Bad players hate dps

KochDerDamonen

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Being good is a good thing when the good is an objective scale. Being able to finish a sodoku in 5 minutes instead of 10 is good, being able to traverse a course in less time is good, being able to lift heavier objects is good...

Pulling an impressive DPS value is good, and it's not just the player doing good, it takes group coordination in degrees to hit juicy numbers like 50k+. DPS being good isn't a "value", sharing what your DPS is isn't "forcing" a value on people, the negative reactions are not "logical" they're emotional drivel.

No, being "good" isn't necessarily a "good thing", it all depends on context.
If Usain Bolt beats Asafa Powell at the olympics final by running 9 seconds, it's good. Which doesn't mean that Powell was bad : they were both good and Bolt was better. Bolt has every right to brag about his 9 seconds.
If you're doing your sunday morning jogging in Central Park and Usain Bolt overtakes you and sends you a message "I'm doing 9 seconds", he's totally out of place and behaving like a jerk.

Noone should be posting DPS parses in a PUG. Period.
If they do (it's their freedom after all) they shouldn't complain about negative reactions. They asked for it.

And to OP's assertion that "it was nothing against other players" : yes it was. He states later that "the other DPS was doing miserable 5K", and his thread (this thread)'s title is "BAD players...." not "OTHER players...". So yeah...

Posting DPS in a PUG has 0% to do with competitive mindset and 100% to do with epeen.

@anitajoneb17_ESO except in this case, you're running a relay with Usain Bolt on your team and he got a head start because someone else performed well behind him...

anitajoneb17_ESO

Iyas wrote: »

So its ok for you that ppl are wasting the time of other players? Okaaaay then.

Am I wasting anyone's time if I pull 20K DPS ?
Besides, not everyone cares about speed-speed-speed and quick-quick-quick. That's a min/maxer obsession. Most players prefer a few wipes at normal speed and no pressure, rather than a speed-speed-speed with all pressure imposed by some DPS-obsessed prick.

Iyas wrote: »

And your RL example is totally flawed. If you join a pug as a DD. Then everyone is a sprinter according to your example. Or more like a relay race.

Nope. Remember it's about completion, not about quickest possible completion (unlike a relay race where the quickest win).

In a PUG, everyone is a sunday morning jogger (remember 15K DPS is enough to complete content, even with HM enabled). If a sprinter decides to PUG, he has to adapt, not the other way around.

No way a 60K DPS player is entitled to make everyone feel out of place by posting his DPS. He's the one who's out of place.

anitajoneb17_ESO

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO except in this case, you're running a relay with Usain Bolt on your team and he got a head start because someone else performed well behind him...

Nope. If Usain Bolt PUGs for a relay, he accepts to team up with sunday morning joggers. And to adapt.

If he wants to run with Asafa Powell and alikes, he shouldn't PUG. He should organize his run within his team (guild).

Iyas

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

So its ok for you that ppl are wasting the time of other players? Okaaaay then.

Am I wasting anyone's time if I pull 20K DPS ?
Besides, not everyone cares about speed-speed-speed and quick-quick-quick. That's a min/maxer obsession. Most players prefer a few wipes at normal speed and no pressure, rather than a speed-speed-speed with all pressure imposed by some DPS-obsessed prick.

Iyas wrote: »

And your RL example is totally flawed. If you join a pug as a DD. Then everyone is a sprinter according to your example. Or more like a relay race.

Nope. Remember it's about completion, not about quickest possible completion (unlike a relay race where the quickest win).

In a PUG, everyone is a sunday morning jogger (remember 15K DPS is enough to complete content, even with HM enabled). If a sprinter decides to PUG, he has to adapt, not the other way around.

No way a 60K DPS player is entitled to make everyone feel out of place by posting his DPS. He's the one who's out of place.

You have Problems. First I would be glad to run with such a Guy. Because its much less pressure to have awesome dps. Remember you can ignore most mechanics with good Dps. And second I would ask him what hes wearing and using.

And no youre not wasting my time. But 20k DPS is more than the average guy is able to pull in a pug. And I speak from experience thanks to combat metrics and lvling 2 chars to undaunded 9 via grp Finder in the last months.

Vizier

Kewl. As someone that plays roughly a 9/1 PvP/PvE split I wouldn't mind someone doing that. Matter of fact I'd be more inclined to ask questions about how such good numbers were achieved.

The only reason folks are going to get annoyed is if they take posting the numbers as some kind of personal affront or over the top bragging. (don't see that as over the top.)

Folks need to lighten up.

Daemons_Bane

Bouldercleave wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

A LOT of people need to stop worrying about what anyone else is doing or thinks.
Be your own person and OWN THAT ***! The only person that can make you feel bad about your self is you.

That's what OP's groupmates were doing by telling him to stop posting his DPS : they were being themselves ! And OP feels bad about it...

You are correct. By being themselves, they showed that they were immature and really a bit stupid. The OP learned a valuable lesson - he learned what kind of *** he was grouping with.

So we just assume that the group are the idiots? It could not have a root in them being constantly grouped with people who like to post their pride/dps numbers?

Cadbury

I agree with everyone

Oompuh

Am I wasting anyone's time if I pull 20K DPS ?
Besides, not everyone cares about speed-speed-speed and quick-quick-quick. That's a min/maxer obsession. Most players prefer a few wipes at normal speed and no pressure

People want to die and go slow? I sure the hell dont. If doing things efficiently is somehow a bad thing please let me know. People just strive to be average and on a group based MMO that is horrible. If you want to have 20K DPS, stay in your solo content. Don't hold a group back.

Daemons_Bane

Oompuh wrote: »

Am I wasting anyone's time if I pull 20K DPS ?
Besides, not everyone cares about speed-speed-speed and quick-quick-quick. That's a min/maxer obsession. Most players prefer a few wipes at normal speed and no pressure

People want to die and go slow? I sure the hell dont. If doing things efficiently is somehow a bad thing please let me know. People just strive to be average and on a group based MMO that is horrible. If you want to have 20K DPS, stay in your solo content. Don't hold a group back.

I don't want it any slower than it has to be I can easily deal with a few wipes, but I don't mind a clear and easy run at all.. The thing I value the most, when I get into a new dungeon, is being allowed the time to read the quest text before people rush off or accept the quest before I read it

exeeter702

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Doesn't matter. Let's assume op was stoked about the score and wantes to brag, why should he be subject to abuse? Being good is a GOOD thing, has everybody lost their minds?

No, being good isn't a good or a bad thing.
It's important to some, and to the rest, it's irrelevant. Throwing performance numbers into the face of people who think it's irrelevant is equal to forcing your own values onto them. It causes negative reactions, which are both logical and legit.

What the hell? Are we seriously this deep in the cesspool that is the participation trophy generation? Being good is A GOOD thing when there are very real very measurable win conditions and failure criteria set in the game.

Once upon a time, if you even had thr curiosity to take the plunge and step into an mmo rpg, you were in it to win it, period. There was always the ladder if good player and not so good players, but regardless, without question, everyone dedicating there time within the game of there choice, was always driven to improve and welcomed any form of advice or criticsm for those that were objectivley better. Because the ultimate goal was to be better than you were yesterday.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO Being good is a good thing when the good is an objective scale. Being able to finish a sodoku in 5 minutes instead of 10 is good, being able to traverse a course in less time is good, being able to lift heavier objects is good...

Pulling an impressive DPS value is good, and it's not just the player doing good, it takes group coordination in degrees to hit juicy numbers like 50k+. DPS being good isn't a "value", sharing what your DPS is isn't "forcing" a value on people, the negative reactions are not "logical" they're emotional drivel.

No, being "good" isn't necessarily a "good thing", it all depends on context.
If Usain Bolt beats Asafa Powell at the olympics final by running 9 seconds, it's good. Which doesn't mean that Powell was bad : they were both good and Bolt was better. Bolt has every right to brag about his 9 seconds.
If you're doing your sunday morning jogging in Central Park and Usain Bolt overtakes you and sends you a message "I'm doing 9 seconds", he's totally out of place and behaving like a jerk.

Noone should be posting DPS parses in a PUG. Period.
If they do (it's their freedom after all) they shouldn't complain about negative reactions. They asked for it.

And to OP's assertion that "it was nothing against other players" : yes it was. He states later that "the other DPS was doing miserable 5K", and his thread (this thread)'s title is "BAD players...." not "OTHER players...". So yeah...

Posting DPS in a PUG has 0% to do with competitive mindset and 100% to do with epeen.

Your usain analogy only works if said casual player was minding his/her own business fighting something solo and someone else came along and bruned the same mob solo and told him to step up his game.

I know this is going to be a very divisive comment but.. nothing irritates me more then when someone is grossly underperforming and is knowingly complacent with that fact. It is those players in this game that i feel the need to expose when they have the audacity to queue up with 3 other strangers. The greatest joy i take from this game when playing in pugs is noticing a player playing poorly and having them open up and accept some help or advice. I firmly believe there are few things more satisfying than seeing oneself improve in skill or technique in a measurable way. I cant for the life of me wrap my head around the fact that some players comfortably chose to not excell in the game of their choice becuase it puts them out of their comfort zone or whatever other reason.

To the op, never shy from your performance. However if i had one thing to recomend... Im not sure of the parsing addon you are using is capable of it, but if you are going to post without request, post the entire groups dps so it is not just your dps but that its your dps relative to the rest of the group. Hell... It might even trigger the other dps to step it up.

A scenario like the following....

Player A posts group dps

Player B - "wow sorry my dps is so bad, im still trying to get this down and could use some advice"

Player A proceeds to share a few tips and insight.

This scenario is worth a hundred harassment spams from angry players in bad groups regardless of how rare they are imo.

Voxicity

Darkstorne wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I link my dps for my wife or other friends I'm playing with to see, as you say, to get a good idea of how the support is going in the group. And if I manage to pull off a perfect rotation and get some nice numbers, why shouldn't I be able to show it off? I worked hard for it so if anyone has a problem with it then they can happily put me on their ignore list

Well, at least you're being honest. But yes, this is exactly why people hate it when someone posts a DPS report. You're not being helpful, you're either asking people to swoon at your awesome deeps, or you're trying to point a finger at someone else in the group for not being up to your own expected standards.

If anyone else in the group actually cared about DPS, they'd have their own graph too. Linking accomplishes nothing other than signalling you are a bit of a prat.

Yeah I get what you're saying but what if I'm playing with my wife, a guildie and then a random pug? I wanna show my wife and guildie my numbers, and they want to show me theirs without having to copy the dps report, change to guild chat, paste in the guildchat, and switch back to group if explaining mechanics or something. What if what we're doing has absolutely nothing to do with this random guy? He's just here getting carried by us (this literally does happen, so don't get butthurt over me using the word 'carry' please), he should just accept it for what it is, or leave. Which is usually what happens because most randoms are cool and just do their thing which is absolutely fine, but apparently this thread has proven otherwise; apparently there are a LOT of casual players(another word that ISN'T OFFENSIVE it's just how some people choose to play) playing this game who are either jealous, politically correct to a whole new level, or just plain trolling here.

Anyway I'm just glad I can consider myself not elitist and not casual. I'm a good player, but I don't join competitive trial guilds because I like to just chill sometimes. Anyway my wife wouldn't let me be too elitist cause then I might miss fishing fridays

Everstorm

You all are gonna have to agree to disagree.
Ppl play this game with different motivations and goals. I'm no fan of dps-meters but it's no excuse to be rude.

Bouldercleave

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

A LOT of people need to stop worrying about what anyone else is doing or thinks.
Be your own person and OWN THAT ***! The only person that can make you feel bad about your self is you.

That's what OP's groupmates were doing by telling him to stop posting his DPS : they were being themselves ! And OP feels bad about it...

You are correct. By being themselves, they showed that they were immature and really a bit stupid. The OP learned a valuable lesson - he learned what kind of *** he was grouping with.

So we just assume that the group are the idiots? It could not have a root in them being constantly grouped with people who like to post their pride/dps numbers?

Based on the hate tells? Yes, we can definitely assume that. If the OP is posting his DPS numbers but not talking smack, I wouldn't consider him the root of the problem at all.

Being proud of being a good player is not a crime. Throwing it in other people's faces is another story - but it doesn't sound like the OP was doing that.

cpuScientist

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

Context matters.

To be honest, it DOES annoy me when someone posts DPS statistics in a pugged dungeon. It's not that bad that I actually react or reply to it, I just swallow it, but if you ask me, the truth is that it is annoying. To me.

I'm well aware that it actually "helps" the whole group... but that's a benefit that doesn't compensate the negative feeling of being ... less ? carried ? whatever...

Don't post your DPS in a PUG. That's my position, if you ask me.

If I saw a beautiful woman in a shop or office, I would threat her with respect and compliment her. Wtf you talking about?

Right lol! Ughh look at that beautiful woman. NOW IM MISERABLE!!!

cpuScientist

So what happened to play how you want. If someone wants to play the game as a good DPS player and shows it in chat. Then what is the problem. They are just playing how they want. People hide behind that and forget it applies to everything...

kargen27

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

You have Problems. First I would be glad to run with such a Guy. Because its much less pressure to have awesome dps. Remember you can ignore most mechanics with good Dps. And second I would ask him what hes wearing and using.

And no youre not wasting my time. But 20k DPS is more than the average guy is able to pull in a pug. And I speak from experience thanks to combat metrics and lvling 2 chars to undaunded 9 via grp Finder in the last months.

That statement is in my opinion one of the biggest reasons why it is so hard to find a good group for a vet run. If the group can ignore the mechanics they will not learn the mechanics and that eventually becomes a problem.

I don't care if people post their DPS after each fight, I can easily ignore that, but I see no real reason to do it in pug groups other than petty bragging.

Going on a tangent I do mind when a great player runs a normal and basically sprints through the whole thing trashing mobs before the rest of the group can even get there. I didn't join to be a cheerleader. I don't like it when in normal dungeons (speaking random groups only) players are told we can just ignore the mechanics and burn this. I really don't like it when someone decides we should skip mobs or mini bosses because they are not needed to finish the dungeon. If I want a speed run or am farming equipment I have four guilds full of people that will help with that almost any time of the day. I do pug groups (normal and vet) to work on new rotations or level up new skill lines. I plan on looking in every crate, bag, sack, urn and chest and killing everything in there. I plan on spending time explaining mechanics to players that are in there for the first time and sometimes will back off my full potential so they get to experience some of the mechanics we could ignore. Most this is for normal runs. With vet runs I prefer people know the mechanics and be at least familiar with their rotations. I still don't want to skip content though just because it isn't needed to finish.

bloodthirstyvampire

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Betsararie

Agree with OP 100%.

As casuals they cry when others are doing far better than them, while at the same making no effort to do good themselves.

And then cry like a baby and proclaim how everyone is the "best", and that people just have different priorities in the game.

No everyone is not the best.

That's why we have numbers. And stats. We use those to discern superior qualities within characters.

Casuals, man...

Blud

Edited because never mind. However, the psychology in this thread is interesting.

Foxic

I got kicked out of a pledge group for having the dro destroyer title. Apparently they were "sick of playing with elitists". I hadnt even said anything in chat

waterfairy

This long winded reason why you like bragging to strangers is stupid...as long as you're killing things and not standing in stupid who cares what your stats are?

mewcatus

I play in a PUG dungeon not for the best scores, but for the possibility of the worse case scenarios. These usually test my ability to handle stress and survive under less then ideal circumstances. I don't do it to prove anything to my fellow player, and most certainly not to show them down.

Argruna

The group leader was in pvp gear however you don't care. You don't care that the boss battles took a bit, you were fine with it because you were on an alt. Yet you still posted numbers. This full on feels like we are missing a nice chunk of convo for the group to respond like that. Makes me believe there was something more to what was going on besides 'I posted my numbers so the tank/healer can see'.

Good DDs/tanks/healers don't need the pat on the back to know they be good.

Every time I've seen someone post numbers, they wanted a pat on the back, recognition or to belittle someone because they had a hiccup or don't quite got their groove in yet. Numbers only ever got posted to preen or find out what went wrong. Since you felt the need to bring up the person in pvp gear doing low damage to validate you in a backhanded way of posting numbers, sounds like you were preening your feathers and then were aghast that the pats on the back you were expecting weren't happening.

To Add: In my WoW days, I always loved posting healing or interrupts. It always seemed that the person posting that high dps was also the person sucking up the healer's mana because they refused to move out of aoe or doing little to interrupt boss moves because it'd 'cut into their rotation or not their job'.

Kalante

LOL thread back fired on OP.

SnubbS

I actually feel legitimately sorry for the people who use the 'E-peen' response when someone is discussing something they've done in-game. You have to be such a complete loser to have that world-view—it's so sad.

inb4 I get called out for concern-trolling.

SirMewser

I never read the DPS meters because they just clutter the chat box yelling "look at how unconstructive this text is", besides it gets you put into my ignore list.
Who honestly states their DPS into a headset during trial runs?

The game is easy, we get it. Bye-bye!!~

Izaki

Iyas wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

I always show DPS, so pugs understand who is carrying the group.

Runs wrote: »

If someone questioned your ability to perform sure post it. If your in a guild/friends group, sure post it. If you are in a pug group and you feel they aren't pulling their weight, either say something about it or just continue on as you were. There is no need to post your dps just to rub it in their faces, which is exactly what it sounds like you were doing.

Why though? I dont understand that. So they should get a particapation medal for getting the last place or what?

Nah so they think about how to L2P, which is a natural thing to do for anyone who likes something. You like guitar you want to improve, but think you're good. Then some other guy does a solo and posts it on YT. You watch it and think, "wow, I'm pretty bad actually, I better get working on my scales and legato". This is literally the same thing. You like a video game, you want to do damage, you think you're good, someone is better then you, you start working your *** off to get better.

Izaki

Gargath wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag,(...)
A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see,(...).

Yeah right, not to brag. As others already stated, nobody cares about other's numbers unless they are asked to show the numbers in chat. How much awsome your dps is keep it for yourself. Understand this, showing others your stats in this way you make others feel small and irrelevant in the group. Do you know what empathy is?

#Salt ? Seems like it, just like all the other people saying the same thing as you and suggesting that the 60k DPS is a lie.

Dantaria

Guuuuys, wait I think we need to think about the context:

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat.
This group leader spent over 30 mins on gathering a "good" group for his pledge. Finally group got togther and we started.
The group leader had full pvp build. Stormfist, wrecking blow spam etc. The damage from him was so insanely low. The bosses took long time to kill, but I didn't mind that. I was here to get used to rotation on my alt.

Anyway, I posted dps after a boss fight, and it was 60k or something with some aoe. Then the hate started. To mention a few things the group stopped to tell me was: "No one care about your dps". "Big diick party is not here". "You are a coward with bad dps". "Noob". "You are an assshole".

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag, but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

*intently studies OP's signature*

I hardly doubt that OP joined the group for "let's do pledge on normal, 1 key is fine".

OP, what was the intent of the group? Good group for 2 keys HM?

Because, guys. I totally agree that just posting your DPS in normal dung (or some first easy vets) is a s**t move.

But vet HM group is kinda elitistic by definition Honest casuals, who are here to just have fun, don't do vet HM pledges.

My opinion: you post your DPS in random normal? Wow, that's some ****. You post your DPS in pre-made vet HM group? Erm... Well, kinda not sure what for, 'cause these guys are supposed to have Combat Metrics themselves But... Why not? Vet HM is about being good

I honestly still wouldn't post my DPS in PUG, it doesn't seem polite. But vet HM pre-made group? Come on. Easier here

Quigster

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat.
This group leader spent over 30 mins on gathering a "good" group for his pledge. Finally group got togther and we started.
The group leader had full pvp build. Stormfist, wrecking blow spam etc. The damage from him was so insanely low. The bosses took long time to kill, but I didn't mind that. I was here to get used to rotation on my alt.

Anyway, I posted dps after a boss fight, and it was 60k or something with some aoe. Then the hate started. To mention a few things the group stopped to tell me was: "No one care about your dps". "Big diick party is not here". "You are a coward with bad dps". "Noob". "You are an assshole".

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag, but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

I will ask the community the same question as I asked my group: If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement? If my dps and experience doesn't matter, why spending 30 mins on gathering a good group for a dungeon then? Why not take a low cp player instead? Dps doesn't matter anyway so what's the problem?

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

My $0.02...unless there is a discussion or reason to post your stats, keep them to yourself. Get through the run and move on to other things. Pretty simple.