What the Daggerfall Overlook needs to be worth the price

MornaBaine

5,500 crowns is $39.99 and 3,000 crowns is 24.99

In order to purchase the furnished version (which is not currently available for in-game gold) you would have to purchase 2 of the 5,500 crown packages and one of the 3,000 crown packages. That's about $105.00. For a pixel house. It's more than the game ever cost. And it leaves you with a whopping 200 crowns in change.

Now I know many of you will say, "Well I got the crowns via my sub....I got crowns on sale... etc." And in that case, good for you! But because these are the regular cost of crowns these are the actual cash values of these items. Over a hundred bucks. Keep that in mind.

So, to begin, here are all the reasons you should NOT buy the Daggerfall Overlook specifically.

1. Don't buy it because it's stupidly expensive. You could buy 2 or 3 NEW COMPLETE GAMES for the cost of this place, especially if you do it furnished.
2. Don't buy it because ZOS was lazy and put not one once of effort INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF. It is a tired copy/pasta of at least 3 other castles already in the game.
3. Don't buy it because you cannot access the upper balcony or the top of the curtain wall, depriving you of all the splendid views and useable space this place SHOULD have.
4. Don't buy it because the 24 player cap is ridiculous. ZOS should have very well known this cap is not in line with housing in virtually any other major game and SHOULD have known that players would be unhappy with this and should NOT have released housing until they figured out a solution to the "performance issues" that supposedly result at higher numbers of players.
5. Don't buy it because you cannot access at least TWO floors that the outside of the castle shows. In fact, the interior of the castle bears NO resemblance to the floorplan that should exist based upon the exterior view of the castle.
6. Don't buy it because there has not been a significant crown sale since this monstrosity came out. Half price is the only way this even BEGINS to make any sense.
7. Don't buy it because the only thought or care that was put into housing was put into developing a grind for the furniture that goes along with it. And doing it in such a way as to drive frustrated players into the cash shop.
8. Don't buy it because housing still has a host of bugs associated with it. DEMAND that these be fixed first.
9. Don't buy it because the outside grounds are the worst and most limited of all the houses with outdoor space. The trapdoor downstairs doesn't even take you to a sliver of beach but instead dumps your character into slaughterfish infested waters.
10. Don't buy it because by doing so all you will accomplish is to teach this company that they can put out a substandard product and charge you an outrageous price for it and you'll cave and let them get away with it. Wait for them to improve the value of this product or put out better houses in the future.

Now, the truth is that I don't think any amount of pixel coolness is worth over a hundred bucks. But with a GOOD crown sale and the following upgrades...I MIGHT consider it.

1. increase the grounds outside so that they are at least comparable to the grounds that surround the other 2 Notable Houses, both of which have far nicer grounds with more useable space.

2. Lower the walls/railings in the tower that totally obscure what would otherwise be magnificent views. Here, so you can see what I mean:


That tower is several stories tall, as you can see here:
So add AT LEAST one more room to it! And make that room ALSO open up so that there is a door that will put you on the WALL that is attached to the tower.

3. Do away with the slaughterfish pit. Here's what I mean:
Look, a nifty cellar door on the lowest floor of the castle! I'll bet it goes to an awesome dungeon space! Oh wait! It says "Overlook Shore!" PRIVATE BEACH! AWESOME!


NOPE.

THIS is where you end up. Swim a very few feet away and you'll be killed by slaughterfish for good measure. And what's wrong with the position of those doors? It makes NO sense!

So, either give the place a nice cove with useable BEACH (and steps leading down to it from above so that door in the floor actually MAKES SENSE) OR actually give us another ROOM down there suitable for a dungeon since there's everything you could possibly need for a dungeon via the various "furniture" available.

4. Add fireplaces. Seriously, it's a whole castle with not a single fireplace??? It needs AT LEAST two.

5. make the interior make more sense with the EXTERIOR. Look at this:

WHY does the room that corresponds with that balcony in the center NOT EXIST? Give us that room. And make darn sure there's a door so we can walk out ON that balcony!
Why does the room that corresponds with that uppermost story NOT EXIST? Give us THAT room too.

6. Commit to doing something about the player cap. This castle should hold AT LEAST 100 players! 24 is just ludicrous.

7. Make a room that is actually a bathouse.

8. Make a separate room to serve as a kitchen.

While there are several things that would improve housing, like letting us build actual walls inside so we could make our own unique floorplans and letting us change the colors of furniture, the above are things you can do RIGHT NOW (with the possible exception of #6) that would VASTLY improve this particular property and make it START to justify its pricetag. Please do so.
@ZOS_GinaBruno ???? Any possibility of this???

Minute_Waltz

With planks you can build your own dock after getting out of trapdoor and decorate it however you like within the invisible walls.

You can access balcony and the walls by building stairs and plank bridges yourself.

The ONLY issue I have is invisible walls around the watchtower, thus making it completely useless.

MornaBaine

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

With planks you can build your own dock after getting out of trapdoor and decorate it however you like within the invisible walls.

You can access balcony and the walls by building stairs and plank bridges yourself.

The ONLY issue I have is invisible walls around the watchtower, thus making it completely useless.

While the amazing stuff a player has done with planks is pretty cool, I feel it really detracts from the aesthetics of the place. And it still doesn't address a host of the other issues I pointed out.

FloppyTouch

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

With planks you can build your own dock after getting out of trapdoor and decorate it however you like within the invisible walls.

You can access balcony and the walls by building stairs and plank bridges yourself.

The ONLY issue I have is invisible walls around the watchtower, thus making it completely useless.

Yh ur own dock is really cool and a nice place to put that boat from the fishing achievement

going to buy it now bc I was told not to buy it <.<

MornaBaine

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

With planks you can build your own dock after getting out of trapdoor and decorate it however you like within the invisible walls.

You can access balcony and the walls by building stairs and plank bridges yourself.

The ONLY issue I have is invisible walls around the watchtower, thus making it completely useless.

Yh ur own dock is really cool and a nice place to put that boat from the fishing achievement

going to buy it now bc I was told not to buy it <.<

It'd be cool if they'd give us a sliver of beach and a dock to put that boat at then.

runagate

You just don't understand prices!

Someone took the time to go into the world editor, put a divot into a mountain and add a new path, then copy/paste the daggerfall caste into that area, just like they did in other DC locales! How is that not worth more than the entire game cost to purchase in the first place?

Plus, you have the added advantage of living nowhere near any amenities, daily quest givers, wayshrines, etc.

InvitationNotFound

sorry, I've bought that house.

with gold instead of crowns of course

Enodoc

I would also like to get to the top of the wall that looks over the Southern Docks. There should be a patio up there like the one outside the Mages Guild in the city.

MornaBaine

runagate wrote: »

You just don't understand prices!

Someone took the time to go into the world editor, put a divot into a mountain and add a new path, then copy/paste the daggerfall caste into that area, just like they did in other DC locales! How is that not worth more than the entire game cost to purchase in the first place?

Plus, you have the added advantage of living nowhere near any amenities, daily quest givers, wayshrines, etc.

I didn't touch on the huge topic of FUNCTIONALITY which, by design apparently, all houses completely lack. They all SHOULD include a wayshrine however.

Elsonso

MornaBaine wrote: »

1. Don't buy it because it's stupidly expensive. You could buy 2 or 3 NEW COMPLETE GAMES for the cost of this place, especially if you do it furnished.
2. Don't buy it because ZOS was lazy and put not one once of effort INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF. It is a tired copy/pasta of at least 3 other castles already in the game.
3. Don't buy it because you cannot access the upper balcony or the top of the curtain wall, depriving you of all the splendid views and useable space this place SHOULD have.
4. Don't buy it because the 24 player cap is ridiculous. ZOS should have very well known this cap is not in line with housing in virtually any other major game and SHOULD have known that players would be unhappy with this and should NOT have released housing until they figured out a solution to the "performance issues" that supposedly result at higher numbers of players.
5. Don't buy it because you cannot access at least TWO floors that the outside of the castle shows. In fact, the interior of the castle bears NO resemblance to the floorplan that should exist based upon the exterior view of the castle.
6. Don't buy it because there has not been a significant crown sale since this monstrosity came out. Half price is the only way this even BEGINS to make any sense.
7. Don't buy it because the only thought or care that was put into housing was put into developing a grind for the furniture that goes along with it. And doing it in such a way as to drive frustrated players into the cash shop.
8. Don't buy it because housing still has a host of bugs associated with it. DEMAND that these be fixed first.
9. Don't buy it because the outside grounds are the worst and most limited of all the houses with outdoor space. The trapdoor downstairs doesn't even take you to a sliver of beach but instead dumps your character into slaughterfish infested waters.
10. Don't buy it because by doing so all you will accomplish is to teach this company that they can put out a substandard product and charge you an outrageous price for it and you'll cave and let them get away with it. Wait for them to improve the value of this product or put out better houses in the future.

Just a couple points on this list. Yeah, they should have done more that they did. When has anyone said that ZOS went above and beyond with a feature, though. Right?

I think they reused interiors so that they would not have to create new ones. I mean create, not assemble. I don't know to what extent the interiors are "Lego blocks" like they have in the TES and Fallout games, but it is clear that they did not want to create new interior spaces. That would make new assets (textures and meshes) that would take up space on your computer and be used only for one house. So, they assembled new house interiors in a familiar configuration because that is what they had at hand, and how they were designed to be used. As much as I don't like it, I think it is ultimately a tradeoff decision that they made.

I will never understand why they cannot make interiors that match the exteriors. It is like one team does interiors and one team does exteriors and they never talk. The only thing that connects them is someone who creates pretty pictures for them to work from.

As for the Crown cost, I just want to point out that if ESO is the game that they want to play, spending the equivalent of 2 or 3 games on a house is acceptable. They won't be buying those other games, at least not for a while.

MornaBaine wrote: »

1. increase the grounds outside so that they are at least comparable to the grounds that surround the other 2 Notable Houses, both of which have far nicer grounds with more useable space.
2. Lower the walls/railings in the tower that totally obscure what would otherwise be magnificent views.
3. Do away with the slaughterfish pit.
4. Add fireplaces. Seriously, it's a whole castle with not a single fireplace??? It needs AT LEAST two.
5. make the interior make more sense with the EXTERIOR.
6. Commit to doing something about the player cap. This castle should hold AT LEAST 100 players! 24 is just ludicrous.
7. Make a room that is actually a bathouse.
8. Make a separate room to serve as a kitchen.

My comments on this list are rather simple, and one of them is a reason they should have held off on releasing this until it was more mature.

The layout and configurations of the houses are fixed and permanent. They cannot add fireplaces. They cannot make the interior make sense. They cannot add walls, or doors to new rooms. They cannot do anything that would conflict with how people have placed furniture. They needed to have a focus group come in, early in development, to guide them on what players think of these places. I think that this would have helped resolve some problems. If they did do this, they either invited the wrong people, they ignored the advice, or it was in much worse state than what we see today.

The usable balconies, walls, and towers that overlook the surrounding land have two purposes for being blocked or unusable. First, they have to keep you in the compound. There is nothing out there, and people love to go there, so they have to prevent it. Also, people expect to see the world, and that is not what is out there. All that is there is enough of the world to fool you, if you don't look close. If they let you see too much, you will see it is not real. There are no other players. You cannot see people outside the compound. They cannot see you. They are protecting the facade.

Bladerunner1

They could leave out the high railing on the tower and the ocean side. It's easy enough to hop out into the ocean anyway, and they could use invisiwalls in the tower like they did with the strident springs tower. I agree with all the other points made too, there's hardly any individual rooms in the place, the player caps are too low and the hatch leading directly to the water is just strange.

I don't picture them changing physical shapes since it's released and it would cause furniture collisions in existing player properties, but they should add more rooms and balconies here and there behind doors. And increase player caps, yeah I'm repeating that one since the place has 3 enormous rooms made for a huge group of people.

Katahdin

Just save your gold and buy it with video game money.

MornaBaine

Katahdin wrote: »

Just save your gold and buy it with video game money.

Even the gold cost is too much for what you are getting. This particular "Notable" house is just a really poor value, even compared against the others, which is why I'm picking on it specifically.

Sigtric

I spent a lot of time in the Daggerfall Overlook last night as a friend owns it, and I've decided it's my next purchase.

It's really cool.

MornaBaine

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

I don't picture them changing physical shapes since it's released and it would cause furniture collisions in existing player properties, but they should add more rooms and balconies here and there behind doors. And increase player caps, yeah I'm repeating that one since the place has 3 enormous rooms made for a huge group of people.

They could do it if they'd add a furniture bag. Then all furniture gets put in the bag when they do the change and people just have to re-place their furniture afterwards. It's a pain but no worse than when they reset everyone's skill points. And if they were actually IMPROVING housing I doubt too many would complain.

As for the furniture bag, make it so they can only take things out and not put things in....and leave it "open" for subs... since they are asking for ways to improve ESO+!

Soella

Dear OP, do you realise that none of your suggestions of improvements can affect your main rage point: "digital pixels for $100"?

Rittings

The answer is simple... don't spend crowns on it. Just save up the gold and use that instead.

I'm glad the housing is expensive in crown-weight. Otherwise people can walk into this game and lord it about like the do in real life. Just buying their way through everything while the rest of us are putting in actual effort

My only complaint is that it would be nice to have a gold purchased "furnished" home too.

idk

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

S1ipperyJim

I own Daggerfal Overlook. I love it. The hatch is an entrance after diving off the wall - something ZOS ovbviously intended us to do since there's no invisible wall. Not meant to be a beach it's more of a smugglers entrance. Or a place you can eject prisoners to from your dungeon heheh. You can also place items there if you really want you could build a platform if you want to stand on something away from the slaughterfish area. The yard area is perfect and one of the reasons I bought it. The tower actually has far better views than, for instance Ebonheart mansion and you can easily view them by jumping onto the lower part of the railing. The only thing I agree with in this post is that the home needs fireplaces.

idk

runagate wrote: »

You just don't understand prices!

Someone took the time to go into the world editor, put a divot into a mountain and add a new path, then copy/paste the daggerfall caste into that area, just like they did in other DC locales! How is that not worth more than the entire game cost to purchase in the first place?

Plus, you have the added advantage of living nowhere near any amenities, daily quest givers, wayshrines, etc.

LOL

Callous2208

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

glitchmaster999

I was so excited to own a daggerfall castle so I bought it immediately on release (with help from my brother and a couple of guilds). After decorating it on PTS and on live I have come up with the conclusion that it is a much worse house than hundings palatial (which I did not buy because I don't like deserts).

Honestly for a manor it should have a much bigger front yard or maybe even a massive backyard. It should also have much more water to have access to. I mean it is one of the most expensive houses in the game and it feels like it has the most limitations with no access to balconies a crappy tower that you can't even see out of and next to no garden room to decorate. I purchased the tree pack from the crown store and there is literally not enough room to place them in the house as the amount of grass available is tiny.

Please just a couple of small changes would make this house as amazing as it should be. The numbers must show that it is not the most popular. I agree with almost everything the op has said and this is from the perspective of someone who bought the house even with the problems.

MornaBaine

Callous2208 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Cuz everyone planned ahead and knew the prices since like forever? It's not my style but I took a gander at it and concluded it is indeed a rip off at that price. Plus man, grow up. Obviously the "do not buy" was a bit tongue in cheek and had more to do with the theme of the post than trying to influence your buying habits. Lol, snowflakes and their precious sensibilities. Don't tell me what to buy and what not to buy! *sniff* I are in charge of my allowance monies.

Thank you for answering that dude way better than I could have. *tips hat*

MornaBaine

Soella wrote: »

Dear OP, do you realise that none of your suggestions of improvements can affect your main rage point: "digital pixels for $100"?

Oh I know that. THAT point remains outrageous. It's not at all a matter of whether or not you have the money to spend, it's the principle. I'd buy it if there were a half price crown sale AND they made the improvements I suggest. Though just last night I saw that some innovative players had actually MADE a fireplace that looked really good. So I suppose THAT can be accomplished by the buyer at least!

MornaBaine

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr



Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Ah, I see it was indeed too long for your attention span to allow you to read since you clearly missed where I said:


Now I know many of you will say, "Well I got the crowns via my sub....I got crowns on sale... etc." And in that case, good for you! But because these are the regular cost of crowns these are the actual cash values of these items. Over a hundred bucks. Keep that in mind.

Either that or you were simply incapable of understanding it.

Nolphi

You can build out a massive distance into the sea from the view deck, that entire area is accessible and you could build a lot there. The balconies on the castle are accessible if you build your own access. Visit my place @nolphi for a few ideas.

My only major disappointment is the inaccessibility of the top outer walls. They could have opened those up and blocked everything after

luen79rwb17_ESO

I believe this is the most popular manor. And I'm sure SOZ will make small adjustments here and there based on feedback.

bloodthirstyvampire

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK

Can anybody put this discussion into consideration please in future improvements to housing because i plan to buy daggerfall overlook and i don't know who i should send this too

bloodthirstyvampire

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I believe this is the most popular manor. And I'm sure SOZ will make small adjustments here and there based on feedback.

I hope so i really like daggerfall overlook

bloodthirstyvampire

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Tl;dr

It was a little long and stopped looking when I got to the long laundry list of you telling people not to buy the home.

It's really simple. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Oh, your math is off. It's closer to $55 for the crowns to buy the home for those that planned ahead and bought them on sale. Anyone else would be wise to wait for the next sale.

Problem solved. Happy to help. And pls don't tell us what to buy and what not to buy.

Im still buying it but the op made some good points

Medieval_Miss81

I did buy it and I love it. However, I would like to see fireplaces and the railing gone from the tower. I built a stone walkway to the upper balconies and you can place things there, so I am fine with those. I bought both garden packs, as well as quite a few Auridon cherry trees, and they all fit.