Classic. Youve got some patience I'll give you that.
Dark_Aether wrote: »@Dark_Aether, it's beautiful sentiment... But I still disagreeThe abyss is still too deep here, imo.
You don't use blockade instead Forse Shock/Pulse, you use it with itSo at this point OP still needed to explain basic game mechanics. "Guys, there are DoTs. Damage over Time effects. All good DD should use them". "Ok, so, you need 2 bars and do barswap. So, sorc. Use blockade and liquid then spam force pulse, then crystal frags if proc... Oh shi... you don't yet have frag morph, 'cause you didn't bother... and oh shi... you don't skill point for blockade... Ok, what's your Ult? You don't have Ult, omg, you kidding me...".
Vet dung is not the place for this. Like really. If I saw this on normal - "hey, guys, wanna some tips?". Vet dung with 500cp? This case is most probably hopeless.
If this guy honestly wanted to learn, if he understood that he needs to learn... He won't go on vet.
EDIT: grammar
I do agree that it is no one's responsibility to teach the game to others, not everyone has the time or patience for that.
OP did not emphasizes if he tried to help them or not. If he did, then that is what the story should be about, how bad they are and not willing to take advice to get better.
If he did not then that is what I have a problem with. If you cannot bother to help others, you should not bother to make forum post about how bad they are. You quit the group and move on.
VagabondLife wrote: »VagabondLife wrote: »
The Sentinel is the last boss, I said The Hive Lord, it's the big kwama boss during the dungeon.
Oh wow I totally forgot about that guy, LOL, sorry! I had to go back to my screenshots to figure out what you meant. Here's that fight:
Honestly, he wasn't any harder than the rest of the dungeon. Trash packs included, LOL. Clannfear held aggro pretty good, and I'm decent at dodge-rolling out of the red. The others weren't, but fortunately I had a LOT of soul gems on hand.
I will say that this whole experience has inspired me to pick up a Necropotence set and start working on a pet build for my main. I'm pretty sure that with Clannfear along, my sorcerer could solo this entire game...
ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »Several comments have been removed from the thread for off topic conversation. Please keep the discussion concentrated on the topic at hand. Additionally we ask that you respect one another and refrain from baiting and rude comments please review the community rules to make sure you're following them as the conversation continues.
I spent multiple hours at work each day during my first week of playing reading about the mechanics of the game, introductory guides, forum posts, etc in order to become acclimated to the game so I knew how to play.
You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.
Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.
So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.
Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »Several comments have been removed from the thread for off topic conversation. Please keep the discussion concentrated on the topic at hand. Additionally we ask that you respect one another and refrain from baiting and rude comments please review the community rules to make sure you're following them as the conversation continues.
Kind of ironic though because this thread is all about taunting how bad the players in this group are...
Although it's amusing to read, the thread itself goes against what you just said.
LOL.. the only thing that would make this better is if the Tank was sporting an ice staff....
VagabondLife wrote: »So I've been playing around with my templar alt, and yesterday I decided she was ready to try healing some of the easier vet dungeons. First group finder run, Elden Hollow 1, went very smoothly. Second run I get Darkshade Caverns 1, and I open up the group list to see this:
Cool, I think, this should be easy. Famous last words...
I load into the dungeon, and the tank is already off fighting the first pack of trash, so I don't have a chance to inspect my groupmates, but right away I can tell something is very wrong. Nothing is dying. There's no AoE, at all. I throw down a Blockade and some Shards, and immediately everything is trying to eat my face off. Apparently there's no taunting, either.
The tank doesn't seem to notice, and just keeps grabbing more mobs. One of the DPS keeps going out of range and every time I move back to try to get him, he moves back too. Meantime the tank has run off to the next room, so I abandon the wayward DPS and race after the tank, passing someone's Clannfear on the way - wait, why is there a Clannfear? Then somehow the missing DPS is right in front of me, except it's not, it's someone's MERCHANT wandering through the fight, and why is everything still trying to eat me, and also where the hell is the other DPS???
So before the next trash pack, I take a moment to breathe, and look at the DPS, and I see this:
They are both ranged magicka, both have staves, and are both wearing full heavy armor - yet somehow only have 20k and 22k HP. With the tank wearing Ebon. Maybe, I think hopefully, they're both wearing costumes, and they have a proper set of robes on underneath? Of course, that doesn't explain the Clannfear, or the merchant. I sort-of-lightheartedly ask in group chat if we can put away the merchant and switch to a DPS pet. The templar responds with "Lol." The sorcerer says nothing, and the tank simply races on ahead. I sigh and follow. This is going to be a long haul.
Here's a picture of me, watching the next trash fight in amazement. Since the tank isn't actually taunting anything, everyone is just left to fight their own mobs, one-on-one. Well, except for Nuzhimeh, who mostly just stands around looking bored. I honestly can't blame her. Clannfear is somehow managing to kill his mob faster than the sorcerer is. And of course the templar, who is doing nothing but heavy attacks with a Resto staff, is killing his mob the fastest of all.
So eventually we get to the Patriarch. Well, I think, at least this one will be easy. It's one mob and he doesn't move, how bad could the group damage really be?
Answer: Bad. Really bad. Of course this probably has something to do with it:
Yup, there's BOTH of our damage dealers, heavy attacking like their lives depend on it. I have yet to see either of them use a single skill, and I begin to wonder if their bars could actually be completely empty. Is it possible to get to CP 561/600 without ever opening your Skills menu?
Finally, we get to the last boss. Despite their heavy armor, both of the DPS are squishy as hell, and have been getting regularly one-shot the entire run. I can't imagine where they've put their 600 CP, but it clearly wasn't into any sort of damage mitigation. It doesn't help that they've apparently never seen Healing Springs before and keep fleeing out of my green circle, straight into the boss's red one. And the templar absolutely refuses to stay at anything less than max range. Here's me trying (and failing) to keep heals on both the templar and the tank:
So of course on the first try, someone reads the scroll without asking, and we wipe almost immediately. We try again, normal mode this time, and wipe a few more times. Almost all of them end like this:
It's kinda hard to see behind the death recap there, but that's basically the sole surviving group member, the sorcerer, hiding behind his merchant while Clannfear tries valiantly to solo the boss. (He might have made it, too, if the sorcerer had ever bothered to throw him a heal. I don't think he knew he could.)
A few more tries in, I suddenly realize that it's just me and the tank on the boss - both DPS are nowhere to be seen. Eventually I spot the templar hiding in the bushes on the opposite end of the room, light attacking away at a random spider add, which isn't remotely close enough to the boss to heal him. Well, at least he's not taking any damage over there, because I'm starting to run out of soul gems for this guy. Pretty soon the sorcerer follows his lead, making a run for the bushes with Clannfear and Nuhzimeh trailing along behind. And that's when I realize that the tank doesn't actually have aggro, as the boss proceeds to follow Clannfear across the room, abandoning the tank completely.
And that is how it came to this:
This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss, while the tank sulks in a corner by himself, both DPS plink away at a harmless spider, and I pose for screenshots so I can prove I'm not making any of this up. THIS, right here, THIS is what group finder is all about!
And with that... I really need a drink.
VagabondLife wrote: »Or maybe they just trolled you and tank, trying to see how long would it take for you guys to leave group. There are ppl like that...
If that's the case, I'm betting they were sorry. Once we got the boss down past 50% I basically refused to let anyone stay dead. We were gonna kill this thing, and that was that.
Here's the conversation after we were done:
Tank: Was that on hard mode?
Me: Not for you guys. I think for me it was.
Tank: *leaves group without answering*
Sorcerer: *leaves group without answering*
Templar: *does a /playlute and asks me if I want to dance*
Me: *logs off and pours myself a double shot*
This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss,
VagabondLife wrote: »So I've been playing around with my templar alt, and yesterday I decided she was ready to try healing some of the easier vet dungeons. First group finder run, Elden Hollow 1, went very smoothly. Second run I get Darkshade Caverns 1, and I open up the group list to see this:
Cool, I think, this should be easy. Famous last words...
I load into the dungeon, and the tank is already off fighting the first pack of trash, so I don't have a chance to inspect my groupmates, but right away I can tell something is very wrong. Nothing is dying. There's no AoE, at all. I throw down a Blockade and some Shards, and immediately everything is trying to eat my face off. Apparently there's no taunting, either.
The tank doesn't seem to notice, and just keeps grabbing more mobs. One of the DPS keeps going out of range and every time I move back to try to get him, he moves back too. Meantime the tank has run off to the next room, so I abandon the wayward DPS and race after the tank, passing someone's Clannfear on the way - wait, why is there a Clannfear? Then somehow the missing DPS is right in front of me, except it's not, it's someone's MERCHANT wandering through the fight, and why is everything still trying to eat me, and also where the hell is the other DPS???
So before the next trash pack, I take a moment to breathe, and look at the DPS, and I see this:
They are both ranged magicka, both have staves, and are both wearing full heavy armor - yet somehow only have 20k and 22k HP. With the tank wearing Ebon. Maybe, I think hopefully, they're both wearing costumes, and they have a proper set of robes on underneath? Of course, that doesn't explain the Clannfear, or the merchant. I sort-of-lightheartedly ask in group chat if we can put away the merchant and switch to a DPS pet. The templar responds with "Lol." The sorcerer says nothing, and the tank simply races on ahead. I sigh and follow. This is going to be a long haul.
Here's a picture of me, watching the next trash fight in amazement. Since the tank isn't actually taunting anything, everyone is just left to fight their own mobs, one-on-one. Well, except for Nuzhimeh, who mostly just stands around looking bored. I honestly can't blame her. Clannfear is somehow managing to kill his mob faster than the sorcerer is. And of course the templar, who is doing nothing but heavy attacks with a Resto staff, is killing his mob the fastest of all.
So eventually we get to the Patriarch. Well, I think, at least this one will be easy. It's one mob and he doesn't move, how bad could the group damage really be?
Answer: Bad. Really bad. Of course this probably has something to do with it:
Yup, there's BOTH of our damage dealers, heavy attacking like their lives depend on it. I have yet to see either of them use a single skill, and I begin to wonder if their bars could actually be completely empty. Is it possible to get to CP 561/600 without ever opening your Skills menu?
Finally, we get to the last boss. Despite their heavy armor, both of the DPS are squishy as hell, and have been getting regularly one-shot the entire run. I can't imagine where they've put their 600 CP, but it clearly wasn't into any sort of damage mitigation. It doesn't help that they've apparently never seen Healing Springs before and keep fleeing out of my green circle, straight into the boss's red one. And the templar absolutely refuses to stay at anything less than max range. Here's me trying (and failing) to keep heals on both the templar and the tank:
So of course on the first try, someone reads the scroll without asking, and we wipe almost immediately. We try again, normal mode this time, and wipe a few more times. Almost all of them end like this:
It's kinda hard to see behind the death recap there, but that's basically the sole surviving group member, the sorcerer, hiding behind his merchant while Clannfear tries valiantly to solo the boss. (He might have made it, too, if the sorcerer had ever bothered to throw him a heal. I don't think he knew he could.)
A few more tries in, I suddenly realize that it's just me and the tank on the boss - both DPS are nowhere to be seen. Eventually I spot the templar hiding in the bushes on the opposite end of the room, light attacking away at a random spider add, which isn't remotely close enough to the boss to heal him. Well, at least he's not taking any damage over there, because I'm starting to run out of soul gems for this guy. Pretty soon the sorcerer follows his lead, making a run for the bushes with Clannfear and Nuhzimeh trailing along behind. And that's when I realize that the tank doesn't actually have aggro, as the boss proceeds to follow Clannfear across the room, abandoning the tank completely.
And that is how it came to this:
This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss, while the tank sulks in a corner by himself, both DPS plink away at a harmless spider, and I pose for screenshots so I can prove I'm not making any of this up. THIS, right here, THIS is what group finder is all about!
And with that... I really need a drink.
VagabondLife wrote: »So I've been playing around with my templar alt, and yesterday I decided she was ready to try healing some of the easier vet dungeons. First group finder run, Elden Hollow 1, went very smoothly. Second run I get Darkshade Caverns 1, and I open up the group list to see this:
Cool, I think, this should be easy. Famous last words...
I load into the dungeon, and the tank is already off fighting the first pack of trash, so I don't have a chance to inspect my groupmates, but right away I can tell something is very wrong. Nothing is dying. There's no AoE, at all. I throw down a Blockade and some Shards, and immediately everything is trying to eat my face off. Apparently there's no taunting, either.
The tank doesn't seem to notice, and just keeps grabbing more mobs. One of the DPS keeps going out of range and every time I move back to try to get him, he moves back too. Meantime the tank has run off to the next room, so I abandon the wayward DPS and race after the tank, passing someone's Clannfear on the way - wait, why is there a Clannfear? Then somehow the missing DPS is right in front of me, except it's not, it's someone's MERCHANT wandering through the fight, and why is everything still trying to eat me, and also where the hell is the other DPS???
So before the next trash pack, I take a moment to breathe, and look at the DPS, and I see this:
They are both ranged magicka, both have staves, and are both wearing full heavy armor - yet somehow only have 20k and 22k HP. With the tank wearing Ebon. Maybe, I think hopefully, they're both wearing costumes, and they have a proper set of robes on underneath? Of course, that doesn't explain the Clannfear, or the merchant. I sort-of-lightheartedly ask in group chat if we can put away the merchant and switch to a DPS pet. The templar responds with "Lol." The sorcerer says nothing, and the tank simply races on ahead. I sigh and follow. This is going to be a long haul.
Here's a picture of me, watching the next trash fight in amazement. Since the tank isn't actually taunting anything, everyone is just left to fight their own mobs, one-on-one. Well, except for Nuzhimeh, who mostly just stands around looking bored. I honestly can't blame her. Clannfear is somehow managing to kill his mob faster than the sorcerer is. And of course the templar, who is doing nothing but heavy attacks with a Resto staff, is killing his mob the fastest of all.
So eventually we get to the Patriarch. Well, I think, at least this one will be easy. It's one mob and he doesn't move, how bad could the group damage really be?
Answer: Bad. Really bad. Of course this probably has something to do with it:
Yup, there's BOTH of our damage dealers, heavy attacking like their lives depend on it. I have yet to see either of them use a single skill, and I begin to wonder if their bars could actually be completely empty. Is it possible to get to CP 561/600 without ever opening your Skills menu?
Finally, we get to the last boss. Despite their heavy armor, both of the DPS are squishy as hell, and have been getting regularly one-shot the entire run. I can't imagine where they've put their 600 CP, but it clearly wasn't into any sort of damage mitigation. It doesn't help that they've apparently never seen Healing Springs before and keep fleeing out of my green circle, straight into the boss's red one. And the templar absolutely refuses to stay at anything less than max range. Here's me trying (and failing) to keep heals on both the templar and the tank:
So of course on the first try, someone reads the scroll without asking, and we wipe almost immediately. We try again, normal mode this time, and wipe a few more times. Almost all of them end like this:
It's kinda hard to see behind the death recap there, but that's basically the sole surviving group member, the sorcerer, hiding behind his merchant while Clannfear tries valiantly to solo the boss. (He might have made it, too, if the sorcerer had ever bothered to throw him a heal. I don't think he knew he could.)
A few more tries in, I suddenly realize that it's just me and the tank on the boss - both DPS are nowhere to be seen. Eventually I spot the templar hiding in the bushes on the opposite end of the room, light attacking away at a random spider add, which isn't remotely close enough to the boss to heal him. Well, at least he's not taking any damage over there, because I'm starting to run out of soul gems for this guy. Pretty soon the sorcerer follows his lead, making a run for the bushes with Clannfear and Nuhzimeh trailing along behind. And that's when I realize that the tank doesn't actually have aggro, as the boss proceeds to follow Clannfear across the room, abandoning the tank completely.
And that is how it came to this:
This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss, while the tank sulks in a corner by himself, both DPS plink away at a harmless spider, and I pose for screenshots so I can prove I'm not making any of this up. THIS, right here, THIS is what group finder is all about!
And with that... I really need a drink.