The hard truth why 'everyone' is so upset with the Patch Notes...

Ch4mpTW

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, everyone is upset that nearly every "outside the box" build is being destroyed in one blow.

For a game that has been marketed based on freedom of choice, they sure are intent on forcing everyone into the fewest number of cookie cutter builds possible.

Completely untrue...

I've looked at the patch notes and I dont foresee my Magicka Templar suffering much at all, and I garantee you that I dont run a cookie cutter build...

Are you serious? Can you elaborate for me please, as I have a MagPlar myself. And all I see are nerfs combined with nerfs that were previously distributed beforehand. I wish I would bring a MagPlar in a trial next update. Lmao. That'd be like bringing up in a stamina build to a trial, but maybe even worse.

Well, let me 1st say that I am built for PvP and not PvE...

With that said, I currently run Chudan x2, Combat Physician x5, and Vampire Lord x5 and it performs very well for me (the other bar is for healing and is largely the same, except its Vampire Lord x4 due to having a Resto Staff)...

Like I said, nowhere near a cookie cutter build...

Oh... Oh okay... Yeeeeah. . . Well this is awkward. I suppose that uh... —you've elaborated enough, and I thank you for doing so. All is well, I guess. >_>

TheDoomsdayMonster

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, everyone is upset that nearly every "outside the box" build is being destroyed in one blow.

For a game that has been marketed based on freedom of choice, they sure are intent on forcing everyone into the fewest number of cookie cutter builds possible.

Completely untrue...

I've looked at the patch notes and I dont foresee my Magicka Templar suffering much at all, and I garantee you that I dont run a cookie cutter build...

Are you serious? Can you elaborate for me please, as I have a MagPlar myself. And all I see are nerfs combined with nerfs that were previously distributed beforehand. I wish I would bring a MagPlar in a trial next update. Lmao. That'd be like bringing up in a stamina build to a trial, but maybe even worse.

Well, let me 1st say that I am built for PvP and not PvE...

With that said, I currently run Chudan x2, Combat Physician x5, and Vampire Lord x5 and it performs very well for me (the other bar is for healing and is largely the same, except its Vampire Lord x4 due to having a Resto Staff)...

Like I said, nowhere near a cookie cutter build...

Oh... Oh okay... Yeeeeah. . . Well this is awkward. I suppose that uh... —you've elaborated enough, and I thank you for doing so. All is well, I guess. >_>

Yeah, thats typically the response I get when peeps ask about my build; its highly unusual...

None of those gear sets are highly regarded, but I assure you, that they blend together nicely and have some nice synergies...

The build definitely has some venom to it with the right loadout...

dday3six

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, everyone is upset that nearly every "outside the box" build is being destroyed in one blow.

For a game that has been marketed based on freedom of choice, they sure are intent on forcing everyone into the fewest number of cookie cutter builds possible.

Completely untrue...

I've looked at the patch notes and I dont foresee my Magicka Templar suffering much at all, and I garantee you that I dont run a cookie cutter build...

Are you serious? Can you elaborate for me please, as I have a MagPlar myself. And all I see are nerfs combined with nerfs that were previously distributed beforehand. I wish I would bring a MagPlar in a trial next update. Lmao. That'd be like bringing up in a stamina build to a trial, but maybe even worse.

Well, let me 1st say that I am built for PvP and not PvE...

With that said, I currently run Chudan x2, Combat Physician x5, and Vampire Lord x5 and it performs very well for me (the other bar is for healing and is largely the same, except its Vampire Lord x4 due to having a Resto Staff)...

Like I said, nowhere near a cookie cutter build...

Oh... Oh okay... Yeeeeah. . . Well this is awkward. I suppose that uh... —you've elaborated enough, and I thank you for doing so. All is well, I guess. >_>

Yeah, thats typically the response I get when peeps ask about my build; its highly unusual...

None of those gear sets are highly regarded, but I assure you, that they blend together nicely and have some nice synergies...

The build definitely has some venom to it with the right loadout...

I think it has more to due with Champ talking about Trials in PVE.

Ch4mpTW

dday3six wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

No, everyone is upset that nearly every "outside the box" build is being destroyed in one blow.

For a game that has been marketed based on freedom of choice, they sure are intent on forcing everyone into the fewest number of cookie cutter builds possible.

Completely untrue...

I've looked at the patch notes and I dont foresee my Magicka Templar suffering much at all, and I garantee you that I dont run a cookie cutter build...

Are you serious? Can you elaborate for me please, as I have a MagPlar myself. And all I see are nerfs combined with nerfs that were previously distributed beforehand. I wish I would bring a MagPlar in a trial next update. Lmao. That'd be like bringing up in a stamina build to a trial, but maybe even worse.

Well, let me 1st say that I am built for PvP and not PvE...

With that said, I currently run Chudan x2, Combat Physician x5, and Vampire Lord x5 and it performs very well for me (the other bar is for healing and is largely the same, except its Vampire Lord x4 due to having a Resto Staff)...

Like I said, nowhere near a cookie cutter build...

Oh... Oh okay... Yeeeeah. . . Well this is awkward. I suppose that uh... —you've elaborated enough, and I thank you for doing so. All is well, I guess. >_>

Yeah, thats typically the response I get when peeps ask about my build; its highly unusual...

None of those gear sets are highly regarded, but I assure you, that they blend together nicely and have some nice synergies...

The build definitely has some venom to it with the right loadout...

I think it has more to due with Champ talking about Trials in PVE.

Bingo.

Beardimus

Spot on OP.

People moan on one hand that the only content left for them are the 4 trials because everything is so easy, this will make things harder this more content is viable. But now panic sets in,

Thing they need to realise is the best will still be the best, things will just be harder which is a good thing.

It's like everyone thinks they the only one effected, but the sustain is across the board (those that say Sorcs aren't affected haven't played one, Warring / active defence costs resource) templars moan healing is harder well that's going to impact everyone, its the DPS that will die.

Change is a good thing, and at least this is across the board. Good job ZOS.

dday3six

Beardimus wrote: »

Spot on OP.

People moan on one hand that the only content left for them are the 4 trials because everything is so easy, this will make things harder this more content is viable. But now panic sets in,

Thing they need to realise is the best will still be the best, things will just be harder which is a good thing.

It's like everyone thinks they the only one effected, but the sustain is across the board (those that say Sorcs aren't affected haven't played one, Warring / active defence costs resource) templars moan healing is harder well that's going to impact everyone, its the DPS that will die.

Change is a good thing, and at least this is across the board. Good job ZOS.

I think you're forgetting that dungeons were nerfed repeatedly. It wasn't player power that made them easy, it was the cycle of nerfs.

Enslaved

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

You spend cash on a car. Real, valid, real life cash. You drive it for few years and go to annual service. The dudes in service removes your seat and replaces it with a wooden pike. Also, wheel is removed and steering is regulated by strange mechanism someone on meth designed. Windows are painted black with a spray can, and for some reason unknown, there are no door on passenger seat. And then, OP comes and says " It'll be fine, Learn to Drive, Adapt and overcome, stop freaking out". Sorry, m8, I payed for a functional compact vehicle, not a 3 legged experimental meth designed conceptual "art", save your "pls no rage"bs for another customer.

max_only

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Except for Sorcs.

Sorcs are still the favored son.

They are? So when ZOS kept nerfing MagSorcs back after back, we were the favored son? When they literally nerfed our class defining skill of bolt escape so damn hard, that it's actually broken and doesn't work properly anymore... Is that their form of showing Sorcerers love? When they had us PetSorcs as the base of jokes for MONTHS, and only recently decided to make pet builds able to chill with the meta crowd... Was that ZOS showing their appreciation for Sorcerers? When they clipped our main shield stacking in order to please the PvP crowd, and didn't even once look back... That showed that we are ESO's favorite class?

No. Not at all. Sorcerers have been hit time and time again, and over goofy reasons. The only class that has been nerfed as hard are DK's, and ZOS turned around and outdid themselves by literally gutting Templars. Making Templars now the class that received the harshest nerfs to date, although they didn't receive as many nerfs as Sorcerers and Dragonknights over time. What's different is that rather than keep killing them over time, they just went ahead and nuked Templars damn near 2 patches. The Morrowind patch being the hyper combo finisher. Lol.

Looks like you may have a problem with templars. Yeah templar dps can annoy a lot of people, especially me because i don't play Templar to have high dps numbers like most groups expect.

ANYWAY My concern isn't for ye olde op paladin of yore.

My main concern is for my poor nightblade babies who have always been the runt of the litter. I noticed you didn't mention them in your anti temp rant. When have nightblades been on top? Must have been before my time.



...(Taking away major mending from Templar healers is a little petty though.)

ScooberSteve

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

Awfully arrogant for someone who has been playing since march

ralvdlindenpeb18_ESO

I just hate it that evry time i am making a build they make new patches and then my build is broken thats my main reason why i stop playing eso evry month

GuyNamedSean

Eh. I play a Nightblade tank. I'm not a sap tank, either. I've run nearly the same build since about two weeks after launch when I rerolled from Sorcerer tank. I honestly don't think anything will change me. I don't care if Nightblades get nerfed as long as the game feels balanced afterward. So the meta is going to change? So what? If I can still smoke dungeons like nothing and have a decent time in PvP then I'm fine. I really don't understand the people that have eight characters fully prepared so they can swap around whenever the meta changes. What's the appeal of always playing flavour of the month?

Shadow_Viper_vX

I like how a lot of people seem to be assuming that the Warden is going to be over-powered

KochDerDamonen

Mojmir wrote: »

why shouldn't it be easy mode if you've invested the time and effort to acquire the skills/points/items?

@Mojmir Easy mode was enabled the second you had a few champion points and a templar slave to handle sustain for you

zyk

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

Written like a gamer.

That's not to say it's not fair to comment on changes we may not like, but the sky is not falling. There's a lot about every patch I dislike. I've been salty about nerfs. But the forum activism, rage, etc have gone too far.

When playing MMOs, players can get too caught up in the abstracts -- gear, dps, achievements, loot, etc -- to the point of ignoring good gameplay. When this happens, the game becomes a rat simulator as players focus only on scoring cheese as quickly as possible.

Personally, I despise ezmode. When content becomes too easy, it's painful for me to play it. I'm glad ZOS is taking steps to address it. The game has resource management for a reason. It should be relevant.

lunalitetempler

Calm down Meg!

STEVIL

Enslaved wrote: »

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

You spend cash on a car. Real, valid, real life cash. You drive it for few years and go to annual service. The dudes in service removes your seat and replaces it with a wooden pike. Also, wheel is removed and steering is regulated by strange mechanism someone on meth designed. Windows are painted black with a spray can, and for some reason unknown, there are no door on passenger seat. And then, OP comes and says " It'll be fine, Learn to Drive, Adapt and overcome, stop freaking out". Sorry, m8, I payed for a functional compact vehicle, not a 3 legged experimental meth designed conceptual "art", save your "pls no rage"bs for another customer.

Actually you leased the car with the agreement that they could change it whenever and however they want - just like every other similar dealership has their contracts setup.

That is what you paid for, what you agreed to likely more than once now and you have been thru a great many adjustments and changes over your period of lease renewals (unless you are brand new) and my bet is now and again some of those changes you have liked or benefits from.

So please dont pretend this is about anything you own being changed without your consent - its just about whether or not you like it when changes go the other way.

When you agreed to let the delivery guy pick your meal, that means sometimes you get veggies not always ice cream and if you agreed to clean your plate - better fork that steamed cauliflower fast before the butter pecan melts.

If you want to spend money on a game where you never have to face unwelcome changes - i suggest you look into the world of tabletop RPGs. there as Gm you can make the rules up yourself and alter them at will and ignore any official rules up[dates that don't suit your tastes. As long as you can find players that agree to play that is.

MattT1988

Mojmir wrote: »

why shouldn't it be easy mode if you've invested the time and effort to acquire the skills/points/items?

DHale wrote: »

After playing daily for three years which is what I have done the game should be easy mode.

Why should it?

STEVIL

MattT1988 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

why shouldn't it be easy mode if you've invested the time and effort to acquire the skills/points/items?

DHale wrote: »

After playing daily for three years which is what I have done the game should be easy mode.

Why should it?

well from my point of view the game should have varying degrees of difficulty content and so after you know what you are doing, some of it should be ezmode, some more challenging and on and on until you can have at least some content - not necessarily a lot - that even with time and practice its still tough enough that not everyone can beat it flawlessly every time.


i personally think they have made good strides in this arena with the addition and separation of normal-vet-nard mode for most of the competitive (ie scored) pve stuff. Can always be improved.

All of which has little to do with the fact that the game will evolve and be changed and revised frequently and so "what i did and how i did it|" yesterday will be changed from time to time and some of the "best way to do this" today wont be the same "best way to do this" tomorrow.

that is one of the best parts of a living breathing MMO in my opinion.

if this game were exactly the same as it was at launch just with a few bugs fixed... i doubt i would still be playing.

not because the design was better then or is better now but because it would be rather boring to be doing the same thing the same way after three years.

Then again if it were me, traits and lotsa mechanics would be more externally focused - "best" varies highly by adversary and threat - so there was no "best way to do this" that applied in say more than 1/6 the challenges so that no "one meta" or so could be dominant.

balance to me is best achieved by having "everything be good/best somewhere and nothing be good/best everywhere" and having you adjust significantly as threats change. Instead we have a fairly internally focused build system where your choices are more about "which of the pathways to get to ABC score do i use" and then you take your ABC score against most everything you face.

Velvelya

Translation: I think I'm an omniscient God who can see everyone's thoughts and motives, and I THINK the reason people are upset is because they will lose their ez mode.

Explanation of Translation: Op doesn't know what he's talking about, and is projecting his own thoughts and feelings onto others.


You're welcome.

Mojmir

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

why shouldn't it be easy mode if you've invested the time and effort to acquire the skills/points/items?

@Mojmir Easy mode was enabled the second you had a few champion points and a templar slave to handle sustain for you

Not true,I have a second acct with no cps on purpose. I play all classes besides sorc,which is/was/will still be easy mode.its easy mode for me because I learned how to play,read up on tips,put my time in and made it that way for myself. For zos to punish the players because they implemented the cp system and then pull the rug is absurd.

Blackbird_V

On the bright side, vSO magicka detonation will be *** easy to handle!

Shadow_Viper_vX

Velvelya wrote: »

Translation: I think I'm an omniscient God who can see everyone's thoughts and motives, and I THINK the reason people are upset is because they will lose their ez mode.

Explanation of Translation: Op doesn't know what he's talking about, and is projecting his own thoughts and feelings onto others.


You're welcome.

I love irony!! Thank you!! :-D

zaria

dday3six wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Spot on OP.

People moan on one hand that the only content left for them are the 4 trials because everything is so easy, this will make things harder this more content is viable. But now panic sets in,

Thing they need to realise is the best will still be the best, things will just be harder which is a good thing.

It's like everyone thinks they the only one effected, but the sustain is across the board (those that say Sorcs aren't affected haven't played one, Warring / active defence costs resource) templars moan healing is harder well that's going to impact everyone, its the DPS that will die.

Change is a good thing, and at least this is across the board. Good job ZOS.

I think you're forgetting that dungeons were nerfed repeatedly. It wasn't player power that made them easy, it was the cycle of nerfs.

They was?
Returning after almost two years so really don't know.
As we has gotten so many new dungeons it makes sense that they are scaled in difficulty. Fungal and wayrest up to ICP.

Visigoth

Zvorgin wrote: »

Rolling a warden will still enable easy mode.

This^ sort of. They are making a place for Wardens with the changes they are making to Templar&Dragonknight... I'm not a fan of this shortcut. don't nerf existing Class synergy just so your new class is more appealing... that's a slap in the face to long time loyal players who love those classes. No more Major mending... BoL now a cone heal... Repentance lost all it's group regen... T_T [this along with the changes to resource management, is really going to up the bar for Vet Dungeons] (I'm getting all my Dungeon Drop grinding out of the way before Morrowind drops. you think PUGs are hit or miss now, just wait)

Sovaso

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaa!!

Velvelya

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

I love irony!! Thank you!! :-D

It might have been Irony if I were ASSUMING that was your reasoning behind this thread, but its not an assumption. You actually think you know the "Real" reason everyone is upset.

ookami007

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

Wrong. They are upset because they are nerfing all classes.... EXCEPT Warden. And Warden is hidden behind a paywall.

SilverWF

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

Give us a few examples of your adaptation please.

MehrunesFlagon

RT_Frank wrote: »

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

They're about to lose their easy-mode.

It'll be fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Freaking Out

Oh, I guess I forgot about the part in the patch notes where they also nerfed sorcs hard...

Not afraid of losing easy mode .In fact the only things that I think really need to be reverted is the cost reduction and the orbs/shards,and maybe repent.I'm not a templar btw.

Frenkthevile

Get a life then try again saying that.