Miat's PVP alerts.

Kutsuu

Lewandowsky wrote: »

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

i like this addon
so i am a cheater too?

No. Look up gaming exploit however; not everyone agrees but if you feel the designers did not intend people be forewarned of channeling with heavies or others to allow blocking and rolling... that's kind of the definition. Not everyone agrees.[SNIp] don't turn your brain off and go with the crazies because it's convenient. Gonna have to decide for yourself til zos decides what to do.

[Edited for Real life politics]

Well they kinda did actually... you remember those block/dodge alerts that the base game has in PVE? They exposed that to the API so that GUIs could display them too. They just weren't using them for PVP the way this addon does.

ZOS has allowed use of it until further notice. You guys are just going to have to deal with that. Calling everyone cheaters is kinda pathetic.

rfennell_ESO

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

im telling i like this addon and im using it and this addon not a cheat
but according to your blatant logic i am a cheater?

you are reported for slander

Technically it would be libel... not slander.

Also being you don't attach a character name to your forum account you can't actually claim he's damaged your reputation. Even if you did, you would be hard pressed to show hardship.

Good luck with the legal action!

Grabmoore

He damages his reputation for himself by admitting the use of a non intended addon.

Please zos disable ALL addons until you found a solution for this mess!

Lewandowsky

Kutsuu wrote: »

Well they kinda did actually... you remember those block/dodge alerts that the base game has in PVE? They exposed that to the API so that GUIs could display them too. They just weren't using them for PVP the way this addon does.

ZOS has allowed use of it until further notice. You guys are just going to have to deal with that. Calling everyone cheaters is kinda pathetic.

Yeah it's not impossible they'll leave it intact. But I can't believe that they intended people be forewarned of stealth actions of enemy players based on a training alerts for pve. Doesn't seem equivalent, and I don't think you ever got those alerts on pvp in the vanilla and I don't think that's an accident.

But yeah. Gotta deal with it.

EnviousStruggle

Grabmoore wrote: »

He damages his reputation for himself by admitting the use of a non intended addon.

Please zos disable ALL addons until you found a solution for this mess!

my reputation is not damaged

but your not wortha single penny

QahnaarinDynar

I heard about this for the first time yesterday in IC/Trueflame after DC ganker who I killed twice whispered me saying: "I can tell you're using that Miat addon." So google brought me to this discussion and what do I find? Something utterly hilarious!

Really, who needs an addon when some bitter experience that any regular PvP'er would have tells them that you should always assume that there are hidden enemies in your vicinity? Whenever I cap a point in IC, both before and after, I cast revealing flare several times just to make sure that there aren't any gankers lurking about. It's just basic...

With or without this addon, there is an abundance of players who can saltmine the gankers just by using a little bit of experience when doing their stuff in Cyrodiil/IC. Even if ZoS banned its use or changed their API it wouldn't change the fact that those who depend on ganking to get their kills will still get ruined by players with even the most rudimentary experience. As for me, I don't see why I should waste any of my PC's resources on an addon that won't benefit my play style at all.

God_flakes

QahnaarinDynar wrote: »

I heard about this for the first time yesterday in IC/Trueflame after DC ganker who I killed twice whispered me saying: "I can tell you're using that Miat addon." So google brought me to this discussion and what do I find? Something utterly hilarious!

Really, who needs an addon when some bitter experience that any regular PvP'er would have tells them that you should always assume that there are hidden enemies in your vicinity? Whenever I cap a point in IC, both before and after, I cast revealing flare several times just to make sure that there aren't any gankers lurking about. It's just basic...

With or without this addon, there is an abundance of players who can saltmine the gankers just by using a little bit of experience when doing their stuff in Cyrodiil/IC. Even if ZoS banned its use or changed their API it wouldn't change the fact that those who depend on ganking to get their kills will still get ruined by players with even the most rudimentary experience. As for me, I don't see why I should waste any of my PC's resources on an addon that won't benefit my play style at all.

you're exactly right! I always assume I'm surrounded by sganks. And truthfully 98% of the time I die to them because I'm distracted by whispers, derping in my invent, tabbed out messing with teamspeak, or straight up standing there out of stealrh myself because I don't really care if they kill me or I need to be bloodported anyway. They're not hard to avoid. Anyone who needs this add on is a training wheeler.

QahnaarinDynar

God_flakes wrote: »

QahnaarinDynar wrote: »

I heard about this for the first time yesterday in IC/Trueflame after DC ganker who I killed twice whispered me saying: "I can tell you're using that Miat addon." So google brought me to this discussion and what do I find? Something utterly hilarious!

Really, who needs an addon when some bitter experience that any regular PvP'er would have tells them that you should always assume that there are hidden enemies in your vicinity? Whenever I cap a point in IC, both before and after, I cast revealing flare several times just to make sure that there aren't any gankers lurking about. It's just basic...

With or without this addon, there is an abundance of players who can saltmine the gankers just by using a little bit of experience when doing their stuff in Cyrodiil/IC. Even if ZoS banned its use or changed their API it wouldn't change the fact that those who depend on ganking to get their kills will still get ruined by players with even the most rudimentary experience. As for me, I don't see why I should waste any of my PC's resources on an addon that won't benefit my play style at all.

you're exactly right! I always assume I'm surrounded by sganks. And truthfully 98% of the time I die to them because I'm distracted by whispers, derping in my invent, tabbed out messing with teamspeak, or straight up standing there out of stealrh myself because I don't really care if they kill me or I need to be bloodported anyway. They're not hard to avoid. Anyone who needs this add on is a training wheeler.

Yeah, basically. I'll admit I've often lost to ganks because of lack of experience in the past, and I've also lost because I've faced several heavyblade builds that are really tough to deal with in the hands of a skilled player. I've lost 25k tel var stones to a ganker once, but I didn't run to the forums begging ZoS to nerf nightblades or other manner of gankers because I got done in good and hard. The only thing I feel when that happens is a excitement at the next time I run into one, because I try to make sure that I don't repeat my mistakes.

God_flakes

QahnaarinDynar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

QahnaarinDynar wrote: »

I heard about this for the first time yesterday in IC/Trueflame after DC ganker who I killed twice whispered me saying: "I can tell you're using that Miat addon." So google brought me to this discussion and what do I find? Something utterly hilarious!

Really, who needs an addon when some bitter experience that any regular PvP'er would have tells them that you should always assume that there are hidden enemies in your vicinity? Whenever I cap a point in IC, both before and after, I cast revealing flare several times just to make sure that there aren't any gankers lurking about. It's just basic...

With or without this addon, there is an abundance of players who can saltmine the gankers just by using a little bit of experience when doing their stuff in Cyrodiil/IC. Even if ZoS banned its use or changed their API it wouldn't change the fact that those who depend on ganking to get their kills will still get ruined by players with even the most rudimentary experience. As for me, I don't see why I should waste any of my PC's resources on an addon that won't benefit my play style at all.

you're exactly right! I always assume I'm surrounded by sganks. And truthfully 98% of the time I die to them because I'm distracted by whispers, derping in my invent, tabbed out messing with teamspeak, or straight up standing there out of stealrh myself because I don't really care if they kill me or I need to be bloodported anyway. They're not hard to avoid. Anyone who needs this add on is a training wheeler.

Yeah, basically. I'll admit I've often lost to ganks because of lack of experience in the past, and I've also lost because I've faced several heavyblade builds that are really tough to deal with in the hands of a skilled player. I've lost 25k tel var stones to a ganker once, but I didn't run to the forums begging ZoS to nerf nightblades or other manner of gankers because I got done in good and hard. The only thing I feel when that happens is a excitement at the next time I run into one, because I try to make sure that I don't repeat my mistakes.

Yeah when I stay focused I can ward off most gank attacks and maneuver into a zerg curtain to escape one haha. But yeah, these constant calls for nerfing this and that and excitement over mods like this I find very silly and amusing, as well. Kind of an Animal Farm mentality.

QahnaarinDynar

God_flakes wrote: »

QahnaarinDynar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

QahnaarinDynar wrote: »

I heard about this for the first time yesterday in IC/Trueflame after DC ganker who I killed twice whispered me saying: "I can tell you're using that Miat addon." So google brought me to this discussion and what do I find? Something utterly hilarious!

Really, who needs an addon when some bitter experience that any regular PvP'er would have tells them that you should always assume that there are hidden enemies in your vicinity? Whenever I cap a point in IC, both before and after, I cast revealing flare several times just to make sure that there aren't any gankers lurking about. It's just basic...

With or without this addon, there is an abundance of players who can saltmine the gankers just by using a little bit of experience when doing their stuff in Cyrodiil/IC. Even if ZoS banned its use or changed their API it wouldn't change the fact that those who depend on ganking to get their kills will still get ruined by players with even the most rudimentary experience. As for me, I don't see why I should waste any of my PC's resources on an addon that won't benefit my play style at all.

you're exactly right! I always assume I'm surrounded by sganks. And truthfully 98% of the time I die to them because I'm distracted by whispers, derping in my invent, tabbed out messing with teamspeak, or straight up standing there out of stealrh myself because I don't really care if they kill me or I need to be bloodported anyway. They're not hard to avoid. Anyone who needs this add on is a training wheeler.

Yeah, basically. I'll admit I've often lost to ganks because of lack of experience in the past, and I've also lost because I've faced several heavyblade builds that are really tough to deal with in the hands of a skilled player. I've lost 25k tel var stones to a ganker once, but I didn't run to the forums begging ZoS to nerf nightblades or other manner of gankers because I got done in good and hard. The only thing I feel when that happens is a excitement at the next time I run into one, because I try to make sure that I don't repeat my mistakes.

Yeah when I stay focused I can ward off most gank attacks and maneuver into a zerg curtain to escape one haha. But yeah, these constant calls for nerfing this and that and excitement over mods like this I find very silly and amusing, as well. Kind of an Animal Farm mentality.

The nerfing calls are typically made by the salt nuglets of this game who just aren't prepared to spend any time studying the vast amount of tools that are available to the player which can be used to severely undermine someone who is supposedly "OP".

Funny story now that you mention zergs. I was once being chased by a bloo ganker in IC and I just ball of lightning'd through a red zerg when I was still using that morph, I got away somehow and the bloo got shanked good when he realized he couldn't get away from the reds who decided to go after him instead of me. Much lulz were had that night.

Robbmrp

Wait, so there are some people that need an addon to let them know there are other people around in Cyrodil?!?!

For those mentioned above, are you looking for property as I have some really nice water front property available for purchase.....

Acrolas

All this time I thought this was just a Matt Firor thread with Matt's name misspelled.

But, wow. Thanks to this add-on I finally found Emily. I MISSED YOU SO MUCH EMILY.

Bunneh

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Thank you for the detailed reply. Have there been any internal discussions, or any upcoming plans, to institute a no add-ons or no UI PVP campaign?

There are quite a few people who truly enjoy the barebones original UI but are forced into using both add ons and "floaty number" ZOS made UI upgrades in order to maintain competitive balance.

You're welcome! Unfortunately, it isn't currently possible to disable addons for just one campaign and not the others.

I'm surprised the add-ons are not being removed to placate the PvPers (again), as with proc set crits etc. PvP is king after all, and PvE just pays the bills. I for one am happy to sacrifice the excellent utility that add-ons provide in PvE to once again appease the PvP brigade.

Minalan

Enslaved wrote: »

Sure. Whatever. Welcome to ignore list.

Stop getting all hyper-sensitive and triggered.

Take a breath.

Now go stealth up on a rock. Target and heavy attack people with a melee weapon from a long distance.

Watch the add-on 'users' lose their shi...err stuff trying to buff up, shield, dodge roll, and block in panic mode.

Have a laugh. Troll until you feel better. Post a video of the antics so we can share in the joy.

GawdSB

Wish I could use this on XB1. NBs should see how it is to actually use skill to kill someone with this addon.

ThePonzzz

Having seen this in action a few days ago, the player counter in your area is certainly too good in my opinion. It's especially good when you're scouting keeps or on guard duty in areas that aren't getting heavy action. We were able to determine that hitting Faregyl was not a smart move since there were a lot of people likely inside the keep, but Drakelowe was completely unmanned and ripe for the taking. While this might not be useful in hot spots, it's pretty over the top with knowing when to hit keeps in deep enemy territory.

danno8

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

It adds an extra element of strategy to ganking, and an extra element of rage to the victim who thinks they are safe.

While not judging the playstyle, i have a question for you:)

Why would you want to oneshot people and, especially to get enjoyment from their 'rage'.

You didn't outplay them. Even with the addon the only thing you can outplay is the addon itself. You can't even taunt your 'victims' because they don't have to make mistakes to get oneshot.

I can understand that now with the addon ganking becomes more of a challenge, but before that?

So if you're so inclined, tell me what do you enjoy in this specific playstyle as it is right now.

Thank you:)

Tbh, if someone gets oneshoted, he is doing it wrong.
I might be talking from DK perspective, but a build that gets oneshoted is a bad build. I mean, if you run 20k hp or less in a medium/light armor, being visible - you are asking for it.

About "outplaying". This is not a board game. It is not a duel. It is war. And in war you have ganks. With this addon, you lose the aspect of surprise. Can't sneak into a keep when it's open. Can't burn enemy's tent and turn the battle in your alliance favor. Can't disturbe the flow of enemies simply by killing one and changing spots, since now they will know you are there by simply buffing yourself, even if they cannot hear/see you. Not to mention that if NPC notices you, everyone will know you are there, without even seeing/hearing you. All it gets now is to have one person in each keep, and surprise sieges are no more.

So what are we left with now? Zergs, or ultra tanky groups with a few sorcers as dps to take enemy resources. Pretty boring stuff, if you ask me.

I've seen people with 30k+ hp get one shotted.

I've seen emp's get instant killed by 2 gankers.

It's not that people have 'bad builds' its just the fact that power creep has lead to gank's being far too effect, plus the whole sneak system is a joke to begin with.

In one of SRIBES more recent videos he kills a 60k health heavy armor Templar in under 2 seconds. I think some people just don't realize how front loaded the damage of certain builds have become when all procs line up properly.

Ankael07

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

i like this addon
so i am a cheater too?

And what happens when ZOS disables the addon? Just be cause the title is ''addon'' doesnt mean its healthy for the game.

EnviousStruggle

so what happening hare
sky still falling?

Tryxus

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

so what happening hare
sky still falling?

Every day on these forums

danno8

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Having seen this in action a few days ago, the player counter in your area is certainly too good in my opinion. It's especially good when you're scouting keeps or on guard duty in areas that aren't getting heavy action. We were able to determine that hitting Faregyl was not a smart move since there were a lot of people likely inside the keep, but Drakelowe was completely unmanned and ripe for the taking. While this might not be useful in hot spots, it's pretty over the top with knowing when to hit keeps in deep enemy territory.

Fare has people and Drakelowe was empty? Unheard of! Seriously though, Emperor keeps will always be busy, as well as Fare, Glade and Arrius. The gate 6 will only be populated if that side gets pushed back, and the outer ones are empty nearly immediately after they are taken.

Been playing with this addon for the last few days. For me I think the warning of the "channeled" attack from stealth is BS, even though I hate being insta-killed. I don't mind the player counter nor do I find the "this player has stealthed somewhere within 60m of you" to be overly useful either.

I am sure it will get changed, but to me, this thing was just misunderstood by many as to what it could do.

raffael.geislerb16_ESO

I don't think going stealth was ever meant to send an alert to everyone in the area that a hidden player is nearby. This breaks more tactics involving stealth than just ganking. And there is the warning for attacks from hidden characters, allowing to counter their attack. Without the add-on, this is not possible. Bypassing the ingame pvp character detection methods with a third party program is usually considered cheating. This add-on has to be disabled if ZOS does not endorse cheating.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Jumping into this thread a little late, but LMAO with this addon. It basically makes you gank proof. Once you hear the alert, you block, wait for the ganker to blow his load, stun him, and laugh as the tea-bagging commences. I have not been successfully ganked with this addon running.

Edit: Should also point out that this addon made me constantly crash, so I had to disable it, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I think there are some cool things in the addon for battle size, etc., but whether this is cheating I guess is a call for the devs. I will not be shocked if/when they remove it. In the meantime, I can see why the gankers are raging. It pretty much eliminates them as a threat.

Tavore1138

Having been into PvP lately this add-on sure feels like it's spoiling PvP - let ZoS judge if it a cheat or not as they have shown such a firm grasp on that in the past and certainly have never decided something isn't cheating simply 'cos they can't be bothered to fix a bug...

But running in a group where people had it it influenced what we did in a major way - we bypassed keeps to attack undefended ones because we could tell which ones had people inside, we didn't bother with any stealth related tactics or ambushes because we knew it would be a waste of time, we could judge whether to support an action or go start another front based on how many of each alliance were around us...

It felt dirty, it felt like we were playing a game within a game not the game itself - it took the fun and surprise out of being on either end of a well judged ambush... this add on will kill spontaneity or force people to find ways to fool the interface simply to be able to play... and that may not be cheating but it does make the game worse.

WeylandLabs

I think his post backfired lol

Ackwalan

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Miat’s PVP Alerts addon was brought to our attention earlier in the week, and we’ve been running some internal tests on it to gauge functionality and impact. We are still evaluating this addon, and may make changes to the game’s API as a result. Here’s an explanation of how it works, and what it does and doesn’t do:

Miat’s PVP Alerts addon is built upon actions done by players that the combat log records. This includes sprinting, casting an ability, weapon swapping, drinking a potion, stealthing, etc. If a player executes any of those actions, basic messages are sent to the server and clients. This mod hooks into those notifications and filters them to give information about who is in the area. That info is then turned into either a KOS list determined by the player, a stealthier list, or simply an incremental value of players in the area (all are a rough estimation.)

The KOS list, specifically, is simply another layer on top of the above options, where the addon looks for specific players that you can choose to add to a list. When those players perform an action within your existing area of detection, you will be notified that they are in the area. You are not provided info on exactly where they are. Here are a few specific examples:

• If someone is in your existing area of detection and they fully enter stealth, the addon will notify you of the name of the player character that successfully went fully “hidden.”
• If someone is already stealthed and you’re traveling near then, or enter the area they were initially already stealthed in, you will not be notified of that player.
• If someone uses a Nightblade ability that results in them vanishing, they will not trigger the addon’s alert unless they enter the real “hidden” state (i.e. the eye on the HUD is closed).

Lastly this addon adds a kill spam list which shows you when someone has died in your existing area of detection, and to what ability. When you first get these messages, it simply says “Someone has died to Dark Flare.” When you start to get more information on the players around you, it adds that player name to the Saved Variables file for PVPAlerts.lua, then starts to add that information into your UI while playing.

Note that in all the above examples, you are not notified of exactly where the player is. This addon does not add a little blip to your map or compass, and does not give you an overlay that points out specifically where players are. This addon is not radar, a Doppler, or any other means of giving away another player’s exact position.

We want to thank everyone for sharing your concerns with us about this addon.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

It's been a few weeks now, can we get an official response on whether an add-on that is able to detect the actions people in stealth take, as well as who they are is legitimate. People are already pointing to your comment about "not taking action at this time" as a go ahead to make more add-ons that can do similar things, if not more. Thanks.

Tryxus

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Miat’s PVP Alerts addon was brought to our attention earlier in the week, and we’ve been running some internal tests on it to gauge functionality and impact. We are still evaluating this addon, and may make changes to the game’s API as a result. Here’s an explanation of how it works, and what it does and doesn’t do:

Miat’s PVP Alerts addon is built upon actions done by players that the combat log records. This includes sprinting, casting an ability, weapon swapping, drinking a potion, stealthing, etc. If a player executes any of those actions, basic messages are sent to the server and clients. This mod hooks into those notifications and filters them to give information about who is in the area. That info is then turned into either a KOS list determined by the player, a stealthier list, or simply an incremental value of players in the area (all are a rough estimation.)

The KOS list, specifically, is simply another layer on top of the above options, where the addon looks for specific players that you can choose to add to a list. When those players perform an action within your existing area of detection, you will be notified that they are in the area. You are not provided info on exactly where they are. Here are a few specific examples:

• If someone is in your existing area of detection and they fully enter stealth, the addon will notify you of the name of the player character that successfully went fully “hidden.”
• If someone is already stealthed and you’re traveling near then, or enter the area they were initially already stealthed in, you will not be notified of that player.
• If someone uses a Nightblade ability that results in them vanishing, they will not trigger the addon’s alert unless they enter the real “hidden” state (i.e. the eye on the HUD is closed).

Lastly this addon adds a kill spam list which shows you when someone has died in your existing area of detection, and to what ability. When you first get these messages, it simply says “Someone has died to Dark Flare.” When you start to get more information on the players around you, it adds that player name to the Saved Variables file for PVPAlerts.lua, then starts to add that information into your UI while playing.

Note that in all the above examples, you are not notified of exactly where the player is. This addon does not add a little blip to your map or compass, and does not give you an overlay that points out specifically where players are. This addon is not radar, a Doppler, or any other means of giving away another player’s exact position.

We want to thank everyone for sharing your concerns with us about this addon.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

It's been a few weeks now, can we get an official response on whether an add-on that is able to detect the actions people in stealth take, as well as who they are is legitimate. People are already pointing to your comment about "not taking action at this time" as a go ahead to make more add-ons that can do similar things, if not more. Thanks.

Might come with the PTS update, under dem Natch Potes?

Vizier

Ever wonder why some players seem to have ESP?....there you have it.

Hurika

How about an response? How long does it take to "discuss it"?

JDar

Scrub-blade 101, taught by Professor Miat