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Early Acess
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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
What a great excuse using platform against a player. No one should have early access!! you're spoiling the game and alienating 2/3 of your player base0 -
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Why only PC players? Why is this information hidden? You said 20 times Morrowind was coming on June 6 for EVERYONE, another lie? Whao.
I mean technically that isn't even a lie if that was what was said by ZoS. Everyone will have access on the 6th! Everyone can also mean everyone who doesn't have it already!“Whatever.”
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
Especially considering that I know MS specifically changed their policies about certifications to make their game store more friendly to independent developers and try to get some of the indy business that Sony has been famous for... which means Sony doesn't have that much of a cert process either. They did this so that developers could easily patch their games almost whenever they wanted (a huge complaint developers used to have against MS, but no longer?)
The cert process, I am sure, is still an extra effort, but not so much that ZOS couldn't navigate it and all. I understand the console lagging behind PC on normal stuff... however, this isn't a 'normal' thing. This is MAJOR deal, the first actual expansion to the game, and one that needs to be purchased, not just sub and we have it. They should have REALLY put extra effort into making sure that ALL players were treated the same this time. PC gets IC early, ok... PC gets Wrothgar early, eh, I guess... those are minor things, but, *shrug* ok... we didn't have to purchase them, and, overall, small additions to the game.
This time, it is a MAJOR addition. A new class, huge amounts of extra places, battlegrounds, etc. Add in that it is a purchase only addition... add in that it is FREAKING MORROWIND! They KNOW players are going to be hyped for this, that the excitement will be pretty friggin HUGE! Then, they decide to blatantly show they don't care about how console players got treated, even though they had to pay the same price for the expansion?
No. They need to think about things before they do them, and it is obvious they have the same forethought and consideration of others as the typical 4 year old who just got a big bag of sweets.
Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
You can't be serious, right? They took 2 full months to even implement a change that WOULD ONLY LOG ISSUES and have yet to fix trials that have been broken 3 MONTHS. The fact that you even suggest ZOS puts as much effort into console as PC is either blatant ignorance or stupidity.
I dont doubt they are incompetent at coding and bug fixing. I just dont think its for lack of caring.
Current and previous decisions suggest they don't care or that's it's a lack of focus and planning.
Decisions are made with thought so @t3hdubzy some interpret it as not caring because it's often, consistent and frequent
I can understand how some might get to that conclusion but logic tells me its not that. They might be disconnected from the community, poor at messaging, and bad at listening, but I just dont see the core game people at the company not caring. For all we know someone at zos pushed for this early access and fought for it, despite opposition, and got it pushed threw. And now theres a bunch of people spitting in their face.
I think people forget that we are hugely disconnected from the decision makers at ZOS, and theres really no way for us to decide based on fact, if they care or not.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
Especially considering that I know MS specifically changed their policies about certifications to make their game store more friendly to independent developers and try to get some of the indy business that Sony has been famous for... which means Sony doesn't have that much of a cert process either. They did this so that developers could easily patch their games almost whenever they wanted (a huge complaint developers used to have against MS, but no longer?)
The cert process, I am sure, is still an extra effort, but not so much that ZOS couldn't navigate it and all. I understand the console lagging behind PC on normal stuff... however, this isn't a 'normal' thing. This is MAJOR deal, the first actual expansion to the game, and one that needs to be purchased, not just sub and we have it. They should have REALLY put extra effort into making sure that ALL players were treated the same this time. PC gets IC early, ok... PC gets Wrothgar early, eh, I guess... those are minor things, but, *shrug* ok... we didn't have to purchase them, and, overall, small additions to the game.
This time, it is a MAJOR addition. A new class, huge amounts of extra places, battlegrounds, etc. Add in that it is a purchase only addition... add in that it is FREAKING MORROWIND! They KNOW players are going to be hyped for this, that the excitement will be pretty friggin HUGE! Then, they decide to blatantly show they don't care about how console players got treated, even though they had to pay the same price for the expansion?
No. They need to think about things before they do them, and it is obvious they have the same forethought and consideration of others as the typical 4 year old who just got a big bag of sweets.
Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
You can't be serious, right? They took 2 full months to even implement a change that WOULD ONLY LOG ISSUES and have yet to fix trials that have been broken 3 MONTHS. The fact that you even suggest ZOS puts as much effort into console as PC is either blatant ignorance or stupidity.
I dont doubt they are incompetent at coding and bug fixing. I just dont think its for lack of caring.
Current and previous decisions suggest they don't care or that's it's a lack of focus and planning.
Decisions are made with thought so @t3hdubzy some interpret it as not caring because it's often, consistent and frequent
I can understand how some might get to that conclusion but logic tells me its not that. They might be disconnected from the community, poor at messaging, and bad at listening, but I just dont see the core game people at the company not caring. For all we know someone at zos pushed for this early access and fought for it, despite opposition, and got it pushed threw. And now theres a bunch of people spitting in their face.
I think people forget that we are hugely disconnected from the decision makers at ZOS, and theres really no way for us to decide based on fact, if they care or not.
@t3hdubzy
My thoughts were expressed here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343285/open-letter-to-all-decision-makers-for-eso-not-necessarily-the-dev-team#latest
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✭✭✭✭✭Not sure why they're allowing early access, knowing that a bunch of people will get upset.
But I've played games before where PC and console versions had different release dates, so it isn't a surprise. It's just how it is sometimes with games.
I'm on PC, so yay me.
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✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
THEN HOW ABOUT YOU DONT DO IT AT ALL!
I guess Console players are just going to have to avoid the forums, the ESO subreddit and probably other social media platforms for 3 weeks. The hell with your biggest demographic.
[Edit to remove unneeded bashing]Edited by [Deleted User] on May 10, 2017 7:10PMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax3 -
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✭✭✭✭PC shouldn't get preferential treatment, so delay early access from PC for the sake of consoles.
See why people are laughing at the argument now?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »PC shouldn't get preferential treatment, so delay early access from PC for the sake of consoles.
See why people are laughing at the argument now?
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Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
THEN HOW ABOUT YOU DONT DO IT AT ALL!
I guess Console players are just going to have to avoid the forums, the ESO subreddit and probably other social media platforms for 3 weeks. The hell with your biggest demographic.
If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOSEdited by [Deleted User] on May 10, 2017 7:12PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
So, you think they did this on purpose?
Why?
Because they thought it was funny?
Because they want to mess with you?
Is it a conspiracy?
Do you think Microsoft is in on it?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Valkysas154 wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
THEN HOW ABOUT YOU DONT DO IT AT ALL!
Jesus. You people seem to have your heads up your ***** at every turn when it comes to this "chapter".
I guess Console players are just going to have to avoid the forums, the ESO subreddit and probably other social media platforms for 3 weeks. The hell with your biggest demographic.
If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOS
@Valkysas154
ZeniMax hasn't communicated that as result of their update being declined by PlayStation and Xbox certification, only PC/Mac would have early access. They are actually communicating and have even confirmed they have not sent in the update for certification so they didn't want to wait and have instead decided to only update PC and will submit for consoles lending a response but the target update is not for May 22nd.
That's why people are upset and also why it's inaccurate to suggest anyone blame Xbox or PlayStation. Xbox and PlayStation aren't developing this game, ZeniMax is and technically the certification is to make sure it complies with the system and network, not that it's bug free so this is not a console issue it's a developer poor decision......againEdited by NewBlacksmurf on May 10, 2017 7:11PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »PC shouldn't get preferential treatment, so delay early access from PC for the sake of consoles.
See why people are laughing at the argument now?
Would it be delaying early access or not giving preferential treatment to one platform after announcing that release dates would be the same across platforms?Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »PC shouldn't get preferential treatment, so delay early access from PC for the sake of consoles.
See why people are laughing at the argument now?
Yet when the game released they said it was going to be PC platform only and a year later consoles came in they didn't have to go console if they didn't want to0 -
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✭It sucks that console preorders don't get early access but you guys aren't losing anything. You preordered expecting it to come out on June 6th and it is still coming out on June 6th.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault2 -
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✭✭✭✭Valkysas154 wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
THEN HOW ABOUT YOU DONT DO IT AT ALL!
I guess Console players are just going to have to avoid the forums, the ESO subreddit and probably other social media platforms for 3 weeks. The hell with your biggest demographic.
If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOS
MS/Sony didnt decide to do an early access for a subsection of a games demographic. ZOS did. I think my anger is pointed in the right direction. This company has done everything it could to make this release a very painful one for the existing community. And this is just another idiotic decision to throw on the growing heap.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
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✭✭So I found the website, logged in on the support-site, selected "early acces morrowind" and now the *** begins. I have to print the freaking pre-order invoice, write my screen-name on it, scan it and then attach it to the request. Like I have a printer and scanner standing here. I give it to you ZoS. I can understand all the changes, the messing up with ESO+, but this is a step to far! You got lucky that I want that freaking Dwemer Statue on my desk, otherwise I would tell you where to shove that early acces of yours!
Use your phone and take pics.
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Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Valkysas154 wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
THEN HOW ABOUT YOU DONT DO IT AT ALL!
Jesus. You people seem to have your heads up your ***** at every turn when it comes to this "chapter".
I guess Console players are just going to have to avoid the forums, the ESO subreddit and probably other social media platforms for 3 weeks. The hell with your biggest demographic.
If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOS
@Valkysas154
ZeniMax hasn't communicated that as result of their update being declined by PlayStation and Xbox certification, only PC/Mac would have early access. They are actually communicating and have even confirmed they have not sent in the update for certification so they didn't want to wait and have instead decided to only update PC and will submit for consoles lending a response but the target update is not for May 22nd.
That's why people are upset and also why it's inaccurate to suggest anyone blame Xbox or PlayStation. Xbox and PlayStation aren't developing this game, ZeniMax is and technically the certification is to make sure it complies with the system and network, not that it's bug free so this is not a console issue it's a developer poor decision......again
But you would be a update or 2 behind that means allot .. Like broken quests no voice acting so so basically not worthy of live
There would be a huge complaint thread for consoles if they did that
Any game that is on multi platforms and pc . pc will always get the update since they don't need MS/Sony console ppl should get use to this it's the price you pay to know 100% that your specs can play it just fine
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Sargentwilko51✭✭✭Everyone just needs to calm down...
My bet... this is a response to a surprising number of cancellations for the 'chapter' and a sudden decline in ESO plus memberships...
Not to mention the way the player base has gone after several different media postings roasting the company for the direction the game has turned..
Again, so glad that this is NOT happening on console as the game is broken once this base game patch landsEdited by Sargentwilko51 on May 10, 2017 7:26PM3 -
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✭✭✭Just another reason not to start up my two subscriptions again.
I have no issue with waiting - it's out of their control as it's been said. My issue is their lack of empathy for how we as console players feel when we are left out of everything.
Yes I chose the inferior platform but I can't choose how it makes me feel when things like this happen.0 -
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✭✭DemonNinja wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
I find it hilarious that this is the reason... FFXIV seems to be able to patch both PC/Console simultaneously with zero problems.... one might say they are professionals. (To be fair it's only 1 console PS3/4 but regardless they do it.)
They probably just hold back the pc patch a few extra weeks. I am glad Zos doesn't do this...
They update every three months on schedule.
Testing is done two weeks before patch.0 -
Avalon✭✭✭✭✭This of all the issues to me is a non issues and it certainly shows us who is a part of the entitled crew.
Oh boy... another person who doesn't understand the definition of 'entitled'... When a person pays for something, they ARE entitled to it. When someone doesn't, they are NOT entitled to it. I paid for the exact same package as a PC player did, and a month afterwards, ZOS adds value to the PC package. No matter what metaphor or other situation you put that in, it is morally, ethically, wrong, and even against the law. Those practices were put in our law books to prevent preferential treatment unless under very specific circumstances. Those circumstances do not apply here. We all paid for the same package, if they choose to add value to any specific package, then they MUST add that same value to ALL packages. Like I said, it applies to every possible scenario... at the most simple, imagine someone at a market, they buy a pound of apples for $2. As they are walking away, someone else buys a pound of apples for $2, but the guy gives them a pound of sugar with them, FREE! Why didn't the first get the same deal? No reason. The vendor tells them, because they have blonde hair, the other had brown. We have laws to prevent that sort of behavior, and ZOS has a responsibility to follow those laws. I would much prefer that they just do the right thing, because they are good people, etc... but, if not, then that is why we have those laws, because we cannot expect businesses to always be ethical, so we have to FORCE them to do what is right and fair as best as we can.Valkysas154 wrote: »If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOS
Guess you need to research more then, it isn't MS or Sony that is at fault. Both allow patches the next day, and almost, if not completely, free of charge. Sony always operated this way, and that is why Sony has a ton of independent developer support and games. MS had a huge hassle on 360, which pushed them to Sony. They saw that, and changed it so that when the Xbox One came out, the policy was almost identical to Sony's. There are no more huge hoops to jump through, as soon as they have the patch ready for Xbox and PS, it would be in the next day if they wanted it to be. The problem is, it has to be coded correctly for each system, sent to MS/Sony to approve, etc. They do not have to do THAT on PC. But, the difference is a matter of 24 hours assuming they had people coding the expansion for all 3 at the same time.
They do not. That is ZOS' fault, not MS, not Sony. It isn't as if ZOS isn't making money hand over fist from the crown store, so, they CAN hire people to do everything they need to in order to be fair to all platforms, they choose not to, because that would cost money. That is about the only reason I can think of, as to why they consistently do this, when NO other games do it.
Just as an example, notice that Mass Effect Andromeda's patches are hitting all platforms at the same time? Or, even better... notice that the Morrowind prologue thing was on console within 24 hours of it being on PC? Amazing how that can happen when they want it to... and, no, size means nothing. If properly planned out, the same could be done on Morrowind. Consoles could have it the same day, or within 24 hours.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Valkysas154 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Valkysas154 wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
THEN HOW ABOUT YOU DONT DO IT AT ALL!
Jesus. You people seem to have your heads up your ***** at every turn when it comes to this "chapter".
I guess Console players are just going to have to avoid the forums, the ESO subreddit and probably other social media platforms for 3 weeks. The hell with your biggest demographic.
If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOS
@Valkysas154
ZeniMax hasn't communicated that as result of their update being declined by PlayStation and Xbox certification, only PC/Mac would have early access. They are actually communicating and have even confirmed they have not sent in the update for certification so they didn't want to wait and have instead decided to only update PC and will submit for consoles lending a response but the target update is not for May 22nd.
That's why people are upset and also why it's inaccurate to suggest anyone blame Xbox or PlayStation. Xbox and PlayStation aren't developing this game, ZeniMax is and technically the certification is to make sure it complies with the system and network, not that it's bug free so this is not a console issue it's a developer poor decision......again
But you would be a update or 2 behind that means allot .. Like broken quests no voice acting so so basically not worthy of live
There would be a huge complaint thread for consoles if they did that
Any game that is on multi platforms and pc . pc will always get the update since they don't need MS/Sony console ppl should get use to this it's the price you pay to know 100% that your specs can play it just fine
@Valkysas154
What are you talking about....we are discussing ZeniMax s decission to separate the updates
Everything else you comment doesn't apply as it seems you don't understand the context of this discussion.
ZOS decides when to release content as well as when to submit updates to consoles, not the other way as Sony and Xbox are doing any development for them. The console teams are only reviewing and green lighting updates that comply, ZOS has done over 100 updates so none of this is new to ZOS.
It's a decision for the developers of when to release and how to release, that's the topic and context and some of would like to discuss the decision making and recent changes to originally communicated expectations.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on May 10, 2017 7:35PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Number_51✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
lol, wrong. A patch has to first be completed (as in final changes) which the final patch will land May 22 then submitted for approval. Next it has to go through technical certification to ensure it won't brick the console after being approved. It then of course takes time for them to distribute the patch to the various console servers to be delivered to consoles. So for a patch to release May 22 it has to be submitted roughly 1 week in advance. 3.0 won't be done 1 week before May 22 as it'd be 1 patch behind. In short to do an early access they'd have to push launch to June 13th with early access starting June 6th, which is just stupid for the sake of satisfying console whiners.
As a console player I don't really care either way. Your post is absolutely correct, but the point some are trying to make is that if ZOS had planned accordingly, they could have told everyone that the release date was June 13th, and then given everyone an early release of June 6th (just using your dates as an example).
To use the current ZOS dates with the announced release date of June 6th they should have planned to have the final patch ready May 15th, green-lighted by MS and Sony by the 22nd, and given everyone an early release. Maybe that means they needed to open PTS earlier, adjust the timetable, whatever... but with planning and the slightest bit of care, no one would be made to felt like a second class citizen because of their platform of choice.
But... as I may have mentioned... I personally don't really care either way.1 -
Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭This of all the issues to me is a non issues and it certainly shows us who is a part of the entitled crew.
Oh boy... another person who doesn't understand the definition of 'entitled'... When a person pays for something, they ARE entitled to it. When someone doesn't, they are NOT entitled to it. I paid for the exact same package as a PC player did, and a month afterwards, ZOS adds value to the PC package. No matter what metaphor or other situation you put that in, it is morally, ethically, wrong, and even against the law. Those practices were put in our law books to prevent preferential treatment unless under very specific circumstances. Those circumstances do not apply here. We all paid for the same package, if they choose to add value to any specific package, then they MUST add that same value to ALL packages. Like I said, it applies to every possible scenario... at the most simple, imagine someone at a market, they buy a pound of apples for $2. As they are walking away, someone else buys a pound of apples for $2, but the guy gives them a pound of sugar with them, FREE! Why didn't the first get the same deal? No reason. The vendor tells them, because they have blonde hair, the other had brown. We have laws to prevent that sort of behavior, and ZOS has a responsibility to follow those laws. I would much prefer that they just do the right thing, because they are good people, etc... but, if not, then that is why we have those laws, because we cannot expect businesses to always be ethical, so we have to FORCE them to do what is right and fair as best as we can.Valkysas154 wrote: »If you want to get all mad at some one get mad at MS/Sony its there fault not ZOS
Guess you need to research more then, it isn't MS or Sony that is at fault. Both allow patches the next day, and almost, if not completely, free of charge. Sony always operated this way, and that is why Sony has a ton of independent developer support and games. MS had a huge hassle on 360, which pushed them to Sony. They saw that, and changed it so that when the Xbox One came out, the policy was almost identical to Sony's. There are no more huge hoops to jump through, as soon as they have the patch ready for Xbox and PS, it would be in the next day if they wanted it to be. The problem is, it has to be coded correctly for each system, sent to MS/Sony to approve, etc. They do not have to do THAT on PC. But, the difference is a matter of 24 hours assuming they had people coding the expansion for all 3 at the same time.
They do not. That is ZOS' fault, not MS, not Sony. It isn't as if ZOS isn't making money hand over fist from the crown store, so, they CAN hire people to do everything they need to in order to be fair to all platforms, they choose not to, because that would cost money. That is about the only reason I can think of, as to why they consistently do this, when NO other games do it.
Just as an example, notice that Mass Effect Andromeda's patches are hitting all platforms at the same time? Or, even better... notice that the Morrowind prologue thing was on console within 24 hours of it being on PC? Amazing how that can happen when they want it to... and, no, size means nothing. If properly planned out, the same could be done on Morrowind. Consoles could have it the same day, or within 24 hours.
Wrong there is allot of factors into that . Time of the year for 1 -they have to test other games to- and it takes 5-7 days normally to test a patch and this is not just a patch its a chapter and its not even done with the updates to pts yet -prob failt testing-
you basically asking for a beta version for live since again you would be a few patches behind so yea and as for games like mass effect well there is no rule saying a pc developers has to release it at the same time they prob held off on pc since ME is more of a console game0 -
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✭A forum member posted a question on the first page of this thread...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
As a console player, I am disappointed in regards to the news that the PC community will have the opportunity to play Morrowind two weeks early.
Frankly, I do want to hear the PR response given. You should quit saying that “your hands on tied on the matter” No they are not. You did not HAVE to release the game two weeks early. You chose to do so. You knew of these rules set forth from Microsoft/Sony and still chose to award PC players access to the expansion/chapter/whatever and you chose to leave console players out in the cold.
Is this the end of the world? No, it is not. I am not going to quit. I am not going to cancel my sub, my pre-order, or hold a funeral for my fictional character. However, I am not off base by saying that since day one the company has treated the console game like a second class citizen. You released the game an entire YEAR on PC before releasing it on console. You have waited more than a year to implement simple add on tools such as damage meters and almost two years to release buff trackers. Every single DLC that is released is given to PC players two weeks before console and now you are giving PC players the game two weeks early.
Console players make up 2/3s of the player community from the last numbers given by the dataminers. I don’t blame PC players for taking advantage of the preferential treatment. I just can’t figure out why a game that loves to tout about being ‘the best MMO on console’ seemingly treats them like annoying step children.
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Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
And when will console players get access? We paid just as much as the PC people did.
The problem is there is more BS like third party approvals (and possibly related costs) from Microsoft oR Sony ZOS has to go through for Console releases. It really isn't fair to PC players to hold the content hostage until the console processes are completed.
I get that, but, that just about guarantees that all info and firsts for any expansion will be long done by the time the console players get it. Sorry, but when you are in charge of an MMO, these are real things you need to deal with, and be responsible for. It might suck for the PC players, but, I would ask, how many console players do they have compared to PC players? If they have more console players, it might not be fair to PC, but, they should hold it back until ALL pre-orders are treated to the same benefits, or they should reduce the costs of purchase for console players as they do not get the same benefits, or they should increase and offer a PC-Only "Early Access" pre-order that costs more than normal for that benefit.
But, in no way should any company ever treat their player base differently over things they do not have control over (like MS or Sony being PITA's).
Wait...so you are arguing for PC players to be treated differently while saying "in no way should any company ever treat their player base differently"? Way to be a hypocrite, lol.
PC was the first platform ESO released on three years ago. Some players, like me for instance, have been here from the beginning and have had to play a game designed with consoles in mind right from the start (e. g., 5 skills per bar). We have stuck with the game through all its up, downs and swings in gear, stats, leveling, etc. Some have played the original closed beta in 2013. PC players have been the guinea pigs for the game from the beginning. But somehow we are supposed to be screwed with by ZOS because some console players don't understand that contracts between companies require certain conditions to be met before something like a certification can be issued. Way to act like an adult, there, buddy.Edited by Wolfenbelle on May 10, 2017 7:56PM3
