The Most Epic Terrible Bad Pug Ever. With Pictures!

SickDuck

Oh how I wish to find a group where DDs do more than 10-times my damage when on a healer

Violynne

I see myself in this scenario. The Elder Scrolls foretold of it.

Hopefully, it will be of me taking the screenshots, not the coward in the bushes. The scroll did not say.

Pug?

MrSaxon

I have to admit that the suddenly unexplained appearance by a merchant half-way through your tale made me chuckle.

Dark_Aether

I have to point out, in the second pic, the guy on the right behind the merchant is wearing a heavy chest but I see at least 5 light bosmer pieces on him (head, belt, hands, legs and feet.) In pics 3 and 6, I am fairly certain that beam is Focus Shock from destro skill line, so at least one person was not just heavy attacking.

Don't get me wrong, it is a terrible group but it seems like you do not tell or even changed some facts. Maybe with a little advice, they could have done better.

But you did this whole thing for a good story, didn't you?

Eweroun

must be some PVP'ers gathering Undaunted points

FlyLionel

I get something like this ocassionally, maybe the group finder can que good players with good players more often than useless 'tanks'

VagabondLife

Dark_Aether wrote: »

I have to point out, in the second pic, the guy on the right behind the merchant is wearing a heavy chest but I see at least 5 light bosmer pieces on him (head, belt, hands, legs and feet.) In pics 3 and 6, I am fairly certain that beam is Focus Shock from destro skill line, so at least one person was not just heavy attacking.

Don't get me wrong, it is a terrible group but it seems like you do not tell or even changed some facts. Maybe with a little advice, they could have done better.

But you did this whole thing for a good story, didn't you?

Well, yeah. I think it's a pretty good story. But I also did it because I was bored. It took these guys at least 5 minutes to kill EACH trash pack, and after the first few I stopped trying to do any damage, because all I had was AoE and since nothing was being taunted, it just made me the de facto tank. And DPS. As well as the actual healer. On my second-ever vet healing run. So I stopped trying to do damage, and then I had nothing left to do but take amusing pictures.

And no, Force Shock is not a beam, it's just a pulse of light. Those beam attacks you're seeing are Resto heavy attacks.

When I looked at my screenshots afterwards, I was amazed at how clear everything was and how much I could see. Then I realized - there's literally not one speck of AoE in ANY picture I took of the entire run.

SMH...

timidobserver

Screenshots appreciated. I wouldn't have believed your story otherwise.

Wifeaggro13

VagabondLife wrote: »

So I've been playing around with my templar alt, and yesterday I decided she was ready to try healing some of the easier vet dungeons. First group finder run, Elden Hollow 1, went very smoothly. Second run I get Darkshade Caverns 1, and I open up the group list to see this:




Cool, I think, this should be easy. Famous last words...

I load into the dungeon, and the tank is already off fighting the first pack of trash, so I don't have a chance to inspect my groupmates, but right away I can tell something is very wrong. Nothing is dying. There's no AoE, at all. I throw down a Blockade and some Shards, and immediately everything is trying to eat my face off. Apparently there's no taunting, either.

The tank doesn't seem to notice, and just keeps grabbing more mobs. One of the DPS keeps going out of range and every time I move back to try to get him, he moves back too. Meantime the tank has run off to the next room, so I abandon the wayward DPS and race after the tank, passing someone's Clannfear on the way - wait, why is there a Clannfear? Then somehow the missing DPS is right in front of me, except it's not, it's someone's MERCHANT wandering through the fight, and why is everything still trying to eat me, and also where the hell is the other DPS???

So before the next trash pack, I take a moment to breathe, and look at the DPS, and I see this:




They are both ranged magicka, both have staves, and are both wearing full heavy armor - yet somehow only have 20k and 22k HP. With the tank wearing Ebon. Maybe, I think hopefully, they're both wearing costumes, and they have a proper set of robes on underneath? Of course, that doesn't explain the Clannfear, or the merchant. I sort-of-lightheartedly ask in group chat if we can put away the merchant and switch to a DPS pet. The templar responds with "Lol." The sorcerer says nothing, and the tank simply races on ahead. I sigh and follow. This is going to be a long haul.




Here's a picture of me, watching the next trash fight in amazement. Since the tank isn't actually taunting anything, everyone is just left to fight their own mobs, one-on-one. Well, except for Nuzhimeh, who mostly just stands around looking bored. I honestly can't blame her. Clannfear is somehow managing to kill his mob faster than the sorcerer is. And of course the templar, who is doing nothing but heavy attacks with a Resto staff, is killing his mob the fastest of all.

So eventually we get to the Patriarch. Well, I think, at least this one will be easy. It's one mob and he doesn't move, how bad could the group damage really be?




Answer: Bad. Really bad. Of course this probably has something to do with it:




Yup, there's BOTH of our damage dealers, heavy attacking like their lives depend on it. I have yet to see either of them use a single skill, and I begin to wonder if their bars could actually be completely empty. Is it possible to get to CP 561/600 without ever opening your Skills menu?

Finally, we get to the last boss. Despite their heavy armor, both of the DPS are squishy as hell, and have been getting regularly one-shot the entire run. I can't imagine where they've put their 600 CP, but it clearly wasn't into any sort of damage mitigation. It doesn't help that they've apparently never seen Healing Springs before and keep fleeing out of my green circle, straight into the boss's red one. And the templar absolutely refuses to stay at anything less than max range. Here's me trying (and failing) to keep heals on both the templar and the tank:




So of course on the first try, someone reads the scroll without asking, and we wipe almost immediately. We try again, normal mode this time, and wipe a few more times. Almost all of them end like this:




It's kinda hard to see behind the death recap there, but that's basically the sole surviving group member, the sorcerer, hiding behind his merchant while Clannfear tries valiantly to solo the boss. (He might have made it, too, if the sorcerer had ever bothered to throw him a heal. I don't think he knew he could.)

A few more tries in, I suddenly realize that it's just me and the tank on the boss - both DPS are nowhere to be seen. Eventually I spot the templar hiding in the bushes on the opposite end of the room, light attacking away at a random spider add, which isn't remotely close enough to the boss to heal him. Well, at least he's not taking any damage over there, because I'm starting to run out of soul gems for this guy. Pretty soon the sorcerer follows his lead, making a run for the bushes with Clannfear and Nuhzimeh trailing along behind. And that's when I realize that the tank doesn't actually have aggro, as the boss proceeds to follow Clannfear across the room, abandoning the tank completely.

And that is how it came to this:




This, folks, right here. Clannfear and Nuzhimeh killing the boss, while the tank sulks in a corner by himself, both DPS plink away at a harmless spider, and I pose for screenshots so I can prove I'm not making any of this up. THIS, right here, THIS is what group finder is all about!

And with that... I really need a drink.

this is what happens when you design a game around special snow flakes, hand out participation loot, and nerf content into face roll status with no progression until you hit vet trials. The community that actually played the MMO parts of ESO have long since left. you are left with Matt Firor's Online RPG community...... ohhh joy

Dark_Aether

VagabondLife wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

I have to point out, in the second pic, the guy on the right behind the merchant is wearing a heavy chest but I see at least 5 light bosmer pieces on him (head, belt, hands, legs and feet.) In pics 3 and 6, I am fairly certain that beam is Focus Shock from destro skill line, so at least one person was not just heavy attacking.

Don't get me wrong, it is a terrible group but it seems like you do not tell or even changed some facts. Maybe with a little advice, they could have done better.

But you did this whole thing for a good story, didn't you?

Well, yeah. I think it's a pretty good story. But I also did it because I was bored. It took these guys at least 5 minutes to kill EACH trash pack, and after the first few I stopped trying to do any damage, because all I had was AoE and since nothing was being taunted, it just made me the de facto tank. And DPS. As well as the actual healer. On my second-ever vet healing run. So I stopped trying to do damage, and then I had nothing left to do but take amusing pictures.

And no, Force Shock is not a beam, it's just a pulse of light. Those beam attacks you're seeing are Resto heavy attacks.

When I looked at my screenshots afterwards, I was amazed at how clear everything was and how much I could see. Then I realized - there's literally not one speck of AoE in ANY picture I took of the entire run.

SMH...

Here is a quick video of Crushing Shock, one of the morphs of Force Shock. Now I doubt you more since it seems like you don't know what the skills look like. Not attacking you, just looking at all the angles of your story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6NP3eVTQI

They look similar don't they?

VagabondLife

Dark_Aether wrote: »

VagabondLife wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

I have to point out, in the second pic, the guy on the right behind the merchant is wearing a heavy chest but I see at least 5 light bosmer pieces on him (head, belt, hands, legs and feet.) In pics 3 and 6, I am fairly certain that beam is Focus Shock from destro skill line, so at least one person was not just heavy attacking.

Don't get me wrong, it is a terrible group but it seems like you do not tell or even changed some facts. Maybe with a little advice, they could have done better.

But you did this whole thing for a good story, didn't you?

Well, yeah. I think it's a pretty good story. But I also did it because I was bored. It took these guys at least 5 minutes to kill EACH trash pack, and after the first few I stopped trying to do any damage, because all I had was AoE and since nothing was being taunted, it just made me the de facto tank. And DPS. As well as the actual healer. On my second-ever vet healing run. So I stopped trying to do damage, and then I had nothing left to do but take amusing pictures.

And no, Force Shock is not a beam, it's just a pulse of light. Those beam attacks you're seeing are Resto heavy attacks.

When I looked at my screenshots afterwards, I was amazed at how clear everything was and how much I could see. Then I realized - there's literally not one speck of AoE in ANY picture I took of the entire run.

SMH...

Here is a quick video of Crushing Shock, one of the morphs of Force Shock. Now I doubt you more since it seems like you don't know what the skills look like. Not attacking you, just looking at all the angles of your story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6NP3eVTQI

Hmm, you may be right. I use the other morph, Force Pulse, which is definitely not a beam.

Or... you know what... maybe it is. I only use it when I'm attack weaving, so I guess it's possible that I've just never seen the whole animation go off.

But I STILL don't think that's what this guy was using. A Force Pulse every second, even with no other skills, would have done more than the 4k DPS this guy was pulling. And if he was using Crushing Shock he would have been interrupting the boss at least once in awhile, which was DEFINITELY not happening.

Yeah, I gotta stand by my original assessment here...

Dantaria

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Here is a quick video of Crushing Shock, one of the morphs of Force Shock. Now I doubt you more since it seems like you don't know what the skills look like. Not attacking you, just looking at all the angles of your story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6NP3eVTQI

They look similar don't they?

It honestly makes no difference. Simply spamming Crushing Shock with Clanfear is almost as bad as only heavy-attacking. It is a technicality. (And why the [SNIp] does DD have Crushing and not Force Pulse. But meh. It's also a tecnhicality ).

Ok, so this guy didn't only HA. He spammed one skill. Oh, that's a different story now! /s

[Edited for Profanity]

Ashtaris

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

I agree with you to a point, and that's why guilds are a good place to go for help, support, and training. However, if you are joining a pug for a Vet dungeon, you should have some rudementary knowledge on how to use your skills and what kind of gear you should be using. If they don't know, they should ask before they start doing Vet pledges. Many times people just don't have the time to explain all the details about combat mechanics and gear during a dungeon run.

Dark_Aether

Dantaria wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Here is a quick video of Crushing Shock, one of the morphs of Force Shock. Now I doubt you more since it seems like you don't know what the skills look like. Not attacking you, just looking at all the angles of your story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6NP3eVTQI

They look similar don't they?

It honestly makes no difference. Simply spamming Crushing Shock with Clanfear is almost as bad as only heavy-attacking. It is a technicality. (And why the f**k does DD have Crushing and not Force Pulse. But meh. It's also a tecnhicality ).

Ok, so this guy didn't only HA. He spammed one skill. Oh, that's a different story now! /s

@Dantaria Like I said in my original post, still a terrible group but OP made them out to be worse then they actually are.

- In heavy armor, I spotted the 5 light armor on one guy
- Only HA, I spotted at least a skill being used

All from the screenshots. They seem like the type of players that could become better with some advice instead of being used as a "funny post" on the forum. Think about it, just telling them "bro, use blockade instead of force shock" could go a long way, the next person to group with them won't have to deal with that. We all become better as a community.

VagabondLife

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Think about it, just telling them "bro, use blockade instead of force shock" could go a long way, the next person to group with them won't have to deal with that. We all become better as a community.

For reals though, you're kind of trolling a little bit now, right?

If not... well, I truly admire your optimism. And coming from someone who sacrificed 3 hours of her Sunday afternoon to pull a group of terribad randoms through a dungeon for absolutely no reward, not even a "thank you," I think that's saying a lot.

Dark_Aether

VagabondLife wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Think about it, just telling them "bro, use blockade instead of force shock" could go a long way, the next person to group with them won't have to deal with that. We all become better as a community.

For reals though, you're kind of trolling a little bit now, right?

If not... well, I truly admire your optimism. And coming from someone who sacrificed 3 hours of her Sunday afternoon to pull a group of terribad randoms through a dungeon for absolutely no reward, not even a "thank you," I think that's saying a lot.

Well, I guess some are more selfless than others. I don't do it for the thank you, as long as they don't insult me.

Dantaria

@Dark_Aether, it's beautiful sentiment... But I still disagree The abyss is still too deep here, imo.

You don't use blockade instead Forse Shock/Pulse, you use it with it So at this point OP still needed to explain basic game mechanics. "Guys, there are DoTs. Damage over Time effects. All good DD should use them". "Ok, so, you need 2 bars and do barswap. So, sorc. Use blockade and liquid then spam force pulse, then crystal frags if proc... Oh shi... you don't yet have frag morph, 'cause you didn't bother... and oh shi... you don't skill point for blockade... Ok, what's your Ult? You don't have Ult, omg, you kidding me...".

Vet dung is not the place for this. Like really. If I saw this on normal - "hey, guys, wanna some tips?". Vet dung with 500cp? This case is most probably hopeless.

If this guy honestly wanted to learn, if he understood that he needs to learn... He won't go on vet.

EDIT: grammar

Zinaroth

I usually don't bother reacting to stuff on forums or social media with upvotes, likes etc. - but definately made sure to give this post an 'awesome'! Thanks for the smile.

Slurg

But in the original story the OP made a suggestion that was met by "lol", ignore, and running ahead by the other group members. Not a lot of teaching can be done if that's the response.

My takeaway from the story, assuming the completion was successful, is any group can make it through this dungeon as long as they have a healer and a clannfear (merchant optional.)

Asardes

Emothic wrote: »

You know, situations like these cold be easily avoided if you take the 1 - 3 minutes to educate these players on how to prooperly play a dungeon. Of which you did not and had to deal with this end result. I never truely understand these threads. They all complain about bad players, bad groups, in the dungeon finder. Yet they make no attempt to help educate the players. Instead of spending the time to write out a rant/complaint thread, you could of used that time to try and educate or pursade these players to use proper dungeon tactics.

Whenever I get in these situations I tell the playres what they need to do, or how to find a boss. But! I tell them in a polite and constructive manner. I don't insult them on how they play. If my advice is ignored then it is ignored. However, players will start to listen to you when your grouop starts wiping over and over again.

So I recommend this. Instead of wasting your time create a thread like this. Use that time to help those players understand the dungeon mechanics and make the whole experiance more smoother and faster during your run.

They are beyond help at this point. Maybe there's still hope for the tank though, but the rest are just wasted. I bet they actually bought their accounts. There's no way you can get that many CP, even grinding, without actually knowing to at least AoE to kill the mobs. With that kind of "rotation" they could barely kill enough to consume the daily illumination within an hour, while chugging ambrosia.

Marabornwingrion

Enslaved wrote: »

Or maybe they just trolled you and tank, trying to see how long would it take for you guys to leave group. There are ppl like that...

Agree. In my old guild there were people who liked to join random dungeons only to troll people... They were max CP players and in dungeons they were doing stuff like spamming light bow attacks on their magicka characters. Disgusting way of wasting other people time.

Dark_Aether

Dantaria wrote: »

@Dark_Aether, it's beautiful sentiment... But I still disagree The abyss is still too deep here, imo.

You don't use blockade instead Forse Shock/Pulse, you use it with it So at this point OP still needed to explain basic game mechanics. "Guys, there are DoTs. Damage over Time effects. All good DD should use them". "Ok, so, you need 2 bars and do barswap. So, sorc. Use blockade and liquid then spam force pulse, then crystal frags if proc... Oh shi... you don't yet have frag morph, 'cause you didn't bother... and oh shi... you don't skill point for blockade... Ok, what's your Ult? You don't have Ult, omg, you kidding me...".

Vet dung is not the place for this. Like really. If I saw this on normal - "hey, guys, wanna some tips?". Vet dung with 500cp? This case is most probably hopeless.

If this guy honestly wanted to learn, if he understood that he needs to learn... He won't go on vet.

EDIT: grammar

I do agree that it is no one's responsibility to teach the game to others, not everyone has the time or patience for that.

OP did not emphasizes if he tried to help them or not. If he did, then that is what the story should be about, how bad they are and not willing to take advice to get better.

If he did not then that is what I have a problem with. If you cannot bother to help others, you should not bother to make forum post about how bad they are. You quit the group and move on.

VagabondLife

Dark_Aether wrote: »

OP did not emphasizes if he tried to help them or not. If he did, then that is what the story should be about, how bad they are and not willing to take advice to get better.

So now you're trying to tell me what my story is supposed to be about?

This is MY story, and it's about a funny thing that happened to me.

If you want a story about someone who goes around being all patronizing and mansplaining everything even though nobody asked, you'd be better off writing that one yourself.

Also, I am a "She." Thank you.

Dantaria

@Dark_Aether

Dark_Aether wrote: »

If he did not then that is what I have a problem with. If you cannot bother to help others, you should not bother to make forum post about how bad they are. You quit the group and move on.

I totally stick with OP even if he/she didn't try explaining anything. Because it's vet we're talking about In my book, such abyssmal performance on vet warrants a forum post, and I'm totally willing to lend an ear or hugs for those who want to rant

If this was "queued for random normal, saw that, ololololol, look at them", I would be the 1st one to ask, "Have you tried explaining?" But vet is vet. It is stated in the game that it's hard. You don't go there if you aren't sure you can do your role properly. And if the guy is sure he can DD with Clanfear and spamming Crashing... Nope. Just nope.

But is is, of cource, the matter of one's personal principles, beliefs and opinions

zaria

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

@Dark_Aether, it's beautiful sentiment... But I still disagree The abyss is still too deep here, imo.

You don't use blockade instead Forse Shock/Pulse, you use it with it So at this point OP still needed to explain basic game mechanics. "Guys, there are DoTs. Damage over Time effects. All good DD should use them". "Ok, so, you need 2 bars and do barswap. So, sorc. Use blockade and liquid then spam force pulse, then crystal frags if proc... Oh shi... you don't yet have frag morph, 'cause you didn't bother... and oh shi... you don't skill point for blockade... Ok, what's your Ult? You don't have Ult, omg, you kidding me...".

Vet dung is not the place for this. Like really. If I saw this on normal - "hey, guys, wanna some tips?". Vet dung with 500cp? This case is most probably hopeless.

If this guy honestly wanted to learn, if he understood that he needs to learn... He won't go on vet.

EDIT: grammar

I do agree that it is no one's responsibility to teach the game to others, not everyone has the time or patience for that.

OP did not emphasizes if he tried to help them or not. If he did, then that is what the story should be about, how bad they are and not willing to take advice to get better.

If he did not then that is what I have a problem with. If you cannot bother to help others, you should not bother to make forum post about how bad they are. You quit the group and move on.

He did ask for an combat pet and got no response, however the scamp is the other morph of the clanfear, the clanfear is very nice then you solo bosses but waste of bar slots in groups. Weird that the templar did not use sweeps.
And it was an epic story understand you hang around in morbid fascination
Moral is that the merchant should be nerfed.

malicia

Dark_Aether wrote: »

OP did not emphasizes if he tried to help them or not. If he did, then that is what the story should be about, how bad they are and not willing to take advice to get better.

VagabondLife wrote: »

I sort-of-lightheartedly ask in group chat if we can put away the merchant and switch to a DPS pet. The templar responds with "Lol." The sorcerer says nothing, and the tank simply races on ahead. I sigh and follow. This is going to be a long haul.

I think this shows that the group wasn't too interested in taking advice. I don't know how often you PUG, but I've found that many people isn't fluent enough in English to communicate in group chat, and many others simply never respond. The OP could have said that, but it would have been much less entertaining. OP had the decency of editing out all names, so there's no harm done.

NordSwordnBoard

Slurg wrote: »

I was rooting for the clannfear and the merchant through the story - don't leave me hanging, did they win? I want to know if it's feasible to solo this dungeon with them.

I hope the clannfear and the merchant got a skill point, and unlocked a skill they will use.

Sometimes, the only way for players to accept they can't do vet content is to repeatedly fail and cause groups to dump them or disband. Either they try to improve, which means being proactive - or they continue to seek enablers who will carry/put up with them. The latter allows the roots of denial to grow deeper.

CountEdmondDantes

VagabondLife wrote: »

Well, except for Nuzhimeh, who mostly just stands around looking bored. I honestly can't blame her ...

I know, right? She is everywhere! If ever I needed a reason to never buy the Crown Store merchant, it's the way she keeps turning up at boss fights, standing there, with her hands on her hips, looking at me like I have no idea what I'm doing.

Don't judge!! I'm still learning!!

To the OP: Your misery makes for a fun read. Nice.

Dark_Aether

VagabondLife wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

OP did not emphasizes if he tried to help them or not. If he did, then that is what the story should be about, how bad they are and not willing to take advice to get better.

So now you're trying to tell me what my story is supposed to be about?

This is MY story, and it's about a funny thing that happened to me.

If you want a story about someone who goes around being all patronizing and mansplaining everything even though nobody asked, you'd be better off writing that one yourself.

Also, I am a "She." Thank you.

Yes... I absolutely am. I'll repeat the part you did not quote " If you cannot bother to help others, you should not bother to make forum post about how bad they are. You quit the group and move on."

We all know there are bad players in the game, and you should expect them in grouping tool. I only pug when I can carry the group.

Kodrac

It's nice and all to explain things if the advice taken but most of the time you're met with LOL I know what I'm doing. The people that ask in guild/group chat how come I keep dieing or they say something like my hurricane on my magsorc seems weak or they see someone breeze through mobs that they're struggling with and they'll say wow how do you do that. Those people will take advice and want to learn. But the people that just LOL and motor on don't want that advice. They have to fail, usually repeatedly, before they ask questions and want advice.