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Early Acess
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ANGEL_BtVS✭✭✭✭*grizzledcroc wrote: »I have never seen so many cry babies and stupid people ever before reading this thread
Agreed. Over a video game...
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Never seen so many grown people cry.
Ah, so you would be fine buying a brand new car, that you see others getting 40 mpg, top-speed of 200, etc, and you only get 20 mpg, top speed of 40? Or would you be upset and voicing complaints that you paid the same amount, why don't you get the same quality and benefits? I am guessing you are just being a troll, because of your comment, and if I see it continue, I'll enjoy reporting you for doing that. These people, and myself, are not crying over ridiculous BS, but expecting the same results for the same price. If ZOS wants to give more benefits to PC (no matter the reason) they have an obligation to charge more on PC for those benefits, and less on console because we do not get the same as the PC players get. This is ESPECIALLY true since they are altering the deal AFTER people have already made purchases.
Businesses are NOT allowed to require the same prices for a product, then after people have made purchases, change the product so that some customers get more than they purchased. That is actually a LEGAL issue, and ZOS needs to fix it, because people could actually seek action for it. I don't know if any will, but, it CAN be done. Purchases have already been made, at this point, all customers must be treated equally under the original arrangement, and if any changes are made, ALL purchases must be treated to the SAME benefits.
What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?2 -
DPShiro✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
This is complete bs.
If you had been proactive this could have been done for console players too.
Really bad move.
At this rate console players should pay fraction of the cost, since we are neglected over and over again, and doesn't even have working content.~ Gryphon Heart ~
~ Immortal Redeemer ~
~ Grand Master Crafter ~
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bunnytrix✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
lol, wrong. A patch has to first be completed (as in final changes) which the final patch will land May 22 then submitted for approval. Next it has to go through technical certification to ensure it won't brick the console after being approved. It then of course takes time for them to distribute the patch to the various console servers to be delivered to consoles. So for a patch to release May 22 it has to be submitted roughly 1 week in advance. 3.0 won't be done 1 week before May 22 as it'd be 1 patch behind. In short to do an early access they'd have to push launch to June 13th with early access starting June 6th, which is just stupid for the sake of satisfying console whiners.
Every other multi platform game manages somehow, magically, to do all of this well in advance, to enable a multi platform release at the same time.
ZOS just uses this bs as an excuse time and time again. If they wanted to do it, they would.
But hey, carry on believing.
The only thing other companies are doing is delaying the PC version of the game.
Yes, and thereby pleasing players on each platform.
Not pissing off/alienating half of their player base with a hastily thought out damage control mechanism to try to alleviate the mass exodus of disgruntled players upset with the Morrowind calamity patch.
And of course the added bonus of getting PC players to pay for the last 2 weeks of beta.Edited by bunnytrix on May 10, 2017 6:09PM4 -
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✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
lol, wrong. A patch has to first be completed (as in final changes) which the final patch will land May 22 then submitted for approval. Next it has to go through technical certification to ensure it won't brick the console after being approved. It then of course takes time for them to distribute the patch to the various console servers to be delivered to consoles. So for a patch to release May 22 it has to be submitted roughly 1 week in advance. 3.0 won't be done 1 week before May 22 as it'd be 1 patch behind. In short to do an early access they'd have to push launch to June 13th with early access starting June 6th, which is just stupid for the sake of satisfying console whiners.
Every other multi platform game manages somehow, magically, to do all of this well in advance, to enable a multi platform release at the same time.
ZOS just uses this bs as an excuse time and time again. If they wanted to do it, they would.
But hey, carry on believing.
The only thing other companies are doing is delaying the PC version of the game.
Yes, and thereby pleasing players on each platform.
Not pissing off/alienating half of their player base with a hastily thought out damage control mechanism to try to alleviate the mass exodus of disgruntled players upset with the Morrowind calamity patch.
And yet they claimed that ESO would be only one platform in the beginning atleast they changed that give them credit for that atleast0 -
Krileon✭✭✭✭.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
This is complete bs.
If you had been proactive this could have been done for console players too.
Really bad move.
At this rate console players should pay fraction of the cost, since we are neglected over and over again, and doesn't even have working content.
It could be done for consoles by pointlessly pushing the patch by 1 week for PC. You clearly don't understand how consoles work. Please.. just.. stop.. this is absurdly petty. So early access of June 6th with release on June 13th for all platforms. Would that make you happy?
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭Never seen so many grown people cry.
Ah, so you would be fine buying a brand new car, that you see others getting 40 mpg, top-speed of 200, etc, and you only get 20 mpg, top speed of 40? Or would you be upset and voicing complaints that you paid the same amount, why don't you get the same quality and benefits? I am guessing you are just being a troll, because of your comment, and if I see it continue, I'll enjoy reporting you for doing that. These people, and myself, are not crying over ridiculous BS, but expecting the same results for the same price. If ZOS wants to give more benefits to PC (no matter the reason) they have an obligation to charge more on PC for those benefits, and less on console because we do not get the same as the PC players get. This is ESPECIALLY true since they are altering the deal AFTER people have already made purchases.
Businesses are NOT allowed to require the same prices for a product, then after people have made purchases, change the product so that some customers get more than they purchased. That is actually a LEGAL issue, and ZOS needs to fix it, because people could actually seek action for it. I don't know if any will, but, it CAN be done. Purchases have already been made, at this point, all customers must be treated equally under the original arrangement, and if any changes are made, ALL purchases must be treated to the SAME benefits.
You mean like when a new phone comes out and some stores or carriers get them first?
Or when a game comes out and ps4 gets it before x box one?
There isny a legal issue and im sure they have a legal team. Its called early access, and they are allowed to do that because its their game. In my opinion they are either doing this as a soft roll out to further test the content in a live environment and putting a positive spin on it, or they are just plain trying to give more to the players they can.
Everyone on the internet practices law? Get out of here.
Good luck reporting me. Ill report you for threatening to report me. See how silly that sounds?3 -
Avalon✭✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
2 weeks of early access, or did you not read the basics of this thread?0 -
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Pretty sure he was joking. He was pointing out that early access is the ONLY thing PC players get.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
2 weeks of early access, or did you not read the basics of this thread?
Edited by SydneyGrey on May 10, 2017 6:09PM2 -
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Let's be honest. It's not something you'd like to do (the company) because ZOS understands the cert timelines of each console and you announced this in January so if you truly would like to have done this, the submission for all would've been sent in and cert prior to today's announcement about the PC/Mac early access to the base game update.
While it obvious some of you really do care, the constant communication and decisions never have aligned with your comment. And the whole dialogue about not wanting PC players to have to wait on console....this actually means ZOS decisions are not in everyone's best interest but instead focused on other interests.
Just please, those of you who do care, consider how your decisions impact your entire customer base vs segmenting the player base by platform.
A lot of the forum devision and highly moderated threads exists due to your decisions and roll out schedule of any an all updates and content.
While any glaring issues need to be dealt with asap by platform the content updates can roll out in the same week rather than 2-6 weeks apart.
Notice you're selling items on the same timeline but access isn't granted as such, therefore it's a ZOS decision and not that of any console procedure so please stop using that as a reason or excuse
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Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »SNIP
Since you like to tell them how to do their jobs why don't you just apply and get paid for it?
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
2 weeks of early access, or did you not read the basics of this thread?SydneyGrey wrote: »
Pretty sure he was joking. He was pointing out that early access is the ONLY thing PC players get.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
2 weeks of early access, or did you not read the basics of this thread?
Good to see someone understands sarcasm.2 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Never seen so many grown people cry.
Ah, so you would be fine buying a brand new car, that you see others getting 40 mpg, top-speed of 200, etc, and you only get 20 mpg, top speed of 40? Or would you be upset and voicing complaints that you paid the same amount, why don't you get the same quality and benefits? I am guessing you are just being a troll, because of your comment, and if I see it continue, I'll enjoy reporting you for doing that. These people, and myself, are not crying over ridiculous BS, but expecting the same results for the same price. If ZOS wants to give more benefits to PC (no matter the reason) they have an obligation to charge more on PC for those benefits, and less on console because we do not get the same as the PC players get. This is ESPECIALLY true since they are altering the deal AFTER people have already made purchases.
Businesses are NOT allowed to require the same prices for a product, then after people have made purchases, change the product so that some customers get more than they purchased. That is actually a LEGAL issue, and ZOS needs to fix it, because people could actually seek action for it. I don't know if any will, but, it CAN be done. Purchases have already been made, at this point, all customers must be treated equally under the original arrangement, and if any changes are made, ALL purchases must be treated to the SAME benefits.
What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
Higher drop rate in Maw as they are unplayable
More DPS and Healing? Well a disconnected DPS or healer is less than a non disconnected one.
A less buggy game? ABSOLUTELYXbox NA - Oompa
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
Especially considering that I know MS specifically changed their policies about certifications to make their game store more friendly to independent developers and try to get some of the indy business that Sony has been famous for... which means Sony doesn't have that much of a cert process either. They did this so that developers could easily patch their games almost whenever they wanted (a huge complaint developers used to have against MS, but no longer?)
The cert process, I am sure, is still an extra effort, but not so much that ZOS couldn't navigate it and all. I understand the console lagging behind PC on normal stuff... however, this isn't a 'normal' thing. This is MAJOR deal, the first actual expansion to the game, and one that needs to be purchased, not just sub and we have it. They should have REALLY put extra effort into making sure that ALL players were treated the same this time. PC gets IC early, ok... PC gets Wrothgar early, eh, I guess... those are minor things, but, *shrug* ok... we didn't have to purchase them, and, overall, small additions to the game.
This time, it is a MAJOR addition. A new class, huge amounts of extra places, battlegrounds, etc. Add in that it is a purchase only addition... add in that it is FREAKING MORROWIND! They KNOW players are going to be hyped for this, that the excitement will be pretty friggin HUGE! Then, they decide to blatantly show they don't care about how console players got treated, even though they had to pay the same price for the expansion?
No. They need to think about things before they do them, and it is obvious they have the same forethought and consideration of others as the typical 4 year old who just got a big bag of sweets.
Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....6 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »SNIP
Since you like to tell them how to do their jobs why don't you just apply and get paid for it?
https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7
@Kodrac
Because the position interested I have aren't what they have posted since 2012. I actually do look each month
The company I'm with now utilizes a SixSigma approach and the consulting and collaboration decision processes are a much better fit as well as the compensation and development opportunities.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on May 10, 2017 6:17PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
This is complete bs.
If you had been proactive this could have been done for console players too.
Really bad move.
At this rate console players should pay fraction of the cost, since we are neglected over and over again, and doesn't even have working content.
Lol at your entitlement. You sir made me laugh.4 -
t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.QuebraRegra wrote: »Early access to console subs... make it so!
The form mentioned in that post is in the website article toward the bottom - it's on our help page.DMuehlhausen wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to clarify: All PC players will be getting the base game patch on 5/22. Only those who purchased the Morrowind Digital Upgrade (or Physical CE with the form filled out) will have access to Morrowind on 5/22.
Where was this form? I ordered from Amazon. Was there a form on there? I was never prompted for such a think if I remember correctly...I wants my Early Access
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Let's be honest. It's not something you'd like to do (the company) because ZOS understands the cert timelines of each console and you announced this in January so if you truly would like to have done this, the submission for all would've been sent in and cert prior to today's announcement about the PC/Mac early access to the base game update.
While it obvious some of you really do care, the constant communication and decisions never have aligned with your comment. And the whole dialogue about not wanting PC players to have to wait on console....this actually means ZOS decisions are not in everyone's best interest but instead focused on other interests.
Just please, those of you who do care, consider how your decisions impact your entire customer base vs segmenting the player base by platform.
A lot of the forum devision and highly moderated threads exists due to your decisions and roll out schedule of any an all updates and content.
While any glaring issues need to be dealt with asap by platform the content updates can roll out in the same week rather than 2-6 weeks apart.
Notice you're selling items on the same timeline but access isn't granted as such, therefore it's a ZOS decision and not that of any console procedure so please stop using that as a reason or excuse
Very well said^
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
Especially considering that I know MS specifically changed their policies about certifications to make their game store more friendly to independent developers and try to get some of the indy business that Sony has been famous for... which means Sony doesn't have that much of a cert process either. They did this so that developers could easily patch their games almost whenever they wanted (a huge complaint developers used to have against MS, but no longer?)
The cert process, I am sure, is still an extra effort, but not so much that ZOS couldn't navigate it and all. I understand the console lagging behind PC on normal stuff... however, this isn't a 'normal' thing. This is MAJOR deal, the first actual expansion to the game, and one that needs to be purchased, not just sub and we have it. They should have REALLY put extra effort into making sure that ALL players were treated the same this time. PC gets IC early, ok... PC gets Wrothgar early, eh, I guess... those are minor things, but, *shrug* ok... we didn't have to purchase them, and, overall, small additions to the game.
This time, it is a MAJOR addition. A new class, huge amounts of extra places, battlegrounds, etc. Add in that it is a purchase only addition... add in that it is FREAKING MORROWIND! They KNOW players are going to be hyped for this, that the excitement will be pretty friggin HUGE! Then, they decide to blatantly show they don't care about how console players got treated, even though they had to pay the same price for the expansion?
No. They need to think about things before they do them, and it is obvious they have the same forethought and consideration of others as the typical 4 year old who just got a big bag of sweets.
Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
You can't be serious, right? They took 2 full months to even implement a change that WOULD ONLY LOG ISSUES and have yet to fix trials that have been broken 3 MONTHS. The fact that you even suggest ZOS puts as much effort into console as PC is either blatant ignorance or sheer stupidity.Edited by DjMuscleboy02 on May 10, 2017 6:33PMBrodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I presume early release means that you guys have decided you are more or less finished tweaking the game?!?!
I think this is a mistake for 2 reasons. Firstly there is still uproar over the sustain nerfs and although you said you were listening I see no real reversal on the severity of these nerfs. Secondly, if you go to launch early and the game still proves to be bug ridden this will not go down well. It will look like you threw the game out early when it wasn't ready, so I really hope if you launch on May 22nd, that you ensure it is bug free!All my housing builds are available on YouTube
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✭✭✭✭✭so.. I cannot seem to be able to log into support page? obviously I'm logged into my account, as I'm posting on it right now, but on support page in order to fill out the form - my login doesn't work
as in.. nothing happens when i try to hit login button. umm. UMMM dirty worthless casual.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so.. I cannot seem to be able to log into support page? obviously I'm logged into my account, as I'm posting on it right now, but on support page in order to fill out the form - my login doesn't work as in.. nothing happens when i try to hit login button. umm. UMMM
@Linaleah
Is your game log in info different than your forum log in info?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »so.. I cannot seem to be able to log into support page? obviously I'm logged into my account, as I'm posting on it right now, but on support page in order to fill out the form - my login doesn't work as in.. nothing happens when i try to hit login button. umm. UMMM
@Linaleah
Is your game log in info different than your forum log in info?
its identical. the login button just doesn't light up. incidentally, when I hit sign up button, it just takes me to my account page.dirty worthless casual.
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Pretty sure he was joking. He was pointing out that early access is the ONLY thing PC players get.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
2 weeks of early access, or did you not read the basics of this thread?
Yeah, might have been sarcasm, but, not a good time to do so. This is a serious issue, and levity gets missed, since any attempt to 'lighten the mood' is seen as trolling, or an attempt to show the serious issue as ridiculous. Therefore, yeah, trolling again.Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
No, this is like you looking at all of the pre-order bonuses for a game, deciding to buy it, then a month later, the company decides to tell you that they changed the pre-order bonuses, but the one you ordered doesn't get the NEW benefits. If you want to think of it in "Mom/Brother" context, there really isn't one, since there wasn't a choice in who you got as a mother, or brother.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
Higher drop rate in Maw as they are unplayable
More DPS and Healing? Well a disconnected DPS or healer is less than a non disconnected one.
A less buggy game? ABSOLUTELY
Exactly, but make sure to add in add-ons... There is so much that console players just accept as being the 'punishment' for playing on console, that PC players just enjoy and, I guess, never realize how much they do get? There are so many problems on console, all the time, that simply do not exist on PC, and we kinda just go along with it usually. This is something that is pretty far beyond that. PC players always get a lot of benefits, and now they get a pre-order bonus that console players do not, that was added on AFTER purchases were already made?
ZOS, you need to treat players the same, especially in the case of purchasing players.2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I presume early release means that you guys have decided you are more or less finished tweaking the game?!?!
I think this is a mistake for 2 reasons. Firstly there is still uproar over the sustain nerfs and although you said you were listening I see no real reversal on the severity of these nerfs. Secondly, if you go to launch early and the game still proves to be bug ridden this will not go down well. It will look like you threw the game out early when it wasn't ready, so I really hope if you launch on May 22nd, that you ensure it is bug free!
Even though yes it will bANGEL_BtVS wrote: »*grizzledcroc wrote: »I have never seen so many cry babies and stupid people ever before reading this thread
Agreed. Over a video game...
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »so.. I cannot seem to be able to log into support page? obviously I'm logged into my account, as I'm posting on it right now, but on support page in order to fill out the form - my login doesn't work as in.. nothing happens when i try to hit login button. umm. UMMM
@Linaleah
Is your game log in info different than your forum log in info?
its identical. the login button just doesn't light up. incidentally, when I hit sign up button, it just takes me to my account page.
Hmmmm, very odd. My log in differs but I'm able to go in and create new or see prior tickets. Not sure what's going on for your account. Sorry. Thought I could help-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
Especially considering that I know MS specifically changed their policies about certifications to make their game store more friendly to independent developers and try to get some of the indy business that Sony has been famous for... which means Sony doesn't have that much of a cert process either. They did this so that developers could easily patch their games almost whenever they wanted (a huge complaint developers used to have against MS, but no longer?)
The cert process, I am sure, is still an extra effort, but not so much that ZOS couldn't navigate it and all. I understand the console lagging behind PC on normal stuff... however, this isn't a 'normal' thing. This is MAJOR deal, the first actual expansion to the game, and one that needs to be purchased, not just sub and we have it. They should have REALLY put extra effort into making sure that ALL players were treated the same this time. PC gets IC early, ok... PC gets Wrothgar early, eh, I guess... those are minor things, but, *shrug* ok... we didn't have to purchase them, and, overall, small additions to the game.
This time, it is a MAJOR addition. A new class, huge amounts of extra places, battlegrounds, etc. Add in that it is a purchase only addition... add in that it is FREAKING MORROWIND! They KNOW players are going to be hyped for this, that the excitement will be pretty friggin HUGE! Then, they decide to blatantly show they don't care about how console players got treated, even though they had to pay the same price for the expansion?
No. They need to think about things before they do them, and it is obvious they have the same forethought and consideration of others as the typical 4 year old who just got a big bag of sweets.
Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
You can't be serious, right? They took 2 full months to even implement a change that WOULD ONLY LOG ISSUES and have yet to fix trials that have been broken 3 MONTHS. The fact that you even suggest ZOS puts as much effort into console as PC is either blatant ignorance or stupidity.
I dont doubt they are incompetent at coding and bug fixing. I just dont think its for lack of caring.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »so.. I cannot seem to be able to log into support page? obviously I'm logged into my account, as I'm posting on it right now, but on support page in order to fill out the form - my login doesn't work as in.. nothing happens when i try to hit login button. umm. UMMM
@Linaleah
Is your game log in info different than your forum log in info?
its identical. the login button just doesn't light up. incidentally, when I hit sign up button, it just takes me to my account page.
Hmmmm, very odd. My log in differs but I'm able to go in and create new or see prior tickets. Not sure what's going on for your account. Sorry. Thought I could help
so on a whim I tried internet explorer, which i never use otherwise (typicaly, I use chrome) and THAT worked. so this seems to be a browser issue. ugg. I really REALLY dislike IEdirty worthless casual.
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Pretty sure he was joking. He was pointing out that early access is the ONLY thing PC players get.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
2 weeks of early access, or did you not read the basics of this thread?
Yeah, might have been sarcasm, but, not a good time to do so. This is a serious issue, and levity gets missed, since any attempt to 'lighten the mood' is seen as trolling, or an attempt to show the serious issue as ridiculous. Therefore, yeah, trolling again.Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
No, this is like you looking at all of the pre-order bonuses for a game, deciding to buy it, then a month later, the company decides to tell you that they changed the pre-order bonuses, but the one you ordered doesn't get the NEW benefits. If you want to think of it in "Mom/Brother" context, there really isn't one, since there wasn't a choice in who you got as a mother, or brother.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »What do I get as a PC player get that a console player doesn't get? Higher drop rate? Better healing? More damage? A less buggy game?
Higher drop rate in Maw as they are unplayable
More DPS and Healing? Well a disconnected DPS or healer is less than a non disconnected one.
A less buggy game? ABSOLUTELY
Exactly, but make sure to add in add-ons... There is so much that console players just accept as being the 'punishment' for playing on console, that PC players just enjoy and, I guess, never realize how much they do get? There are so many problems on console, all the time, that simply do not exist on PC, and we kinda just go along with it usually. This is something that is pretty far beyond that. PC players always get a lot of benefits, and now they get a pre-order bonus that console players do not, that was added on AFTER purchases were already made?
ZOS, you need to treat players the same, especially in the case of purchasing players.
You didnt lose anything, and i just dont agree with you. I play on console and i have an understanding that console and pc gamea are different. I get that lots of people are frustrated about a lot of things in this game, but we all still love the game. I just dont understand how personal people are making it to the point of name calling, and belittling. This of all the issues to me is a non issues and it certainly shows us who is a part of the entitled crew.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.
Lies.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »If we sent the console update for certification early, then it wouldn't include most of the fixes and tweaks we add in the later PTS patches which is less than ideal.
More lies.
Especially considering that I know MS specifically changed their policies about certifications to make their game store more friendly to independent developers and try to get some of the indy business that Sony has been famous for... which means Sony doesn't have that much of a cert process either. They did this so that developers could easily patch their games almost whenever they wanted (a huge complaint developers used to have against MS, but no longer?)
The cert process, I am sure, is still an extra effort, but not so much that ZOS couldn't navigate it and all. I understand the console lagging behind PC on normal stuff... however, this isn't a 'normal' thing. This is MAJOR deal, the first actual expansion to the game, and one that needs to be purchased, not just sub and we have it. They should have REALLY put extra effort into making sure that ALL players were treated the same this time. PC gets IC early, ok... PC gets Wrothgar early, eh, I guess... those are minor things, but, *shrug* ok... we didn't have to purchase them, and, overall, small additions to the game.
This time, it is a MAJOR addition. A new class, huge amounts of extra places, battlegrounds, etc. Add in that it is a purchase only addition... add in that it is FREAKING MORROWIND! They KNOW players are going to be hyped for this, that the excitement will be pretty friggin HUGE! Then, they decide to blatantly show they don't care about how console players got treated, even though they had to pay the same price for the expansion?
No. They need to think about things before they do them, and it is obvious they have the same forethought and consideration of others as the typical 4 year old who just got a big bag of sweets.
Really they just dont care about console players? Lol thats like saying my mom blatantly doesnt love me because she called my brother yesterday but not me....
You can't be serious, right? They took 2 full months to even implement a change that WOULD ONLY LOG ISSUES and have yet to fix trials that have been broken 3 MONTHS. The fact that you even suggest ZOS puts as much effort into console as PC is either blatant ignorance or stupidity.
I dont doubt they are incompetent at coding and bug fixing. I just dont think its for lack of caring.
Current and previous decisions suggest they don't care or that's it's a lack of focus and planning.
Decisions are made with thought so @t3hdubzy some interpret it as not caring because it's often, consistent and frequent-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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