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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .1 -
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✭Mechanical keyboards are not allowed now?
comon dude, stop with the obvious. most of us have mech keyboards....thats not the point. its the Macroing thats the point.
edit- my bad for not checking my nerd lingo. most mechanical keyboards today have macro keysEdited by Malamar1229 on December 23, 2016 9:53PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »The one shot proc from nerf is a product of proc sets , not stealth . But somehow people have come to the conclusion it's because stealth ..
It's not necessarily because of stealth or because of proc sets. This game's mechanics allow you to boost damage to rather unreasonable levels using large %age modifiers (such as crouch bonus and Empower) and no softcaps allowing us to stack up 5000+ weapon damage. I made a rather boring ganking montage of me using Alchemist+Spriggan+1x Kena + 1x Kra'gh to gank... No proc sets just a lot of damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyMGkC0pIYKisoValley wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »Idk abou Blinxey and Bishop but German's build was simple as hell.
People think too much of a build and not the player lol. Most 'op' builds are just a standard build with a small change, such as engine in German's case, or a different jewellery set in a certain EU sorc's duelists case. Doesn't make them op, they just use a simple build and fit other parts in to fit their play style and are actual good players lol.
Yeah, CE had nothing to do with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X159ibyyiA
And when he got rid of CE? He was still considered the best sorc NA and he proved it. Before he was using CE he was also considered the best.
Funny that.
e: This isn't a thread about German anyway. He's banned now so get over it lmao.
I never said he was a bad player, just that he is a cheater. Being good at PvP and being a cheater are not exclusive things. Also, how do you know he got rid of CE? lol
One of the conditions of certain people getting unbanned was to get rid of CE. It's also not hard for ZOS to check if a computer has CE on it, just need consent from the person to check what they have got. Same way pvp guilds on different mmo's check for 'spies' by checking through peoples programs/chat logs etc. Although ZOS can do it legally, the guilds I talk about don't
Also, I doubt he or others were stupid enough to get CE again after being given a chance like that from ZOS.
Ah, I see. It's perfectly fine that he was so insecure in himself that he used the CE and ruined the very reason some people play this game (legit competition). Because ZoS is looking out. What a joke.
yet legit players like myself (makkir) get perma banned (without being given a "second chance") because we are accused of being gold sellers after sending raffle ticket gold to other players in mail who then turn and sell the gold on their own free whim.
GG
BTW Joy, not just CE..he also uses a mechanical keyboard and runs shield macros to apply everything with just 1 button stroke. Good player isnt just skill, imo, its all inclusive meaning sportsmanship as well.
Well that really sucks. I'd say I'm surprised at ZoS's lousy judgment regarding decisions like this, but seeing the state of Cyrodiil, I'd have to say these sorts of dubious calls are par for the course.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KisoValley wrote: »Also, I doubt he or others were stupid enough to get CE again after being given a chance like that from ZOS.
In games with more robust anti-cheat tools and policies, we can see this view is very naive. Not only is the number of bans staggering -- showing how widespread cheating is -- but we can also see it is common for no-shades-of-grey cheaters to be banned multiple times without ever admitting fault.
We like to imagine cheaters as hiding in dark shadows away from public scrutiny, but in reality they tend to act exactly like the German Chiefs we know so well, bragging about their illegitimate accomplishments. This is probably why they cheat: for status.
This does relate to the topic at hand in the sense that ZOS is slow to respond with solutions or even a substantive comment from a dev or ZOS exec.
Edited by zyk on December 23, 2016 11:05PM2 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .
Actually it's quite easy for them to tell if you use macros.
ZOS does not and has not done log audits on people... if they did they could easily check the interaction of "keypresses" and the delays between ability uses and see obvious patterns.
Basically the macroer would have to be constantly updating timings between automated ability usage or start repeating "muscle memory bro" a 1000 times and thinking people would believe that it would be responsible for timings that are identical and down to the single millisecond range. Even with changing the delay between keypresses per session, long duration of identical delays would be obvious.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .
Actually it's quite easy for them to tell if you use macros.
ZOS does not and has not done log audits on people... if they did they could easily check the interaction of "keypresses" and the delays between ability uses and see obvious patterns.
Basically the macroer would have to be constantly updating timings between automated ability usage or start repeating "muscle memory bro" a 1000 times and thinking people would believe that it would be responsible for timings that are identical and down to the single millisecond range. Even with changing the delay between keypresses per session, long duration of identical delays would be obvious.
You said easy for ZOS . I don't know if you are aware but they seem to have a hard time even when people fly round in circles spamming meteors detecting things with out a video and a thread blowing up .5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .
Actually it's quite easy for them to tell if you use macros.
ZOS does not and has not done log audits on people... if they did they could easily check the interaction of "keypresses" and the delays between ability uses and see obvious patterns.
Basically the macroer would have to be constantly updating timings between automated ability usage or start repeating "muscle memory bro" a 1000 times and thinking people would believe that it would be responsible for timings that are identical and down to the single millisecond range. Even with changing the delay between keypresses per session, long duration of identical delays would be obvious.
Good macro softwares have a rgn delay function x to y ms on each "button press". There is no way for them to tell apart from detecting the software.
It only gets worse when the macro is not executed by software but from the the device itself.Edited by Derra on December 23, 2016 11:51PM<Noricum>
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rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .
Actually it's quite easy for them to tell if you use macros.
ZOS does not and has not done log audits on people... if they did they could easily check the interaction of "keypresses" and the delays between ability uses and see obvious patterns.
Basically the macroer would have to be constantly updating timings between automated ability usage or start repeating "muscle memory bro" a 1000 times and thinking people would believe that it would be responsible for timings that are identical and down to the single millisecond range. Even with changing the delay between keypresses per session, long duration of identical delays would be obvious.
You said easy for ZOS . I don't know if you are aware but they seem to have a hard time even when people fly round in circles spamming meteors detecting things with out a video and a thread blowing up .
I was just pointing out that it's actually trivial for them to detect macro use. It's not a new thing that developers had to deal with regarding manipulation within their games.
The answer IS what you said though, how do people go hogwild with CE flying around spamming meteors for a weekend without anything being done about it (until monday!!!)? They don't seem to be all that concerned regarding it, it's like they are working on skyrim and a near unlimited stream of expansion packs saying "if they want to cheat themselves they can".
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✭✭✭I'm thankful the addon is out though. As with CE, I never cared about flying meteor spammers: I cared about those using it to subtly adjust their stuff to give them an effective but not visibly garish advantage. This addon is just proof of what others prob have been doing forever and I'm glad it's brought that to light.Edited by Satiar on December 24, 2016 12:34AMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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I think we'd all be very surprised if everything players have used over the last two years in ESO came to light. Who knows what kind of addons were cooked up and never made it public? I think some knew of CE, but overall the majority of the ESO community didn't know that was even possible in the game.I'm thankful the addon is out though. As with CE, I never cared about flying meteor spammers: I cared about those using it to subtly adjust their stuff to give them an effective but not visibly garish advantage. This addon is just proof of what others prob have been doing forever and I'm glad it's brought that to light.
Look at how long Blinkin and Bishop of Small Biceps were around. It wasn't until ZOS got on top of quite a few things that those two vanished into thin air.
https://youtu.be/wJcuYKyHEgs Edited by Publius_Scipio on December 24, 2016 1:12AM2 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .
Actually it's quite easy for them to tell if you use macros.
ZOS does not and has not done log audits on people... if they did they could easily check the interaction of "keypresses" and the delays between ability uses and see obvious patterns.
Basically the macroer would have to be constantly updating timings between automated ability usage or start repeating "muscle memory bro" a 1000 times and thinking people would believe that it would be responsible for timings that are identical and down to the single millisecond range. Even with changing the delay between keypresses per session, long duration of identical delays would be obvious.
Good macro softwares have a rgn delay function x to y ms on each "button press". There is no way for them to tell apart from detecting the software.
It only gets worse when the macro is not executed by software but from the the device itself.
Haha, I'm not really all that up to date on macro abuse. It's kind of laughable that it's like that...
Of course the real problem isn't the macros, it's that animation cancelling is so macro friendly and makes such a distinct difference in behavior.
Then again, if I were a pver... and a simple "rotation" that was mostly repetitive animation cancel after animation cancel... there would be no way I wouldn't use macros on a 10 minute boss fight. Cheating>Carpal tunnel.
But the bulk of "blame" for it being a problem is on ZOS.
(I might have summoned some macro deniers, for that I apologize).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all. Yes to all. To the devs and their families for all their hard work. Even though they completely forsake me in favor of someone like Jules. Where everything is about fluffy baby bunnies, fresh cut flowers, and hugs and kisses. While I have left buckets and buckets of my digital blood all over Cyrodiil in the name of the COVENANT. To Grom Troll Stinky Fingers and his small band of yerba mate chewing Mad King Krotha's court rejects. to Crown and Manowonka (he reminds me of Gene Wilder) and their 10,000 strong pointy ear army. To Mad King Krotha even though he subjects his stream fans to Ark.......wtfffff.........lol....... To Sypher who strangely has been 19 years old for the past 3 years. Still sipping shirley temples. To King Richard for defeating Dubzug and apparently being the greatest Destiny player on planet Earth. To FENGRUSH for being ever loyal to the COVENANT and continuing the strong ESO content of his channel. To Telel for believing so strongly in Khajiit RP that the local authorities are called to the supermarket when they get a call that a man talking like a anthropomorphic cat is trying to purchase lettuce, cheese, and wine. To unwavering friends like Roechacca.
And finally to all the unnamed soldiers of the BLUE BANNER who quietly fight the forces of evil in Cyrodiil day in and day out.
Rest in digital peace Columba.
Personally, being called Gene Wilder is a great compliment.
I think pubes meant this:
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all. Yes to all. To the devs and their families for all their hard work. Even though they completely forsake me in favor of someone like Jules. Where everything is about fluffy baby bunnies, fresh cut flowers, and hugs and kisses. While I have left buckets and buckets of my digital blood all over Cyrodiil in the name of the COVENANT. To Grom Troll Stinky Fingers and his small band of yerba mate chewing Mad King Krotha's court rejects. to Crown and Manowonka (he reminds me of Gene Wilder) and their 10,000 strong pointy ear army. To Mad King Krotha even though he subjects his stream fans to Ark.......wtfffff.........lol....... To Sypher who strangely has been 19 years old for the past 3 years. Still sipping shirley temples. To King Richard for defeating Dubzug and apparently being the greatest Destiny player on planet Earth. To FENGRUSH for being ever loyal to the COVENANT and continuing the strong ESO content of his channel. To Telel for believing so strongly in Khajiit RP that the local authorities are called to the supermarket when they get a call that a man talking like a anthropomorphic cat is trying to purchase lettuce, cheese, and wine. To unwavering friends like Roechacca.
And finally to all the unnamed soldiers of the BLUE BANNER who quietly fight the forces of evil in Cyrodiil day in and day out.
Rest in digital peace Columba.
Personally, being called Gene Wilder is a great compliment.
I think pubes meant this:
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
There's a difference between a mechanical keyboard and a keyboard that has macro keys. I've also not heard of people being banned for using the macro keys.
You are correct and no one to date has been punished for macros . There's just no way to prove their use really .
Nor if they really present a gamemechanical advantage.
Short macro hot keys can provide an advantage but how do you prove to ZOS someone is in fact using them ? We can't really and this is why it gets frustrating . We are off topic though and this has been debated into the ground already .
Actually it's quite easy for them to tell if you use macros.
ZOS does not and has not done log audits on people... if they did they could easily check the interaction of "keypresses" and the delays between ability uses and see obvious patterns.
Basically the macroer would have to be constantly updating timings between automated ability usage or start repeating "muscle memory bro" a 1000 times and thinking people would believe that it would be responsible for timings that are identical and down to the single millisecond range. Even with changing the delay between keypresses per session, long duration of identical delays would be obvious.
Good macro softwares have a rgn delay function x to y ms on each "button press". There is no way for them to tell apart from detecting the software.
It only gets worse when the macro is not executed by software but from the the device itself.
Haha, I'm not really all that up to date on macro abuse. It's kind of laughable that it's like that...
Of course the real problem isn't the macros, it's that animation cancelling is so macro friendly and makes such a distinct difference in behavior.
Then again, if I were a pver... and a simple "rotation" that was mostly repetitive animation cancel after animation cancel... there would be no way I wouldn't use macros on a 10 minute boss fight. Cheating>Carpal tunnel.
But the bulk of "blame" for it being a problem is on ZOS.
(I might have summoned some macro deniers, for that I apologize).
I use a mouse and a keyboard that come with macro functions - because at this point almost all "gaming" equipment does.
I never got to use it anywhere. Especially in eso. I just don´t see any point in using a macro in a pvp environment where reacting to enemies is important.
Also i can´t see any macros work in the games lag on primetime.
If someone needs to use a macro to LA + skill + bash i don´t see them having an advantage over me. They´re possibly trying to avoid carpal tunnel aswell (i do think bash anim canceling and bash dealing dmg without interrupting is stupid though). There is nothing a macro enables him to do that i can´t do with normal button presses.<Noricum>
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Ghostbane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all. Yes to all. To the devs and their families for all their hard work. Even though they completely forsake me in favor of someone like Jules. Where everything is about fluffy baby bunnies, fresh cut flowers, and hugs and kisses. While I have left buckets and buckets of my digital blood all over Cyrodiil in the name of the COVENANT. To Grom Troll Stinky Fingers and his small band of yerba mate chewing Mad King Krotha's court rejects. to Crown and Manowonka (he reminds me of Gene Wilder) and their 10,000 strong pointy ear army. To Mad King Krotha even though he subjects his stream fans to Ark.......wtfffff.........lol....... To Sypher who strangely has been 19 years old for the past 3 years. Still sipping shirley temples. To King Richard for defeating Dubzug and apparently being the greatest Destiny player on planet Earth. To FENGRUSH for being ever loyal to the COVENANT and continuing the strong ESO content of his channel. To Telel for believing so strongly in Khajiit RP that the local authorities are called to the supermarket when they get a call that a man talking like a anthropomorphic cat is trying to purchase lettuce, cheese, and wine. To unwavering friends like Roechacca.
And finally to all the unnamed soldiers of the BLUE BANNER who quietly fight the forces of evil in Cyrodiil day in and day out.
Rest in digital peace Columba.
Personally, being called Gene Wilder is a great compliment.
I think pubes meant this:
Statement still stands. What a genius.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
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✭✭Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
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pcar944✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I know I don't! wait, you said good players ...
I didn't even know what was until I started playing ESO lolOne Tamriel killed PVP
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✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all. Yes to all. To the devs and their families for all their hard work. Even though they completely forsake me in favor of someone like Jules. Where everything is about fluffy baby bunnies, fresh cut flowers, and hugs and kisses. While I have left buckets and buckets of my digital blood all over Cyrodiil in the name of the COVENANT. To Grom Troll Stinky Fingers and his small band of yerba mate chewing Mad King Krotha's court rejects. to Crown and Manowonka (he reminds me of Gene Wilder) and their 10,000 strong pointy ear army. To Mad King Krotha even though he subjects his stream fans to Ark.......wtfffff.........lol....... To Sypher who strangely has been 19 years old for the past 3 years. Still sipping shirley temples. To King Richard for defeating Dubzug and apparently being the greatest Destiny player on planet Earth. To FENGRUSH for being ever loyal to the COVENANT and continuing the strong ESO content of his channel. To Telel for believing so strongly in Khajiit RP that the local authorities are called to the supermarket when they get a call that a man talking like a anthropomorphic cat is trying to purchase lettuce, cheese, and wine. To unwavering friends like Roechacca.
And finally to all the unnamed soldiers of the BLUE BANNER who quietly fight the forces of evil in Cyrodiil day in and day out.
Rest in digital peace Columba.
Personally, being called Gene Wilder is a great compliment.
I think pubes meant this:
Statement still stands. What a genius.
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✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all. Yes to all. To the devs and their families for all their hard work. Even though they completely forsake me in favor of someone like Jules. Where everything is about fluffy baby bunnies, fresh cut flowers, and hugs and kisses. While I have left buckets and buckets of my digital blood all over Cyrodiil in the name of the COVENANT. To Grom Troll Stinky Fingers and his small band of yerba mate chewing Mad King Krotha's court rejects. to Crown and Manowonka (he reminds me of Gene Wilder) and their 10,000 strong pointy ear army. To Mad King Krotha even though he subjects his stream fans to Ark.......wtfffff.........lol....... To Sypher who strangely has been 19 years old for the past 3 years. Still sipping shirley temples. To King Richard for defeating Dubzug and apparently being the greatest Destiny player on planet Earth. To FENGRUSH for being ever loyal to the COVENANT and continuing the strong ESO content of his channel. To Telel for believing so strongly in Khajiit RP that the local authorities are called to the supermarket when they get a call that a man talking like a anthropomorphic cat is trying to purchase lettuce, cheese, and wine. To unwavering friends like Roechacca.
And finally to all the unnamed soldiers of the BLUE BANNER who quietly fight the forces of evil in Cyrodiil day in and day out.
Rest in digital peace Columba.
Personally, being called Gene Wilder is a great compliment.
I think pubes meant this:
Statement still stands. What a genius.
Yeah um, I don't think Pubes is comparing their "brains".
Don't care what he is doing, just giving a legend a shout out.
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.PC/NA
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Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
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✭KisoValley wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »The one shot proc from nerf is a product of proc sets , not stealth . But somehow people have come to the conclusion it's because stealth ..
It's not necessarily because of stealth or because of proc sets. This game's mechanics allow you to boost damage to rather unreasonable levels using large %age modifiers (such as crouch bonus and Empower) and no softcaps allowing us to stack up 5000+ weapon damage. I made a rather boring ganking montage of me using Alchemist+Spriggan+1x Kena + 1x Kra'gh to gank... No proc sets just a lot of damage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyMGkC0pIYKisoValley wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »Idk abou Blinxey and Bishop but German's build was simple as hell.
People think too much of a build and not the player lol. Most 'op' builds are just a standard build with a small change, such as engine in German's case, or a different jewellery set in a certain EU sorc's duelists case. Doesn't make them op, they just use a simple build and fit other parts in to fit their play style and are actual good players lol.
Yeah, CE had nothing to do with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X159ibyyiA
And when he got rid of CE? He was still considered the best sorc NA and he proved it. Before he was using CE he was also considered the best.
Funny that.
e: This isn't a thread about German anyway. He's banned now so get over it lmao.
I never said he was a bad player, just that he is a cheater. Being good at PvP and being a cheater are not exclusive things. Also, how do you know he got rid of CE? lol
One of the conditions of certain people getting unbanned was to get rid of CE. It's also not hard for ZOS to check if a computer has CE on it, just need consent from the person to check what they have got. Same way pvp guilds on different mmo's check for 'spies' by checking through peoples programs/chat logs etc. Although ZOS can do it legally, the guilds I talk about don't
Also, I doubt he or others were stupid enough to get CE again after being given a chance like that from ZOS.
You are so cute, "ey ZoS, look i don't have CE installed anymore", 5 mins latter, reinstall CE LOL. Also thinking that CE is the only way of cheating is hilarious, writing an small program to tamper into the memory of this game can be done by a 2nd year computer student just be reading some guides on google.5 -
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✭✭✭Merry Christmas and happy holidays to Minno (aka Commander Small Fish), Jauriel (she knows everything about everyone in PvP), and Rinaldo Gandalphi of Castlevania fame.
To Speez and his beard. Also to Blade Boques pet flying squirrel.3 -
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✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Merry Christmas and happy holidays to Minno (aka Commander Small Fish), Jauriel (she knows everything about everyone in PvP), and Rinaldo Gandalphi of Castlevania fame.
To Speez and his beard. Also to Blade Boques pet flying squirrel.
See now was that so hard?
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KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭KisoValley wrote: »Also, I doubt he or others were stupid enough to get CE again after being given a chance like that from ZOS.
In games with more robust anti-cheat tools and policies, we can see this view is very naive. Not only is the number of bans staggering -- showing how widespread cheating is -- but we can also see it is common for no-shades-of-grey cheaters to be banned multiple times without ever admitting fault.
We like to imagine cheaters as hiding in dark shadows away from public scrutiny, but in reality they tend to act exactly like the German Chiefs we know so well, bragging about their illegitimate accomplishments. This is probably why they cheat: for status.
This does relate to the topic at hand in the sense that ZOS is slow to respond with solutions or even a substantive comment from a dev or ZOS exec.
How many times was German banned? And his last ban was because of something completely unrelated to CE.
I'm not saying he didn't cheat, but I don't think anyone who actually enjoyed ESO, which German did according to his friends, would use CE again after ZOS gave them a chance. If he did, well he's stupid but I don't think he did because of incidents happening on PC EU where 2 pretty well known players got banned for using CE, which came AFTER German got banned + the *** in NA with CE. One of those 2 players literally used it for 30 seconds and he got detected, and he had no prior bans for outright cheating. German was already banned for using it, so the likelyhood he could hide the use of CE for another few months before his eventual perma ban seems impossible to me. And in those few months, he still proved he was as skilled as he was before he got banned for CE.
As for ZOS responding so slow, well that's ZOS for you. Think most pvpers are just waiting on a new game and battlegrounds due to the cheating + lag/other issues in PVP. As someone else said, to allow that weekend of constant CE useage in NA was actually mindblowing.0 -
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✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.
He's done it for years playing this game, and I've dueled him probably thousands of times. It's not a macro. The kid is truly a skilled player. Of course I'm biased when it comes to a friend, but just throwing that out there.
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✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.
He's done it for years playing this game, and I've dueled him probably thousands of times. It's not a macro. The kid is truly a skilled player. Of course I'm biased when it comes to a friend, but just throwing that out there.
Nope. Not buying it. It is flawless everytime unless there is lag. No. Just like he is one of the few with god blessed RNG. Kid dodges projectiles like few others. Literally 7+ dark flares in a row on numerous occasions. I tuned in to his stream to see what was up. The kids stamina barely goes down with that much damage? Come on. Lulz. I dont even fight back. Let him kill me. There is no point when someone has god mode enabledEdited by [Deleted User] on December 28, 2016 3:01AM7 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.
He's done it for years playing this game, and I've dueled him probably thousands of times. It's not a macro. The kid is truly a skilled player. Of course I'm biased when it comes to a friend, but just throwing that out there.
The only thing questionable to me is the consistency of him firing off light attacks into the air when he's buffing and no enemies are nearby, just 100% of the time light attacking before every ability. I don't waste my effort doing that and I don't know anyone else who does either. I consistently light weave when it's appropriate to do so. Either way, maybe it is just a habit, but it absolutely looks like he's just got his 5 ability keys bound to macro keys that fire light > keybind for that particular keybind.Edited by [Deleted User] on December 28, 2016 3:02AMPC/NA
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Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
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✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.
He's done it for years playing this game, and I've dueled him probably thousands of times. It's not a macro. The kid is truly a skilled player. Of course I'm biased when it comes to a friend, but just throwing that out there.
The only thing questionable to me is the consistency of him firing off light attacks into the air when he's buffing and no enemies are nearby, just 100% of the time light attacking before every ability. I don't waste my effort doing that and I don't know anyone else who does either. I consistently light weave when it's appropriate to do so. Either way, maybe it is just a habit, but it absolutely looks like he's just got his 5 ability keys bound to macro keys that fire light > keybind for that particular keybind.
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The only thing questionable to me is the consistency of him firing off light attacks into the air when he's buffing and no enemies are nearby, just 100% of the time light attacking before every ability. I don't waste my effort doing that and I don't know anyone else who does either. I consistently light weave when it's appropriate to do so. Either way, maybe it is just a habit, but it absolutely looks like he's just got his 5 ability keys bound to macro keys that fire light > keybind for that particular keybind.IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.
He's done it for years playing this game, and I've dueled him probably thousands of times. It's not a macro. The kid is truly a skilled player. Of course I'm biased when it comes to a friend, but just throwing that out there.
Think what you want. I appreciate you being as respectful as possible. We can agree to disagree.Edited by [Deleted User] on December 28, 2016 3:03AM0 -
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✭✭Darnathian wrote: »IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Imo the most OP macro in pvp is one that spams Q to repair a wall while you rest your fingers and take bite to eat / drink.
#Stonemason banwave inc.
But yeah, no good players use macros in actual pvp combat.
I have to agree with this. I can light weave, light/bash weave, and block cancel when needed and there are plenty of situations where I don't want to, such as making sure I use an Empower on a strong ability. If you end up using separate binds for your macros you are just complicating your setup, all for doing something that you can easily do without the complication.
There is a popular streamer who runs macros for light+ability weaves. I don't watch his stream, but I'd bet there are plenty of situations he gets himself into where he really didn't want that light attack firing off while he was trying to buff. Of course people call him out on the stream and he calls it "habit" so who knows.
He's done it for years playing this game, and I've dueled him probably thousands of times. It's not a macro. The kid is truly a skilled player. Of course I'm biased when it comes to a friend, but just throwing that out there.
Nope. Not buying it. It is flawless everytime unless there is lag. No. Just like he is one of the few with god blessed RNG. Kid dodges projectiles like few others. Literally 7+ dark flares in a row on numerous occasions. I tuned in to his stream to see what was up. The kids stamina barely goes down with that much damage? Come on. Lulz. I dont even fight back. Let him kill me. There is no point when someone has god mode enabled
Dark flares have a cast time. You can also see them. So like, dodging them is pretty possible. Idk what the point here is.Edited by [Deleted User] on December 28, 2016 3:03AM0