The Most Epic Terrible Bad Pug Ever. With Pictures!

Nidro

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

This is why noone of my friends list is using Group finder anymore...
before Dark Brotherhood i used to do so many vet dungeons each day, but they are just dead for me.... and for many others aswell i guess.

Just look at the Thread... its ridicolous you let People like this enter VETERAN DUNGEONS.

they are not even ready for normal dungeons in my opinion..

Please fix this issue...
Veteran Dungeons are basic Content in this game that should be playable with FUN again!!!

Yours Sincerely,

Nidro~~

ArchMikem

This is the first post ive seen with so many Awesomes...

Arthg

Post of the year.

I didn't think this was possible.
I tend to defend pugs in group finder...

This goes beyond awesome...

Brrrofski

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

People don't listen most the time so I stopped.

Did a normal trial and 4 people were DPSing with sword and board. When I told them to use dual wield I got "why? I have 3.2k weapon damage" and "go watch your YouTube builds" and "I'd destroy you in pvp" (which has been proven wrong when I by myself killed him and his mate at a resource they owned ) before getting kicked.

Nah, if you're bad when you're over 300 or so CP you're not going to learn much new. You've had plenty of time. At that point they're too stubborn to listen so vote to kick them or leave.

Thraben

VagabondLife wrote: »

So I've been playing around with my templar alt, and yesterday I decided she was ready to try healing some of the easier vet dungeons. First group finder run, Elden Hollow 1, went very smoothly. Second run I get Darkshade Caverns 1, and I open up the group list to see this:


And that is how it came to this:




This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss, while the tank sulks in a corner by himself, both DPS plink away at a harmless spider, and I pose for screenshots so I can prove I'm not making any of this up. THIS, right here, THIS is what group finder is all about!

And with that... I really need a drink.

That moment when the Clannfear is the best team mate, and Nuhzimeh the most useful

Asardes

Well, this is my first MMO I played but I started tanking dungeons at level 20, and at level 45 I started doing the "silver" undaunted pledges. I started doing the "gold" right at 50/VR1 and the only one I had trouble with for the first 3-4 pledge rotations was City of Ash 2 - which was as hard as it is now (was before the DB nerf). It took me exactly 6 months to reach the CP cap, which was 501 back then. I only got VR16 (CP160) gear just before I reached the cap, because everything was so damned rare - you had to decon gear to get mats to craft, and each piece only gave a single rubedite/rubedo leather/ancestor silk/ruby ash. They were 10x more expensive in guild stores than they are now. Hakeijos were 30-40K a pop, now they can be gotten for 1/3 of that. But back then if you grouped with someone who was VR16 you knew that they knew what they were doing. Now CP600 means absolutely nothing.

If I meet under 50 players or even low CP players who's confused about roles, builds I actually help them, point them to guides, offer to craft gear at discounted prices, teach them about skills etc. But most times I meet someone who's over CP300 and it's bad they more often than not just refuse any help, and the problem only gets worse at that number increases. They just get empowered by that figure and they think they are smart. I've met players just as bad like those in the group in this post and as a result of the past attitudes from such players I have developed 0 tolerance. By reaching that far up and actually learning nothing, and worse, refusing to learn, plainly shows they are just idiots. I despise people who grind CP with a passion. Each time I see messages like "LFG CP grind Skyreach" on Craglorn zone chat that only increases, because I know I'll be meeting some of those knuckleheads further on.

Dragonnord

I hope you don't take this wrong, but all of this, to me, seems premeditated to go against the group tool.

In reading all the "story" with the tank and DPS being that bad, with both DPS doing only light attacks, how the heck you killed the groups of mobs if your DPS were light/heavy attacking one by one? What were the other mobs doing while the DPS were killing one by one and you taking screenshots?

And you know, right from the beginning of the dungeon, that this was going to be hell of a story so you started to take screenshots right from the first mobs group?

More, HOW THE HECK you defeated the bosses with people that, apparently, didn't know what they were doing?

It's not vMoL, nor vRoM or vCoS, not even vICP or vWGT, but it's still a veteran dungeon according to you.

You said your DPS stayed ranged all the time, but you also say they kept running into bosses AoE? All your screenshots show them keeping distance, so how they run into AoE?

Also, at last boss, tank had no damage, your DPSs were doing nothing, hitting spiders, no AoE, you taking screenshots, etc., but boss was already on 72%?

And you killed all the mobs in the area prior to the first boss showing and then killed that boss (the mage/sorcerer boss) that teleports and kind of one shot players? Really? With three persons that didn't have a clue about what they were doing and no resistance nor suvaibility at all? Really?!

And this group with no resistance nor knowledge killed The Hive Lord? LOL!!! Yeah!

Sorry, but don't believe this thread.

VagabondLife

CarbonX wrote: »

And this group with no resistance nor knowledge killed The Hive Lord? LOL!!! Yeah!

Sorry, but don't believe this thread.

No, we killed The Sentinel. You're thinking of the wrong dungeon. Maybe go back and read again.

Dragonnord

VagabondLife wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

And this group with no resistance nor knowledge killed The Hive Lord? LOL!!! Yeah!

Sorry, but don't believe this thread.

No, we killed The Sentinel. You're thinking of the wrong dungeon. Maybe go back and read again.

The Sentinel is the last boss, I said The Hive Lord, it's the big kwama boss during the dungeon.

VagabondLife

CarbonX wrote: »

VagabondLife wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

And this group with no resistance nor knowledge killed The Hive Lord? LOL!!! Yeah!

Sorry, but don't believe this thread.

No, we killed The Sentinel. You're thinking of the wrong dungeon. Maybe go back and read again.

The Sentinel is the last boss, I said The Hive Lord, it's the big kwama boss during the dungeon.

Oh wow I totally forgot about that guy, LOL, sorry! I had to go back to my screenshots to figure out what you meant. Here's that fight:








Honestly, he wasn't any harder than the rest of the dungeon. Trash packs included, LOL. Clannfear held aggro pretty good, and I'm decent at dodge-rolling out of the red. The others weren't, but fortunately I had a LOT of soul gems on hand.

I will say that this whole experience has inspired me to pick up a Necropotence set and start working on a pet build for my main. I'm pretty sure that with Clannfear along, my sorcerer could solo this entire game...

HereKittehKitteh

Normally I hate threads that are people coming to whine about group finder...but oh my god this thread was AWESOME!

Bad times when the merchant is putting out more dps than the dps :')

Vaoh

*bookmarked*

Tinus_92

16k group DPS, thats even doable on a tank.

Impressive run. ^_^

ZOS_JohanaB

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wookiefriseur

Nicely written, enjoyed reading it.

I have had many runs like this and even more tedious ones (sometimes as bad as having 60% of boss dps as healer ..). But despite all that I mostly enjoy dungeon runs, no matter how bad the group is. I tend to just follow the tank and let the DD's die if they run off. If the tank does stupid stuff that might cause wipes I try to explain. Other than that I just lay back and enjoy the ride.

In the harder dungeons I try to explain what to do in more detail. I like to stick around until the end too. The only thing I don't like is toxic players who act as if they knew what they're doing and blame everyone but themselves.

My PUG story:
Had a DD in a random vet dungeon once who was only heavy attacking with resto staff and using mutagen once in a while (maybe a PvP leecher? ^^). I told him he could switch to DD skills if he liked. He insulted me and then said something like: "Well, then I won't do anything anymore! We will see how you will fare then!". And then he went full Gandhi, not attacking the bosses anymore. Funny thing: It made no difference

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

LOL.. the only thing that would make this better is if the Tank was sporting an ice staff....

Why? Frost staff tank in light armor not viable? I'd think that would be better dps than with a classic tank.

FlaviusVoyage

VagabondLife wrote: »

So I've been playing around with my templar alt, and yesterday I decided she was ready to try healing some of the easier vet dungeons. First group finder run, Elden Hollow 1, went very smoothly. Second run I get Darkshade Caverns 1, and I open up the group list to see this:

Cool, I think, this should be easy. Famous last words...

I load into the dungeon, and the tank is already off fighting the first pack of trash, so I don't have a chance to inspect my groupmates, but right away I can tell something is very wrong. Nothing is dying. There's no AoE, at all. I throw down a Blockade and some Shards, and immediately everything is trying to eat my face off. Apparently there's no taunting, either.

The tank doesn't seem to notice, and just keeps grabbing more mobs. One of the DPS keeps going out of range and every time I move back to try to get him, he moves back too. Meantime the tank has run off to the next room, so I abandon the wayward DPS and race after the tank, passing someone's Clannfear on the way - wait, why is there a Clannfear? Then somehow the missing DPS is right in front of me, except it's not, it's someone's MERCHANT wandering through the fight, and why is everything still trying to eat me, and also where the hell is the other DPS???

So before the next trash pack, I take a moment to breathe, and look at the DPS, and I see this:




They are both ranged magicka, both have staves, and are both wearing full heavy armor - yet somehow only have 20k and 22k HP. With the tank wearing Ebon. Maybe, I think hopefully, they're both wearing costumes, and they have a proper set of robes on underneath? Of course, that doesn't explain the Clannfear, or the merchant. I sort-of-lightheartedly ask in group chat if we can put away the merchant and switch to a DPS pet. The templar responds with "Lol." The sorcerer says nothing, and the tank simply races on ahead. I sigh and follow. This is going to be a long haul.




Here's a picture of me, watching the next trash fight in amazement. Since the tank isn't actually taunting anything, everyone is just left to fight their own mobs, one-on-one. Well, except for Nuzhimeh, who mostly just stands around looking bored. I honestly can't blame her. Clannfear is somehow managing to kill his mob faster than the sorcerer is. And of course the templar, who is doing nothing but heavy attacks with a Resto staff, is killing his mob the fastest of all.

So eventually we get to the Patriarch. Well, I think, at least this one will be easy. It's one mob and he doesn't move, how bad could the group damage really be?




Answer: Bad. Really bad. Of course this probably has something to do with it:




Yup, there's BOTH of our damage dealers, heavy attacking like their lives depend on it. I have yet to see either of them use a single skill, and I begin to wonder if their bars could actually be completely empty. Is it possible to get to CP 561/600 without ever opening your Skills menu?

Finally, we get to the last boss. Despite their heavy armor, both of the DPS are squishy as hell, and have been getting regularly one-shot the entire run. I can't imagine where they've put their 600 CP, but it clearly wasn't into any sort of damage mitigation. It doesn't help that they've apparently never seen Healing Springs before and keep fleeing out of my green circle, straight into the boss's red one. And the templar absolutely refuses to stay at anything less than max range. Here's me trying (and failing) to keep heals on both the templar and the tank:




So of course on the first try, someone reads the scroll without asking, and we wipe almost immediately. We try again, normal mode this time, and wipe a few more times. Almost all of them end like this:




It's kinda hard to see behind the death recap there, but that's basically the sole surviving group member, the sorcerer, hiding behind his merchant while Clannfear tries valiantly to solo the boss. (He might have made it, too, if the sorcerer had ever bothered to throw him a heal. I don't think he knew he could.)

A few more tries in, I suddenly realize that it's just me and the tank on the boss - both DPS are nowhere to be seen. Eventually I spot the templar hiding in the bushes on the opposite end of the room, light attacking away at a random spider add, which isn't remotely close enough to the boss to heal him. Well, at least he's not taking any damage over there, because I'm starting to run out of soul gems for this guy. Pretty soon the sorcerer follows his lead, making a run for the bushes with Clannfear and Nuhzimeh trailing along behind. And that's when I realize that the tank doesn't actually have aggro, as the boss proceeds to follow Clannfear across the room, abandoning the tank completely.

And that is how it came to this:




This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss, while the tank sulks in a corner by himself, both DPS plink away at a harmless spider, and I pose for screenshots so I can prove I'm not making any of this up. THIS, right here, THIS is what group finder is all about!

And with that... I really need a drink.

This is indeed epic!

Can I buy you a drink, OP? You certainly deserve one after this.

cyclonus11

Glad to know there are people who are worse at the game than me. lol

Peekachu99

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

But some people are just hopeless and/ or don't give a fart. You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn, and more often than not a polite: "May I offer a suggestion?" turns into a vote-kick or a torrent of abuse. Other day, I had a NB healer who wasn't even using sap essence, hadn't even heard of the skill and was 600+ CP who raged out when I politely asked if he could pop it on, or even Mutagen to keep the dps who kept dying alive. The only healing skill he ever used the whole instance was Blood Altar. I got called a "N-lover and F-ggot". Those were the kindest of the explicatives. Oh, and he had his kid in the room listening to his asshattery, too.

There are good pugs, bad pugs who want to be good, and then just rotten people. Don't waste your pleasantness or time on the last group.

altemriel

@VagabondLife

Well, this one must say, that while she does not enjoy when people seem to be elitist, or hard-core player fashists, this story of yours made her laugh. There seem to be people, who just play the game, without caring about any theory or guides. That is life too man .

Holding her belly while ROFLing
Maoimii the Cat

anitajoneb17_ESO

@VagabondLife : I stopped reading the comments after page 2 because they spoiled me the pleasure of reading your original post. Nice storytelling ! Thank you for the fun !

(I'm not sure whether the "experience" left a big smile on your face, or a sour taste in your mouth, but it sure was worth it if it made you write such a nice post. If only everyone was able to put such a sense of humour into their game experience, this community would be the best across the entire web )

Vanryth

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Skyreach grinders detected lol.

That's why we shouldn't encourage new players to grind xp.

haha, exactly. i was helping some random guy too, he had basically no clue about even how the skill system works,... until cp100+ whatever. lmao, DON'T do it.

Anlaemar

I feel you. Literally had this happen to me earlier today on my healer, though I didn't get screenshots (I just wanted to move on and forget).

Went into nCoS. Not very hard. I've 2 manned it with my wife healing. Saw the tank had 15k health. Honestly thought it was another DPS queing at a tank. I've honestly done that for normals as there isn't a need for tanks. Well, he wasn't a DPS, he was tanking and using drinks.

The DPS was level 14 and the other CP450'ish. I'm not one of those guys who care about levels, so I kept rolling since I figured the other DPS would be enough (I can solo most normals).

First pull, though everyone passed ready, still took a couple minutes to start because tank refused to pull. I go ahead and pull, not a huge deal. Tank taunts one guy and leaves the rest, just spamming Funnel Health on it (nothing against NB Tanks). The CP450 DPS spams the same and doing no damage. The level 14 was actually doing more damage and was actually using AOE.

Same thing happened with every pull. Somehow the first boss was taken out. Second boss everything fell apart. Two wipes in the level 14 says he'll drop so we can get a better DPS. Felt really sorry for him and said it isn't even his fault. I called the tank out and how much health he has, he didn't say anything and just dropped. Then the 450 DPS dropped. Maybe they were friends?

Can't say I tried, though.

I have patience, but please don't tank with 15k health (less HP than min/max DPS) and expect me to constantly have to heal you. If you're DPS, trash pulls require AOE unless you're doing vet dungs/trials that have kill priorities. Healers heal. If everyone does what they're suppose to do everything falls into place even with low DPS.

disintegr8

Wonderful pugs.....

Had a player once in vet COA 1 who cracked the sads when we let ourselves die because he rushed in without letting anyone think about reading the scrolls. He put up a brave fight after we died but the end was inevitable. After the wipe, we read the scroll and waited for him to get up. When he didn't, someone res'd him, which he refused to accept.

I am not a regular scroll reader, it will depend on the group and I will go with the majority if it comes to the vote. In this case, no deaths to here, one of the easiest vet final bosses and I have two manned this before.

So we start the fight, try another res on him to see if he accepts, which he didn't, so we 3 manned it, death free. After the boss was dead and he decided to get up, we did a vote to kick and had him removed from the dungeon before he could fully res and loot the boss.

Betsararie

This was hilarious. Best read on the forum yet! My hat off to you sir!

These are some hilariously bad players

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

Nope, @Emothic that's where you're wrong.

I am not disrespecting you as a player, but you are missing the fact that players this bad will never learn. They will never learn. They can't be educated on how to play and if someone tried to educate them, they wouldn't listen and wouldn't get the concepts.

They are a lost cause. If you are at CP 600 and this bad you are a lost cause.

OP did the 100% correct thing to stop trying to guide them when he realized it was hopeless, and then proceed to take screen caps and mock them in this thread. And what a glorious thread it was!

Cously

As a DK Tank I entered a grope finder dungeon once, the healer was a templar yay but he had a bow. One of the DPS had more health than me, the other had no food at all. I said to myself: "Why not? I could use some punishment tonight!" and give it a go because frankly I was curious what would happen there. I tried my best but couldn't stomach it so I left the party once the healer blamed me for not holding aggro on the 3 pulls the reckless large health DPS did. I asked why he kept spamming bombard and not heals, he said he did but he ran out of magicka, he said he had 10k magicka...story of my life. I don't feel sorry for pugs or bad players...before I touch any MMO I try to acquire as much information to my class as possible and before stepping on any dungeon I make sure to watch a video of it for basic mechanics. It takes 5 minutes people...

zaria

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@VagabondLife : I stopped reading the comments after page 2 because they spoiled me the pleasure of reading your original post. Nice storytelling ! Thank you for the fun !

(I'm not sure whether the "experience" left a big smile on your face, or a sour taste in your mouth, but it sure was worth it if it made you write such a nice post. If only everyone was able to put such a sense of humour into their game experience, this community would be the best across the entire web )

Probably mostly *** an horror move, can this get worse.
Will the clanfear ask for an vote kick of the sorc?

t3hdubzy

Finally a thread we can all agree on.

Xsorus

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

Know what happens when you do that?

"i'll play how I want"

99% of the time that is the answer you're going to get.

Betsararie

Cously wrote: »

As a DK Tank I entered a grope finder dungeon once, the healer was a templar yay but he had a bow. One of the DPS had more health than me, the other had no food at all. I said to myself: "Why not? I could use some punishment tonight!" and give it a go because frankly I was curious what would happen there. I tried my best but couldn't stomach it so I left the party once the healer blamed me for not holding aggro on the 3 pulls the reckless large health DPS did. I asked why he kept spamming bombard and not heals, he said he did but he ran out of magicka, he said he had 10k magicka...story of my life. I don't feel sorry for pugs or bad players...before I touch any MMO I try to acquire as much information to my class as possible and before stepping on any dungeon I make sure to watch a video of it for basic mechanics. It takes 5 minutes people...

I do the same thing.

I spent multiple hours at work each day during my first week of playing reading about the mechanics of the game, introductory guides, forum posts, etc in order to become acclimated to the game so I knew how to play.

I researched leveling builds, crafting, skill points, class, race, etc. I did large amounts of reading so that I would be informed. And I am still doing further research today.

That is why if I am grouping with someone and they don't appear to have any organized strategy, or even know their class, I have no respect for them. I don't respect that.

Betsararie

Xsorus wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

Know what happens when you do that?

"i'll play how I want"

99% of the time that is the answer you're going to get.

Nothing like bathing in ignorance... oh jeez...