Miat's PVP alerts.

Runs

There is no sarcasm here.

You said it.

leepalmer95

Runs wrote: »

And it wasn't just you saying it...


The *** look on your face knowing there was just cause

You sure has wasn't just being sarcastic?

Likely being sarcastic to 'some' idiots in his chat.

Airyus

Annra wrote: »

Then disable addons on all campaigns immediately please!
This addon, like many similar addons too, is unacceptable.
And please ban the author of this addon for lifetime!

Wow. So insightful. Yes, ban the author because he brought some very constructive information to the community, used his talents to create opportunities of improvement, and displayed his findings OPENLY, IN ****ing PUBLIC... shame on him for being a helpful pioneer. I sure hope he doesn't cure cancer or something ridiculous because that would be terrible.

WTB face palm emoji

deepseamk20b14_ESO

This add on seems like cheating to me. At least in a sense. Oh, and what's with these people talking about pc gamers and training wheel all the sudden lol. Sorry you can't afford a $5k gaming rig. Don't hate. My gaming rig can make toast. Literally...because it's on fire....no really it's on fire...I guess I should turn back the overclock!

BRogueNZ

Weirdly enough I like it mainly for the cool down notifications.

Iife in stealth is (can be) fun and challenging so I'm not an advocate for the KoS features and the Pre-emptive notifications.

Anyone aware of stealth has always taken precautions so I see it as removing something from the play style.

Yours sincerely
Constantly Ganked Templar

TheDarkRuler

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

This add-on will probably turn into an animation canceling scenario. It will be too difficult to fix, so ZOS will just turn a blind eye to it.

Well considering ZOS have already acknowledged it in this post and have been testing it to evaluate a course of action, turning a blind eye to it is unlikely

They only acknoledged it because they could not fix it. That's all!

Skcarkden

God_flakes wrote: »

Duukar wrote: »

Mountain33r wrote: »

So I checked it out, played with this addon last night. Everyone spewing doom and gloom is just ignorant. Test if for yourself, there is nothing game breaking here. Actually @mtwiggz is right the only thing really helpful is the player counts.

Showing names of stealth players on your screen; it does show if someone has stealth near you recently in which you may not have seen because you were focused on something else?. Not the location of them. Also if your volume is up, you can actually hear people cast abilities while stealth unless I am getting some kind of magic, which was before using this addon. There were times last night, that no names were the list and I got ganked by a player in stealth near me, happen a lot actually. No indication or any sort of heads up.

It's just good information, but nothing game breaking, least from what I tested. Unless there is something I am missing (MAGIC).

So are you seriously implying that knowing the second someone begins a gank attempt on you isnt a HUGE advantage??????

You can literally set it up so it plays a unique sound when someone is attacking you from stealth!!!

I am forced to play Devil's advocate. How much of an unfair advantage do these one button wonder stealth gankers have when their target doesn't even have one second to form a defense?

You're actually not playing devils advocate, so much as playing "you have a valid point, but i prefer the other way so i'll make *** up"

This is the kind of nonsense why almost all modern multiplayer games (if not all) with sniper rifles have such an annoying and stupid laser beam always showing whenever anyone looks down their scopes, because some kid cried "I got shot and i can't find them!" followed by stupid complains that people shouldn't be able to hide and instead *must* have their presence specifically highlighted when they do make an attempt to shoot.

But as for this addon? it's another beast altogether, the default game doesn't make a point of telling you "Hey, there are people still alive nearby, keep your guard up!" so there is absolutely no reason why any mod should be allowed to exist do so either.

Bakkagami

Saw this post a couple days ago so rather than rage about things i don't know, like most people here seem to do, I figured I'd do some testing for a night or two and come back. To give some background into my thinking, I don't particularly like or dislike the ability for nbs to one shot as that in, in a way is their identity. (Regardless of name, they are the equivalent of the memo "assassin") In other words, I'm not a "nerf ganker" but would honestly prefer to stick with the Status quo when it comes to class identity. Also, I main a dk tank, have a Templar and nb which I occasionally go out to do some ganking on. Now, as for what I figured out after some pvping with all of pvp alerts options on.

1: The mod actually doesn't negate any nb ability to gank. It will only register nbs that go into stealth while within the radius and will tell u X player is nearby, it does NOT tell you the location of the nb or his/her distance from you. This does, admittedly, give the player using the addon the ability to get buffs up or warn group members that a nb is near -again- as long as the nb went into stealth within the radius. Whether that is game breaking is up to zos. Overall, I'd say this particular feature has a much smaller impact than people seem to be worried about.

2: Some of the features such as how many people are around in a fight are generally not providing an advantage so are pretty harmless as it is just a more in depth version of the cross swords in most cases.

3: The part of the mod that has the most impact on combat doesn't have to do with stealth at all but is the notifications it gives when someone is charging up a skill or heavy attack. Even in the middle of a zerg fight the pop up essentially negates any chance that a player ever gets hit by that unexpected snipe spammed emitting in the back. The pop ups come even when someone snipes from stealth though those were often proccing late leading me to believe that if the person wasn't detected prior to that moment you would get the notification only as he was coming out of stealth.

In my opinion, if any API changes were made to counter this add on it should be to limit access to surrounding attack information as it allows essentially an "incoming missile" alert system.

SublimeSparo

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

We need a no UI or add on server stat. Make it as vanilla as possible. Sorry but this is a step too far.

Easy fix. Buy a PS4 or XBox1.

I play on XBox. We have even too much UI there. Take it all away. No floaty numbers. No quest log. I don't even want to see my abilities.

I wish I could play like this but doing so would gimp me terribly. Leave standard PVP as it is. Make a hardcore mode and I'd never leave it.

Then again, I'm the same guy who used to play Tiger Woods without a green grid.

You can turn all those things off in the options menu... none of them will gimp you at all...

Derra

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

ku5h

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

SodanTok

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

Derra

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

Annra

Airyus wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Then disable addons on all campaigns immediately please!
This addon, like many similar addons too, is unacceptable.
And please ban the author of this addon for lifetime!

Wow. So insightful. Yes, ban the author because he brought some very constructive information to the community, used his talents to create opportunities of improvement, and displayed his findings OPENLY, IN ****ing PUBLIC... shame on him for being a helpful pioneer. I sure hope he doesn't cure cancer or something ridiculous because that would be terrible.

Where does the author write that his Addon is merely a proof of concept, only intended to blame Zenimax for their API? His description at ESOUI reads like a advertising brochure. To say, he is a pioneer, a white knight who is opening the eyes of the community for the shortcoming of ZoS Addon-API, is like to say, the intention of the inventors of nuclear weapons was only to reveal, how bad those weapons are.

Sure, it is impossible to ban him for using the API, but I wish it were possible.

SublimeSparo

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

WTB PC to console transfer...

Double xp event, just get a copy an start up, i made new characters on the NA server, already have 200CP, a good start on research, and 4 L50 160 chars

ku5h

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

I see you like to assume to much, so i have 2 things to say to you.
1. Im 100% percent solo player, and never, ever play in group. I will join the zerg only when defending or attacking keeps or stuff like that...
2. There are a lot of ways to prevent being ganked. You say your LA, so keep your shield up all the time, or maybe slot Radiant Magelight, also lots of ppl including me have bumped their max HP by several k just because of proc meta which also helps alot against gankers. Use counters that are available to you.

Digerati

Annra wrote: »

Airyus wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Then disable addons on all campaigns immediately please!
This addon, like many similar addons too, is unacceptable.
And please ban the author of this addon for lifetime!

Wow. So insightful. Yes, ban the author because he brought some very constructive information to the community, used his talents to create opportunities of improvement, and displayed his findings OPENLY, IN ****ing PUBLIC... shame on him for being a helpful pioneer. I sure hope he doesn't cure cancer or something ridiculous because that would be terrible.

Where does the author write that his Addon is merely a proof of concept, only intended to blame Zenimax for their API? His description at ESOUI reads like a advertising brochure. To say, he is a pioneer, a white knight who is opening the eyes of the community for the shortcoming of ZoS Addon-API, is like to say, the intention of the inventors of nuclear weapons was only to reveal, how bad those weapons are.

Sure, it is impossible to ban him for using the API, but I wish it were possible.

This analogy would make sense if we knew the Creator and could petition Him... If we could show the Creator what a nuclear reaction could do and be like, "is it intended that we have the power to destroy our planet?" and then our Creator could release a hotfix and remove uranium enrichment...

In the case of an API, you're limited to what the API can do... General rule of thumb is, if the API can do it, you're allowed to do it.

In the real world, there's a slew of things that are possible but should not be done... like proliferating nuclear weapons. There are the natural laws of the universe which allow nuclear fusion, and then there's the laws of man, which forbid nuclear fusion.

In a game world, natural laws and the laws of man are entwined, since men have created the natural law.

Digerati

The addon API exists so that players can improve quality of life within the game..

If you think that players having a minimap or some text popping up that says "counter now!" or whatever gives people an unfair advantage then I don't know what to tell you...

I want a popup that says, "that player has 70k HP and 100k resists, sap and run."

KisoValley

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

I see you like to assume to much, so i have 2 things to say to you.
1. Im 100% percent solo player, and never, ever play in group. I will join the zerg only when defending or attacking keeps or stuff like that...
2. There are a lot of ways to prevent being ganked. You say your LA, so keep your shield up all the time, or maybe slot Radiant Magelight, also lots of ppl including me have bumped their max HP by several k just because of proc meta which also helps alot against gankers. Use counters that are available to you.

Damn, giving Derra advice on how to counter gankers lmao

Knootewoot

KisoValley wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

I see you like to assume to much, so i have 2 things to say to you.
1. Im 100% percent solo player, and never, ever play in group. I will join the zerg only when defending or attacking keeps or stuff like that...
2. There are a lot of ways to prevent being ganked. You say your LA, so keep your shield up all the time, or maybe slot Radiant Magelight, also lots of ppl including me have bumped their max HP by several k just because of proc meta which also helps alot against gankers. Use counters that are available to you.

Damn, giving Derra advice on how to counter gankers lmao

It's not the ganking that is killing people that quick, but the procsets are the problem when combined with stealth, so basicly the stamina build and not even NB specific since any class can gank. And even without stealth, 3 proc sets with a cancelled heavy attack followed by a bash cancelled skill can still one shot you. There lies the problem.

Currently to counter it you need to have enough health, heavy armor and slot mage light. I like to wear light armor and have around 20k health but that won't work against gankers.

I bet if they fix the sheer damage stamina builds do and do something about the proc sets, the ganking won't be the issue anymore since (hopefully) the oneshot kills will be gone from both stealth and out of stealth.

SodanTok

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

For a moment i will ignore fact that there should not be any defense for paper characters to ever survive 1v1 gank from maxDMG character.

The real problem you dont see, that this "problem" of yours goes both ways. While there is no defense against getting instagibbed as paper characters, there also is no offense (lets also ignore overpowered proc sets for a moment, they are obvious issue in normal duel alone) for gankers to take down tanky characters.

You say you want "defense" against getting instagibbed, while you are perfectly aware there is nothing the gankers get from not insta killing you. You pop your little shield and heals and instantly reset the fight and look for "fair" duel (im still ignoring the overpoweness of proc sets, thats issue for another topic) while having all the good cards to win such engagement.

Now back to the first sentence. Why you feel entitled to having defense by playing as paper (with titanium cover once spooked) against people that play as razor. You probably kill all those "razor" players once they are out of stealth, usually with friends helping you. So why is your mind telling you, you are entitled to have defense for the only situation where are you at your weakest, while gankers are their strongest form.

There are many issues with stealth, ganking and nightblades overall. But lets stop pretending they are overpowered. They are sharks in deep sea, and you are swimming there in nothing but your swim suit while others are aboard aircraft carriers or submarines and all important battles are on the ground.

ZOS_Ragnar

We have removed some off topic and disruptive comments. I understand that this topic is important to all of you but please keep your posts civil and constructive.

Derra

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

I see you like to assume to much, so i have 2 things to say to you.
1. Im 100% percent solo player, and never, ever play in group. I will join the zerg only when defending or attacking keeps or stuff like that...
2. There are a lot of ways to prevent being ganked. You say your LA, so keep your shield up all the time, or maybe slot Radiant Magelight, also lots of ppl including me have bumped their max HP by several k just because of proc meta which also helps alot against gankers. Use counters that are available to you.

I don´t assume.
I know your chars which you happen to have displayed in your signature.
I say you´re a zergsurfer because that´s all i ever see you do...

I´ve tried most of your suggestions. HP helps against idiots as you can´t reach enough hp. Radiant does literally nothing against proccganks as only one of 5 hits gets the sneak bonus (and incap stuns you anyway).
Keeping shields up permanently. I know i´ve killed your sorc with shields down. You aswell as any other player utilizing them knows that 100% shield uptime is not realisticly possible since the duration changes.

Derra

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

For a moment i will ignore fact that there should not be any defense for paper characters to ever survive 1v1 gank from maxDMG character.

The real problem you dont see, that this "problem" of yours goes both ways. While there is no defense against getting instagibbed as paper characters, there also is no offense (lets also ignore overpowered proc sets for a moment, they are obvious issue in normal duel alone) for gankers to take down tanky characters.

You say you want "defense" against getting instagibbed, while you are perfectly aware there is nothing the gankers get from not insta killing you. You pop your little shield and heals and instantly reset the fight and look for "fair" duel (im still ignoring the overpoweness of proc sets, thats issue for another topic) while having all the good cards to win such engagement.

Now back to the first sentence. Why you feel entitled to having defense by playing as paper (with titanium cover once spooked) against people that play as razor. You probably kill all those "razor" players once they are out of stealth, usually with friends helping you. So why is your mind telling you, you are entitled to have defense for the only situation where are you at your weakest, while gankers are their strongest form.

There are many issues with stealth, ganking and nightblades overall. But lets stop pretending they are overpowered. They are sharks in deep sea, and you are swimming there in nothing but your swim suit while others are aboard aircraft carriers or submarines and all important battles are on the ground.

I just want actual fights to happen. I can not instantly kill people. People can always see me. That´s the difference and it´s a big one.

It should not be possible to instantly kill people from invisibility. There is no way to justify that in a pvp game. It´s idiocy. It´s impossible to create fun gameplay out that situation. Therefor the situation should not occur.

So you can argue all you want. My statement is instantkills should not be possible (especially from invisibility) and i don´t think you or anyone else can justify why they should be.

Edit: If you think uncounterable instantkills are somehow a good thing to have in a game don´t bother to reply. I don´t think there is any sense in arguing in that case.

mb10

The playing field in Cyrodiil on pc is NOT even.

Imagine what people are doing quietly in their groups?
There's probably a lot worse out there. Lol thankfully I'm on console where everything is transparent and if you get killed by somebody, its because they're actually good.

xblackroxe

mb10 wrote: »

The playing field in Cyrodiil on pc is NOT even.

Imagine what people are doing quietly in their groups?
There's probably a lot worse out there. Lol thankfully I'm on console where everything is transparent and if you get killed by somebody, its because they're actually good.

Doesn't matter. Ppl will still find excuses to why they didn't get outskilled.

Edziu

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

For a moment i will ignore fact that there should not be any defense for paper characters to ever survive 1v1 gank from maxDMG character.

The real problem you dont see, that this "problem" of yours goes both ways. While there is no defense against getting instagibbed as paper characters, there also is no offense (lets also ignore overpowered proc sets for a moment, they are obvious issue in normal duel alone) for gankers to take down tanky characters.

You say you want "defense" against getting instagibbed, while you are perfectly aware there is nothing the gankers get from not insta killing you. You pop your little shield and heals and instantly reset the fight and look for "fair" duel (im still ignoring the overpoweness of proc sets, thats issue for another topic) while having all the good cards to win such engagement.

Now back to the first sentence. Why you feel entitled to having defense by playing as paper (with titanium cover once spooked) against people that play as razor. You probably kill all those "razor" players once they are out of stealth, usually with friends helping you. So why is your mind telling you, you are entitled to have defense for the only situation where are you at your weakest, while gankers are their strongest form.

There are many issues with stealth, ganking and nightblades overall. But lets stop pretending they are overpowered. They are sharks in deep sea, and you are swimming there in nothing but your swim suit while others are aboard aircraft carriers or submarines and all important battles are on the ground.

I just want actual fights to happen. I can not instantly kill people. People can always see me. That´s the difference and it´s a big one.

It should not be possible to instantly kill people from invisibility. There is no way to justify that in a pvp game. It´s idiocy. It´s impossible to create fun gameplay out that situation. Therefor the situation should not occur.

So you can argue all you want. My statement is instantkills should not be possible (especially from invisibility) and i don´t think you or anyone else can justify why they should be.

Edit: If you think uncounterable instantkills are somehow a good thing to have in a game don´t bother to reply. I don´t think there is any sense in arguing in that case.

if you have problem to see it if this sneaking glass cannon didnt dodge your burst attck he is getting 1shot from no-stealth
every heavery armor proctard is able to 1shot glasscannon because of proc set on tank into glass cannon without any defense

EDIT: ofc mag sorc can easily rekt this galss cannon, curse, mages wrath finisher apply and crystal fragment > easy glass cannon kill

arkansas_ESO

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

"The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build)."

Radiant Magelight, Defensive Rune (on sorcerer). Either or both of these will prevent you from getting oneshot, and buy you enough time to cast your shields and get ready to fight. Though if you're in the squishiest armor type, shouldn't you be vulnerable to getting hit hard? I'm saying this as somebody who mains magicka, running 5 light on most of my builds.

Derra

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

"The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build)."

Radiant Magelight, Defensive Rune (on sorcerer). Either or both of these will prevent you from getting oneshot, and buy you enough time to cast your shields and get ready to fight. Though if you're in the squishiest armor type, shouldn't you be vulnerable to getting hit hard? I'm saying this as somebody who mains magicka, running 5 light on most of my builds.

Funny enough both don´t save you against a proccgank with => heavybow, incap + viper, veli/selene, poisons.
The enemy is hit by defensive rune when everything has fired - given proper execution.

Also radiant is not an option as i pve on my char.

I´m fine with getting hit hard. I just don´t think instantkills from invisibility should be possible. And so far i´ve never heared a reason why they should be. They´re the epitome of unfun gameplay.

Edit: If you want an advantage from you sneak attack - remove the dmg bonus and stun and instead implement a 10s 50% cost increase to magica and stamina on the victim.
That´s a tremendous advantage and still promotes a fight after the attack instead of instant death.

Knootewoot

Derra wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Core issue because people use instagib proc sets, because you lack any defense or because you just like to run alone?
Both stealth and ganking arent issue anymore snipers in FPS games or gankers in MOBA games are.

The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build).

ku5h wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

What an absolutely stupid addition to the game. Everyone will use it.

What I see here are a small minority of idiots being able to legitimately ruin the experience for everyone else. If you aren't using it, you are truly at a disadvantage,

Who would have thought that PvP would be better on console now than on PC? And for all reasons, this is due to the lack of add-ons!

Smh...

Well guess that´s true about stealth aswell...

Stealthganking is the core issue and why i think this addon is a good addition to the game.

Stealthganking a core issue? Since when? In 10hrs of gameplay I might get ganked 1-2 times max and thats mostly by 2+ ppl in sinc. Much worse then gankers imo are "God mode" DKs and Templars that can facetank 10 ppl and still burst squishy players in couple of sec. Stealthganking core issue......lol

Maybe if you did something else than zergsurfing you might get ganked from stealth more often.

If i just stick to my factions zerg (which i do more and more often nowadays) i don´t get ganked often. If at all.
Ironically i stick to my factions zergs because if i don´t the only thing i encounter is gankblades and since the addition of proccsets even mediocre players have the chance to simply oneshot me from invisibility.

"The problem is there is no defense available against getting instagibbed from stealth (Edit: on a light armor Build)."

Radiant Magelight, Defensive Rune (on sorcerer). Either or both of these will prevent you from getting oneshot, and buy you enough time to cast your shields and get ready to fight. Though if you're in the squishiest armor type, shouldn't you be vulnerable to getting hit hard? I'm saying this as somebody who mains magicka, running 5 light on most of my builds.

Funny enough both don´t save you against a proccgank with => heavybow, incap + viper, veli/selene, poisons.
The enemy is hit by defensive rune when everything has fired - given proper execution.

Also radiant is not an option as i pve on my char.

I´m fine with getting hit hard. I just don´t think instantkills from invisibility should be possible. And so far i´ve never heared a reason why they should be. They´re the epitome of unfun gameplay.

Edit: If you want an advantage from you sneak attack - remove the dmg bonus and stun and instead implement a 10s 50% cost increase to magica and stamina on the victim.
That´s a tremendous advantage and still promotes a fight after the attack instead of instant death.

I agree on this. But insta-gib from stealth only works when your a stamina build and not a magicka build. At least I have never been insta gibbed by any magicka build. With the current stuff we have to deal with (stamina damage, proc sets, animation cancelling) even without the damage bonus those builds can instagib. And even without being in stealth against light armor wearers.

I even tried full light armor with full impenetrable. That was a waste on resources as i still died in one second with 22k health against certain procset builds.

But overall i agree SOMETHING has to be done. I also rely on stealth on my melee magblade and more nerf to damage then i can kiss him goodbye and make him a proctard to be of any use.

Edit: I will first wait and see what @ZOS will do about this current PvP situation. After that i must find some way to adapt.