Morrowind: An expansion or just a sugar coated DLC?

Banana

Other?

I don't care what they call it. New content is new content.

Faulgor

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

But not enough to bother making the large island at the top of the map accessible. 'We didn't have the resources to do that' (roughly what they said on eso live).

When did they talk about Sheogorad region on ESO live? I asked in the twitch chat about it, but don't remember getting an answer ...

MaddPowered

Its just another DLC

Sure the zone is big. But sheograd is blocked off, the majourity of areas are unexplorable. Like all the dwemer ruins. It is a good zone but it is just so empty

idk

Its definitely an expansion

Without question Morrowind brings more into the game than any DLC has. Zone at least comparable to Wrothgar, BGs, Trial and a new class. Granted, players can focus merely on one specific area if they want and complain it does not measure up but that ignores the entire picture, their choice.

Edziu

Its just another DLC

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Without question Morrowind brings more into the game than any DLC has. Zone at least comparable to Wrothgar, BGs, Trial and a new class. Granted, players can focus merely on one specific area if they want and complain it does not measure up but that ignores the entire picture, their choice.

It actually has less content than Orsinium.

Orsinium:
40+ quests
6 delves
6 world bosses
2 public dungeons
1 trial (solo)

Morrowind:
32+ quests
6 delves
6 world bosses
2 public dungeons
1 trial (group)
*half the buildings in the zone are locked

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4156989/#Comment_4156989

timidobserver

If It were a DLC you wouldn't have gotten battlegrounds, a trial, a class, and a large quest area in one pack. They would have all been separate 2-3 separate DLC.

leepalmer95

Its just another DLC

A zone slightly bigger than wrothgar.

A class thats not even new as warden was in the alpha of eso, they made have done up the animations and changed a few skills but it's not a completely new class.

Battlegrounds which they've been working on for years they showed it off once, years of work and they can't even get the queuing right.

Not an expansion just a very pricey dlc which eso+ members don't get access too and people are forced to buy characters slots if they've played the game a lot.

boggo

Its definitely an expansion

Moon sugar coated!

FearlessOne_2014

Its definitely an expansion

New class and whole new game mode. I don't even need to say more after those two points. However haters going to hate. They know of nothing else but to complain and hate. Just like those Sorcerer and Nightblade haters.

itscompton

timidobserver wrote: »

If It were a DLC you wouldn't have gotten battlegrounds, a trial, a class, and a large quest area in one pack. They would have all been separate 2-3 separate DLC.

Uggghhh adding a new class and PvP mode behind a paywall and releasing them at the same time as a new zone does not make a DLC an expansion, it makes it a money grab.

MythicEmperor

Its definitely an expansion

This isn't just another DLC. While it has its (many, many) flaws, it is still better than anything else we have in ESO (in my humble opinion). We have a new tacked on class (that doesn't fit the Vvardenfell theme very well), but it is a new class nonetheless. We have tacked on battlegrounds which feel isolated from the rest of Vvardenfell, but they are battlegrounds nonetheless. We have much more land to explore (even if a lot of it is empty or inaccessible). We have much more interesting quests (which feel quite linear and sometimes insult your intelligence). We have much more interesting NPCs (again, imho).

We have fungal Telvanni towers, and while they look like puke, they are Telvanni towers nonetheless. We have Balmora, and while most of the buildings are inaccessible, it is still iconic. We have Vivec, which is unnecessarily under construction (likely due to laziness), but it is still Vivec. In conclusion, while most additions are tacked on and some areas are incomplete (*cough Sheogorad cough*) it is still fun overall. It is likely the most fun I've had in ESO, truthfully, even if this comment is a bit backhanded.

Radinyn

Its definitely an expansion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLscq_KDdnU

bicho117

Other?

I'd say its somewhere in between, thats why they have used this new word, "chapter" altough little has it helped them since people still throw around the term expansion.

It's not a DLC because it adds a new class and the BGs on top of the questing content you would get from a DLC.

It's not an expansion since it does not add as much group content as a fully fledged expansion would, but keep in mind this content is meant to keep us entertained until the next update drops in 3 months, not for a total of 2 years like an expansion in other MMOs is intented to do, so it is to be expected that this would be smaller.

I dont really get the complaints about the pricetag, you can get it cheaper in official resellers, and you dont have to pay a sub or anything like that, the last time you were forced to pay for new content was in shadows of the hist and that was almost a year ago, is 35$ really that much?

Sorry of bad london

slumber_sandb16_ESO

Its definitely an expansion

I'd consider Orsinium an expansion too. Imo any content that adds this kind of large landmass with that much content is an expansion. I consider thieves guild and dark brotherhood to be DLC's.

HerrPulaRau

Its definitely an expansion

Expansion IMO... a bit expensive but so far I loved the quests (I am a bit confused about Seyda Neen but that's another thread).

So far I made Vivec quests, Sun-in-Shadow quests and a couple of minor ones. All together took about 10h (and from the map looks like there are at least 20h more... hope I won't be disappointed) - but I have to mention I'm "completionist"... I read all, listen to all, etc. so I progress a bit slower through content.

Quests and feel actually reminded me of Morrowind, although the atmosphere is less dark and that makes it a bit harder to immerse. Still... Telvanni betrayals and schemes, Vivec city layout and overall style bring back some memories.

I think this alone qualifies it as an expansion.

Notice I don't talk about the new race, new trial (and dungeons - ar there any? - didn't find them so far) and new pvp because I didn't try them. So I hope I sink at least 30-40 more hours in that.

So... over 50h of play (estimate, didn't get through all)... expansion - a bit overpriced maybe but I've seen worse - (normal play not rush through - I see posts already saying that some guys finished everything... well... maybe you can finish everything in 10-20h... but that mean you didn't enjoy any of them and just skipped everything... if you did that imo you are playing the wrong game but hey... your money).

Note: I would've tried the new pvp mode but the freaking gf always gets stuck on "forming group" part (tried at least a dozen times). This really made me sad since I was so enthusiast about it (but again the official release date is 6 june so... I don't really mind yet).

ArchMikem

Its definitely an expansion

I don't even need to play it to know it's much more than another Orsinium.

One more week till Console release..

timidobserver

itscompton wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

If It were a DLC you wouldn't have gotten battlegrounds, a trial, a class, and a large quest area in one pack. They would have all been separate 2-3 separate DLC.

Uggghhh adding a new class and PvP mode behind a paywall and releasing them at the same time as a new zone does not make a DLC an expansion, it makes it a money grab.

Regardless, Morrowind has more in it than a typical ESO DLC which is my only point in this thread. If it were DLC, they would have definitely come in 2-3 DLCs over 6-9 months.

Moneygrabs can be expected from any MMO. However, compared to a lot of the competition, ZOS is pretty ethical about it(I spent a few days playing Neverwinter recently.).

The only thing I'll agree on is that they definitely need to remove the paywall from battlegrounds. Queues are probably going to dry up quickly(whenever they start actually working.)

Floki_Vilgerdarson

I have not played Morrowind so I don't know. I am excite to try.

JD2013

Its just another DLC

ES III Vvardenfell map.

Can we get a Map of ESO Vvardenfell with everything filled in to compare?

And how many of the locations in ESO Vvardenfell are just points of interest with nothing to do there, how many of the ruins are inaccessible, Sheogorad inaccessible etc?

Sadly ESO Morrowind is just a pale imitation of Vvardenfell.

I certainly never expected a map with 200 plus hours of content like ES III but 30 hours is a paltry amount of content to sell at full box price.

It's a DLC. And a half empty one at that.

DeadlyPhoenix

Dragonking06 wrote: »

Definitely an expansion. There's a lot to find and discover, the ancestral tombs, the books, tomb rubbings and a *** ton more quests than we got in Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood, possibly even when combined. (Which are really, really awesome and you can tell a lot of love and hard work went into them.) I can probably agree with people saying it's a bit on the small side for an expansion, but considering we got a brand new class and Battlegrounds, along with the fact that this is the games first official expansion, you have to give them a little bit of leeway in that department. For what we have got though it is very impressive and I don't regret my pre-order.

If you love exploration, taking the time to listen to NPC dialog and really getting involved with the story of the area, you will enjoy Morrowind, for anyone still on the fence about buying it.

Why give them any leeway? Doing so only gives them the sense they can do it again and get away with it.... Before this would have been a DLC, now being called an "expansion" or "chapter." What is irritating is the fact that now we will be force fed a new "expansion" every year when it should really be a DLC.

All it is is another way for them to grab money from our pockets. Since people like myself who sub, don't need to buy the DLC to play it, this is the only way to get subbers to pay extra.... But but but, subbers will always get full access to all content right!?!?!?!

Go back on your word with one thing, you will continue to lie through your teeth knowing people still don't believe your crap.

JimT722

Its just another DLC

If this is an expansion, then so was wrothgar. Let's be honest, this is a "chapter" to separate it from its in game currency. Every purchase is money actually being spent now. I am fine with that but I can understand why some might not be.

Wifeaggro13

Other?

mb10 wrote: »

Hi all,

For those who know or have it: Honestly, is Morrowind an expansion or just another DLC made fancy?

It was a dlc dressed as a wallet thief.GG Zos another cow milked

LiquidPony

Its definitely an expansion

Feanor wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Considering we're getting a class and a new PvP festure for those interested in it... I'd definitely consider it an expansion. If Orsinium would have been released with similiar features, it would be considered an expansion as well and people wouldn't rage nearly as much as they do now.

The difference between Orsinium and Morrowind is the Warden. Orsinium had vMA when Morrowind has BG. I don't think the addition of the Warden really makes this an expansion. It depends on what people think what a chapter or expansion really is. To me a chapter or expansion could very well be its own game. Which Morrowind clearly could not. But that's just me.

Don't agree with that comparison at all.

Orsinium had Maelstrom Arena and Morrowind has the Halls of Fabrication.

The Warden and Battlegrounds don't have Orsinium analogues.

itsfatbass

Its just another DLC

Bouldercleave wrote: »

A TON of work went in to this. You can tell as soon as you play it.

So much work they must have intentionally left NPCs with one-arm.

EvilKiwi

Its just another DLC

I have been enjoying Morrowind until the main story. It is badly lacking content. It is far to short and a major disappointment. Thieve's guild and Dark brotherhood main story was longer. The over all zone is large but also lacking. Locked doors every where, no where near enough crafting nodes to harvest. I regret buying it so soon. But that being said, I'm sure ZOS will improve it over the coming months (I hope).

agegarton

Its just another DLC

I'm enjoying it, I'm enjoying the Warden, and I love a decent bit of new content, but let's be honest:-

1. It doesn't appear to be significantly more than Orsinium, which was classed as a DLC.
2. If it's an "expansion", why am I paying the price of the entire game all over again? I paid once, then I paid for my subscription, now I have to pay all over again.
3. If it's an expansion, why didn't I get some new character slots thrown in. Yep, I had to buy those as well.


I don't mind paying for new stuff. I get these guys are out to make a profit and I think that's fair. I wouldn't have minded the price of Morrowind if it had come with two character slots that I didn't have to pay for separately. I do object, though, to being fleeced.

Vrienda

Its just another DLC

It's basically the same as Orsinium. That said I'm happy with my purchase due to all the pre-order and collectors edition stuff I got, making up for the lack of expansiony-ness..

esotoon

Other?

It's not an expansion, but it's more than a normal DLC.

It's more like about 4 ESO DLCs rolled into one.

20 hours game play + Gear + Bosses + Dungeons = Orsinium
10 hours game play + Trial = Thieves Guild
Battlegrounds = IC
New Class = 4th DLC


Sounds great unless you're a subscriber and realise exactly where your missing 4 DLCs have gone.

grizzledcroc

Guess people are starting to find out . Content is amazing but there needed to be more.

grizzledcroc

Faulgor wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

But not enough to bother making the large island at the top of the map accessible. 'We didn't have the resources to do that' (roughly what they said on eso live).

When did they talk about Sheogorad region on ESO live? I asked in the twitch chat about it, but don't remember getting an answer ...

I actually was the one who spammed the hell out of the question till the zone lead answered it was the eso live before the newest one.