Vigor should be at rank 2 or 3 it takes so freaking long now :/

Lord_Eomer · October 2016

Not taking that much long, i remeber went to pvp for vigor and then started liking it a lot and farmed around 2M AP before had a first break..

Now again preparing to jump in my beamplar with soul shine set :-)

X3ina · October 2016

Why that Aston Martin is so hard to get ...

Don't get me wrong I have a life ffs, I just can't work 24/7 to get it fast.

Anti_Virus · October 2016

Haquor wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Back with the same thread again? PvE'rs have already seen all the progression taken out of alliance ranks. It takes 3 hours of PvP for a trash player to unlock vigor, if you can't handle that you don't deserve access to it, otherwise I want an easy mode way to get malestrom weapons.

Although vigor is easy to get now I don't understand why pvpers are always rude to others.

Lol weapons do not compare to a skill at all why do you guys always bring that up? In that case make black rose easy to get by making me immune to gankers in the sewers.

Well let me fracken explain it for you.

And firstly... just to be clear. Sometimes weapons are greater than a skill... its fricken eso. And to be clear again... black rose is easy to get. You can buy it from someone. Unlike vmsa wpns. Just sayin.

Its about the challenge of spending time playing content you dont enjoy to attain a near mandatory item or ability for the content you do enjoy.

This is why pve guys cry about the pains they must go to to aquire vigor. 3 to 4 hours of mindlessly repairing keep walls, spamming heals or firing siege in cyrodil. Horrble.

And it is why pvpers *** about what they must go through to get BIS weapons for thier builds. Conqour the most challenging pve content in the game (which the majority of pve players are incapable of). solo.... repeatedly with absolutely no garuntee of ever being rewarded with the desired result. Completely reasonable.

I don't think you understand my position here. I'm a Pvper but I don't like when you are forced to play content you don't like to compete.

I earned my Blk rose and morag tong through AP, So Im not complaining about vigor but I know some pve players that hate doing this just for a skill that could also be available in undaunted skill line.

If you need maelstrom weapons and procc sets to compete in cryodill them that alone shows how 'skilled' PVP is. I don't use these weapons and armor and I do just fine.

Anti_Virus · October 2016

Haquor wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

What? I got vigor in one and a half day of pvping abit, and I got undaunted rank 9 in 2 weeks of doing pledges. What?

getting and the extra health passive from undaunted can't even compare to the only stamina heal that's not 2 handed, plz stop comparing undaunted to alliance ranks, but then again that's probably the only argument pvpers got

And thats why it takes a couple of weeks of pledges to get lame undaunted 9 where it literally takes about 3-4 hours of pvp to aquire the amazing vigor? Makes sense.

And yes... 3-4 hours. Since they nerfed AP requirememts for assault/support skill lines i maxed all my 10 characters out. To assault 10.

You can sit down and in on evening session get your precious vigor you entitled cry baby

No it does not as of 1T Zos added Daily undaunted quests which lvl up the skill line quickly, Do one each day for 4 days and you're done

Anti_Virus · October 2016

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

1. You don't need pve gear to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of wearing proc sets you can wear PVP seta that can be earned in PVP.

Infact most pvp builds run pvp sets and you don't need to set foot outside of cyrodil for that.

Ha... you have no idea how wrong you are

Which one? Pve gear or most pvp builds running Pvp gear?

Because you really don't need PVE gear to compete I don't use them and I do just fine I don't need gear to get kills for me.

I do believe I'm wrong on the second point though.

Jim_Pipp · October 2016

Haquor wrote: »

You can sit down and in on evening session get your precious vigor you entitled cry baby

Some forum members are on true form.

I have stopped playing one stam character because I can't face the PVP grind as the build requires vigor. I don't mean to be a crybaby but I am in a similar position to the OP AND there is a difference between undaunted mettle minor bonus and the necessity of vigor.

I play ESO late at night and Cyrodil is dead, there are no pug groups running, so the only way to get AP is to try and guess where small groups of opposing factions may strike next or go and repair walls in the few keeps my faction has left. I can categorically state that I cannot get vigor in one evening, or even in 10 evenings. What I get is an unpleasant waste of gaming time.

No doubt my problems include the time that I play, not being part of a guild and being embarrassingly bad at PVP. They are my problems.

Is it a problem for anyone else if there was an easier way to get vigor? it seems like the objections are that it is unfair on PVP players who want PVE skills to be easier to get, but that is not the topic under discussion.

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

Anti_Virus wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

What? I got vigor in one and a half day of pvping abit, and I got undaunted rank 9 in 2 weeks of doing pledges. What?

getting and the extra health passive from undaunted can't even compare to the only stamina heal that's not 2 handed, plz stop comparing undaunted to alliance ranks, but then again that's probably the only argument pvpers got

6% max stats is pretty big, and there's really no way to power level Undaunted like there is the PVP skill lines.

Sorry you're forced to PVP for a few skills, while we're forced to PVE for gear, Undaunted, and skill points..

1. You don't need pve gear to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of wearing proc sets you can wear PVP seta that can be earned in PVP.

Infact most pvp builds run pvp sets and you don't need to set foot outside of cyrodil for that.

2. If you are really complaining about skill points then you need to play a moba which is a pvp only game and has no skill points this complaint is just down right stupid. Its an MMO which needs skill points as a progression and can be earned by strictly pvping

and earning skyshards which are everywhere in Cyrodiil.

Lastly they made undaunted easy to lvl with daily missions introduced with OT same thing with fighters guild and mages guild.

1. You don't need PVP skills to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of using PVP skills you can use PVE skills that can be earned in PVE.

In fact, most PVE builds run PVE skills and you don't need to set foot inside of Cyrodiil for that.

2. If you are really complaining about having to do group content like PVP for skills then you need to play a single player game like Skyrim which is a single player only game and has no PVP. This complaint is just downright stupid. It's an MMO which needs players interacting and fighting each other to keep people entertained.

Lastly, they made the Support and Assault skill lines easy to level in the Thieves Guild update.

((See how easily your argument can be made to work against you?

))

Taylor_MB · October 2016

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

1. You don't need pve gear to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of wearing proc sets you can wear PVP seta that can be earned in PVP.

Infact most pvp builds run pvp sets and you don't need to set foot outside of cyrodil for that.

Ha... you have no idea how wrong you are

Which one? Pve gear or most pvp builds running Pvp gear?

Because you really don't need PVE gear to compete I don't use them and I do just fine I don't need gear to get kills for me.

I do believe I'm wrong on the second point though.

Congratulations, you can kill proctards. I'm sure there are some builds that can be maximised from PvP only gear, but they are deep in the minority.

Even ignoring proc sets, PvE gear provides raw statistical advantage over PvP gear. If you want to fill every slot with PvP gear you need to use 3 sets (2x5pc and then depending what you equip 1 or 2 more pieces). Using PvP sets you'd lose 3 set bonuses from not having 1pc bonuses. On the contrary, if you ran 1x5pc, 3xagility/willpower, 2xmonster helm set and 1xmaelstrom/masters, you only lose 1 set bonuses from your single 5pc not having a 1pc bonus.

Working in PvE sets into your build maxising your raw statistics (even without looking at dps/burst provided by monster helm sets or proc 5 pc's).

Anti_Virus · October 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

What? I got vigor in one and a half day of pvping abit, and I got undaunted rank 9 in 2 weeks of doing pledges. What?

getting and the extra health passive from undaunted can't even compare to the only stamina heal that's not 2 handed, plz stop comparing undaunted to alliance ranks, but then again that's probably the only argument pvpers got

6% max stats is pretty big, and there's really no way to power level Undaunted like there is the PVP skill lines.

Sorry you're forced to PVP for a few skills, while we're forced to PVE for gear, Undaunted, and skill points..

1. You don't need pve gear to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of wearing proc sets you can wear PVP sets that can be earned in PVP.

Infact most pvp builds run pvp sets and you don't need to set foot outside of cyrodil for that.

2. If you are really complaining about skill points then you need to play a moba which is a pvp only game and has no skill points this complaint is just down right stupid. Its an MMO which needs skill points as a progression and can be earned by strictly pvping

and earning skyshards which are everywhere in Cyrodiil.

Lastly they made undaunted easy to lvl with daily missions introduced with OT same thing with fighters guild and mages guild.

1. You don't need PVP skills to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of using PVP skills you can use PVE skills that can be earned in PVE.

In fact, most PVE builds run PVE skills and you don't need to set foot inside of Cyrodiil for that.

2. If you are really complaining about having to do group content like PVP for skills then you need to play a single player game like Skyrim which is a single player only game and has no PVP. This complaint is just downright stupid. It's an MMO which needs players interacting and fighting each other to keep people entertained.

Lastly, they made the Support and Assault skill lines easy to level in the Thieves Guild update.

((See how easily your argument can be made to work against you? ))

Gotta say you got me on some points but:

In point 1 you really need vigor as its the only stam heal not for all pieces of content but being selfsufficient is alway handy for healers, to compete in PVP you need it and vMSA requires it.

Point 2 can be double reversed (is that even a thing lol) group content doesn't always pertain to PVP and contratry to popular belief its fround upon by "1vXers"

Apologies as I came if rather brash, but some things that pvpers complain about makes me laugh( I'm a pvper btw)

psychotic13 · October 2016

Boo hoo suck it up, just like all us pvpers who had to go and collect 200+ lorebooks for meteor, or grind dungeons/maelstrom for gear we need.

Bigevilpeter · October 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Boo hoo suck it up, just like all us pvpers who had to go and collect 200+ lorebooks for meteor, or grind dungeons/maelstrom for gear we need.

Collecting lorebooks is no considered PvE btw its a chore for both, malestrom arena is also solo pve which is not content for an online rpg, both are horrible systems for both pvers and pvpers.

Vigor however is only bad for pvers, maybe undaunted is the only disadvantage pvpers have and its not nearly as essential and the only heal stamina classes have

Anti_Virus · October 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Boo hoo suck it up, just like all us pvpers who had to go and collect 200+ lorebooks for meteor, or grind dungeons/maelstrom for gear we need.

You don't need to collect lore books anymore with 1Ts daily guild quests. Also you don't need maelstrom weapons or proc sets to compete in pvp. Troll harder.

psychotic13 · October 2016

Just run around after a Zerg casting rapid regen you'll have Vigor the same day, really enough of these threads, my point is sometimes we have to do things we don't like to get the rewards we want, that's life deal with it.

Anti_Virus · October 2016

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

1. You don't need pve gear to compete just because you want to roll the meta, maybe instead of wearing proc sets you can wear PVP seta that can be earned in PVP.

Infact most pvp builds run pvp sets and you don't need to set foot outside of cyrodil for that.

Ha... you have no idea how wrong you are

Which one? Pve gear or most pvp builds running Pvp gear?

Because you really don't need PVE gear to compete I don't use them and I do just fine I don't need gear to get kills for me.

I do believe I'm wrong on the second point though.

Congratulations, you can kill proctards. I'm sure there are some builds that can be maximised from PvP only gear, but they are deep in the minority.

Even ignoring proc sets, PvE gear provides raw statistical advantage over PvP gear. If you want to fill every slot with PvP gear you need to use 3 sets (2x5pc and then depending what you equip 1 or 2 more pieces). Using PvP sets you'd lose 3 set bonuses from not having 1pc bonuses. On the contrary, if you ran 1x5pc, 3xagility/willpower, 2xmonster helm set and 1xmaelstrom/masters, you only lose 1 set bonuses from your single 5pc not having a 1pc bonus.

Working in PvE sets into your build maxising your raw statistics (even without looking at dps/burst provided by monster helm sets or proc 5 pc's).

Good point, but if PVE gear is better than PVP gear (which it is) then this is a wrobel problem. I wear crafted gear which is considered the weakest sets since there are only a few crafted sets that are viable

Imo Monster sets shouldn't even be in Cyrodiil ots kills any sort of skill in the game.

Also you can monster set pieces from the vendor each weekend albeit its random and only come in either head or shoulder.

Jaronking · October 2016

The OP is complain just to complain that's it.Plus @Anti_Virus it will still take you longer to level up mages guild and unduanted than it would take to unlock vigor as you said it takes 4 days on one character while even the Op has said it only takes him 12 hours so undaunted is still a grind more than vigor.The only thing you need vigor for and I mean need it VMA a and the OP can't even do VMA/wants to.So he doesn't need vigor for anything he just complaining.

Plus I didn't see one thread about anyone asking for vigor before the made it assault rank 5 It wasn't needed for anything and no one complain about it costing to much no everyone needs it.No you don't you didn't need it before you don't need it now.

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

Anti_Virus wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Boo hoo suck it up, just like all us pvpers who had to go and collect 200+ lorebooks for meteor, or grind dungeons/maelstrom for gear we need.

You don't need to collect lore books anymore with 1Ts daily guild quests. Also you don't need maelstrom weapons or proc sets to compete in pvp. Troll harder.

The Mage's Guild dailies give 10 experience to that skill line, or the equivalent of picking up two books. The Mage's Guild dailies really did nothing to help lessen the grind.

Bigevilpeter · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

The OP is complain just to complain that's it.Plus @Anti_Virus it will still take you longer to level up mages guild and unduanted than it would take to unlock vigor as you said it takes 4 days on one character while even the Op has said it only takes him 12 hours so undaunted is still a grind more than vigor.The only thing you need vigor for and I mean need it VMA a and the OP can't even do VMA/wants to.So he doesn't need vigor for anything he just complaining.

Plus I didn't see one thread about anyone asking for vigor before the made it assault rank 5 It wasn't needed for anything and no one complain about it costing to much no everyone needs it.No you don't you didn't need it before you don't need it now.

Ok please mr i dont need it, go play without it with your stamina character and show me how it will work out.

omg the stupidity, those peope really wont lose anything, all they want is to make it harder for other people for no reason at all other than lets make it take longer

Alucardo · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

The OP is complain just to complain that's it.Plus @Anti_Virus it will still take you longer to level up mages guild and unduanted than it would take to unlock vigor as you said it takes 4 days on one character while even the Op has said it only takes him 12 hours so undaunted is still a grind more than vigor.The only thing you need vigor for and I mean need it VMA a and the OP can't even do VMA/wants to.So he doesn't need vigor for anything he just complaining.

Plus I didn't see one thread about anyone asking for vigor before the made it assault rank 5 It wasn't needed for anything and no one complain about it costing to much no everyone needs it.No you don't you didn't need it before you don't need it now.

Ok please mr i dont need it, go play without it with your stamina character and show me how it will work out.

omg the stupidity, those peope really wont lose anything, all they want is to make it harder for other people for no reason at all other than lets make it take longer

How did PVErs cope before Vigor was even a thing, or when you basically needed to be a grand warlord to unlock it? No, with a reasonable group and the right abilities you really don't need vigor. It's nice to have, but not mandatory

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

The OP is complain just to complain that's it.Plus @Anti_Virus it will still take you longer to level up mages guild and unduanted than it would take to unlock vigor as you said it takes 4 days on one character while even the Op has said it only takes him 12 hours so undaunted is still a grind more than vigor.The only thing you need vigor for and I mean need it VMA a and the OP can't even do VMA/wants to.So he doesn't need vigor for anything he just complaining.

Plus I didn't see one thread about anyone asking for vigor before the made it assault rank 5 It wasn't needed for anything and no one complain about it costing to much no everyone needs it.No you don't you didn't need it before you don't need it now.

Ok please mr i dont need it, go play without it with your stamina character and show me how it will work out.

omg the stupidity, those peope really wont lose anything, all they want is to make it harder for other people for no reason at all other than lets make it take longer

You say the stupidity of people, but, as said, It has been nerfed 3 times already!
Please stop with the "NERF THIS" threads! The game just got a little challenge back to it. I got vigor back when it was at pre nerf!
Also, I'm a stam sorc. I have crit surge, twighlit matriarch, blood craze, boneshield, sanguines alter, etc, which all heal.
I used to hate PvP as I sucked at it, but when IC came out I knew I had to have Caltrops. Guess what! While grinding out that, I found a awesome PvP guild, and now I dont suck at it.
Bottom line. No one made anything harder. It is way easier. #NOMORENERFS

Essiaga · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

ffs it is a must have in pve, i can't grind vigor with every stamina character i have ....

It has been moved to be made easier to get already.

You CAN grind vigor with every stamina character. You just don't want too. Which I understand. Undaunted 9 is hell for me.

Seriously if you go repair wall and join a zerg or 2 you're good. It really isn't that hard. Last toon I unlocked it on was like 3 hrs tops, during off peak times.

The_Duke · October 2016

Another PVe care bear complaining because PVP isn't a Yawn faseroll fest like PVe.

I know its tough to have to actually think while in the heat of battle rather than remember a sequence of predictable mechanics.

I made a stamplar with the halloween event EXP bonus, walked him into cyrodiil in rag tag gear and got Vigor in 3 hours.

People need to spend less time complaining on the forums and more time in Cyrodiil trying to get Vigor

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

PVPers demand that the game be ballanced for their activity, refuse to concieve that skills vital to PVE be easily obtainable, and *** about how they need to get something in return.

Lets be honest here. The less people who are grinding for Vigor the less people that are clogging up your campaigns. We dont wanna be there anymore than you want us there. Zeni, either make a PVE substitute for Vigor, possibly in the undaunted line, or just bite the bullet and make it easy to get. Please.

strikeback1247 · October 2016

Holy mother of [snip] I was hoping that these threads would have died out. Getting vigor is so easy it's ridiculous.

code65536 · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

The less people who are grinding for Vigor the less people that are clogging up your campaigns.

For what, a few hours? I doubt people would even notice the difference. I'm mostly a PvE player and not good at PvP, and I still got Vigor in about 1-2 hours. They've already nerfed the requirements by 98.6% from the original; what more do you want?

Astanphaeus · October 2016

The absolute worst players I have seen take about 9 hours to get it. Compare to the amount of time spent getting things like Dawnbreaker, meteor, soul assault, appropriate equipment (monster helms), etc..., you have the easy side.

vamp_emily · October 2016

honestly, I don't see any issue allowing vigor available as soon as they enter Cyrodill. You show up, get a skill point and then get your vigor, then leave. It is not going to affect how I play. But even if that happened, OP more than likely will cry about something else.

There are some issues with this game , but geez stop complaining about the little things. I have 5 characters that have not got any skyshards out side of PvP and I have characters that still have not leveled the guild skill lines. If I could, I would give you vigor if you got my skyshards for me. I'm grinding CP right now, do I really want to ? No, but I sure am not going to complain how long it takes to get max CP.

kadar · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

I took my rank 2 Nightblade to go fishing. Accidentally ran into a fight at the bleakers/chalman milegate and now I'm rank 5.

Yeah, I think Vigor is ok where it is now.

Pretty much this. I accidentally get Vigor on every single character...

A guildy told me last night that he had made 180k AP yesterday. That's almost enough to get Vigor twice.

thankyourat · October 2016

There's grinding in a MMO? You don't say

The_Duke · October 2016

Astanphaeus wrote: »

The absolute worst players I have seen take about 9 hours to get it. Compare to the amount of time spent getting things like Dawnbreaker, meteor, soul assault, appropriate equipment (monster helms), etc..., you have the easy side.

Exactly. I just spent over 2 days grinding out 5 pieces of Silks of the Sun and I still don't have all the jewelry in purple or impen on the gloves or waist. I Settled for sturdy and Infused and I will have to continue the RNG roller coaster in order to one day get the traits I need. Im not complaining, gear grinding is a part of MMOs just as much as skill grinding is.

kadar · October 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

You can sit down and in on evening session get your precious vigor you entitled cry baby

Some forum members are on true form.

I have stopped playing one stam character because I can't face the PVP grind as the build requires vigor. I don't mean to be a crybaby but I am in a similar position to the OP AND there is a difference between undaunted mettle minor bonus and the necessity of vigor.

I play ESO late at night and Cyrodil is dead, there are no pug groups running, so the only way to get AP is to try and guess where small groups of opposing factions may strike next or go and repair walls in the few keeps my faction has left. I can categorically state that I cannot get vigor in one evening, or even in 10 evenings. What I get is an unpleasant waste of gaming time.

No doubt my problems include the time that I play, not being part of a guild and being embarrassingly bad at PVP. They are my problems.

Is it a problem for anyone else if there was an easier way to get vigor? it seems like the objections are that it is unfair on PVP players who want PVE skills to be easier to get, but that is not the topic under discussion.

@Jim_Pipp
The problem with making Vigor easier to get, is that it's a powerful skill. Things that are desirable, like Vigor or Maelstrom weapons, should require some effort and time invested to achieve. This is basic gaming principle. No one will get good responses when the ask to receive the most powerful rewards in the game with little to no effort. Especially when others have already worked hard for said rewards.

Also, it's not true that Vigor is a necessity for either PVE or PVP content. There's a plethora of skills/abilities that Stamina builds have access to for healing/mitigation that more than suffice w/o Vigor. Rally, Blood Craze, Rapid Strikes (morph), Draining shot, Lacerate, Dragonblood, Critical Surge, potions, any DK Ult, Soul Tether, Rememberance, Repentance. Each of those skills provides healing for Stamina builds (and that's off the top of my head). Add mitigation skills on top of that and the need for Vigor decreases again.