Miat's PVP alerts.

Rasimir

I had a look at the addon for some days now. From my point of view it is ridiculous what kind of information is available to the addon. I think EVERY information about other players has to go. A client should not need those details, and not sending them at all (except some stuff needed for animations) may even reduce lag (I guess these infos are sent to all clients regardless of addons using them or not). Some carefully designed information about group members may also stay (health, magicka, stamina maybe), but details about attacks against them should go as well.

Maikon

Rasimir wrote: »

I had a look at the addon for some days now. From my point of view it is ridiculous what kind of information is available to the addon. I think EVERY information about other players has to go. A client should not need those details, and not sending them at all (except some stuff needed for animations) may even reduce lag (I guess these infos are sent to all clients regardless of addons using them or not). Some carefully designed information about group members may also stay (health, magicka, stamina maybe), but details about attacks against them should go as well.

It should be "ALL" and not "EVERY", but more to the point, that would mean not just this, but several add-ons would get removed. IMO they should just remove all add-ons altogether if all people are gonna do is complain.

MerkzM8

So now, due to this dumb add on we can no longer heavy attack gank, thanks zenimax.

Riejael

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

The addon should be neutralised and anyone, in future, using a similar (unpublished to keep it quiet) addon should be banned.

Because of your emotions? I dare you to give a reason why that is without being emotional and without resorting to a personal attack.

I mean ZOS already said they won't ban anyone so I think you're in a sticky situation because this is now 'other MMOs'. Your 'ideal' version of ESO is now dead.

Will be interesting to see if you can make a decision on what to do next.

Ankael07

Lets say pvp is a human body and it has lung cancer ( proc sets). Now instead of proposing a decent solution (treating the cancer) you decide to fight the cancer by setting the organ on fire , killing the whole body in procces. And the fact that ZoS let this happen shows how oblivious they are to the pvp.

Enslaved

Riejael wrote: »

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

The addon should be neutralised and anyone, in future, using a similar (unpublished to keep it quiet) addon should be banned.

Because of your emotions? I dare you to give a reason why that is without being emotional and without resorting to a personal attack.

I mean ZOS already said they won't ban anyone so I think you're in a sticky situation because this is now 'other MMOs'. Your 'ideal' version of ESO is now dead.

Will be interesting to see if you can make a decision on what to do next.

This is game where you can end banned for hurling mud balls on ppl while they try to change color patterns on their gear. And you seriously ask a question like this?
If you can't understand that sneaking is a huge part of PvP, you have a problem.
If you are OK with an entire class being completely ruined, you have a problem.
And yet you have no shame to tell others "hurr durr this is based on urr feelings"

Face it, this addon is complete bs, and it ruins the PvP way beyond than the damage proc sets and destro ulti did.
I am still amazed Zos isn't putting this bs on the list of bannable addons.

Minalan

Ankael07 wrote: »

Lets say pvp is a human body and it has lung cancer ( proc sets). Now instead of proposing a decent solution (treating the cancer) you decide to fight the cancer by setting the organ on fire , killing the whole body in procces. And the fact that ZoS let this happen shows how oblivious they are to the pvp.

Or the Problem with PVP is the fact that one or two shot ganking is keeping new people and PVE players from joining in Cyrodiil. Because dying like that constantly isn't fun.

gard

Enslaved wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

The addon should be neutralised and anyone, in future, using a similar (unpublished to keep it quiet) addon should be banned.

Because of your emotions? I dare you to give a reason why that is without being emotional and without resorting to a personal attack.

I mean ZOS already said they won't ban anyone so I think you're in a sticky situation because this is now 'other MMOs'. Your 'ideal' version of ESO is now dead.

Will be interesting to see if you can make a decision on what to do next.

This is game where you can end banned for hurling mud balls on ppl while they try to change color patterns on their gear. And you seriously ask a question like this?
If you can't understand that sneaking is a huge part of PvP, you have a problem.
If you are OK with an entire class being completely ruined, you have a problem.
And yet you have no shame to tell others "hurr durr this is based on urr feelings"

Face it, this addon is complete bs, and it ruins the PvP way beyond than the damage proc sets and destro ulti did.
I am still amazed Zos isn't putting this bs on the list of bannable addons.

There's a list of bannable addons?

Huh. News to me.

EnviousStruggle

there is no any list of bannable addons
this little whiners have some sick imagination

Enslaved

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

there is no any list of bannable addons
this little whiners have some sick imagination

Come and tell that in my face, pleb. Alessia bridge, as usual

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

Maikon

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

What I would be passionate about, is if ZOS started fixing broken mechanics and doing something about cheat engine, instead of worrying about peoples hurt feelings.

JD2013

So it's taken a while but here's my thoughts on PVP as a whole in ESO, and this add on is touched on.

https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/on-pvp-and-the-state-of-pvp-in-elder-scrolls-online/

Malamar1229

i was stealthed last night watching the DC zerg on TF go at it with some reds. I am putting my cursor over people just checking out who is there. Two templars suddenly start tossing shards all around and in my area. I move.

I start following them and notice everytime i put my cursor on this fairly well known templar, he turns around like he knows someone is there, tossing random shards around the area.

If anyone thinks this is OK, you're nuts

Lewandowsky

That zos editing was a little out of control...

Malamar1229

Riejael wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

This addon crosses the line, in my opinion. There's a difference between convenience addons and the ones that give a clear advantage in PvP. This is the latter. I would never use something like this, and knowing that many people in PvP will be is pretty discouraging.

I'm sure there are other "things" players are doing in PvP which are probably worse. But as far as supported addons go, I do hope ZOS adjusts the API to make things like this impossible.

I'm curious to know whj you think this addon crosses the line.

Simple. Because it gives players information that they clearly were never intended to see.

I'll turn the question around on you:

How do you justify an addon that notifies me about someone who I am otherwise unaware of going into stealth?

This is how:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Are we allowed to use this addon until you decide upon a judgement?

At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.

I don't give two care's about principles. If its allowed its allowed. They may change API calls in the future which will render parts of the addon inert, and I could care less about that too.

I'm not going to follow your idea of the rules. Screw your idea. Who the hell are you? No seriously, who the hell do you think you are? Not being mean or derogatory, just think about what you are saying and how much impact you actually have on others.

You saying that we shouldn't use this addon because its bad, is the same thing as someone saying we shouldn't use proc sets because they're 'unfair'. I could care less what players think is unfair. I care about what the moderators think. They are the ones who enforce the rules. They are the one's who's opinion ACTUALLY matter.

No amount of guilt tripping, insults, disparagement, or peer pressure from you or others like you will change my opinion or others' opinions. That's just a simple fact. Those who want the features of this addon will use it. Those who want to stick to their principles will either suck it up and use the addon, disadvantage themselves by not using it, stop PVPing, or quit entirely.

They aren't going to render parts or the whole addon inert because you voiced it needed to be done. They really won't They already have a vision to what sort of things an addon can be used for. Look at that post by the ZOS mod explaining how it works. They know this addon inside and out. They know what it does, what it can be used for, and the implications. They've already decided what they will do to it. That will be probably in the next update.

They can't simply ban the addon. Do you know how easy it is to recreate the addon to bypass such a 'banned' feature? The difference is, the addon author won't put it to the public. Guilds with decent LUA coders (and LUA isn't hard to code for) will make addons of their own to exploit these features.

They have to adjust the API calls. This could break legitimate addons. So while we'll likely see some API methods squelched, you won't see all of it. This addon is pandoras box. We're stuck with a large portion of it. It will be nerfed. Don't get me wrong, it IS a concern for the developers. They will put forth fixes.

But don't think for an instant that it will be removed entirely.

Clueless. You state you only listen to ZOS because they're the ones that matter...because ZOS has clearly never been wrong before or never implemented sets/skills that were unfair in the past.

ZOS opinion clearly isnt the only one that matters. How many times in the 2 years have they made changes to "their opinions" based on forum/player cries and complaints?

Persons of authority have been wrong on more than one occasion. Just saying. Stop justifying this, we clearly were not intended to see this data.

Maikon

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

This addon crosses the line, in my opinion. There's a difference between convenience addons and the ones that give a clear advantage in PvP. This is the latter. I would never use something like this, and knowing that many people in PvP will be is pretty discouraging.

I'm sure there are other "things" players are doing in PvP which are probably worse. But as far as supported addons go, I do hope ZOS adjusts the API to make things like this impossible.

I'm curious to know whj you think this addon crosses the line.

Simple. Because it gives players information that they clearly were never intended to see.

I'll turn the question around on you:

How do you justify an addon that notifies me about someone who I am otherwise unaware of going into stealth?

This is how:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Are we allowed to use this addon until you decide upon a judgement?

At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.

I don't give two care's about principles. If its allowed its allowed. They may change API calls in the future which will render parts of the addon inert, and I could care less about that too.

I'm not going to follow your idea of the rules. Screw your idea. Who the hell are you? No seriously, who the hell do you think you are? Not being mean or derogatory, just think about what you are saying and how much impact you actually have on others.

You saying that we shouldn't use this addon because its bad, is the same thing as someone saying we shouldn't use proc sets because they're 'unfair'. I could care less what players think is unfair. I care about what the moderators think. They are the ones who enforce the rules. They are the one's who's opinion ACTUALLY matter.

No amount of guilt tripping, insults, disparagement, or peer pressure from you or others like you will change my opinion or others' opinions. That's just a simple fact. Those who want the features of this addon will use it. Those who want to stick to their principles will either suck it up and use the addon, disadvantage themselves by not using it, stop PVPing, or quit entirely.

They aren't going to render parts or the whole addon inert because you voiced it needed to be done. They really won't They already have a vision to what sort of things an addon can be used for. Look at that post by the ZOS mod explaining how it works. They know this addon inside and out. They know what it does, what it can be used for, and the implications. They've already decided what they will do to it. That will be probably in the next update.

They can't simply ban the addon. Do you know how easy it is to recreate the addon to bypass such a 'banned' feature? The difference is, the addon author won't put it to the public. Guilds with decent LUA coders (and LUA isn't hard to code for) will make addons of their own to exploit these features.

They have to adjust the API calls. This could break legitimate addons. So while we'll likely see some API methods squelched, you won't see all of it. This addon is pandoras box. We're stuck with a large portion of it. It will be nerfed. Don't get me wrong, it IS a concern for the developers. They will put forth fixes.

But don't think for an instant that it will be removed entirely.

Clueless. You state you only listen to ZOS because they're the ones that matter...because ZOS has clearly never been wrong before or never implemented sets/skills that were unfair in the past.

ZOS opinion clearly isnt the only one that matters. How many times in the 2 years have they made changes to "their opinions" based on forum/player cries and complaints?

Persons of authority have been wrong on more than one occasion. Just saying. Stop justifying this, we clearly were not intended to see this data.

I do agree that ZOS is not always right. But regardless if this add-on should be used or not, really doesn't matter. Animation cancelation was never meant to be in game, but a lot of people use it. Sets such as the viper that aren't working as intended are being abused by many. Cheat engine should never be used, but people use it. I rarely see any threads about those issues, so why should this be a hot topic? People clearly weren't meant to fly through the air.

Bumblebeelzebub

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

Perhaps you could repair this division by preventing cheating.

God_flakes

Bumblebeelzebub wrote: »

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

Perhaps you could repair this division by preventing cheating.

Darya has no power or authority over the dev team. She's only a moderator here on the forums and a very reasonable one. Please don't be rude to her.

Bumblebeelzebub

God_flakes wrote: »

Bumblebeelzebub wrote: »

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

Perhaps you could repair this division by preventing cheating.

Darya has no power or authority over the dev team. She's only a moderator here on the forums and a very reasonable one. Please don't be rude to her.

Not her personally, but ZOS. Y'know, the company she represents?

azoriangaming

I think if you removed the stealth thing then this add on would be fine but as it stands if you've got this add on it makes the assassin/rogue playstyle redundant, you can easily tell when someone has this add on start blocking before you even start your a attack, i think zos wants everyone to run around with sword and board block casting that's if they don't do anything about the stealth part of the add on.

don't get me wrong there are some good applications in this add on but just in my opinion some areas of the add on give to much information which is game breaking.

conclusion the add on shouldn't be banned but should be changed in areas to not give playstyles advantages over other playstyles in game.

Malamar1229

Maikon wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

This addon crosses the line, in my opinion. There's a difference between convenience addons and the ones that give a clear advantage in PvP. This is the latter. I would never use something like this, and knowing that many people in PvP will be is pretty discouraging.

I'm sure there are other "things" players are doing in PvP which are probably worse. But as far as supported addons go, I do hope ZOS adjusts the API to make things like this impossible.

I'm curious to know whj you think this addon crosses the line.

Simple. Because it gives players information that they clearly were never intended to see.

I'll turn the question around on you:

How do you justify an addon that notifies me about someone who I am otherwise unaware of going into stealth?

This is how:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Are we allowed to use this addon until you decide upon a judgement?

At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.

I don't give two care's about principles. If its allowed its allowed. They may change API calls in the future which will render parts of the addon inert, and I could care less about that too.

I'm not going to follow your idea of the rules. Screw your idea. Who the hell are you? No seriously, who the hell do you think you are? Not being mean or derogatory, just think about what you are saying and how much impact you actually have on others.

You saying that we shouldn't use this addon because its bad, is the same thing as someone saying we shouldn't use proc sets because they're 'unfair'. I could care less what players think is unfair. I care about what the moderators think. They are the ones who enforce the rules. They are the one's who's opinion ACTUALLY matter.

No amount of guilt tripping, insults, disparagement, or peer pressure from you or others like you will change my opinion or others' opinions. That's just a simple fact. Those who want the features of this addon will use it. Those who want to stick to their principles will either suck it up and use the addon, disadvantage themselves by not using it, stop PVPing, or quit entirely.

They aren't going to render parts or the whole addon inert because you voiced it needed to be done. They really won't They already have a vision to what sort of things an addon can be used for. Look at that post by the ZOS mod explaining how it works. They know this addon inside and out. They know what it does, what it can be used for, and the implications. They've already decided what they will do to it. That will be probably in the next update.

They can't simply ban the addon. Do you know how easy it is to recreate the addon to bypass such a 'banned' feature? The difference is, the addon author won't put it to the public. Guilds with decent LUA coders (and LUA isn't hard to code for) will make addons of their own to exploit these features.

They have to adjust the API calls. This could break legitimate addons. So while we'll likely see some API methods squelched, you won't see all of it. This addon is pandoras box. We're stuck with a large portion of it. It will be nerfed. Don't get me wrong, it IS a concern for the developers. They will put forth fixes.

But don't think for an instant that it will be removed entirely.

Clueless. You state you only listen to ZOS because they're the ones that matter...because ZOS has clearly never been wrong before or never implemented sets/skills that were unfair in the past.

ZOS opinion clearly isnt the only one that matters. How many times in the 2 years have they made changes to "their opinions" based on forum/player cries and complaints?

Persons of authority have been wrong on more than one occasion. Just saying. Stop justifying this, we clearly were not intended to see this data.

I do agree that ZOS is not always right. But regardless if this add-on should be used or not, really doesn't matter. Animation cancelation was never meant to be in game, but a lot of people use it. Sets such as the viper that aren't working as intended are being abused by many. Cheat engine should never be used, but people use it. I rarely see any threads about those issues, so why should this be a hot topic? People clearly weren't meant to fly through the air.

were you playing a few months ago when the cheat engine epidemic spilled onto these forums? Hundreds of cheat engine threads. Then ZOS started deleting them and made one cheat topic for us to post within.

God_flakes

Bumblebeelzebub wrote: »

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

Perhaps you could repair this division by preventing cheating.

Darya has no power or authority over the dev team. She's only a moderator here on the forums and a very reasonable one. Please don't be rude to her.

Bumblebeelzebub wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Bumblebeelzebub wrote: »

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a few posts that were inflammatory. We realize this a an issue many of you are passionate about, but that is no reason to insult other members of the community.

Perhaps you could repair this division by preventing cheating.

Darya has no power or authority over the dev team. She's only a moderator here on the forums and a very reasonable one. Please don't be rude to her.

Not her personally, but ZOS. Y'know, the company she represents?

But you're griping to her as if she personally can do anything. SHE CAN'T.

Riejael

Enslaved wrote: »

Face it, this addon is complete bs, and it ruins the PvP way beyond than the damage proc sets and destro ulti did.
I am still amazed Zos isn't putting this bs on the list of bannable addons.

Because they don't let their emotions guide their decisions.

I think they should ban people who let their emotions get out of control. Oh wait.. they do. You might want to simmer down.

Bumblebeelzebub

God_flakes wrote: »

But you're griping to her as if she personally can do anything. SHE CAN'T.

You're just reading what you want to justify your outrage. Chill.

God_flakes

Um no I'm just trying to inject some rational thought. Griping at the mod isn't going to accomplish jack squat.

Bumblebeelzebub

God_flakes wrote: »

Um no I'm just trying to inject some rational thought. Griping at the mod isn't going to accomplish jack squat.

lol k

Riejael

God_flakes wrote: »

Um no I'm just trying to inject some rational thought. Griping at the mod isn't going to accomplish jack squat.

I don't really think there is a point to that. Everyone's so emotional, they are even making personal attacks at me, despite the fact that I don't personally support nor use the addon myself. But because I understand the realistic side of the issue, they're going on some emotional crusade.

Just keep on reporting them, eventually they'll settle down after a warning or two.

Maikon

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

This addon crosses the line, in my opinion. There's a difference between convenience addons and the ones that give a clear advantage in PvP. This is the latter. I would never use something like this, and knowing that many people in PvP will be is pretty discouraging.

I'm sure there are other "things" players are doing in PvP which are probably worse. But as far as supported addons go, I do hope ZOS adjusts the API to make things like this impossible.

I'm curious to know whj you think this addon crosses the line.

Simple. Because it gives players information that they clearly were never intended to see.

I'll turn the question around on you:

How do you justify an addon that notifies me about someone who I am otherwise unaware of going into stealth?

This is how:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Are we allowed to use this addon until you decide upon a judgement?

At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.

I don't give two care's about principles. If its allowed its allowed. They may change API calls in the future which will render parts of the addon inert, and I could care less about that too.

I'm not going to follow your idea of the rules. Screw your idea. Who the hell are you? No seriously, who the hell do you think you are? Not being mean or derogatory, just think about what you are saying and how much impact you actually have on others.

You saying that we shouldn't use this addon because its bad, is the same thing as someone saying we shouldn't use proc sets because they're 'unfair'. I could care less what players think is unfair. I care about what the moderators think. They are the ones who enforce the rules. They are the one's who's opinion ACTUALLY matter.

No amount of guilt tripping, insults, disparagement, or peer pressure from you or others like you will change my opinion or others' opinions. That's just a simple fact. Those who want the features of this addon will use it. Those who want to stick to their principles will either suck it up and use the addon, disadvantage themselves by not using it, stop PVPing, or quit entirely.

They aren't going to render parts or the whole addon inert because you voiced it needed to be done. They really won't They already have a vision to what sort of things an addon can be used for. Look at that post by the ZOS mod explaining how it works. They know this addon inside and out. They know what it does, what it can be used for, and the implications. They've already decided what they will do to it. That will be probably in the next update.

They can't simply ban the addon. Do you know how easy it is to recreate the addon to bypass such a 'banned' feature? The difference is, the addon author won't put it to the public. Guilds with decent LUA coders (and LUA isn't hard to code for) will make addons of their own to exploit these features.

They have to adjust the API calls. This could break legitimate addons. So while we'll likely see some API methods squelched, you won't see all of it. This addon is pandoras box. We're stuck with a large portion of it. It will be nerfed. Don't get me wrong, it IS a concern for the developers. They will put forth fixes.

But don't think for an instant that it will be removed entirely.

Clueless. You state you only listen to ZOS because they're the ones that matter...because ZOS has clearly never been wrong before or never implemented sets/skills that were unfair in the past.

ZOS opinion clearly isnt the only one that matters. How many times in the 2 years have they made changes to "their opinions" based on forum/player cries and complaints?

Persons of authority have been wrong on more than one occasion. Just saying. Stop justifying this, we clearly were not intended to see this data.

I do agree that ZOS is not always right. But regardless if this add-on should be used or not, really doesn't matter. Animation cancelation was never meant to be in game, but a lot of people use it. Sets such as the viper that aren't working as intended are being abused by many. Cheat engine should never be used, but people use it. I rarely see any threads about those issues, so why should this be a hot topic? People clearly weren't meant to fly through the air.

were you playing a few months ago when the cheat engine epidemic spilled onto these forums? Hundreds of cheat engine threads. Then ZOS started deleting them and made one cheat topic for us to post within.

I remember those threads, and after they made that single topic, they swept it under the rug and pretended that cheat engine doesn't exist. I run into it everyday. Hell, there's an EP player in azuras that's been banned 6+ times for using it, and they just keep letting him come back, so he just constantly uses it with no real repercussions.

The amount of crying about the destroy ult surpasses any actual meaningful thread with legit backing by far. Which shows what people actually care about, only themselves and not the actual game as a whole, this is just another destroy ult thread.

XDragonDoomX

Riejael wrote: »

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

The addon should be neutralised and anyone, in future, using a similar (unpublished to keep it quiet) addon should be banned.

Because of your emotions? I dare you to give a reason why that is without being emotional and without resorting to a personal attack.

I mean ZOS already said they won't ban anyone so I think you're in a sticky situation because this is now 'other MMOs'. Your 'ideal' version of ESO is now dead.

Will be interesting to see if you can make a decision on what to do next.

1. ZoS said they will not currently ban anyone for using it - that is not to say if, after evaluation they decide to ban the add-on.
I am not suggesting that current users are banned while it is being evaluated, merely that it should be neutralised and anyone in the future using similar should be denied access - so no sticky situation.
2. The addon goes against the spirit of ESO - its no longer 'play how you want' - more 'follow the herd, get the add-ons or die'. It also provides information that, truly, no one should have access to. It will only provide more argument to the 'split cyrodiil into pvp & pve', since anyone now who - following the often generously salty & acidic advice of pvp'ers to use stealth to complete content - is now seriously disadvantaged to do so.