Bad players hate dps

OrphanHelgen

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat.
This group leader spent over 30 mins on gathering a "good" group for his pledge. Finally group got togther and we started.
The group leader had full pvp build. Stormfist, wrecking blow spam etc. The damage from him was so insanely low. The bosses took long time to kill, but I didn't mind that. I was here to get used to rotation on my alt.

Anyway, I posted dps after a boss fight, and it was 60k or something with some aoe. Then the hate started. To mention a few things the group stopped to tell me was: "No one care about your dps". "Big [snip] party is not here". "You are a coward with bad dps". "Noob". "You are an [snip]".

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag, but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

I will ask the community the same question as I asked my group: If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement? If my dps and experience doesn't matter, why spending 30 mins on gathering a good group for a dungeon then? Why not take a low cp player instead? Dps doesn't matter anyway so what's the problem?

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

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Illurian

While the verbal abuse wasn't warranted, why do you feel the need for aggrandizement?

I usually play a healer, but when I'm on my dps characters, I only post my dps when asked, or when the other dps and I are actively comparing our dps (friendly competition).

I'm fairly sure this is exactly why dps scores weren't even included in the base game in the first place.

Cadbury

I always show off my deeps. Because I'm awesome.

Taylor_MB

Illurian wrote: »

I'm fairly sure this is exactly why dps scores weren't even included in the base game in the first place.

Nah, ZOS just knew others would do it for free and cost them nothing.

Voxicity

I link my dps for my wife or other friends I'm playing with to see, as you say, to get a good idea of how the support is going in the group. And if I manage to pull off a perfect rotation and get some nice numbers, why shouldn't I be able to show it off? I worked hard for it so if anyone has a problem with it then they can happily put me on their ignore list

anitajoneb17_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

Context matters.

To be honest, it DOES annoy me when someone posts DPS statistics in a pugged dungeon. It's not that bad that I actually react or reply to it, I just swallow it, but if you ask me, the truth is that it is annoying. To me.

I'm well aware that it actually "helps" the whole group... but that's a benefit that doesn't compensate the negative feeling of being ... less ? carried ? whatever...

Don't post your DPS in a PUG. That's my position, if you ask me.

EvilCroc

No one care about your dps. Really.

Illurian

I wonder how OP would react if healers started posting their heals per second and tanks started posting their damage taken as well.

WalksonGraves

I always post my mitigated damage in zone chat after every block.

OrphanHelgen

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

Context matters.

To be honest, it DOES annoy me when someone posts DPS statistics in a pugged dungeon. It's not that bad that I actually react or reply to it, I just swallow it, but if you ask me, the truth is that it is annoying. To me.

I'm well aware that it actually "helps" the whole group... but that's a benefit that doesn't compensate the negative feeling of being ... less ? carried ? whatever...

Don't post your DPS in a PUG. That's my position, if you ask me.

If I saw a beautiful woman in a shop or office, I would threat her with respect and compliment her. Wtf you talking about?

The_Undefined

Illurian wrote: »

While the verbal abuse wasn't warranted, why do you feel the need for aggrandizement?

I usually play a healer, but when I'm on my dps characters, I only post my dps when asked, or when the other dps and I are actively comparing our dps (friendly competition).

I'm fairly sure this is exactly why dps scores weren't even included in the base game in the first place.

I totally agree. I've played many MMO's and this is the standard accepted etiquette. Every MMO I've been in, it's really rude to just rub your numbers in other people's faces without them asking for the post. Although you may not see it as rubbing it in other people's faces, but in fact an achievement from all of your hardwork, the rest of the group typically don't see it that way.

The accepted standard is DPS numbers should be posted when asked, not just randomly to show your skills. The boss died, and like you said, you were just there for practice rotations anyways, why did posting them matter so much?

[EDIT] Just to clarify, they shouldn't have called you names. Also, you shouldn't call an entire group of players names either (post title). If you were in my group, I would've just politely asked for you to keep the numbers private. So long as the group is progressing, that's what matters.

raidentenshu_ESO

The real question is..

Is it really necessary to spam the chat with your DPS score on each enemy that you slain with random players? Sometimes you need to keep your DPS scores private... unless if you're in a group that welcomes DPS sharing. Just because you're proud of your score doesn't mean that the rest of the group cares.

Elsonso

If you have an add-on that lets you tell everyone your DPS, and you know a bit about LUA, it is pretty easy to announce whatever DPS you want. Running a little low on a run, maybe not enough caffeine or just getting old? Not a problem. If you know where to do it, you can add 10k, 20k, or whatever is needed to your DPS. When you announce it, you can be awesome, even if you aren't.

Most people don't believe 100k DPS, so don't go too crazy.

grannas211

Point of this post was what? Oh yeah to tell us your DPS.

Jk. No hate. No need for people to call you names.

OrphanHelgen

Illurian wrote: »

I wonder how OP would react if healers started posting their heals per second and tanks started posting their damage taken as well.

Would be awesome. Love it.

The_Undefined

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

Context matters.

To be honest, it DOES annoy me when someone posts DPS statistics in a pugged dungeon. It's not that bad that I actually react or reply to it, I just swallow it, but if you ask me, the truth is that it is annoying. To me.

I'm well aware that it actually "helps" the whole group... but that's a benefit that doesn't compensate the negative feeling of being ... less ? carried ? whatever...

Don't post your DPS in a PUG. That's my position, if you ask me.

If I saw a beautiful woman in a shop or office, I would threat her with respect and compliment her. Wtf you talking about?

You really should treat everyone with respect despite how they look. Not to be super pc, but unless you're looking for a hookup, compliments should be left in the pocket. They can often come off demeaning instead of a polite gesture.

Argawarga

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement? If my dps and experience doesn't matter, why spending 30 mins on gathering a good group for a dungeon then? Why not take a low cp player instead? Dps doesn't matter anyway so what's the problem?

I mean yeah I want competent deeps, but in a four man dungeon where it's obvious that the other DPS is struggling, posting your numbers sure looks a lot like junk-waving. You know what your DPS is. The other DPS knows he's bad. Why rub it in his face? It's not really helpful in this context, and could be interpreted as antagonistic (i.e. "get gud"). It's just not important to a bunch of casuals in a 4-man.

I hear what you're saying about being used to having a group that wants to know your numbers. When I DPS I always want to know what numbers the other person is pulling, because I'm competitive like that too. However ...

There is value in knowing when it's best to just keep it in your pants.

modaretto

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

Context matters.

To be honest, it DOES annoy me when someone posts DPS statistics in a pugged dungeon. It's not that bad that I actually react or reply to it, I just swallow it, but if you ask me, the truth is that it is annoying. To me.

I'm well aware that it actually "helps" the whole group... but that's a benefit that doesn't compensate the negative feeling of being ... less ? carried ? whatever...

Don't post your DPS in a PUG. That's my position, if you ask me.

what did i just read xD

yeah so sorry for you guys, you will get the pledge done in about 10 minutes, must be a horrible feeling to get a good dd in your group

i think next time he should slot one hander and run around light attacking single mobs, i'm sure it would make others feel better because he would suck as much as the rest of the group and therefore after one hour in normal pledge everyone could say they did they very best and deserve a cookie

OrphanHelgen

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

The real question is..

Is it really necessary to spam the chat with your DPS score on each enemy that you slain with random players? Sometimes you need to keep your DPS scores private... unless if you're in a group that welcomes DPS sharing. Just because you're proud of your score doesn't mean that the rest of the group cares.

I never made other DD post. I never asked for people to care. But atleast ignore the chat instead of sending me hate messages. I don't send hate message to people who don't care, and they shouldn't send hate message to those who care either.

Balamoor

So let's you and I start this conversation from a place of mutual respect as fellow human beings if nothing else okay?

I can see by your forum information you have played ESO since year one, I would assume that means you understand that Hardcore Raiders/Dungeon runners are probably the smallest minority in this game. I have a friend that plays who recently left because as he put it "There is no raid scene"

Raiding is a after thought, if you listen to Matt Firor way back when this game was being developed, he said that ESO was about exploration, forming friendships and large scale battles, and mostly the PVE /casual players from every other MMO's flocked here. I have even had devs tell me at various cons, that Raiders aren't the focus of this game and are problematic as a audience.

So since you have the game that is predominantly PVE/Casual, you're going to get a negative reaction, especially when you throw up DPS, start asking about parser information or anything that can be perceived as trying to turn ESO into the burning crusade.

That reaction is is mainly because a lot of them have bad memories of being treated like crap from the uber raiders and have no desire to return to that.


Look at it like this, there are at least three games being developed now that want to return to the days of yesteryear, and WoW is still all about the raid, maybe you're in the wrong game? You could tell yourself that the filthy casuals took the raiders advice and went to play something else and eso is it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

If I saw a beautiful woman in a shop or office, I would threat her with respect and compliment her. Wtf you talking about?

Don't pretend to not understand. The point isn't that the person is beautiful, the point is that he/she was walking like a top model, "look-at-me-i'm-gorgeous" style. Which is what you're doing when posting 60K DPS. It's nothing more nor less than a "look at me I'm so good, ya'll suck" attitude.

OrphanHelgen

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

If I saw a beautiful woman in a shop or office, I would threat her with respect and compliment her. Wtf you talking about?

Don't pretend to not understand. The point isn't that the person is beautiful, the point is that he/she was walking like a top model, "look-at-me-i'm-gorgeous" style. Which is what you're doing when posting 60K DPS. It's nothing more nor less than a "look at me I'm so good, ya'll suck" attitude.

Read my post carefully, and I actually describe that specific situation where that was not the case

flguy147ub17_ESO

I think in Pugs, dps should be kept to yourself If you group is really bad then you always can leave but i see no reason to show your epeen. If you area good player, most people can tell. I will use a personal example. I am huge into fitness and have been for many years, it would be like me running around pulling up my shirt and showing off my abs to everybody. No reason to be that way and actually shows lack of self confidence and self esteem.

Waffennacht

Stormfist in a PvP build?

EvilCroc

Ok, from this very moment I'll start to send to ignore list each and every DD who posts dps in chat. And leave group immediately. You have my word.

anitajoneb17_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Read my post carefully, and I actually describe that specific situation where that was not the case

I did read your post carefully.
What you don't understand - or pretend to not understand , is that you posted your DPS with the INTENT to inform tank and helaers. The reality is, noone knows your intent.
If you really want to know why people react negatively, you have to understand that what matters is the perception of your acts, not the intention behind them.
This is what I'm trying to explain.
If you persist in saying that PERCEPTION is not relevant because it was not your INTENTION, then I cannot help you further. Sorry.

OrphanHelgen

Balamoor wrote: »

So let's you and I start this conversation from a place of mutual respect as fellow human beings if nothing else okay?

I can see by your forum information you have played ESO since year one, I would assume that means you understand that Hardcore Raiders/Dungeon runners are probably the smallest minority in this game. I have a friend that plays who recently left because as he put it "There is no raid scene"

Raiding is a after thought, if you listen to Matt Firor way back when this game was being developed, he said that ESO was about exploration, forming friendships and large scale battles, and mostly the PVE /casual players from every other MMO's flocked here. I have even had devs tell me at various cons, that Raiders aren't the focus of this game and are problematic as a audience.

So since you have the game that is predominantly PVE/Casual, you're going to get a negative reaction, especially when you throw up DPS, start asking about parser information or anything that can be perceived as trying to turn ESO into the burning crusade.

That reaction is is mainly because a lot of them have bad memories of being treated like crap from the uber raiders and have no desire to return to that.


Look at it like this, there are at least three games being developed now that want to return to the days of yesteryear, and WoW is still all about the raid, maybe you're in the wrong game? You could tell yourself that the filthy casuals took the raiders advice and went to play something else and eso is it.

Yes you have some good points, and maybe I am in a wrong game, I will admit that I have not enjoyed the end game last 6 months, but I give a last chance and see how it will be with the morrowind patch and new trial, and looking mostly forward for the balance patch notes.

I do have to add, if people are here to get friends and explore, still doesn't give them a valid reason to spam me with hate comments for posting a single dps parse.

Argawarga

modaretto wrote: »

i think next time he should slot one hander and run around light attacking single mobs, i'm sure it would make others feel better because he would suck as much as the rest of the group and therefore after one hour in normal pledge everyone could say they did they very best and deserve a cookie

Is this supposed to be one sentence? WTF did I just read?

Iyas

Was healing a pug with 8k DPS. I did 70% of grp DPS. Ya I know why randoms dont like good DPS numbers from grp member.

I would be glad to have someone in grp who has more than 20k DPS than the usual bow LA spammer with 2k dps.

But ppl play the way they want and dont like to be remembered that their way is not good at all.

Seriously I hate These Low DPS Guy. Would run with you any time OP

Voxicity

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