Bad players hate dps

IronCrystal

I have found that bad players either know they are bad and refuse to get better, or are jealous of the sucesses of others.

I have even had guild mates get super defensive when I post my parses because they know I know about how much damage they did based on Combat Metrics. While I don't say anything most of the time, some of these people were ones who wanted to join vet trial groups and got super defensive that their dps wasn't up to par.

Liofa

If you are doing low DPS and someone in group posts high DPS ; that means they are better than you are . Simple as that . There is no need to be offended . What you should do is asking them if they can help you improve . This is what should happen :

- A : *posts 60k dps*
- B : wow dude how the hell did you pull that number ?
- A : This is what I do here and there . Watch this video . This skill synergizes very well with this one , use them together . This skill says low damage on tooltip but actually hits very hard etc.

If what I will say now happens , you have every right to hate .

- A : *posts 60k dps*
- B : wow dude how the hell did you pull that number ?
- A : lol u suck m8

Both can happen . When I first started the game , I was asking those people (who does better than I do) to teach me stuff . Those examples above , both of them happened countless times . Did I hate the second guy ? Yes I did . Did I get offended by the 60k post ? No .

No one cares if you are offended . When I participate in a group , I share what I did and I expect people to share what they did . Because we are supposed to be a team and I want to know how much I contribute to the group . Only way is seeing other people's DPS . If I am a good player , I won't care about other guy being bad , I can carry . Any ''good enough'' player can carry an another DPS in any 4-man dungeon . No one cares to be carrying a bad player . As an end-game player , if I want to play with high DPS players , I do anytime I want . If I join a pug , I know there is a very high chance of other player will be very bad . Personally , I had my share from PUGs and not gonna join a PUG as long as I don't have to . Because every time I tell someone to do things in a proper way (which will make things better) they get offended . ''I play how I want! Who are you to tell me what to do ?!''

Learn to behave and be a team player . Don't hold other people back or waste their time because you have fun with your crap build . If you don't want to , don't join team events . There are lots of stuff to do in ESO . Simple .

Argawarga

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Allthough I kind of asked the community a question, and so far I still get hate ish posts about how much I brag. I don't see how my post can be that missunderstood when I tried my best to explain my point very detailed.
And for those who wonder, yes I am proud of what I have and will achieve in this game. Gold, dps, achievement, scores etc. I am proud of what I achieve and everyone should be proud as well. Is that a crime?

We're not saying you shouldn't be proud. We're saying grown-ass adults know when to keep it to themselves.

West93

Everything depends on the context.

Posting dps after every boss - mini boss, seems kind of douchy, while you're running in a pug group, unless they are asking about it, however if you run with your friends and have a friendly dps rivalry, I don't see what's wrong with that, or perhaps showing dps after last boss to compliment the tank and healer for giving awesome support and keeping boss at good position which made you able to reach these numbers more easily, or perhaps showing because you just made your own personal dps record and you are happy and passionate about it.

Voxicity

someone teach me how to quote properly

Voxicity

Balamoor wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

I call this one bs, you made up this story and is trying to farm reactions, like the person who made a post about how he was being kicked from dungeons for using the duchess personality in a male toon.

I have screenshots and even reported my group members for harassment, so no badge farming here If I want to farm badges, these type of posts are not the right way to do it.

Edit: Sorry, you never mentioned badges, I just assumed.

Whoa whoa wait a minuet......

You reported people for harassment, with your posting history talking about "Bads" "Causals" and what not? I mean this thread could be construed as a shame piece.

Some would say that is toolish of you, I mean it's typical uber gamer mentality, I'm just surprised you admitted to it.

Calling someone ''bad'' or ''casual'' is not shaming. There are bad players in this game, and casual players. Saying someone is bad or casual is not shaming, unless we are living in a politically correct safe space world.

Actually I guess we are, so nevermind me, carry on in your safe space

Actually depends on the context, most mature people understand that, if anything the OP is needing a safe space from the big meanies that didn't like his uberness...... it also occurs to me that this may be a alt account of the OP because you keep rushing in to play white knight.

I'm not the OP's alt account lol. I agree with them so I'm backing them up in their thread. You must be the 13th alt account of all the people disagreeing with the OP then lol.

As if you literally just gave the OP a lecture about shaming and then go and make the claim that I'm not a real person. Grow up mate

Gargath

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag,(...)
A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see,(...).

Yeah right, not to brag. As others already stated, nobody cares about other's numbers unless they are asked to show the numbers in chat. How much awsome your dps is keep it for yourself. Understand this, showing others your stats in this way you make others feel small and irrelevant in the group. Do you know what empathy is?

Voxicity

Gargath wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag,(...)
A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see,(...).

Yeah right, not to brag. As others already stated, nobody cares about other's numbers unless they are asked to show the numbers in chat. How much awsome your dps is keep it for yourself. Understand this, showing others your stats in this way you make others feel small and irrelevant in the group. Do you know what empathy is?

Those players should get gud and stop sucking, or cry about it some more

DoccEff

Bad players HATE this man for his good rotation.

raglau

No one cares about your DPS, but for others to bother to even respond to it is odd, to get genuinely cross about it is even odder. If people post DPS I just ignore it.

As tank, by first trash pull I've already worked out if the group as a whole is doing enough DPS for me to drop group or not. I don't need to see any personal figures

CaiWenji

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat.
This group leader spent over 30 mins on gathering a "good" group for his pledge. Finally group got togther and we started.
The group leader had full pvp build. Stormfist, wrecking blow spam etc. The damage from him was so insanely low. The bosses took long time to kill, but I didn't mind that. I was here to get used to rotation on my alt.

Anyway, I posted dps after a boss fight, and it was 60k or something with some aoe. Then the hate started. To mention a few things the group stopped to tell me was: "No one care about your dps". "Big diick party is not here". "You are a coward with bad dps". "Noob". "You are an assshole".

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag, but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

I will ask the community the same question as I asked my group: If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement? If my dps and experience doesn't matter, why spending 30 mins on gathering a good group for a dungeon then? Why not take a low cp player instead? Dps doesn't matter anyway so what's the problem?

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Yeah I totally feel ya! While there are so many people who think they are elite and run through rushing a group of newbies who never got to experience the quest or that want to learn the boss mechanics or want to look in every container and chest with Almamexias(or however its spelled) Lantern. There are still those who are bad in the opposite way. Like the ones who attacked and insulted you. It is fun being a really good dps and to post your number is rewarding, like you said it is good to share to inform other players. And like you I like running with many different kinds of people with all kinds of builds but do always try to keep the peace.

One of the worst things in my opinion is when you get kicked out of a group for level when were in the queue for 30 or more minutes before you even get to teleport in. It only happened once for me on my now really fun dps/healer Grelbin. I was lv 40 something and I still almost remember the lady's name that kicked me Rhea Storm(something- thats the part I forget). I was queuing for a random normal and got put in to a II(2) one I forget the caves name but its the one with the rotating dwarven spider giant at the end. She said, "Sorry we want to win this". I was like okay so let me play? And she blocked me. it was a NORMAL dungeon let me remind you and I was lv40 something at the time not to mention 400 something CP that she could not see. She was 200 something CP. At the time I was using Ice and heal staff Ysgramor set/ Kagneracs and 2 piece torugs pact I think it was. All blue gear but chest and weaps purple. Now I have Flame Staff after they changed ice to taunt with heavy attacks. So replaced Ysgramor with Set of Sun while flame staff is equipped and Spell Power Cure with heal staff equiped then the helm + shoulder is Valkyn Skoria. Its fun too being a sorc with this build because of fast running lightning form.

Anyways dungeons are one of my favorite things, next to PVP(although I was on a bit of break with homestead stuff lately but may come back when the new trench holes come out in the upcoming update). But I will farm stuff other people need just because it IS really fun but when people don't even give you a chance and kick you before you enter making you wait another year to get in, it was disheartening.

So yeah, it is good to be confident, like you were, but not overly cocky, like some are. And just have fun no matter what you do in this game!

Argawarga

DoccEff wrote: »

Bad players HATE this man for his good rotation.

Click HERE to learn the truth NOW.

BRogueNZ

I post in pugs just in case everyone thought it was the other dd whose awesome :troll

Surak73

Well, if other players' dps was insanely low, then posting your own dps data surely sounded like a declaration of war, like you were saying "Look: I've done all the dungeon by myself, and you have done nothing". Which was probably true, but then it's not a surprise that the others have taken it personally. Their reaction was totally predictable.

On console we don't have such problems, since all the dps data we see are those with the dummy target... Anyway, I would follow the rule "Tell it if someone asks about it". Unless you are pissed off about your partners and want to make some recriminations, of course...

Oompuh

"No one cares about DPS?" Since when? DPS is what this entire end game system is based off of. Tanks support DPS with war horn and alkosh, Healers support DPS with SPC and Aether (and war horn). If DPS is slow, the dungeon is slow, if the dungeon is slow, I have less time to do more dungeons. Everyone should care about what damage their group is pulling

Woopy

EvilCroc wrote: »

No one care about your dps. Really.

said no one ever. I get asked what my dps is before every single group invite for non-pug dungeons or raids.

raglau

Oompuh wrote: »

"No one cares about DPS?" Since when? DPS is what this entire end game system is based off of. Tanks support DPS with war horn and alkosh, Healers support DPS with SPC and Aether (and war horn). If DPS is slow, the dungeon is slow, if the dungeon is slow, I have less time to do more dungeons. Everyone should care about what damage their group is pulling

I think your last sentence is the point. Tanks care about group DPS so look at Combat Meter and if that combined number is weak, tanks drop group. They don't really care about individual DPS. But it's also not a particular issue if people post their personal DPS in chat. It's surprising the OP was flamed for posting his personal DPS, I think is the general gist of the thread, as uninterested parties can simply ignore it.

Magdalina

Hm. This is interesting.

OP, can I ask a question? What'd you do if the pug you were in failed miserably on one of the fights and you knew it was due to their underperforming, with you doing all you could but still not managing to pull it off and save the day? By failed I mean wiped really stupidly.

Edit: gonna attempt to summon OP here because I feel the direction thread took scared him away and I'd actually love a constructive discussion here. @OrphanHelgen

Darkstorne

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I link my dps for my wife or other friends I'm playing with to see, as you say, to get a good idea of how the support is going in the group. And if I manage to pull off a perfect rotation and get some nice numbers, why shouldn't I be able to show it off? I worked hard for it so if anyone has a problem with it then they can happily put me on their ignore list

Well, at least you're being honest. But yes, this is exactly why people hate it when someone posts a DPS report. You're not being helpful, you're either asking people to swoon at your awesome deeps, or you're trying to point a finger at someone else in the group for not being up to your own expected standards.

If anyone else in the group actually cared about DPS, they'd have their own graph too. Linking accomplishes nothing other than signalling you are a bit of a prat.

Daemons_Bane

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag

I will ask the community the same question as I asked my group: If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement?

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

3 points coming to me here, so I'll take them in order..

If you don't post to brag, then maybe just don't post it if no one asks for it

I don't mind having some dps player who actually takes it serious, but please, be humble about it if not, you have a huge chance of coming off as a bragging idiot..

I will let you be as proud as you like, but see my former comments

Edit: Besides.. You start things off pretty badly by saying "Bad players hate dps"

Khenarthi

I don't need to see numbers to know which dd is doing the most damage: it's just a matter pf looking at the skills being used. If someone wants to show off their awesome numbers I can just shrug and keep doing my role (tanking).

That said, I feel that the original post may need some context... insulting the OP for bragging about his amazing dps is an overeaction in the extreme, everyone should enjoy clearing content fast.

KochDerDamonen

As a healer primarily, it does let me know that I'm doing good on my buff drops AND that the dungeon will go smoothly even if the other two groupmates just drool on their keyboard for the duration given most dungeons.

Keep on posting your parses, especially if they're hawt

I don't care for the following attitude im all cases, but sometimes it's important to remember that other people have flaws and that flaw can be jealousy. I'm not saying that every person that complains is specifically jealous, but something has to bug them enough that they go off on you.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Doesn't matter. Let's assume op was stoked about the score and wantes to brag, why should he be subject to abuse? Being good is a GOOD thing, has everybody lost their minds?

No, being good isn't a good or a bad thing.
It's important to some, and to the rest, it's irrelevant. Throwing performance numbers into the face of people who think it's irrelevant is equal to forcing your own values onto them. It causes negative reactions, which are both logical and legit.

@anitajoneb17_ESO Being good is a good thing when the good is an objective scale. Being able to finish a sodoku in 5 minutes instead of 10 is good, being able to traverse a course in less time is good, being able to lift heavier objects is good...

Pulling an impressive DPS value is good, and it's not just the player doing good, it takes group coordination in degrees to hit juicy numbers like 50k+. DPS being good isn't a "value", sharing what your DPS is isn't "forcing" a value on people, the negative reactions are not "logical" they're emotional drivel.

Bouldercleave

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

How in the world does a beautiful person walking down the street or in a shop make everyone else feel miserable? You have some issues to attend to.


A LOT of people need to stop worrying about what anyone else is doing or thinks.

Be your own person and OWN THAT ***! The only person that can make you feel bad about your self is you.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Bouldercleave wrote: »

A LOT of people need to stop worrying about what anyone else is doing or thinks.
Be your own person and OWN THAT ***! The only person that can make you feel bad about your self is you.

That's what OP's groupmates were doing by telling him to stop posting his DPS : they were being themselves ! And OP feels bad about it...

thisisScoMan

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I think I'm doing something wrong.

Every time I state the DPS numbers of my sword 'n board, they just laugh. No hate at all. I want hate.

Que for a random vet dungeon as DPS. Then you will get hate for your DPS numbers.

Bouldercleave

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

A LOT of people need to stop worrying about what anyone else is doing or thinks.
Be your own person and OWN THAT ***! The only person that can make you feel bad about your self is you.

That's what OP's groupmates were doing by telling him to stop posting his DPS : they were being themselves ! And OP feels bad about it...

You are correct. By being themselves, they showed that they were immature and really a bit stupid. The OP learned a valuable lesson - he learned what kind of *** he was grouping with.

anitajoneb17_ESO

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Being good is a good thing when the good is an objective scale. Being able to finish a sodoku in 5 minutes instead of 10 is good, being able to traverse a course in less time is good, being able to lift heavier objects is good...

Pulling an impressive DPS value is good, and it's not just the player doing good, it takes group coordination in degrees to hit juicy numbers like 50k+. DPS being good isn't a "value", sharing what your DPS is isn't "forcing" a value on people, the negative reactions are not "logical" they're emotional drivel.

No, being "good" isn't necessarily a "good thing", it all depends on context.
If Usain Bolt beats Asafa Powell at the olympics final by running 9 seconds, it's good. Which doesn't mean that Powell was bad : they were both good and Bolt was better. Bolt has every right to brag about his 9 seconds.
If you're doing your sunday morning jogging in Central Park and Usain Bolt overtakes you and sends you a message "I'm doing 9 seconds", he's totally out of place and behaving like a jerk.

Noone should be posting DPS parses in a PUG. Period.
If they do (it's their freedom after all) they shouldn't complain about negative reactions. They asked for it.

And to OP's assertion that "it was nothing against other players" : yes it was. He states later that "the other DPS was doing miserable 5K", and his thread (this thread)'s title is "BAD players...." not "OTHER players...". So yeah...

Posting DPS in a PUG has 0% to do with competitive mindset and 100% to do with epeen.

Bouldercleave

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Being good is a good thing when the good is an objective scale. Being able to finish a sodoku in 5 minutes instead of 10 is good, being able to traverse a course in less time is good, being able to lift heavier objects is good...

Pulling an impressive DPS value is good, and it's not just the player doing good, it takes group coordination in degrees to hit juicy numbers like 50k+. DPS being good isn't a "value", sharing what your DPS is isn't "forcing" a value on people, the negative reactions are not "logical" they're emotional drivel.

No, being "good" isn't necessarily a "good thing", it all depends on context.
If Usain Bolt beats Asafa Powell at the olympics final by running 9 seconds, it's good. Which doesn't mean that Powell was bad : they were both good and Bolt was better. Bolt has every right to brag about his 9 seconds.
If you're doing your sunday morning jogging in Central Park and Usain Bolt overtakes you and sends you a message "I'm doing 9 seconds", he's totally out of place and behaving like a jerk.

Noone should be posting DPS parses in a PUG. Period.
If they do (it's their freedom after all) they shouldn't complain about negative reactions. They asked for it.

And to OP's assertion that "it was nothing against other players" : yes it was. He states later that "the other DPS was doing miserable 5K", and his thread (this thread)'s title is "BAD players...." not "OTHER players...". So yeah...

Posting DPS in a PUG has 0% to do with competitive mindset and 100% to do with epeen.

I would wonder how Bolt got my cell number...

Lexynide

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat.
This group leader spent over 30 mins on gathering a "good" group for his pledge. Finally group got togther and we started.
The group leader had full pvp build. Stormfist, wrecking blow spam etc. The damage from him was so insanely low. The bosses took long time to kill, but I didn't mind that. I was here to get used to rotation on my alt.

Anyway, I posted dps after a boss fight, and it was 60k or something with some aoe. Then the hate started. To mention a few things the group stopped to tell me was: "No one care about your dps". "Big diick party is not here". "You are a coward with bad dps". "Noob". "You are an assshole".

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag, but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

I will ask the community the same question as I asked my group: If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement? If my dps and experience doesn't matter, why spending 30 mins on gathering a good group for a dungeon then? Why not take a low cp player instead? Dps doesn't matter anyway so what's the problem?

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Iyas

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Being good is a good thing when the good is an objective scale. Being able to finish a sodoku in 5 minutes instead of 10 is good, being able to traverse a course in less time is good, being able to lift heavier objects is good...

Pulling an impressive DPS value is good, and it's not just the player doing good, it takes group coordination in degrees to hit juicy numbers like 50k+. DPS being good isn't a "value", sharing what your DPS is isn't "forcing" a value on people, the negative reactions are not "logical" they're emotional drivel.

No, being "good" isn't necessarily a "good thing", it all depends on context.
If Usain Bolt beats Asafa Powell at the olympics final by running 9 seconds, it's good. Which doesn't mean that Powell was bad : they were both good and Bolt was better. Bolt has every right to brag about his 9 seconds.
If you're doing your sunday morning jogging in Central Park and Usain Bolt overtakes you and sends you a message "I'm doing 9 seconds", he's totally out of place and behaving like a jerk.

Noone should be posting DPS parses in a PUG. Period.
If they do (it's their freedom after all) they shouldn't complain about negative reactions. They asked for it.

And to OP's assertion that "it was nothing against other players" : yes it was. He states later that "the other DPS was doing miserable 5K", and his thread (this thread)'s title is "BAD players...." not "OTHER players...". So yeah...

Posting DPS in a PUG has 0% to do with competitive mindset and 100% to do with epeen.

So its ok for you that ppl are wasting the time of other players? Okaaaay then.
And your RL example is totally flawed. If you join a pug as a DD. Then everyone is a sprinter according to your example. Or more like a relay race.