Miat's PVP Alerts Addon

antihero727

Lol there was a 3rd party program that did this when game first dropped. If caught using it was a banable offense. Now it's just accepted as a normal add on. I am not a ganker but this needs to go away since it's not in the "spirit" of fair game play.

Chori

Manoekin wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

I know Miat is a good players but taking his own step into nerfing stealth isnt the right direction either.
This can be really abused, another thing that hurts small scale whether you are a one shot ganker or not and this is the exact reason of why players don't balance most games.

How does it hurt small scale?.

Whether you are a nightblade or not remaining dark on a side of a battle flow to decide which fight to pick and which fight not to, players can know you are there and you know after they know your name you can say good bye to your oponent.
They will either join the zerg surfing, leave, bring a more outrageous amount of people that will end up zerging down your group. It defies the concept of you or anybody else remain on stealth anymore, the fact that you can know which name is waiting for you to either go away or make a mistake hurts strategy not only for solo play but also for group play.

Same thing applies for groups that are not exactly nightblades at all but that they still use stealth to either wait for an oppotunity to have a fight at a taken resource or location when nobody else is around. Things like this definitely hurt and will determine the amount of players that will come zerg you the *** down without even having a first stance fight with you.

So what the addon does and specially by telling the name of the person that is around you with the KOS list, is keeping players aware of things they will normally not be aware because there are in game concepts like stealth and line of sight that need to be learned by them. Players will be able to know you are at a certain location before going deep enough into it. It doesn't help players learn to play or get better at the game directly, and it will make harder for small groups to even be able to pick a fight without being 100% zerged down. It can force small man groups and solo players to just stack with their faction or zerg surf all the time.

Whats going to be the next thing? An addon that tells you what your oponent is wearing before you decide if you can win the fight by engaging or not? Just saying man...like I told to other people in this forum before, one can attempt to balance the game by yourself so much but without deeper analysis you will most likely not see what other sides of the game you are also hurting.

KisoValley

Perfectly balanced xd

Micah123

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Please confirm @Micah123

TM literally follows my raid around before we get to locations - its whatever, at least we have PvP thats not laggy. And we get good fights. Itd be nice to see theyre 'there' when were pushing a siege and we get opened on out of sneak or around a corner from things. For example, when your group was on azuras and were just BSing and suddenly blind sided, we would have known you were in there all along. Totally different fight.

I can confirm the one time I stream sniped you, and told you I was doing it in whispers, was the night you were in BRK Lumbermill tower. It was the first time I had seen you in Azura's and wanted to know who you were running with.

You are LORD FENGRUSH, people tend to call out where you're at.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Minno wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I found out about this recently and didnt say anything because of the amount of rage it will put out in stream and community. I know the AD Im fighting are using it though, like @Manoekin pointed out. It doesnt really matter in my case mostly, theyre just watching the stream to see where I go anywhere on the map anyway and even what Id like to do if they do show up etc.

But itd sure balance things in my favor to use it. Not to mention all the stream snipers. This is likely going to cause changes though and add-ons may lose some of their capabilities.

If anything, ZOS's response (which will probably make things worse and break PvP more) will just encourage more secrecy in the PvP community.

Fewer and fewer people will disclose the secret addons, broken gear/skills, and even external programs they are using to have a competitive advantage in PvP. The publishing of this addon speaks more to all the things that people haven't disclosed thus far.

Just proves the real definition of "L2P" and "get gud" is "find an exploit, addon or other trick that gives you an advantage and don't tell anyone." Just let your guild use your private addon and brag in discord about how much better players they are then the plebs who run an unaltered game.

I'd say a worse add-on is the one that tells you you should dodge roll without requiring you to see the attack.

At this point zos should close off the custom mods entirely. They should buy/code a new guild trader interface with world-wide costs shown for each item, an accurate Recount style mod, cyro HUD, a gear add-on that groups your sets into a one click equip animation, and have confidence in their animation/combat system enough to lock out custom interfaces.

Sorry man you said ZOS and "confidence" in the same sentence. They have no confidence in their entire content production system let alone PvP systems they have let rot for 2+ years now. Why do you think they are moving to gamble boxes, selling convenience and selling shortcuts to grind. If ZOS ever had confidence in their ability to consistently release stable engaging bug free content, then we would still be on a subscription model.

I would love for ZOS to have confidence in their content, at least their PvE stuff, some of it is great but it really doesnt seem like they do.

Maybe they need to go to india, do meditation and find themselves, i'd support it.

Sallington

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I found out about this recently and didnt say anything because of the amount of rage it will put out in stream and community. I know the AD Im fighting are using it though, like @Manoekin pointed out. It doesnt really matter in my case mostly, theyre just watching the stream to see where I go anywhere on the map anyway and even what Id like to do if they do show up etc.

But itd sure balance things in my favor to use it. Not to mention all the stream snipers. This is likely going to cause changes though and add-ons may lose some of their capabilities.

If anything, ZOS's response (which will probably make things worse and break PvP more) will just encourage more secrecy in the PvP community.

Fewer and fewer people will disclose the secret addons, broken gear/skills, and even external programs they are using to have a competitive advantage in PvP. The publishing of this addon speaks more to all the things that people haven't disclosed thus far.

Just proves the real definition of "L2P" and "get gud" is "find an exploit, addon or other trick that gives you an advantage and don't tell anyone." Just let your guild use your private addon and brag in discord about how much better players they are then the plebs who run an unaltered game.

I'd say a worse add-on is the one that tells you you should dodge roll without requiring you to see the attack.

At this point zos should close off the custom mods entirely. They should buy/code a new guild trader interface with world-wide costs shown for each item, an accurate Recount style mod, cyro HUD, a gear add-on that groups your sets into a one click equip animation, and have confidence in their animation/combat system enough to lock out custom interfaces.

Sorry man you said ZOS and "confidence" in the same sentence. They have no confidence in their entire content production system let alone PvP systems they have let rot for 2+ years now. Why do you think they are moving to gamble boxes, selling convenience and selling shortcuts to grind. If ZOS ever had confidence in their ability to release stable engaging bug free content, then we would still be on a subscription model.

I would love for ZOS to have confidence in their content, at least their PvE stuff, some of it is great but it really doesnt seem like they do.

Maybe they need to go to india, do meditation and find themselves, i'd support it.

Get em!

Minno

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I found out about this recently and didnt say anything because of the amount of rage it will put out in stream and community. I know the AD Im fighting are using it though, like @Manoekin pointed out. It doesnt really matter in my case mostly, theyre just watching the stream to see where I go anywhere on the map anyway and even what Id like to do if they do show up etc.

But itd sure balance things in my favor to use it. Not to mention all the stream snipers. This is likely going to cause changes though and add-ons may lose some of their capabilities.

If anything, ZOS's response (which will probably make things worse and break PvP more) will just encourage more secrecy in the PvP community.

Fewer and fewer people will disclose the secret addons, broken gear/skills, and even external programs they are using to have a competitive advantage in PvP. The publishing of this addon speaks more to all the things that people haven't disclosed thus far.

Just proves the real definition of "L2P" and "get gud" is "find an exploit, addon or other trick that gives you an advantage and don't tell anyone." Just let your guild use your private addon and brag in discord about how much better players they are then the plebs who run an unaltered game.

I'd say a worse add-on is the one that tells you you should dodge roll without requiring you to see the attack.

At this point zos should close off the custom mods entirely. They should buy/code a new guild trader interface with world-wide costs shown for each item, an accurate Recount style mod, cyro HUD, a gear add-on that groups your sets into a one click equip animation, and have confidence in their animation/combat system enough to lock out custom interfaces.

Sorry man you said ZOS and "confidence" in the same sentence. They have no confidence in their entire content production system let alone PvP systems they have let rot for 2+ years now. Why do you think they are moving to gamble boxes, selling convenience and selling shortcuts to grind. If ZOS ever had confidence in their ability to release stable engaging bug free content, then we would still be on a subscription model.

I would love for ZOS to have confidence in their content, at least their PvE stuff, some of it is great but it really doesnt seem like they do.

Maybe they need to go to india, do meditation and find themselves, i'd support it.

They'd get more stable work done if they stopped out sourcing the code grunt work to India.

FENGRUSH

Micah123 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Please confirm @Micah123

TM literally follows my raid around before we get to locations - its whatever, at least we have PvP thats not laggy. And we get good fights. Itd be nice to see theyre 'there' when were pushing a siege and we get opened on out of sneak or around a corner from things. For example, when your group was on azuras and were just BSing and suddenly blind sided, we would have known you were in there all along. Totally different fight.

I can confirm the one time I stream sniped you, and told you I was doing it in whispers, was the night you were in BRK Lumbermill tower. It was the first time I had seen you in Azura's and wanted to know who you were running with.

You are LORD FENGRUSH, people tend to call out where you're at.

Not even calling you out - just AD in general and that group. They get to our locations before we do generally and are just waiting. Its standard and to be expected at this point. Beyond that, theres plenty of smaller gankers and such sniping. To say its not as much of an issue as I think it is.. its kind of silly @Manoekin !

Sureshawt

Minno wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I found out about this recently and didnt say anything because of the amount of rage it will put out in stream and community. I know the AD Im fighting are using it though, like @Manoekin pointed out. It doesnt really matter in my case mostly, theyre just watching the stream to see where I go anywhere on the map anyway and even what Id like to do if they do show up etc.

But itd sure balance things in my favor to use it. Not to mention all the stream snipers. This is likely going to cause changes though and add-ons may lose some of their capabilities.

If anything, ZOS's response (which will probably make things worse and break PvP more) will just encourage more secrecy in the PvP community.

Fewer and fewer people will disclose the secret addons, broken gear/skills, and even external programs they are using to have a competitive advantage in PvP. The publishing of this addon speaks more to all the things that people haven't disclosed thus far.

Just proves the real definition of "L2P" and "get gud" is "find an exploit, addon or other trick that gives you an advantage and don't tell anyone." Just let your guild use your private addon and brag in discord about how much better players they are then the plebs who run an unaltered game.

I'd say a worse add-on is the one that tells you you should dodge roll without requiring you to see the attack.

At this point zos should close off the custom mods entirely. They should buy/code a new guild trader interface with world-wide costs shown for each item, an accurate Recount style mod, cyro HUD, a gear add-on that groups your sets into a one click equip animation, and have confidence in their animation/combat system enough to lock out custom interfaces.

Sorry man you said ZOS and "confidence" in the same sentence. They have no confidence in their entire content production system let alone PvP systems they have let rot for 2+ years now. Why do you think they are moving to gamble boxes, selling convenience and selling shortcuts to grind. If ZOS ever had confidence in their ability to release stable engaging bug free content, then we would still be on a subscription model.

I would love for ZOS to have confidence in their content, at least their PvE stuff, some of it is great but it really doesnt seem like they do.

Maybe they need to go to india, do meditation and find themselves, i'd support it.

They'd get more stable work done if they stopped out sourcing the code grunt work to India.

Agreed. An outstanding game design with the coding being outsourced results in a textbook example of what not to do. This is especially true with the complicated combat mechanics present in ESO.

Satiar

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Please confirm @Micah123

TM literally follows my raid around before we get to locations - its whatever, at least we have PvP thats not laggy. And we get good fights. Itd be nice to see theyre 'there' when were pushing a siege and we get opened on out of sneak or around a corner from things. For example, when your group was on azuras and were just BSing and suddenly blind sided, we would have known you were in there all along. Totally different fight.

I can confirm the one time I stream sniped you, and told you I was doing it in whispers, was the night you were in BRK Lumbermill tower. It was the first time I had seen you in Azura's and wanted to know who you were running with.

You are LORD FENGRUSH, people tend to call out where you're at.

Not even calling you out - just AD in general and that group. They get to our locations before we do generally and are just waiting. Its standard and to be expected at this point. Beyond that, theres plenty of smaller gankers and such sniping. To say its not as much of an issue as I think it is.. its kind of silly @Manoekin !

Welcome to my world for 2 years. Once your group is known and credible you have to go to incredible lengths to get to places undetected. Emp crowning + streaming was the worst thing we ever tried lol

Derra

Sallington wrote: »

PvA

Player vs. Add-on


Kind of a BS crutch tool. Anything that gives you an advantage, without needing to be aware of the situation yourself, is bogus and needs to go. You shouldn't win a fight because you're reacting to pop-ups in the middle of your screen.

If only there was ANY counterplay available to getting proccganked from stealth (that does not involve remorphing a mandatory pve skill - and even that is questionable at best since the incap will stun you anyways).

Manoekin

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

I know Miat is a good players but taking his own step into nerfing stealth isnt the right direction either.
This can be really abused, another thing that hurts small scale whether you are a one shot ganker or not and this is the exact reason of why players don't balance most games.

How does it hurt small scale?

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I found out about this recently and didnt say anything because of the amount of rage it will put out in stream and community. I know the AD Im fighting are using it though, like @Manoekin pointed out. It doesnt really matter in my case mostly, theyre just watching the stream to see where I go anywhere on the map anyway and even what Id like to do if they do show up etc.

But itd sure balance things in my favor to use it. Not to mention all the stream snipers. This is likely going to cause changes though and add-ons may lose some of their capabilities.

Why not take a stance on it? It's a public addon, not like it was being floated privately. It'd be more productive than posting proc build videos. Also, it's not hard to find blue players where the only blue swords on the map are, and with this addon they can easily see if you're in the area (since you know I'm using it). I think you worry about stream sniping too much. All the times I've watched I've not seen you ganked (though I'm sure it does happen), and I've not known a single person on AD who listens to your stream to know any of your plans.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

The only thing this add-on does that I don't like is it can inform you when someone is channeling a heavy attack on you from stealth. That's broken. Besides that I think the add-on is fine

Because seeing the names of an entire raid stealthed up ready to burst a keep deep in enemy territory isn't broken at all?

Does the stealth detection of this particular addon only work in a particular range? if so, then it would be entirely possible to use old school triangulation and accurately place ALL enemy troop movements on a mini-map. I'd be surprised if this hasn't been already done. It would explain how certain groups can always seem to predict stealth keep takes.

The stealth detection works in a range. I'm not entirely sure what the range is, but I also believe they have to enter stealth while within your range. I've seen players come out of stealth that weren't on my list.

Please confirm @Micah123

TM literally follows my raid around before we get to locations - its whatever, at least we have PvP thats not laggy. And we get good fights. Itd be nice to see theyre 'there' when were pushing a siege and we get opened on out of sneak or around a corner from things. For example, when your group was on azuras and were just BSing and suddenly blind sided, we would have known you were in there all along. Totally different fight.

Regardless, I did escalate this issue and send it to ZOS. I just dont want to make videos on it. Yea itd generate traffic and views - but I dont really care about that too much. It will breed toxicity that makes everyone say everyone else is cheating. Reality is, majority of players have never known of this.

Making a build using proc sets that are not 'broken' but part of what theyve given us is different than an add-on doing something that is not intended by the designer.

Proc sets are working as they were intended, they are just terrible in gameplay when you put everything together.

This add-on, is not something ZOS desires. Id expect changes, its up to them to handle it how they like.

So there is a difference to me at least on what I make videos on. Its not the first time I report things to have someone take a look at it and never say anything about it.

I have zero interaction with TM so I wouldn't know what's been going on with them the last couple weeks.

I also don't understand. You expect to be stream sniped but you were not prepared for defense to be at a keep. The addon wouldn't have provided much more information to you than you already had at the time, so meh.

This addon doesn't do anything it's not supposed to. Maybe people won't like it, and maybe ZOS won't like it... but it's only reading information they've willingly given us and is ZOS approved. It's not changing stat values or anything. I 100% expect it to be changed, but it's in no way cheating.

It's up to you what you do I just don't see the point. Everything anyone in this game does in PvP breeds toxicity and rage. It's not an issue or whatever kind of video you make, it's the community at this point.

asneakybanana wrote: »

@Manoekin why you do this to my poor little nb

Nah dude I haven't even tagged you yet. Once I do though you better watch out! Or I can just get someone wearing Blessed set again and watch your entire destro ult miss

Chori wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

I know Miat is a good players but taking his own step into nerfing stealth isnt the right direction either.
This can be really abused, another thing that hurts small scale whether you are a one shot ganker or not and this is the exact reason of why players don't balance most games.

How does it hurt small scale?.

Whether you are a nightblade or not remaining dark on a side of a battle flow to decide which fight to pick and which fight not to, players can know you are there and you know after they know your name you can say good bye to your oponent.
They will either join the zerg surfing, leave, bring a more outrageous amount of people that will end up zerging down your group. It defies the concept of you or anybody else remain on stealth anymore, the fact that you can know which name is waiting for you to either go away or make a mistake hurts strategy not only for solo play but also for group play.

Same thing applies for groups that are not exactly nightblades at all but that they still use stealth to either wait for an oppotunity to have a fight at a taken resource or location when nobody else is around. Things like this definitely hurt and will determine the amount of players that will come zerg you the *** down without even having a first stance fight with you.

So what the addon does and specially by telling the name of the person that is around you with the KOS list, is keeping players aware of things they will normally not be aware because there are in game concepts like stealth and line of sight that need to be learned by them. Players will be able to know you are at a certain location before going deep enough into it. It doesn't help players learn to play or get better at the game directly, and it will make harder for small groups to even be able to pick a fight without being 100% zerged down. It can force small man groups and solo players to just stack with their faction or zerg surf all the time.

Whats going to be the next thing? An addon that tells you what your oponent is wearing before you decide if you can win the fight by engaging or not? Just saying man...like I told to other people in this forum before, one can attempt to balance the game by yourself so much but without deeper analysis you will most likely not see what other sides of the game you are also hurting.

Every small man I've been a part of hasn't used stealth to pick fights. I wouldn't say this addon is more unfair than waiting in stealth for a smaller group or a few solos to roam too close to your group.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Please confirm @Micah123

TM literally follows my raid around before we get to locations - its whatever, at least we have PvP thats not laggy. And we get good fights. Itd be nice to see theyre 'there' when were pushing a siege and we get opened on out of sneak or around a corner from things. For example, when your group was on azuras and were just BSing and suddenly blind sided, we would have known you were in there all along. Totally different fight.

I can confirm the one time I stream sniped you, and told you I was doing it in whispers, was the night you were in BRK Lumbermill tower. It was the first time I had seen you in Azura's and wanted to know who you were running with.

You are LORD FENGRUSH, people tend to call out where you're at.

Not even calling you out - just AD in general and that group. They get to our locations before we do generally and are just waiting. Its standard and to be expected at this point. Beyond that, theres plenty of smaller gankers and such sniping. To say its not as much of an issue as I think it is.. its kind of silly @Manoekin !

Perhaps I didn't word how I felt in the best way. I don't know how much of an issue you think it is really. As someone who admittedly rarely watches I haven't seen it inconvenience you is all. That's probably a fault on my end. I won't speak to it anymore since.

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Please confirm @Micah123

TM literally follows my raid around before we get to locations - its whatever, at least we have PvP thats not laggy. And we get good fights. Itd be nice to see theyre 'there' when were pushing a siege and we get opened on out of sneak or around a corner from things. For example, when your group was on azuras and were just BSing and suddenly blind sided, we would have known you were in there all along. Totally different fight.

I can confirm the one time I stream sniped you, and told you I was doing it in whispers, was the night you were in BRK Lumbermill tower. It was the first time I had seen you in Azura's and wanted to know who you were running with.

You are LORD FENGRUSH, people tend to call out where you're at.

Not even calling you out - just AD in general and that group. They get to our locations before we do generally and are just waiting. Its standard and to be expected at this point. Beyond that, theres plenty of smaller gankers and such sniping. To say its not as much of an issue as I think it is.. its kind of silly @Manoekin !

Welcome to my world for 2 years. Once your group is known and credible you have to go to incredible lengths to get to places undetected. Emp crowning + streaming was the worst thing we ever tried lol

Yo, those stealth bombs were always 100% legit.

Armitas

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Miat’s PVP Alerts addon was brought to our attention earlier in the week, and we’ve been running some internal tests on it to gauge functionality and impact. We are still evaluating this addon, and may make changes to the game’s API as a result. Here’s an explanation of how it works, and what it does and doesn’t do:

Miat’s PVP Alerts addon is built upon actions done by players that the combat log records. This includes sprinting, casting an ability, weapon swapping, drinking a potion, stealthing, etc. If a player executes any of those actions, basic messages are sent to the server and clients. This mod hooks into those notifications and filters them to give information about who is in the area. That info is then turned into either a KOS list determined by the player, a stealthier list, or simply an incremental value of players in the area (all are a rough estimation.)

The KOS list, specifically, is simply another layer on top of the above options, where the addon looks for specific players that you can choose to add to a list. When those players perform an action within your existing area of detection, you will be notified that they are in the area. You are not provided info on exactly where they are. Here are a few specific examples:

• If someone is in your existing area of detection and they fully enter stealth, the addon will notify you of the name of the player character that successfully went fully “hidden.”
• If someone is already stealthed and you’re traveling near then, or enter the area they were initially already stealthed in, you will not be notified of that player.
• If someone uses a Nightblade ability that results in them vanishing, they will not trigger the addon’s alert unless they enter the real “hidden” state (i.e. the eye on the HUD is closed).

Lastly this addon adds a kill spam list which shows you when someone has died in your existing area of detection, and to what ability. When you first get these messages, it simply says “Someone has died to Dark Flare.” When you start to get more information on the players around you, it adds that player name to the Saved Variables file for PVPAlerts.lua, then starts to add that information into your UI while playing.

Note that in all the above examples, you are not notified of exactly where the player is. This addon does not add a little blip to your map or compass, and does not give you an overlay that points out specifically where players are. This addon is not radar, a Doppler, or any other means of giving away another player’s exact position.

We want to thank everyone for sharing your concerns with us about this addon.

enzoisadog

Blacksheepart

You mean I'm not going to wonder into 2 stealthed raids of Pact Militia? Sounds good to me lol

susmitds

The irony is that Miat himself is a Stamina NB and probably NA/PC Dominion's best ganker.

Armitas

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Are we allowed to use this addon until you decide upon a judgement?

At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.

susmitds

Also it has probably been used for a long time privately by certain guilds. I have seen people posting absolutely accurate data of gankers in situations that would have been very difficult to detect.

Armitas

susmitds wrote: »

Also it has probably been used for a long time privately by certain guilds. I have seen people posting absolutely accurate data of gankers in situations that would have been very difficult to detect.

No doubt. I bet there are other private addons as well. I suspect there is one that will dodge for you. I have seen some really janky stuff like when I cast a CC from stealth and the moment the button is depressed the person rolls. Or I'll cast it point blank and they dodge the moment the button goes down. All that is necessary to do it already exists as the game internally informs you when to dodge or block.

LeifErickson

susmitds wrote: »

Also it has probably been used for a long time privately by certain guilds. I have seen people posting absolutely accurate data of gankers in situations that would have been very difficult to detect.

It's hard to tell whether that is true or not, but Miat spoke to me about his work on the addon and from what he told me, the addon was not operational until maybe a month ago at the latest? Most likely a couple weeks. But him and a few others beta tested it until he was confident with it. So unless someone else created an addon like his, it was not Miat's addon they were using.

Minno

Armitas wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Also it has probably been used for a long time privately by certain guilds. I have seen people posting absolutely accurate data of gankers in situations that would have been very difficult to detect.

No doubt. I bet there are other private addons as well. I suspect there is one that will dodge for you. I have seen some really janky stuff like when I cast a CC from stealth and the moment the button is depressed the person rolls. Or I'll cast it point blank and they dodge the moment the button goes down. All that is necessary to do it already exists as the game internally informs you when to dodge or block.

And here I thought WoW did everything for you...

kuro-dono

I am curious, what other sort of addons you could build that would make game much easier towards other players? in sense of pvp that is. theoricly.

i run only one addon myself, so i wont bother, but i want tod discuss about addons atm. How often we get people to exploit broken mechanics? all the *** time, so how about addons? you can break rules and client, so you could most likely build *** come true type addons?

Armitas

^ Well I think it would be possible to do an auto breakfree script. The input is already in the game, you just need to attach an output to it. (speaking theoretically not factually)

Manoekin

Armitas wrote: »

^ Well I think it would be possible to do an auto breakfree script. The input is already in the game, you just need to attach an output to it. (speaking theoretically not factually)

I've heard of such things, but never actually seen it.

Also, very informative post by Jessica thanks for posting.

Publius_Scipio

Somewhere.... Our old friend PAUL SAGE is laughing!!!!!

Publius_Scipio

susmitds wrote: »

The irony is that Miat himself is a Stamina NB and probably NA/PC Dominion's best ganker.

Zergbad Exterminator's nephew?

aidenmoore

Jesus! No wonder people are so quick to block or roll dodge my Shield Charge! Now I know why

antihero727

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Somewhere.... Our old friend PAUL SAGE is laughing!!!!!

Mark Jacobs still throws jabs in his weekly roundup every now and again. CU is coming along nicely.

Minno

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Somewhere.... Our old friend PAUL SAGE is laughing!!!!!

Unlike the rest of us, he knew when to jump off the ship lol.

Boomboom

I think this raises a good amount of questions about what is possible with addons, but I hope this doesn't turn into another witch hunt of who's using which addons. The PvP community is pretty toxic as is.