Miat's PVP alerts.

Tavore1138

The bigger problem is it spoils all PvP as it makes it too easy to know how many players are defending or attacking at a given objective which takes a lot of the strategy and tactics out for those of us naive enough to actually play for a campaign... although the gank thing is getting the attention it ruins other aspects as well...

If ZOS want to stop ganking then they should just be open about it instead of allowing this sort of stuff by the back door which ruins other aspects of the game too, but they are probably too busy dyeing a batch of elks purple for the next limited time mount release.

Runs

Last night was great... /s

Our group had one person at Arius keeping an eye on a blue tower farm. The rest of us decided to port to Ash and ride up to Aleswell. As soon as we got in distance of the keep(in stealth no attacks made on anything), our team member at Arius started mentioning the blues suiciding themselves.

That same group that was in the tower farm at Arius came rushing out the front door of Aleswell.

Thanks Miat.

ZOS_JohanaB

Several comments have been removed from this thread again. Try to keep it civil.

NagualV

My preferred style of play is stealth, and my pvp characer is a "non proc set" stamblade. Been playing since launch, pvping since 2015. I recognize the problems with stealth in this game and will acknowledge them. Many good players have posted in this thread, expressing legitimate issues with the way stealth works in this game.

However, no logical person can argue that this addon is good for the game. I would like to see a logical argument supporting this addon; I don't believe there is one.

I will choose to be positive about this and assume that ZOS simply needs time to evaluate everything and put forth a proper solution. Otherwise, I will not pvp anymore.

L2Pissue

that add on destroyed PvP more than it already is

EnviousStruggle

im sick of gankers with proc sts today
i will install this addon right now

ThePonzzz

Hurika wrote: »

How about an response? How long does it take to "discuss it"?

My experience with "discuss it" is if they change their ruling, you'll know.

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

im sick of gankers with proc sts today
i will install this addon right now

You won't get much relief on single gankers with this add-on unless you're in a dead area. It's more helpful with detecting stealth raids incoming.

Saturn

kyle.wilson wrote: »

This add-on doesn't make players gank proof. It does quite the opposite, players become to relaxed.
You just have to initiate combat cold with no buffs or weapon swaps.

Lol, yeah, just don't use any skills and you are fine... The fact that this is the way to "deal" with the addon is ***, and I think speaks volumes about the extent of what it detects, and why it should be banned by ZOS.

I agree that it doesn't make people gankproof, since I have ganked people with it (you have to focus on speed, so they can't block your incoming attack before it lands). The API might have been exploited since launch, but there's definitely a clear difference now that almost everyone seems to run it, since I definitely never noticed people blocking my stealth attacks before, lol.

I can't tell if you are supporting the addon or not, but let me just say this: It's cheating, no other word for it. It gives people an advantage, which as you say, can only be avoided if you don't buff or swap bars (which is something everyone does, all the f*****g time). It's abusing a flaw in the API, and ZOS has already stated that they are planning on making changes to the API. If they wanted something like this in the game it would be a feature. There's no way they can be okay with the stealth mechanic in PvP being disrupted to such an extent.

kadar

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

...Yep. I've watched a couple friends become essentially obsolete. The addon has almost 4,500 downloads in less than a month. It sucks for them, honestly.

You have build that does thing > Dude writes addon that prevents said thing > ZOS says, "we may make changes" > You....wait.

Laggus

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some off topic and disruptive comments. I understand that this topic is important to all of you but please keep your posts civil and constructive.

So is this confirmation it's not important to ZOS as well or just you?

Emencie

This is likely bigger than we think. There is no counter at all to stealth gankers native in the game. They are invisible and can dish out your full lifebar in damage in less time than a person can react to. They are far too powerful and have been a problem for some time.

Then along comes an add-on that gives some tools to counter the gank. Well this is a good thing right? Well not completely, because it counters it too well. But it's on the right track, there shouldn't be a build that can 1 shot peope without any counterplay.

I would not be surprised if that is what ZOS is weighing, what to keep, what to leave out. Because we needed something.

Hurika

Can someone that knows more about the addons for ESO explain if the changes in the latest patch notes on PTS for housing in 2.7.2 affect this addon or if they are unrelated?

Addons
Effects that last longer than 30 seconds now follow the same rules as effects that last less than 30 seconds: they are only available to player-made addons if they are cast by the player or cast on the player.

svartorn

Add this to the ever-growing list of reasons not to go to cyrodiil anymore.

Broken f**king game.

timidobserver

The_Outsider wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

...Yep. I've watched a couple friends become essentially obsolete. The addon has almost 4,500 downloads in less than a month. It sucks for them, honestly.

You have build that does thing > Dude writes addon that prevents said thing > ZOS says, "we may make changes" > You....wait.

It must suck when your entire playstyle is based around trolling people. Even if the addon is bad the average person can't be bothered to defend gankers.

maxjapank

Runs wrote: »

Last night was great... /s

Our group had one person at Arius keeping an eye on a blue tower farm. The rest of us decided to port to Ash and ride up to Aleswell. As soon as we got in distance of the keep(in stealth no attacks made on anything), our team member at Arius started mentioning the blues suiciding themselves.

That same group that was in the tower farm at Arius came rushing out the front door of Aleswell.

Thanks Miat.

You have no proof that this addon caused you to be seen. You could have also been spotted on your ride up from Ash. One thing to know, though, is that the addon only picks up on you if you do something like cast a spell, swap weapons, drink a potion, etc. I am not fully aware of what in all triggers the stealth for the addon. So forgive me for being mistaken. But I do know that as long as you are just moving and not doing anything else, it won't pick you up.

But again, there is no proof that this addon is what gave you away.

QahnaarinDynar

timidobserver wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

...Yep. I've watched a couple friends become essentially obsolete. The addon has almost 4,500 downloads in less than a month. It sucks for them, honestly.

You have build that does thing > Dude writes addon that prevents said thing > ZOS says, "we may make changes" > You....wait.

It must suck when your entire playstyle is based around trolling people. Even if the addon is bad the average person can't be bothered to defend gankers.

This is exactly the problem... you're completely right timid. The people who rely on cheap tricks are the ones who are mainly complaining because they can't survive in a real fight without their little cloaks and daggers. As I wrote earlier in this thread, whether this addon exists or not is irrelevant to anyone who knows what they're doing in PvP, because the smart thing to do is to always assume there are stealthed enemies around you. I chased down a ganker just a few days ago when I last played IC who was ruining people's tel var farming outside of the AD base just as they returned from a topside run. Two of my friends lost about 10k of tel var each because of this guy.

I was killed twice by the same person because they caught me off guard (but luckily I had no TV). By the third time when I had a good idea of where he was, all I had to do was stam sorc things, render his cloaks useless and watch his hp go to zero. Seriously, the saltmine is real. And I STILL will not use this addon because it's a pointless waste of my PC's resources. I don't even freaking complain to ZoS asking them to nerf gankblades, because the satisfaction of killing them myself while not relying on stealth is way more enjoyable than robbing them of their "best tools".

kadar

timidobserver wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

...Yep. I've watched a couple friends become essentially obsolete. The addon has almost 4,500 downloads in less than a month. It sucks for them, honestly.

You have build that does thing > Dude writes addon that prevents said thing > ZOS says, "we may make changes" > You....wait.

It must suck when your entire playstyle is based around trolling people. Even if the addon is bad the average person can't be bothered to defend gankers.

Attacking from stealth = trolling other players? It's a legitimate play style that's existed since the inception of the game. It can be defended against and countered. It can be either successful and fail horribly. We know this.

The friends I was referring to are not trolls. They are older gamers, so they play the game/deal with stuff like arthritis and surgeries. One guy only has 1 hand... They simple can't button mash and pull off 3-4 actions in 1 GCD like some streamers/high level players can. They like to be effective at killing other players just like anyone else. Miat's addon says, "that's great that you like to gank. I don't like to be ganked so I've got this code that renders me un-gankable. Good luck out there."

timidobserver

The_Outsider wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

...Yep. I've watched a couple friends become essentially obsolete. The addon has almost 4,500 downloads in less than a month. It sucks for them, honestly.

You have build that does thing > Dude writes addon that prevents said thing > ZOS says, "we may make changes" > You....wait.

It must suck when your entire playstyle is based around trolling people. Even if the addon is bad the average person can't be bothered to defend gankers.

Attacking from stealth = trolling other players? It's a legitimate play style that's existed since the inception of the game. It can be defended against and countered. It can be either successful and fail horribly. We know this.

The friends I was referring to are not trolls. They are older gamers, so they play the game/deal with stuff like arthritis and surgeries. One guy only has 1 hand... They simple can't button mash and pull off 3-4 actions in 1 GCD like some streamers/high level players can. They like to be effective at killing other players just like anyone else. Miat's addon says, "that's great that you like to gank. I don't like to be ganked so I've got this code that renders me un-gankable. Good luck out there."

The point being, there probably aren't going to be a lot of people coming out to defend gankers outside of the gankers themselves. The playstyle doesn't exactly garner sympathy lol. The only other people that are seriously harmed by the addon are hardcasting frag sorcs.

jimshrum3b14_ESO

I love this add on. I have yet to be ganked after installing it.

kadar

timidobserver wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

...Yep. I've watched a couple friends become essentially obsolete. The addon has almost 4,500 downloads in less than a month. It sucks for them, honestly.

You have build that does thing > Dude writes addon that prevents said thing > ZOS says, "we may make changes" > You....wait.

It must suck when your entire playstyle is based around trolling people. Even if the addon is bad the average person can't be bothered to defend gankers.

Attacking from stealth = trolling other players? It's a legitimate play style that's existed since the inception of the game. It can be defended against and countered. It can be either successful and fail horribly. We know this.

The friends I was referring to are not trolls. They are older gamers, so they play the game/deal with stuff like arthritis and surgeries. One guy only has 1 hand... They simple can't button mash and pull off 3-4 actions in 1 GCD like some streamers/high level players can. They like to be effective at killing other players just like anyone else. Miat's addon says, "that's great that you like to gank. I don't like to be ganked so I've got this code that renders me un-gankable. Good luck out there."

The point being, there probably aren't going to be a lot of people coming out to defend gankers outside of the gankers themselves. The playstyle doesn't exactly garner sympathy lol. The only other people that are seriously harmed by the addon are hardcasting frag sorcs.

I mean...I understand that many ppl don't like gankers. And the more I read the more I understand that that is the sole reason most people are ok with the addon.....

My stance would be the same if Miat's addon somehow bypassed the ability of a Tank to tank, or a Healer to heal. What is your play style of preference? mSorc? I'm writing an addon that bypasses your ability to use damage shields. It's cool though, cause you can still be a mSorc.

AlexTech0x

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

Several comments have been removed from this thread again. Try to keep it civil.

try to care

Hearts_Wake

'Tis cheat. There's already counter stealth (detect pots, magelight).

Lylith

when zos bans the steath breaking, autofire, non-los, aimbot helms from pvp, this add on can go, too.

til then...

Zvorgin

I appreciate the simplicity of the console version for combat and have nothing but disdain for it in the market place.

Ankael07

First, we have animation canceling without a tutorial in the game whatsoever. Now this addon that changes stealth gameplay significantly. New players are in a real disadvantage at this point.

jmgrant44ub17_ESO

This is not cheating but it feels like cheating.

Cheating is the getting of a reward for ability or finding an easy way out of an unpleasant situation by dishonest means. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation. Competitive game play is not a part of the game with CE, unbalanced classes, unbalanced campaigns, and addons that change gameplay.

We just need to stop beating our head against the wall and realize this will never change. ZOS has had plenty of time to fix PVP but they refuse to, will not dedicate the resources or, don't have the skill to do so (I tend to think it's the latter).

I really don't think ZOS ever spent the time to think out PVP from day one and I don't think they care what happens in Cyrodiil.

EnviousStruggle

RIP!!
and many other features in any addons too!!

ScooberSteve

Never used it. I prefer to polish my pvp skills and situational awareness.

Sigma957

I used it for the first time today but after a bit I disabled most of it and just kept the part that was showing how many players were in that area from each faction. Was nice to know that 15 EP defended BRK from 22 AD

kadar

Here's the specific thread where the conversation "went down."

http://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29446

Sounds like they will change the API so that a player gets no information on another player that is considered "hostile." Thereby leaving in place the ability for things like FTC to read a friendly players buffs.