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stuartx13✭✭✭i Don't feel there is a dislike maybe rivalries.But like last campaine when Saramis(not sure if thats his name) , i think was pushing for emp SG was one of the first if not the first to FD brk to make it happen.
Edited by stuartx13 on April 30, 2017 1:41AM0 -
Takllin✭✭✭✭✭
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
I forgive most guilds for stacking, if only from a practical point of view. When we were first training zone pugs in VE back when, nights were damn frustrating. It got very old going to Chalman and then OH NO it's No Mercy and we're dead. Prance down to BRK or Arrius and it's Decibel layering us with more negates than we had people in raid. At a certain point it's just not fun, and I imagine that many groups are weary of running into the death machines that are the few top level guilds on the server.
I know Saramis, for example, will go to get Aleswell back; take bleakers, siege from north or front door a few times....and then will get frustrated and go somewhere else. And in an AvAvA game, why not go back with another group? What's the point of a faction if you're supposed to do it all yourself? The way I see it, as much as ZoS created the Zerg mindset, so did all us high level players and guilds that happily farmed people until the only reasonable options were "quit pvp" or "come back with more".
Anyways. There's only 3 or so guilds I don't like seeing as part of the faction stack, and that's only because they're loud and proud about Not doing it and happily call out others for doing so. No one likes a hypocrite.
You forgot the option where you learn to play the game and start performing well.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
Jàsènn - AD Orc Templar 47 AR 10
Jessèn - AD Dunmer DK v16 AR 9 - Former Empress of Blackwater Blade
Tekllin - AD Altmer Sorcerer v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Tekklin - AD Bosmer Nightblade v16 AR 12 (Ret.)
Jasenn - DC Imperial Templar v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Jasènn - DC Orc Sorcerer v16 AR 15 (Ret.)2 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
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Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
I forgive most guilds for stacking, if only from a practical point of view. When we were first training zone pugs in VE back when, nights were damn frustrating. It got very old going to Chalman and then OH NO it's No Mercy and we're dead. Prance down to BRK or Arrius and it's Decibel layering us with more negates than we had people in raid. At a certain point it's just not fun, and I imagine that many groups are weary of running into the death machines that are the few top level guilds on the server.
I know Saramis, for example, will go to get Aleswell back; take bleakers, siege from north or front door a few times....and then will get frustrated and go somewhere else. And in an AvAvA game, why not go back with another group? What's the point of a faction if you're supposed to do it all yourself? The way I see it, as much as ZoS created the Zerg mindset, so did all us high level players and guilds that happily farmed people until the only reasonable options were "quit pvp" or "come back with more".
Anyways. There's only 3 or so guilds I don't like seeing as part of the faction stack, and that's only because they're loud and proud about Not doing it and happily call out others for doing so. No one likes a hypocrite.
You forgot the option where you learn to play the game and start performing well.
Saying "get good" after you just murdered a group for the 20th time is something I expect to hear drunkenly exclaimed on TS, not put forward as actual argument.
Technically speaking you're right: they could get good. But in reality they quit. Masses of them. Now we have a PvP community so small the whole damn thing could fit on Wabbajack, GGWP.
Some groups do get good but it takes time. PM is a good example of what I mean. They went from a group I didn't even have to make calls to kill, to a group that could make me pay if I was lazy. And they absorbed a lot of punishment to get there and took years. For every group that struggles though and gets good, many more just quit, get frustrated with the game, OR! come back with friends.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost4 -
No_True_Scotsman✭✭✭✭
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
I forgive most guilds for stacking, if only from a practical point of view. When we were first training zone pugs in VE back when, nights were damn frustrating. It got very old going to Chalman and then OH NO it's No Mercy and we're dead. Prance down to BRK or Arrius and it's Decibel layering us with more negates than we had people in raid. At a certain point it's just not fun, and I imagine that many groups are weary of running into the death machines that are the few top level guilds on the server.
I know Saramis, for example, will go to get Aleswell back; take bleakers, siege from north or front door a few times....and then will get frustrated and go somewhere else. And in an AvAvA game, why not go back with another group? What's the point of a faction if you're supposed to do it all yourself? The way I see it, as much as ZoS created the Zerg mindset, so did all us high level players and guilds that happily farmed people until the only reasonable options were "quit pvp" or "come back with more".
Anyways. There's only 3 or so guilds I don't like seeing as part of the faction stack, and that's only because they're loud and proud about Not doing it and happily call out others for doing so. No one likes a hypocrite.
You forgot the option where you learn to play the game and start performing well.
This is (allegedly) a leisure activity for most people, and the crowd that min-maxes numbers and strains gnats out of their gameplay is a fairly small clique compared to everyone else. As much as the average pug would benefit from some gitgud, it's easier and faster for them to just bring more. I don't think you can expect everyone to devote time and energy to becoming good players.3 -
Takllin✭✭✭✭✭
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
I forgive most guilds for stacking, if only from a practical point of view. When we were first training zone pugs in VE back when, nights were damn frustrating. It got very old going to Chalman and then OH NO it's No Mercy and we're dead. Prance down to BRK or Arrius and it's Decibel layering us with more negates than we had people in raid. At a certain point it's just not fun, and I imagine that many groups are weary of running into the death machines that are the few top level guilds on the server.
I know Saramis, for example, will go to get Aleswell back; take bleakers, siege from north or front door a few times....and then will get frustrated and go somewhere else. And in an AvAvA game, why not go back with another group? What's the point of a faction if you're supposed to do it all yourself? The way I see it, as much as ZoS created the Zerg mindset, so did all us high level players and guilds that happily farmed people until the only reasonable options were "quit pvp" or "come back with more".
Anyways. There's only 3 or so guilds I don't like seeing as part of the faction stack, and that's only because they're loud and proud about Not doing it and happily call out others for doing so. No one likes a hypocrite.
You forgot the option where you learn to play the game and start performing well.
Saying "get good" after you just murdered a group for the 20th time is something I expect to hear drunkenly exclaimed on TS, not put forward as actual argument.
Technically speaking you're right: they could get good. But in reality they quit. Masses of them. Now we have a PvP community so small the whole damn thing could fit on Wabbajack, GGWP.
Some groups do get good but it takes time. PM is a good example of what I mean. They went from a group I didn't even have to make calls to kill, to a group that could make me pay if I was lazy. And they absorbed a lot of punishment to get there and took years. For every group that struggles though and gets good, many more just quit, get frustrated with the game, OR! come back with friends.
If you quit the game because you get farmed it's not the groups fault for farming you, it's your fault for getting farmed. You can put the work in to learn the game and prevent that. If you refuse to, it's entirely your fault. I don't like blaming people for knowing what they're doing, and I don't like excusing people for taking the brain dead option because they can get away with it due to game mechanic changes specifically made to allow them to do that.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
Jàsènn - AD Orc Templar 47 AR 10
Jessèn - AD Dunmer DK v16 AR 9 - Former Empress of Blackwater Blade
Tekllin - AD Altmer Sorcerer v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Tekklin - AD Bosmer Nightblade v16 AR 12 (Ret.)
Jasenn - DC Imperial Templar v16 AR 18 (Ret.)
Jasènn - DC Orc Sorcerer v16 AR 15 (Ret.)1 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
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Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
I forgive most guilds for stacking, if only from a practical point of view. When we were first training zone pugs in VE back when, nights were damn frustrating. It got very old going to Chalman and then OH NO it's No Mercy and we're dead. Prance down to BRK or Arrius and it's Decibel layering us with more negates than we had people in raid. At a certain point it's just not fun, and I imagine that many groups are weary of running into the death machines that are the few top level guilds on the server.
I know Saramis, for example, will go to get Aleswell back; take bleakers, siege from north or front door a few times....and then will get frustrated and go somewhere else. And in an AvAvA game, why not go back with another group? What's the point of a faction if you're supposed to do it all yourself? The way I see it, as much as ZoS created the Zerg mindset, so did all us high level players and guilds that happily farmed people until the only reasonable options were "quit pvp" or "come back with more".
Anyways. There's only 3 or so guilds I don't like seeing as part of the faction stack, and that's only because they're loud and proud about Not doing it and happily call out others for doing so. No one likes a hypocrite.
You forgot the option where you learn to play the game and start performing well.
Saying "get good" after you just murdered a group for the 20th time is something I expect to hear drunkenly exclaimed on TS, not put forward as actual argument.
Technically speaking you're right: they could get good. But in reality they quit. Masses of them. Now we have a PvP community so small the whole damn thing could fit on Wabbajack, GGWP.
Some groups do get good but it takes time. PM is a good example of what I mean. They went from a group I didn't even have to make calls to kill, to a group that could make me pay if I was lazy. And they absorbed a lot of punishment to get there and took years. For every group that struggles though and gets good, many more just quit, get frustrated with the game, OR! come back with friends.
If you quit the game because you get farmed it's not the groups fault for farming you, it's your fault for getting farmed. You can put the work in to learn the game and prevent that. If you refuse to, it's entirely your fault. I don't like blaming people for knowing what they're doing, and I don't like excusing people for taking the brain dead option because they can get away with it due to game mechanic changes specifically made to allow them to do that.
You're basically saying, if you can't compete at the highest level then don't bother even playing the game.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost1 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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No_True_Scotsman✭✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT6 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost0 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.Edited by Satiar on April 30, 2017 4:24AMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost0 -
No_True_Scotsman✭✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
All of you get just as much flak from other people on other factions. It's funny how people's opinions aren't the same as yours when you leave your self-congratulating echo box. It's like I'm talking to Frozn or something, Jesus.1 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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No_True_Scotsman✭✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.
Did you even read what he said? For goodness sake.2 -
stuartx13✭✭✭Dominant Dominion,Fantasia, Pact Militia,Haxus...ect I know and can tell from the
excitement on TS that we love fight's with you all you are good we win you win SG will say watch out for theas guys they are
and not take them lightly and we don't and some of the fights are so fun keeps the game frash.
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✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.
Did you even read what he said? For goodness sake.
He did not.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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stuartx13✭✭✭fun tonight back and forth but dd and dk at ash lol only 20 You have been weighed and killed go home SG sends love0
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✭Pug Guild SG just run as a group sometimes we happen to be at the same spot as others like today at alswell 3 EP guilds you think we were going to let BOD or AK (not sure who was there ) get bushwacked no way.Only time we team up is with our brother guild Pug's of DC that it But it's all fun SG gives respct to all the guilds we fight .fun tonight back and forth but dd and dk at ash lol only 20 You have been weighed and killed go home SG sends love
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✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.
Did you even read what he said? For goodness sake.
He did not.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past. We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.
Did you even read what he said? For goodness sake.
He did not.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past. We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
If you happen to be in the same place as another guild you always have the option to move somewhere else. Whether or not you actively seek it out, you don't actively try to avoid it.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.
Did you even read what he said? For goodness sake.
He did not.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past. We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
If you happen to be in the same place as another guild you always have the option to move somewhere else. Whether or not you actively seek it out, you don't actively try to avoid it.
If we're sieging Faregyl and other people show up, it's true we don't just pack up and leave immediately. But we don't coordinate with other EP groups and/or call out in zone for EP to stack stuff. We have more fun being on our own and putting together a good farm.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »No_True_Scotsman wrote: »
Most people are just apathetic towards it now, and the gameplay has been made to cater to it. The population caps being decreased time and again by ZOS despite them denying it also makes these zergs smaller.
Still, it's always painful to see BOD/Arcadian/Pug Guild running around holding hands. They claim to dislike eachother, but it must be only at the top of the food chain, because it's been a common sight the last 2 weeks, and very hard to counter late at night.
Cyrodiil is a giant game of connect-the-dots. Even if no one likes each other, and DC guilds certainly don't, people will end up in the same place regardless. It's why accusations of faction stacking are so dumb. No one does it on purpose. It just happens, and even the most anti-zerg of the remaining guilds are ambivalent about it.
The only people I've seen look at a faction zerg and actually walk away from it are KHole and Mojican & friends. VE will run passed a faction zerg, but if the faction shows up to our fight we're not going to just prance away for internet morality points. It's just gaem
It's true. It happens to all guilds. It does, however, happen to some guilds more than others.
I know. You guys should try to separate yourselves from PM's hip from time to time. I know it might be scary, but I believe in you. Talking about it is the first step forward.
But Invictus is just PM Raid #16.
To be fair, aside from you and occasionally Frozn, no one in your guild really brags about not stacking and such. Which means I'm generally not salty when I see it happen.
I don't think I've ever bragged about not stacking. On the contrary, I admit and have admitted it does happen. I think the ONLY group that goes out of its way to a void stacking is Mojican. That being said, we do usually try to avoid it. The reason you guys receive the most flak is because during previous campaign cycles VE openly admitted to wrangling the DC to faction stack objectives.
I would much rather sit at a resource with a small group and farm all night. Unfortunately, sometimes you gotta play the map to make the map conducive to resource/remote keep farm.
Well no ***, from day 1 we've been open about being a guild focused on map objectives and winning campaigns. We did it on Red, We did it on Yellow and we do it on Blue. Never been shy about this, and we only give people *** for stacking when they themselves stack in it while trying to claim moral high ground.
Then I don't understand why you get so upset when people call you out for stacking with other guilds as much as you do. Like I said, it happens. Invictus does try to avoid it, but it happens. VE wants to faction stack and that's fine. But you gotta live with the flak people are going to give you for throwing 60+ at everything.
Did you even read what he said? For goodness sake.
He did not.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past. We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
I have no idea where you get the idea that I encourage DC guilds to stack up. Playing the map and trying to herd DC guilds to the same place isn't remotely the same thing. Usually I'm asking guilds to go somewhere I'm not because chances are I don't need the help.
Please produce this quote of me saying "VE actively works to stack guilds in one place" what a joke.Edited by Satiar on April 30, 2017 5:36PMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Plan and simple this is a lie. Kilandros you really should hold yourself to a high standard then spreading lies, if not we will call you out on it.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past.
Don't confuse last Emp Keep stands when all faction guilds (DC/EP/AD) show up to dethrone as the EMP alliance already has their entire faction stacked in the keep.We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
lol you really have no idea about the DC guilds. SG and BOD hate each other you should see the crap that comes from shadowgrabber towards saramis in zone.Crispen Longbow - Daggerfall Covenant (DC): NB - Rank:50 (NA/PC) - RIP (Blue VE, Khole, LoM, MO)
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✭✭✭Crispen_Longbow wrote: »
Plan and simple this is a lie. Kilandros you really should hold yourself to a high standard then spreading lies, if not we will call you out on it.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past.
Don't confuse last Emp Keep stands when all faction guilds (DC/EP/AD) show up to dethrone as the EMP alliance already has their entire faction stacked in the keep.We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
lol you really have no idea about the DC guilds. SG and BOD hate each other you should see the crap that comes from shadowgrabber towards saramis in zone.
I'm spreading lies? Well OK then. Straight from Bulba:x99Needles wrote: »I stacked with other guilds when the circumstances called for it and have no shame for it. All of us have, and if you want to deny it than you have a different issue to address all together.
I expect the salt levels to exceed 9000 on this thread rather quickly. I will say now; I will not revisit this thread or forum again. So you may spare yourself some time from posting a hateful reply that I will never see.Edited by Kilandros on April 30, 2017 6:11PMInvictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Alomar✭✭✭✭✭Crispen_Longbow wrote: »
Plan and simple this is a lie. Kilandros you really should hold yourself to a high standard then spreading lies, if not we will call you out on it.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past.
Don't confuse last Emp Keep stands when all faction guilds (DC/EP/AD) show up to dethrone as the EMP alliance already has their entire faction stacked in the keep.We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
lol you really have no idea about the DC guilds. SG and BOD hate each other you should see the crap that comes from shadowgrabber towards saramis in zone.
I'm spreading lies? Well OK then. Straight from Bulba:x99Needles wrote: »I stacked with other guilds when the circumstances called for it and have no shame for it. All of us have, and if you want to deny it than you have a different issue to address all together.
I expect the salt levels to exceed 9000 on this thread rather quickly. I will say now; I will not revisit this thread or forum again. So you may spare yourself some time from posting a hateful reply that I will never see.
Everyone stacks, just be glad that now when they do it, it doesn't cause the game-breaking lag it did 1-1.5 years ago when they used it as an actual strategy to take/defend objectives. If your enemy has spent years doing it, don't feel an ounce of guilt for doing it right back at them. Two wrongs make a right! I'll be back to faction stack when Morrowind hits and there's less cancer in TF.Edited by Alomar on April 30, 2017 6:31PMHaxus Council Member
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✭✭✭Crispen_Longbow wrote: »
Plan and simple this is a lie. Kilandros you really should hold yourself to a high standard then spreading lies, if not we will call you out on it.
I know it's nuanced, but my point is that we know VE actively works to stack guilds in one place--you've said so in the past.
Don't confuse last Emp Keep stands when all faction guilds (DC/EP/AD) show up to dethrone as the EMP alliance already has their entire faction stacked in the keep.We do not actively try to do this, though we do admit that sometimes we happen to be in the same place as another guild. That's a pretty big difference, in my opinion.
Just remember that this thread got derailed because Crispen made the ridiculous "DC groups actively work to avoid each other," comment. We all know that to be untrue.
lol you really have no idea about the DC guilds. SG and BOD hate each other you should see the crap that comes from shadowgrabber towards saramis in zone.
I'm spreading lies? Well OK then. Straight from Bulba:x99Needles wrote: »I stacked with other guilds when the circumstances called for it and have no shame for it. All of us have, and if you want to deny it than you have a different issue to address all together.
I expect the salt levels to exceed 9000 on this thread rather quickly. I will say now; I will not revisit this thread or forum again. So you may spare yourself some time from posting a hateful reply that I will never see.
We've all stacked up when needed, if it's a whole faction coming in, a dethrone, a gate defense or what have you. You trying to twist that into "VE encourages guilds to stack" is pathetic.Edited by Satiar on April 30, 2017 6:33PMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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