level I believe is of the worth of what's being offered.

Theres no rush for me too.
From what Ive seen on the forums:

• Battlegrounds is broken
• The storyline is way too short
• Large parts of the map arent accessable
• Warden isnt that good at all

From social media, Ive seen ZOS really push the whole "nostalgia" trip thing with Morrowind in hopes the whole memory lane thing will boost sales and it might have even done that but I really do feel like this company does stuff with such little integrity at times.
From the prices they charge, the corners they cut and the things they offer us. Quite sad tbh not sure who makes the decisons but they seem very very out of touch.

Edziu

Its just another DLC

mb10 wrote: »

From social media, Ive seen ZOS really push the whole "nostalgia" trip thing with Morrowind in hopes the whole memory lane thing will boost sales and it might have even done that but I really do feel like this company does stuff with such little integrity at times.

because they are doing it...as I wroted it meny times...then named normal dlc as "expansion" only because of what fame have just "Morrowind" name, thet are doing more money on this dlc name than what they have to offer in this

Patouf

Other?

It is definitely a disillusion.

Betsararie

Its just another DLC

Knootewoot wrote: »

Yes, we do not have the gazzilion dungeons the original games had. No there is no underwater caves, levitation and exploring the vulcano, ashlands

And this is the problem. Since we are many years in the future from when Morrowind came out, this zone should've felt bigger than the entire game of Morrowind. It didn't.

It also needed much more exploration, dungeons, and content in general.

Vvardenfell is my favorite zone, and it is because of that that I wish Morrowind including a lot more content.

Such as, say, I don't know, the ENTIRE area of Morrowind not just Vvardenfell? But they just couldn't manage.

alexkdd99

Its just another DLC

Balamoor wrote: »

No matter what it contains Millennials will complain that it isn't worth it. I personally think it was a awesome value especially the Physical CE.

No matter what people who attempt to blame entire generations always fail to realize who taught/ raised the generation below them. Not to mention you have no way of knowing the age of the people in the thread.

I knew it wasn't worth the 40$I spent on it when I bought it, from playing pts. But if I am going to continue playing the game then it only makes sense for me if I continue buying/ playing any new content that releases. Had they fixed the group finder for battlegrounds when everyone on pts was telling them to I feel as if they wouldn't be receiving as much backlash. It also seems fairly obvious to me that the changing of name from dlc to chapter along with removing it from crown store was done solely to pull more money.

Comparing it to wrothgar which was free for eso+, morrowind isn't much bigger. Definitely not 40$ bigger. Of course this is my opinion on the matter. In the end this "chapter" is a dlc, as dlc means downloadable content. Calling a Coke a cola doesn't mean it is no longer a Coke.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Its just another DLC

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Comparing it to wrothgar which was free for eso+, morrowind isn't much bigger. Definitely not 40$ bigger. Of course this is my opinion on the matter. In the end this "chapter" is a dlc, as dlc means downloadable content. Calling a Coke a cola doesn't mean it is no longer a Coke.

It does if you are a factually challenged apologist because when anyone questions your purchasing decisions it causes uncomfortable cognitive dissonance so you have to plug your ears and go "LALALALA THIS IS EXPANSION!!!1!! MORONWIND IS A MASTERPIECE!"

Also, and its sad to admit, but people are used to game companies being shady, releasing Day 1 DLC, and routinely reducing the amount of value they provide while increasing the price.

The game industry is one of the LEAST regulated industries and it now is a larger industry than film and music. Vegas casinos have their games regulated but video games can participate in unregulated gambling. Other industries have external quality standards imposed on them like ISO but the video games industry can flat out launch beta quality work and get away with it.

Anyone who defends this industry, its poor quality, abysmal customer service, and deceptive marketing strategies, and flat out unethical behavior, must at some fundamental level realize how low the bar is.

Pick any other service or entertainment you pay for and ask yourselves if you would ever tolerate this level of quality and business ethics.

So why do you tolerate it for video games?

VincentBlanquin

Its just another DLC

DLC

Vvardenfell is obviously unfinished,

battlegrounds which should be for free under current conditions to stay alive long term

new class is special, but it should be easily crown store purchase

marketing team has a lot to think about ......