Morrowind...and ESO+

Avalon

The biggest fun thought of all of this, is that the people who have been subbing and saving crowns, have paid more than enough into ZOS' bank accounts, just so they can have access to all new content, and in return only have a bunch of crowns, with which they cannot purchase this new content (Morrowind). The people who did NOT sub, have, instead, saved their money, and bought the DLC's, probably paying far less overall, and have no crowns from subbing, instead having cash that they can buy the tiny upgrade to Morrowind.

By doing things this way, ZOS has really screwed over people who faithfully subbed each month, and rewarded those that did not.

Cpt_Teemo

But you chose to sub no one was forcing you to sub you knew what you were getting for the sub perks

RavenRoxie

Kendo12 wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

I think you still have to pay to upgrade your account to Morrowind.

WHAT? Youre talking *** right? That would be horrible.

I was thinking ESO+ should AT LEAST get access.

Zenimax be like....

Bobby_V_Rockit

Pre-ordered and happy

Korah_Eaglecry

FoulSnowpaw wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

Makes sense somewhat. Imagine having ESO plus and you create a Warden(exclusively for Morrowind purchase).
IF or after your plus subscription runs out would your Warden character be locked? Pretty much.

BUT I feel the dlc overall should still be purchasable with crowns, for crowns are pretty much still real money.
AND ZOS should've clarified the Morrowind purchase details a little better; that the dlc is only accessible with direct purchase

"Access to all DLC Game Packs available in the Crown Store", quoting from the store for ESO+... probably why TESO is not adding Morrowind dlc to the Crown Store.... well that's disappointing. Because it's not in the crown store, plus members are not given access to Morrowind.

Just my outlook on this.

The Warden should of been a base game update. Now anyone that wishes to create that class will have to outright buy the expansion regardless of whether they wish to go there or not.

ADarklore

Avalon wrote: »

The biggest fun thought of all of this, is that the people who have been subbing and saving crowns, have paid more than enough into ZOS' bank accounts, just so they can have access to all new content, and in return only have a bunch of crowns, with which they cannot purchase this new content (Morrowind). The people who did NOT sub, have, instead, saved their money, and bought the DLC's, probably paying far less overall, and have no crowns from subbing, instead having cash that they can buy the tiny upgrade to Morrowind.

By doing things this way, ZOS has really screwed over people who faithfully subbed each month, and rewarded those that did not.

I don't agree... I certainly don't pay with expectation of having ALL future content available for subscription, besides that, we get 1500 Crowns which is roughly equivalent to the subscription price, PLUS Costume Dyeing, Crafting Bags and soon Extra Bank Space. I know MANY people sub only for the Crafting Bags..

I personally don't see a problem with buying a very large expansion (oops, I mean Chapter) each year, especially if it includes a new class, race or weapon addition.

Further, I think it was brilliant to put the Warden behind the Morrowind paywall. It forces players to buy the Chapter, making extra money for ZOS which means increased longevity of the game. It also wouldn't make sense to release a lot of this in the Crown Store where people can buy it for half-price with sale purchased Crowns.

Kiwi

Evangele wrote: »

$40 is literally nothing.

its cute how some of you guys think you have problems

$107.54 NZD just to upgrade my 3 year old ESO account
thats $73.79USD

think about that

Malic

Kiwi wrote: »

Evangele wrote: »

$40 is literally nothing.

its cute how some of you guys think you have problems

$107.54 NZD just to upgrade my 3 year old ESO account
thats $73.79USD

think about that

Ya its horrible having disposable income. Im betting youre doing just fine though. Couple of diners out a week, a select latte once a day.

Who are you shittin?

Pay up.

DaiKahn

ADarklore wrote: »

...I certainly don't pay with expectation of having ALL future content available for subscription, besides that, we get 1500 Crowns which is roughly equivalent to the subscription price, PLUS Costume Dyeing, Crafting Bags and soon Extra Bank Space. I know MANY people sub only for the Crafting Bags..

I personally don't see a problem with buying a very large expansion (oops, I mean Chapter) each year, especially if it includes a new class, race or weapon addition.

Further, I think it was brilliant to put the Warden behind the Morrowind paywall. It forces players to buy the Chapter, making extra money for ZOS which means increased longevity of the game. It also wouldn't make sense to release a lot of this in the Crown Store where people can buy it for half-price with sale purchased Crowns.

This, exactly

Galwylin

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

You can't expect to get major expansions for free. Frankly, I'm surprised they gave us so much for free as it is.

I'm afraid I'm going to need to see this list because you can't even play the game for free. Also, I hope this isn't consider a major expansion because that sucks.

Also, I don't think they lied about all future content when it was said. I don't think they ever saw the existence of expansions in their game. DLCs would uncover the map and anything they wanted to add to the game in the future. But something changed. I don't know why but I'm sure this game was never meant to have expansions which explains why the Morrowind is so lack luster as one and seems to have no cohesiveness between its elements. My guess is Vvanderfell would be like any other DLC, the battlegrounds would have come during a major patch and the warden also. This is why the promise of future DLCs has me questioning the statement. If Morrowind is successful, why would you give out DLCs for a monthly sub when people will pay more if called a chapter? That's one reason they've got to do better than increasing bank size for me. I don't trust the greed won't overcome the promise once again.

Galwylin

Wanting to add something here, people mention longevity of the game being increased. Companies go by year to year and quarterly. They don't put a little away for a rainy day. Next year, if the same money isn't being made, the higher ups are going to be wearing frowns. It doesn't matter how big Morrowind is this year. Longevity has nothing to do with it because that cash is made so ESO could make enough to last for five years in 2017 and still end up being shut down in 2018 because it doesn't make profit.

ZombieGandhi

I've only just returned to thinking about playing ESO.

I am curious, if the Morrowind Expansion, will include with it the previous DLCs--of, if in order to access them (my character isn't maxed level or what-have-you), will I still need to stay subbed to go through those areas?

Thanks for any replies!

Elsonso

Galwylin wrote: »

Wanting to add something here, people mention longevity of the game being increased. Companies go by year to year and quarterly. They don't put a little away for a rainy day. Next year, if the same money isn't being made, the higher ups are going to be wearing frowns. It doesn't matter how big Morrowind is this year. Longevity has nothing to do with it because that cash is made so ESO could make enough to last for five years in 2017 and still end up being shut down in 2018 because it doesn't make profit.

Well... ZOS started it.

Ezumiyr

I wanted to play Morrowind, so I suscribed to ESO+ right now so I could play a little before the DLC is released. It's written "access to all DLC content" in the description, so legitimately thought it would give me access to Morrowind once it's released. And it would make sense, especially since I don't know exactly how big is this DLC.

Then I had a doubt when I was that it was still written "you need to buy Morrowind" in game. And I ended here.
This is false advertising.
There's no actual difference between an extension and a DLC - DLC means "downloadable content", and that's what an extension is, now that everything is downloadable. And there's no mention of "extensions" when you suscribe to ESO plus. I just spent 12 euros for something I didn't want, since I can't refund.

Maybe I would have bought Morrowind if it was clearer. But customers, and especially casual customers, shouldn't be expected to investigate so much about what they want to buy. There are many differents editions of TESO and Morrowind, and honestly it's not clear what gives access to what. I don't care for "crowns" or "+10 progression", that's premium stuff for more hardcore players I won't use, I just want to play in Vvardenfell. I don't care either for dwemer dogs and this kind of useless rewards that shows your support for the game. I thought that buying Morrowind (which is rather costly) allowed you to get it forever, while subscribing (which is cheaper) granted you all content + various bonuses as long as you pay for the month.

I want clear information about what actual CONTENT I'm purchasing. At least add a line to ESO+ so we see what actual CONTENT we are buying, and what does "DLC" means exactly (and I still don't know what I actually bought!!!). Wtf, it's almost easier to know if you're buying a useless pet than if you're purchasing actual content.

As a result, I won't buy Morrowind and I won't ask my friends to come back to TESO to play with we. Zenimax stole 12 euros from me with their false advertising, so they certainly won't get additional 120 euros from 3 potential returning players.
I can't really think it isn't intentional, because it would be very easy to clarify what ESO+ actually includes.

And I'm not even talking about what Morrowind actually give access to. Maybe it's not even worth it. maybe I couldn't even access it without max level characters. Maybe it's too short for that much money, or maybe it's too much for the time I have. I don't know, I can't find the informations. But I know what the bonus dog looks like, and that there's a new PvP arena I will never use.

Pathemavan

@Ezumiyr

While I can understand why this has you upset, there is a blurb about this at the bottom of the ESO+ page:

Access to DLC game packs available in the Crown Store and character progression bonuses available for the duration of membership

As Morrowind isn't listed for sale in the crown store, it wouldn't be covered by ESO+

Benn G x

Why you moaning over £30 lol, don't be so cheap I guarantee you'll get your entertainments worth for that.

Morrowind will keep me busy for months, £30 isn't even a night down the pub stop being a stinge

Jollygoodusername

Since this was brought up and I missed it:

"...we get 1500 Crowns which is roughly equivalent to the subscription price..."

Fellas, here's a perspective, that was bestowed upon me by a very wealthy oil tycoon, that also happens to be my grandfather. The best profit comes from work that you didn't put time or investment into, THAT should be obvious, right? So Crowns and Pets/Mounts are exactly the sort of thing where, someone has already been paid to create and in most cases the items have already been created long ago, with fresh coats of .dds or other texture compression.

These items are infinite and have 0 production cost (beyond their salaried creation that is). they can be duplicated and sold with unlimited potential for profit. That's the digital market in summary but of course it's more complex than this, however the final product itself IS infinite. 1500 crowns or any other in-game Crown Store item are of no actual value and cannot be translated into dollar amounts, only what YOU have spent acquiring them, TIME in many cases and the legal tender of your country. That old used up excuse I keep hearing about "It's only x amount of $$, don't be so cheap", it's sad to me but it's your tiny consumer box so...enjoy?

TLDR; Your mom. /laughtrack

Head.hunter

Make sure you don't select the wrong edition, or it'll tell you you're not qualified for the product.

Ezumiyr

Pathemavan wrote: »

@Ezumiyr

While I can understand why this has you upset, there is a blurb about this at the bottom of the ESO+ page:

Access to DLC game packs available in the Crown Store and character progression bonuses available for the duration of membership

As Morrowind isn't listed for sale in the crown store, it wouldn't be covered by ESO+

True, but as someone who is not very familiar with the game, I read this as "Access to all DLCs you can also buy at the Crown Store". Why do I need to google "crown store" to know what's comprised in it? There isn't even a link, and the Crown store is curiously accessible through "Community", not "Shop".
There are simply too many lacking informations at once.

mihaiisraging

They should really say "ESO+ DOESN'T COVER MORROWIND!"
And people should learn to read the details.
Just my 2 cents

Rhoric

Ezumiyr wrote: »

Pathemavan wrote: »

@Ezumiyr

While I can understand why this has you upset, there is a blurb about this at the bottom of the ESO+ page:

Access to DLC game packs available in the Crown Store and character progression bonuses available for the duration of membership

As Morrowind isn't listed for sale in the crown store, it wouldn't be covered by ESO+

True, but as someone who is not very familiar with the game, I read this as "Access to all DLCs you can also buy at the Crown Store". Why do I need to google "crown store" to know what's comprised in it? There isn't even a link, and the Crown store is curiously accessible through "Community", not "Shop".
There are simply too many lacking informations at once.

Morrowind isn't a DLC, it is an expansion.

Ecco

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Have any of you ever played MMOs before?
Do you not recall the days of EverQuest paying 14.99 a month and then paying for expacs as they were released?

Yes, and I bought every one, but EverQuest did not tell you on their subscription page that if you subscribed you would get "all future DLC" content. You can try and split hairs and say that "an expansion pack" is not DLC, but that's just a rationalization using semantics. The "expansion pack" is downloadable. There is no rational way to call it anything other than "downloadable content".

I predict that this is going to result in some litigation and I know who's going to win.

JasonSilverSpring

Ecco wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Have any of you ever played MMOs before?
Do you not recall the days of EverQuest paying 14.99 a month and then paying for expacs as they were released?

Yes, and I bought every one, but EverQuest did not tell you on their subscription page that if you subscribed you would get "all future DLC" content. You can try and split hairs and say that "an expansion pack" is not DLC, but that's just a rationalization using semantics. The "expansion pack" is downloadable. There is no rational way to call it anything other than "downloadable content".

I predict that this is going to result in some litigation and I know who's going to win.

They changed their​ business model with nearly six months notice. Someone would be wasting their time sueing over that. No rational lawyer would take the case.

Rhoric

The company will win as it has been said over and over from the announcement that it is an expansion(chapter) not a DLC. There are physical copies of Morrowind. There are no physical copies of the DLCs

DaveMoeDee

FoulSnowpaw wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

Makes sense somewhat. Imagine having ESO plus and you create a Warden(exclusively for Morrowind purchase).
IF or after your plus subscription runs out would your Warden character be locked? Pretty much.

BUT I feel the dlc overall should still be purchasable with crowns, for crowns are pretty much still real money.
AND ZOS should've clarified the Morrowind purchase details a little better; that the dlc is only accessible with direct purchase

"Access to all DLC Game Packs available in the Crown Store", quoting from the store for ESO+... probably why TESO is not adding Morrowind dlc to the Crown Store.... well that's disappointing. Because it's not in the crown store, plus members are not given access to Morrowind.

Just my outlook on this.

No, your Warden would not be locked.

If you got Imperial edition at launch from a shady source and set up an account, that account would still have the Imperial upgrade attached even after your key was cancelled. Add a valid key to that account and you will still have Imperial edition.

If you sub and play TG and DB, when you cancel your sub, you still have access to your guild skill lines, the shadowy trader guy (whatever it is called), and your blade of woe.

If you cancel your sub with stuff in your crafting bag, it remains there.

They do not take away things like that.

This is all irrelevant anyway. If Morrowind was DLC as originally designed, the Warden would most likely have been separate upgrade DLC that is not included in sub, like Imperial upgrade. It would not have been tied to the DLC access at all.

Morgha_Kul

The problem, as I see it, is SEMANTIC.

Morrowind IS a DLC, inasmuch as it is DOWNLOADED CONTENT. That's the very definition of the DLC designation.

However, it's a different KIND of downloaded content from the other DLCs. The problem is that many people are not making the distinction between the two kinds of DLC (in part because ZOS failed to make that distinction in the first place).

If the marketing department had described the previous DLCs as "UPDATES" instead of straight up DLC, and Morrowind as an "EXPANSION," we wouldn't be having this argument. It's simply that the term "DLC" is too inclusive.

Balibe

mihaiisraging wrote: »

They should really say "ESO+ DOESN'T COVER MORROWIND!"
And people should learn to read the details.
Just my 2 cents

Clearly you did not read learn to read the details. They DID say this in the FAQ for Morrrowind, were you too lazy to search and read what was officially stated months ago before your post ?????

The Morrowind FAQ stated .....

No, an ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions.

Rhoric

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

The problem, as I see it, is SEMANTIC.

Morrowind IS a DLC, inasmuch as it is DOWNLOADED CONTENT. That's the very definition of the DLC designation.

However, it's a different KIND of downloaded content from the other DLCs. The problem is that many people are not making the distinction between the two kinds of DLC (in part because ZOS failed to make that distinction in the first place).

If the marketing department had described the previous DLCs as "UPDATES" instead of straight up DLC, and Morrowind as an "EXPANSION," we wouldn't be having this argument. It's simply that the term "DLC" is too inclusive.

No it's not. When there are physical copies it is not a DLC, it is an expansion.

Valorin

Me and my wife both pay each month since ESO launched and so far we always got what we paid for.

More than that I gladly support Zeni in any future development because ESO is a marvellous game which is still going well after more than three years. If you don't like what Vvardenfell brought, or you're still complaining it should be free for ESO+ people "becaaause", then you clearly didn't take a close look at it.

Morgha_Kul

Rhoric wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

The problem, as I see it, is SEMANTIC.

Morrowind IS a DLC, inasmuch as it is DOWNLOADED CONTENT. That's the very definition of the DLC designation.

However, it's a different KIND of downloaded content from the other DLCs. The problem is that many people are not making the distinction between the two kinds of DLC (in part because ZOS failed to make that distinction in the first place).

If the marketing department had described the previous DLCs as "UPDATES" instead of straight up DLC, and Morrowind as an "EXPANSION," we wouldn't be having this argument. It's simply that the term "DLC" is too inclusive.

No it's not. When there are physical copies it is not a DLC, it is an expansion.

Yes, but many people DO download it. I did. That means it's DownLoadable Content.

And don't misunderstand, I'm in agreement with you. Morrowind is an Expansion, and they're entirely within their rights to charge for it. Prior DLCs were UPDATES. Personally, I'm surprised they didn't charge for those too, and gave ESO+ them for free, but they're clearly a different kind of DLC.