PTS Patch Notes v3.0.3

DPShiro

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel

The changes to the items sets (Netch, Ysgramor, Automaton etc) look great! But please make the bonuses scale with Major Brutality/Sorcery etc as other sets do. This is clearly a bug and should be looked at since War Maiden will suffer the same issue.

Also while reworking piece bonuses, please look at Monster sets like Nerien'eth, Skoria etc to make them comparable to the newer ones (remove max health, add spell damage/mag magicka etc).

Marabornwingrion

Dear ZOS,
It's nice that again you decided to buff twisting path for nightblades, but buffing only 1 class ability won't fix our DPS problems. Start listening to feedback.

Also, bsw nerf is ridiculous.

laksikus

so zos nerfed fiords to the ground?

and did zos ever say how much more movement speed sprint is anyway?

Weps

How can you possibly run from thread to thread asking for constructive feedback and then coming out like this?

Out of all the adjustments you made, probably only Pirate Skeleton is something people have talked about.
Everything else is just a huge white space filler.

SodanTok

DPShiro wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel

The changes to the items sets (Netch, Ysgramor, Automaton etc) look great! But please make the bonuses scale with Major Brutality/Sorcery etc as other sets do. This is clearly a bug and should be looked at since War Maiden will suffer the same issue.

Also while reworking piece bonuses, please look at Monster sets like Nerien'eth, Skoria etc to make them comparable to the newer ones (remove max health, add spell damage/mag magicka etc).

It scales

GallantGuardian

wisej12 wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So is warrior poet going to have that 5th trait of minor toughness giving us 10% of our max health ....along with an additional max health added to the 5th trait?

yes

Nice this will definitely be a set i use now

Calindel

Thanks for helping me out Zenimax, I have been on the fence about cancelling my sub for a couple months now, 3 straight weeks of these PTS patch notes have helped me decide to cancel it, it is painfully clear that you just dont care about player feedback, if you do read it, its for laughs.

PTS 3.0 Temps and DKs now suck, just not as bad as NBs
PTS 3.1 Temps and DKs still suck, Sorc OP
PTS 3.2 Temps and DKs still suck, fake nerf to balance to Sorc
PTS 3.3 Temps and DKs still suck, 0.2sec added to a Sorc ability, problem solved, stfu peseants
PTS 3.4 Going back to FFXIV and other games that dont destroy my build every 30-60 days

Weps

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel

The changes to the items sets (Netch, Ysgramor, Automaton etc) look great! But please make the bonuses scale with Major Brutality/Sorcery etc as other sets do. This is clearly a bug and should be looked at since War Maiden will suffer the same issue.

Also while reworking piece bonuses, please look at Monster sets like Nerien'eth, Skoria etc to make them comparable to the newer ones (remove max health, add spell damage/mag magicka etc).

It scales

Do you have any proof?
Any test about it?

LonePirate

Weps wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

ZoS do you really hate dks that much? pls just remove them from the game then

gg on nerfing BSW btw Mdks really needed a F U even more

MDKs were better off both and after this nerf if they used the Sun set, especially if they had gold Sun rings prior to 1T. Now Sun is clearly superior. Granted, being a MDK in PVP is still playing the game on hard mode; but PVE is still a walk in the park.

Sorry, but in no way Sun is better.

Spell crit is useless for damage dealers in PVP so the always on Sun set does more damage than the reduced spell damage and proc chance of BSW. Check the math.

Eddyble

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

General

• You can no longer increase your total Movement Speed bonus to more than 100% of your base Movement Speed.
  Developer Comment:
  This change should only affect builds that are stacking all the Movement Speed bonuses in the game, and should prevent some of the extreme movement those builds are able to do in situations like Battleground flag running. This also prevents instances where those builds could run faster on foot than via a mount.
  
  

This makes me sad.

MagnusBlackmane

@LiquidPony that's your choice, that's fine, that's why I use a lot of "I" in my posts - which a lot of people neglect to do here. Sure you're bis gear and skill rotation will be probably obsolete now and you will have to build around the new mechanics, but that's part of the process. I've seen it and also have done it at times in other games. And so far as I can see, the overall change will slow down the completion times of various PVE activities, or make soloing some more difficult sure... or god forbid skipping mechanics, that abomination should not even exist at all. And I don't want to delve into PVP side of things... that I will admit is a bit of a mess.

Anyway to each his own, but "poking the beast" is amusing. Especially as a lot of guys here are a bit... let's say, overly touchy when it comes to such things, you will have to admit at least that

xblackroxe

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nightblade

• Shadow
  • Twisting Path (Path of Darkness morph): Increased the damage of this morph by approximately 11%.

so you buff the path instead of just fixing the bug that it doesnt scale with thauma? Both will be nice i mean no problem with that ~33% damage buff then

The ability scales with Master at Arms, so it doesn't need to scale with Thaum.

BUT ITS A DOT. IT SHOULD SCALE WITH THAUM.

Tholian1

Even in Skyrim, you get to hold the bow until you want to fire it. A bow should primarily be for carefully placed stealth attacks IMO. Please make the auto fire an option.

Moglijuana

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Why did the "sun" set not get spell crit added in exchange to its 2 piece rather then the max health it gets? ...

Because they obviously hate DK's lol. Look at the past two years XD.

DPShiro

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel

The changes to the items sets (Netch, Ysgramor, Automaton etc) look great! But please make the bonuses scale with Major Brutality/Sorcery etc as other sets do. This is clearly a bug and should be looked at since War Maiden will suffer the same issue.

Also while reworking piece bonuses, please look at Monster sets like Nerien'eth, Skoria etc to make them comparable to the newer ones (remove max health, add spell damage/mag magicka etc).

It scales

It doesn't.
Unless they secretly fixed that recently. This is why those sets are not worth using.

lunalitetempler

@ZOS_GinaBruno What time will the pts be up please? i really want to try out the capture flag debuff ^^

SodanTok

Weps wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel

The changes to the items sets (Netch, Ysgramor, Automaton etc) look great! But please make the bonuses scale with Major Brutality/Sorcery etc as other sets do. This is clearly a bug and should be looked at since War Maiden will suffer the same issue.

Also while reworking piece bonuses, please look at Monster sets like Nerien'eth, Skoria etc to make them comparable to the newer ones (remove max health, add spell damage/mag magicka etc).

It scales

Do you have any proof?
Any test about it?

No. Log on PTS. Try damage with 4automaton + 1 mismatching (same trait, glyph, quality) with and without brutality. Then replace mismatched with automaton try both with and without brutality. Compare value. It matches 20% from brutality.
Not sure if i tried medium armor passive or not.

LiquidPony

DPShiro wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel

The changes to the items sets (Netch, Ysgramor, Automaton etc) look great! But please make the bonuses scale with Major Brutality/Sorcery etc as other sets do. This is clearly a bug and should be looked at since War Maiden will suffer the same issue.

Also while reworking piece bonuses, please look at Monster sets like Nerien'eth, Skoria etc to make them comparable to the newer ones (remove max health, add spell damage/mag magicka etc).

@DPShiro That's one solution. The other would be to just buff the damage bonus on the 5-piece from 400 to 500.

deadlychaos1991

Minno wrote: »

That HA bow change is a nerf for gank builds lol. Did people really complain their couldn't sustain with bow HA?

Also in hunting you hold the draw, and most hunters can hold it for 2-3 minutes. So there isnt even a real-world application to justify the change.

Though that pirate skele change looks good. Nice way to block it from shield users (approved).
Though 5 bucks says it terrible in real application since you can have it proc on health then shield spam lol.

Think about how it comes together though. Spamming shields will come at an extreme cost, plus minor defile means getting your health back will be harder under your shields, plus sorcs usually use divine, not impen, which means one hit and bye bye sorc.

MyKillv2.0

Calindel wrote: »

Thanks for helping me out Zenimax, I have been on the fence about cancelling my sub for a couple months now, 3 straight weeks of these PTS patch notes have helped me decide to cancel it, it is painfully clear that you just dont care about player feedback, if you do read it, its for laughs.

PTS 3.0 Temps and DKs now suck, just not as bad as NBs
PTS 3.1 Temps and DKs still suck, Sorc OP
PTS 3.2 Temps and DKs still suck, fake nerf to balance to Sorc
PTS 3.3 Temps and DKs still suck, 0.2sec added to a Sorc ability, problem solved, stfu peseants
PTS 3.4 Going back to FFXIV and other games that dont destroy my build every 30-60 days

Awesome, thanks for playing ESO with us for the time you did! I promise you, the game will still be here when you are ready to come back.

Denyiir

How about instead of increasing casting time of dark deal(200ms lol) make it so it give resources after 15 sec, just like siphoning attacks. This fake nerf really just show how much you don't want to touch op sorc class.

Marto

Calindel wrote: »

Thanks for helping me out Zenimax, I have been on the fence about cancelling my sub for a couple months now, 3 straight weeks of these PTS patch notes have helped me decide to cancel it, it is painfully clear that you just dont care about player feedback, if you do read it, its for laughs.

PTS 3.0 Temps and DKs now suck, just not as bad as NBs
PTS 3.1 Temps and DKs still suck, Sorc OP
PTS 3.2 Temps and DKs still suck, fake nerf to balance to Sorc
PTS 3.3 Temps and DKs still suck, 0.2sec added to a Sorc ability, problem solved, stfu peseants
PTS 3.4 Going back to FFXIV and other games that dont destroy my build every 30-60 days

The overall meta has stayed the same for the past 6 months. Some things have switched around, some things have been discovered, and some things have been buffed/nerfed, sure, but not to the degree to change the meta and destroy builds.

Preyfar

Autolycus wrote: »

Well to be fair, BSW is outperforming Necro anyway in pet builds (tested it personally but don't tell that to the mainstream sorcs who spent all that time and money on their pet gear).

The bigger problem with the BSW nerf is it really poops on MagDKs more than anything. BSW was the perfect compliment for a MagDK, and with all the issues DKs have in the new patch, this just adds more to the list.

EDIT:
Also, why did you guys change the 2 piece for Health to Crit on those sets, but over year later, after tons of feedback, does Ice Furnace STILL have Weapon Damage? People have been BEGGING for an ice-based DPS set. And, yeah, I get ice's new "block" meta is a thing... but ice staves are woefully underutilized.

As a loyal, sometimes disgruntled minion (I am Khajiit, after all) I humbly request that you give Ice Furnace the love it needs. And if not... WHY not? You always talk about reading all the feedback, but I can't legitimately see a reason Ice Furnace would not be fixed from Weapon Damage to Spell Damage after all this time.

MissBizz

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

General

• Bow
  • Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.
    Developer Comment:
    MissBizz released a video guide about basic combat including how to light/heavy attack,
    what these do and more, approximately *24* hours ago. She did include that bow heavy attacks work differently than other weapons. Due to wanting to ensure no guides from the PTS era were completely correct upon launch, we felt the need to mess with her too.

Fixed that comment for you. I'm mostly joking

Autolycus

Preyfar wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Well to be fair, BSW is outperforming Necro anyway in pet builds (tested it personally but don't tell that to the mainstream sorcs who spent all that time and money on their pet gear).

The bigger problem with the BSW nerf is it really poops on MagDKs more than anything. BSW was the perfect compliment for a MagDK, and with all the issues DKs have in the new patch, this just adds more to the list.

Right, I basically said that in the same post but you only quoted that first sentence. Except instead of speaking specifically about magDKs, I made a sarcastic remark about NBs instead. Either way, Sorcs still have Necro and everyone else who is using BSW is SoL / back to the drawing board (maybe).

Weps

LonePirate wrote: »

Weps wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

ZoS do you really hate dks that much? pls just remove them from the game then

gg on nerfing BSW btw Mdks really needed a F U even more

MDKs were better off both and after this nerf if they used the Sun set, especially if they had gold Sun rings prior to 1T. Now Sun is clearly superior. Granted, being a MDK in PVP is still playing the game on hard mode; but PVE is still a walk in the park.

Sorry, but in no way Sun is better.

Spell crit is useless for damage dealers in PVP so the always on Sun set does more damage than the reduced spell damage and proc chance of BSW. Check the math.

It's not useless, it's not as useful as PvE but for a mDK, who doesn't have an exec, a crit whip means all the differences in the world. Plus you can actually buff BSW's spell proc even further reaching 700 spell damage bonus.
Plus Dk have lots of fire damage, that's true. It's not ALL fire damage tho.

Toc de Malsvi

Liam12548 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

PLEASE CONSIDER REVERTING THIS CHANGE. "Fully charged heavy attacks from bow now fire when charged".

In pvp, a huge part of using bow is charging a heavy attack and holding it until an opponent comes around a corner, within range, etc. This change will completely remove this ability and make the bow even more useless than it already is.

I understand the concern for ease of use with the new importance of heavy attacks, but you are destroying an entire playstyle with this change. Please consider either making this option a toggle or reverting it entirely. It is VERY easy to tell when a bow is fully charged, there is no reason to harm the playstyle in the name of "Streamlining" gameplay.

Please reference the below video for a strong example of this playstyle, and why it will be ruined if this change hits live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi_zGhNgpW8

@JackDaniell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndR_udAp_jM

Entire build ruined

WhiteMage

Ok... BSW nerf: it hurts but I saw that coming. Makes me kinda sad for my PvP destro build.
Pirate skelly: excellent, that looks like it will actually fix it. Good job.
War Maiden: ok, now that set is worthless to me. That maximum health is very valuable in my PvP build, but to change it to a spell crit bonus to increase dps? Crit is NOT something you want to increase your dps there, you want magicka or spell damage, especially considering major sorcery doesn't boost the 5pc. One less thing to look forward to, one less reason to buy.

Saturn

Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

Perfectly sums up everything.

There is not a single f*****g change to the sustain nerfs, whatsoever, because you know, the PTS isn't meant to be for player feedback or anything... It is really quite obscene at this point how little ZOS has shown to listen to intelligent feedback. It's infuriating, really. Why should we spend hours and hours testing the new content and nerfs, if all of our well-thought-out feedback will be completely ignored, simply because the devs think they know best? Why even have the PTS then? Honestly, this bothers me to no end, but hey, at least the casual players will be happy.

I'd like to repost something I've seen quite a lot so far, and that is: "When the floor and ceiling meet, the house collapses." If ZOS understood what that meant, they'd be thinking more about these changes instead of just favouring new players, by making it so there is close to no gap between new and veteran players...

xSkullfox

so we should now farm war maiden instead of bsw, took me only 100+runs for all divine....